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Sprint Premium Data add-on

Here is my conversation regarding the Sprint Premium Data add-on (i.e. Awesome phone, surcharge.):
James: Hi! I'm a live Sprint product specialist. Are there any questions I may help answer for you today?
You: yes
James: What questions can I answer for you?
You: I currently have the everything data family plan with 1500 minutes. If I upgrade to the EVO do I need to change my plan?
James: I would be happy to check if you will have to change your plan with the HTC EVO.
James: Let's move this chat and make it a window of its own. That way, you'll still see this web page while we chat. Please click 'Yes' to move it now.
James: Thank you for moving the chat.
James: The HTC Evo will not require you to change your plan but it will require the Premium Data add-on.
James: A $10 Premium Data add-on will apply allowing customers to take advantage of all that HTC EVO 4G can do.
You: like what for example?
James: This device provides a premium experience like no other and is truly second-to-none. Customers will enjoy unlimited 3G or 4G data with EVO!
You: is 4g service offered in NJ?
James: May I please have your zip code to verify that for you?
You: 08721 and 07724
James: May I please have your zip code so I can check what Mobile Broadband Plans are available in you area?.
James: I'm sorry, about that.
James: Thanks, would you mind holding while I check?
You: sure
James: I'm sorry, unfortunately we do not offer 4G in your area.
You: when do you plan to offer 4g in my area?
James: In 2010, Sprint expects to launch service in multiple markets; however, specific cities have not been announced.
You: so what is the $10 charge for then?
James: Think of this charge as the price for paying for a first-class seat on an airplane. The rich data experience that comes with EVO ownership puts users in a class by themselves.
James: With a 4.3” screen, Advanced Processor and an 8MP camcorder/camera; these features provide capabilities that were previously never available on a wireless device.
You: but that's what the phone does not the service. what does the service provide for that $10?
James: Because we've boosted your data experience with this phone's amazing services and features, you'll need the $10 Premium Data add-on.
This was like trying to nail jello to the wall. As much as I want this phone I don't know if I can justify an extra $10 on top of what I pay for the everything data family plan and an aircard.

logosolos said:
This was like trying to nail jello to the wall. As much as I want this phone I don't know if I can justify an extra $10 on top of what I pay for the everything data family plan and an aircard.
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wifi tether and eliminate a bill, or simply just compare to at&t/verizon prices. still can't beat them.... we sprint customers are spoiled and fail to look at the rest of the cell companies out there

looneylu said:
wifi tether and eliminate a bill, or simply just compare to at&t/verizon prices. still can't beat them.... we sprint customers are spoiled and fail to look at the rest of the cell companies out there
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I concur. We'll see what website activation does for my plan... or if it'll not let me because it's an Evo.

wifi tether and eliminate a bill, or simply just compare to at&t/verizon prices. still can't beat them.... we sprint customers are spoiled and fail to look at the rest of the cell companies out there
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I would just tether except for the fact that I'm locked in a two-year contract with my aircard. I could compare it to at&t and verizon but that's a fallacious argument. I think where my frustration comes in is the fact that they're charging me for 4G service with only a vague promise that I'll get it. But I think what really bothers me is the fact that it just seems dishonest.
I would gladly pay for the 4G service separately if they offered it in my area but I don't see why I have to subsidize other peoples' service.

I feel like everyone who says "Yes" is in a 4G market and everyone who says "No" isn't.

wastingoctober said:
I feel like everyone who says "Yes" is in a 4G market and everyone who says "No" isn't.
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LOL Yeah I guess that kinda makes sense.

i work for sprint and im iffy about the situation im like 50/50 on it does it suck yea but if thats what i have to pay to get unlimited data and for sprint not to **** everyone like at&t then yea **** it why not

I'm not in a 4g market but 10$ is nothing compared to the useless things I spend ten bucks on every day
It really don't matter to me. Don't let 10$ stop you. From this phone
P.S. the sprint online reps is just bots that are program with tags to answer your question if I say the same thing ill get the same answers from them.
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Doesn't it also remove the soft cap on 3g service?

I wasnt thrilled about the extra $10 charge (especially being we have TWO Evo's) and not being in a 4G area but at the end of the month, my bill is still $30 less than with VZW and now my wife has internet on her phone also.
Plus both our phones are rooted and wifi tethered so thats $30 less per phone I have to pay.

logosolos said:
I would just tether except for the fact that I'm locked in a two-year contract with my aircard. I could compare it to at&t and verizon but that's a fallacious argument. I think where my frustration comes in is the fact that they're charging me for 4G service with only a vague promise that I'll get it. But I think what really bothers me is the fact that it just seems dishonest.
I would gladly pay for the 4G service separately if they offered it in my area but I don't see why I have to subsidize other peoples' service.
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Ask Sprint to move the Aircard contract over to the $30 a month HotSpot tether. That way you can decrease you monthly expenditure by 1/2 and still get a good experience with it.

mrmomoman said:
Ask Sprint to move the Aircard contract over to the $30 a month HotSpot tether. That way you can decrease you monthly expenditure by 1/2 and still get a good experience with it.
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Perhaps I'll look into doing that. Thanks for the tip.

From what I understand, the $10 extra that you are paying is for truly unlimited data for both 3G and 4G. Otherwise there is a 5GB limit (supposedly) for 3G. I know of a couple of people who have gotten this phone who are going to dump their home wired internet service and just WiFi tether from their rooted phone.
With 2GB caps announced at AT&T and rumors of Verizon following suit, be glad you can get truly unlimited Internet. Just wait until the Netflix app comes out and you will start streaming HD through your phone and outputting it over micro HDMI to your big screen TV.
The possibilities of this phone is staggering.

ChrisDos said:
With 2GB caps announced at AT&T and rumors of Verizon following suit, be glad you can get truly unlimited Internet.
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exactly, but for how long? i'm content with paying $10/mo for unlimited data, but if sprint decides to start tiered pricing in a few months, i'll be upset.

I know... Sprint has always been good to me which is why I use them. Much better than AT&T or Verizon as far as their billing practices go and service. I had an AT&T rep at the mall tell me that they offer "unlimited data service up to 5GB." I then had to explain to him what unlimited meant.
Sprint also tried to downgrade my unlimited plan for my aircard when I upgraded to they're new WiMax device. They waved that carrot in front of my face for free and I took it, hook line and sinker. Then I called them up and went ballistic and they changed it back cause I've been with them a long time.

I was told and have posted this a couple times now, the $10 fee isnt for a service, thats right not a service, not $10 for 4g/3g/extra data we may, or may not use.... the $10 extra is, to put it simply, for the device(evo) and im not complaining(yet) I'd pay an extra 10 a month for it for a while without being to pissed off, but after this 1st year i may start complaining a little

$10 to lose the cap
I live in Atlanta in a 4g market. 4g does not quite make it in my house or anywhere at work unless I am standing next to the window.
I have downloaded 1.5GB over the past 3 days, over 3g only so I am happy to not have the 5gb cap.
My data averaged 6GB on my T-mo MyTouch3G, they allow up to 10GB so it was no problem there either.

gabemeyers said:
I was told and have posted this a couple times now, the $10 fee isnt for a service, thats right not a service, not $10 for 4g/3g/extra data we may, or may not use.... the $10 extra is, to put it simply, for the device(evo) and im not complaining(yet) I'd pay an extra 10 a month for it for a while without being to pissed off, but after this 1st year i may start complaining a little
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So the $10 monthly fee isn't even for the service it's for the phone itself... nice. Has that ever happened before in the history of phones?
I'm not renting or leasing it. I bought it. I am paying Sprint for the service. And now I'm paying them a monthly charge to use a good phone? No thanks. It looks like a slippery slope to me.
I think I'll stick with my Hero.

ChrisDos said:
With 2GB caps announced at AT&T and rumors of Verizon following suit, be glad you can get truly unlimited Internet. Just wait until the Netflix app comes out and you will start streaming HD through your phone and outputting it over micro HDMI to your big screen TV.
The possibilities of this phone is staggering.
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Your right. Most of the 4 major carriers are cracking down on they data. att and verizon will soon cut or charge more for data. att already took out unlimited data.
Be happy that sprint really stick to they word and give you "simply everything"

Yes Simply Everything but EVO unless you pay an extra 10 bucks.

Perhaps a legitimate reason for the $10/mo EVO fee

Just a thought I had today, but since the $10 fee did seem to come out of no where, but sometime after they said the 4G would be free at CITA, and since they haven't expressly said it was for the 4G data...
Perhaps, they knew the first batch of phones were going to have the screen problem, as well as other problems, but they found out after they had several thousand/hundred thousand made, thus knowing they were going to have to replace a hell of a lot of phones within a month or two and with this so-called "Prem Data Fee" they could regain some of the money for replacing all the early adopters phones.
I don't have the screen problem...yet, but I'm going to be exchanging mine because the speaker is half blown or something in the earpiece.
Any takers on the idea?

Doubt it, but it's definitely an excuse to pad their pockets a bit more, since Sprint has the lowest margins across all post-paid providers.

I was thinking more along the lines of the stupid amount of data we are going to be using on these phones with 4g. on 3g alone i've used 350mb in 3 1/2 days (i love it) Honestly this 3g is really fast, faster than verizon and t-mobile thus far (speed test prove it). I get better signal is area that my verizon phone does, but that might because its a storm 2 ()

Interesting theory, but I think it's a bit far fetched. I truly think the $10 is for unrestricted data usage, which I am thoroughly enjoying.

I for one hope they plan to use the extra money to strengthen and expand the 4G coverage.

It is a little bit far-fetched, but you never know. Last minuet stuff always happens and companies might make drastic measures to compensate themselves.
It was just a thought, especially since they've never actually said the fee was for the data, it's for the phone experience, which directly links it to the phone, if you go by what they say the fee is for.

why is everybody obsessed with this fee
the reason the fee exists is because the market will bear it.
whether that makes you happy or sad is on you

strung said:
the reason the fee exists is because the market will bear it.
whether that makes you happy or sad is on you
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Strung you are boosting the IQ of the forum with answers like these
Lord knows we need all the help we can get since I'm on here bringing us down

Probably the same ideology as to why AT&T ditched the unlimited data plan right before or when the iPhone 4 was announced.
Sprint needs customers and since the EVO is going to be one major source of income and/or data usage...they probably decided to implement a fee for unlimited 3G/4G data usage while keeping the unlimited plan available. When you think of Sprint, you immediately think "SIMPLY UNLIMITED EVERYTHING!"
What I say or think really doesn't matter...the $10 fee is mandatory so there is no use in trying to fight it or be sneaky about trying to get out of paying it.

I am glad I have this fee and no soft cap. I have used 1GB+ in the last 6 days. I get to laugh at ATTs new customers about their 2GB cap hahahaha.

engagedtosmile said:
I am glad I have this fee and no soft cap. I have used 1GB+ in the last 6 days. I get to laugh at ATTs new customers about their 2GB cap hahahaha.
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But why? According to AT&T, a majority of its customers wouldn't even come close to the 2GB cap and do not need unlimited data

I was always under the assumption for the charge that you can hook the evo up to any computer via usb and use it for internet access.

eck0728 said:
I was thinking more along the lines of the stupid amount of data we are going to be using on these phones with 4g. on 3g alone i've used 350mb in 3 1/2 days (i love it)...QUOTE]
That's exactly what Dan Hesse said the fee was for.
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Well, just an update...
The Sprint store said that my speaker was wacko for sure, and when I checked the other two phones we have tonight, both of their screens are raising up. What find strange is, mine got 10x the usage over the last week than the other two did and mine doesn't have the screen problem...yet.
Anyhow, I guess Sprint will be sending us 3 new phones.

i am rooted using wifi tether and i dont feel the least bit bad for it.. they are going to screw me for an extra 10 bucs a month im going to get my monies worth..... take that sprint.

I plan on returning my Evo tomorrow. I don't care how much data you use, they shouldn't offer a unlimited data plan if they don't like you using unlimited data. I have filed a complaint through the FCC and encourage everyone here to do so as well. This is deceptive advertising, and an unlawful fee. The name of the fee is "premium data plan" but other than the 6 people that live in a 4g network, it is a "right to own the Evo fee". You DON'T have to pay it, you SHOULDN'T be paying it. I am never passionate about anything ever, but this one really puts me over the edge. http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm.

Thank goodness I don't pay it... well not really. 10$ off from the IO conference.

bigough13 said:
I plan on returning my Evo tomorrow. I don't care how much data you use, they shouldn't offer a unlimited data plan if they don't like you using unlimited data. I have filed a complaint through the FCC and encourage everyone here to do so as well. This is deceptive advertising, and an unlawful fee. The name of the fee is "premium data plan" but other than the 6 people that live in a 4g network, it is a "right to own the Evo fee". You DON'T have to pay it, you SHOULDN'T be paying it. I am never passionate about anything ever, but this one really puts me over the edge. http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm.
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Why did you buy a 4g phone if you don't live in a 4g area?

rutter9 said:
Why did you buy a 4g phone if you don't live in a 4g area?
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I got the phone for the hardware, and android. I want to go to T-Mobile for the HD2, but it lacks the 8mp camera, no WiFi tether, and WinMo, yuck. I understand the fee in 4g areas, but they can't justify the fee for any other area. Call/email them, they sound like idiots trying to explain why we're being charged $10. "Rich data experience" (3g network?), "1ghz processor", "YouTube hd", "android operating system" are all the reasons I have gotten. I can provide email proof. The fee is a scam, not premium data.

Verizon Data Caps

I know this isn't exactly phone specific, but I have been reading a bit about impending data caps for Verizon's network. I have been enjoying my Wifi-Tether a lot lately without worrying about paying an absolute ridiculous amount for it. I have read in the past that a change in service allows you the opportunity to get out of your contract. Does anyone know if this is true or will apply if data caps are implemented?
Engadget Article
engadget.com/2010/07/20/verizon-switching-to-atandt-style-limited-data-plans-later-this-mo/
*Sorry I cant post links as of yet*

grimez said:
I know this isn't exactly phone specific, but I have been reading a bit about impending data caps for Verizon's network. I have been enjoying my Wifi-Tether a lot lately without worrying about paying an absolute ridiculous amount for it. I have read in the past that a change in service allows you the opportunity to get out of your contract. Does anyone know if this is true or will apply if data caps are implemented?
Engadget Article
engadget.com/2010/07/20/verizon-switching-to-atandt-style-limited-data-plans-later-this-mo/
*Sorry I cant post links as of yet*
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If the data caps/tiers happen, this is what will happen.
1) Current users who have the unlimited plan will keep it. You might lose it if you change phones, but if you don't change your plan, then you can probably keep unlimited, but I think if you make any changes to your plan, like number of minutes, texts, etc, you will lose the unlimited data.
2) New customers will have to get tiered plans.
If they forced current unlimited plan holders to change to tier plans, you would be able to get out of your contract ETF free. So to prevent this they will not do this if you have unlimited now. Many people would go to other networks besides ATT and Verizon where they can get unlimited data or cheaper rates.

Sure but you would most likely be grandfathered in, which means that it wouldn't matter. It also means you wouldn't be able to cancel without an etf.
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TNS201 said:
1) Current users who have the unlimited plan will keep it. You might lose it if you change phones, but if you don't change your plan, then you can probably keep unlimited, but I think if you make any changes to your plan, like number of minutes, texts, etc, you will lose the unlimited data.
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I have a family plan right now with 1400 minutes. On my next billing cycle I lowered the plan to 700 minutes (effective August 3rd). So what your saying is if they implement the new data plans before my next billing cycle I will lose unlimited data? Can anyone confirm this?

djkms said:
I have a family plan right now with 1400 minutes. On my next billing cycle I lowered the plan to 700 minutes (effective August 3rd). So what your saying is if they implement the new data plans before my next billing cycle I will lose unlimited data? Can anyone confirm this?
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I don't think you should be worried. This tiered data plan isn't even confirmed by verizon yet. Nobody really has solid information on what could happen.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but because you signed a contract previous to when this happened..you will have available all options that you signed at the time-including minutes, txt, etc. The changed plan does not go into effect until you resign your contract.
This kind of thing happened when they forced everyone to choose either a 9.99 internet plan for dumbphones and 29.99 internet for smartphones regardless of they wanted internet or not. Those who had current contracts at the time were not affected. I guess I will just buy phones at off contract prices when my time is up so I can avoid signing a capped contract.

My guess is, after your current contract expires you will be forced into a tiered data plan, even if you are paying month to month with no changes.

When I switched my family from Sprint to Verizon, no internet fee was required for any of the phones (in fact, I had to ASK for unlimited data or else my Incredible wouldn't have had it). I don't know if I lucked out or not, but this was done by a manager and I certain hope said manager continues to work there and save me money =p.

grimez said:
My guess is, after your current contract expires you will be forced into a tiered data plan, even if you are paying month to month with no changes.
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Problem is that Verizon's previous actions in cases such as this contradict that assumption. It is far more probable that the tiered data will only come into play when a new contract is signed- such as what transpired with 3G "multimedia" phones.

DeeBG said:
When I switched my family from Sprint to Verizon, no internet fee was required for any of the phones (in fact, I had to ASK for unlimited data or else my Incredible wouldn't have had it). I don't know if I lucked out or not, but this was done by a manager and I certain hope said manager continues to work there and save me money =p.
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That's interesting because all the smartphones now require unlimited data plan. Maybe it was assumed for your contract? That would have been odd for you to get no data plan lol

djkms said:
I have a family plan right now with 1400 minutes. On my next billing cycle I lowered the plan to 700 minutes (effective August 3rd). So what your saying is if they implement the new data plans before my next billing cycle I will lose unlimited data? Can anyone confirm this?
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No because you already agreed to the contract before hand. When you changed your plan minutes, you agreed to everything that was within that agreement at that time. They cannot change it now.

I don't think minor changes within your plan (even phone upgrades) will constitute losing your unlimited given we are grandfathered in...
For example...my mom had a $14.99/450-minute plan probably...12 years or so ago...she didn't lose it until about 2007 when she upgraded to a family share plan to add my dad and sister. During that time she had upgraded her phone a few times and added a text package without losing her base minute package.
I think we'll be ok....but I have my fingers crossed :-\
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Damnnnnnn. I was twelve then...i thought there was only beepers then...haha
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Damnnnnnn. I was twelve then...i thought there was only beepers then...haha
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Haha I remember it being some POS AudioVox with tiny little useless calculator-like screen and big antenna
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alexdw369 said:
I don't think minor changes within your plan (even phone upgrades) will constitute losing your unlimited given we are grandfathered in...
For example...my mom had a $14.99/450-minute plan probably...12 years or so ago...she didn't lose it until about 2007 when she upgraded to a family share plan to add my dad and sister. During that time she had upgraded her phone a few times and added a text package without losing her base minute package.
I think we'll be ok....but I have my fingers crossed :-\
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The only reason you would lose the unlimited plan is if you removed the phone from that line and activated it on another, it's a grandfathered feature that runs independent of the calling plan. Meaning if you change the base rate you can continue on unlimited data. And yes, I work for Verizon

Even the current "unlimited" is truly not unlimited. I do believe there is a 5gb cap but you have to cross it a couple of months in a row before you hear about it.
All carriers are going to tiered models and for the average user it will save them money. I forget which carrier released the information but the average smartphone users only uses like 200mb a month. So for these users their rates may go down if they picked up a 200mb or 500mb plan. The power users will stick with the same thing they have but the cap will be official now.
So in short from what I have read really not much of a change from the current unless you are looking for a cheaper plan because of your usage.

this should clear up some stuff for now.. it looks like we are good..atleast till LTE comes out!
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/verizon-wireless-no-big-rush-to-tiered-data-plans-for-now/37147

kyle1745 said:
Even the current "unlimited" is truly not unlimited. I do believe there is a 5gb cap but you have to cross it a couple of months in a row before you hear about it.
All carriers are going to tiered models and for the average user it will save them money. I forget which carrier released the information but the average smartphone users only uses like 200mb a month. So for these users their rates may go down if they picked up a 200mb or 500mb plan. The power users will stick with the same thing they have but the cap will be official now.
So in short from what I have read really not much of a change from the current unless you are looking for a cheaper plan because of your usage.
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It is a 5gb cap, but they wont pursue bothering you unless they can tell you are tethering. If you legitly use that much on your phone, you have nothing to worry about.

The only thing changing right now is the hotspot and mbb connect plans to the 2 gbfor 20.00 the smartphone plans Stays unlimited . Nothing has been mentioned on going tiered smartphone a la iPhone .

DeeBG said:
When I switched my family from Sprint to Verizon, no internet fee was required for any of the phones (in fact, I had to ASK for unlimited data or else my Incredible wouldn't have had it). I don't know if I lucked out or not, but this was done by a manager and I certain hope said manager continues to work there and save me money =p.
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trust me it would have been on your bill and it wouldn't have been the cheap version... I tried to get my omnia with no data because I could just block internet connection on my motorola Q and not have any charges but they do no allow this anymore with the new smartphones
but eventhough I figured out a way to order it online without having to agree to a data plan the bill showed up with a 52/mo charge for corporate unlimited data... I called them and they said oh our mistake we should have charged you for the 30/mo... they just tried to pull a fast 12 bucks off of me but I actually read my bill

Another one bites the dust....

I have a feeling......
Though, this is definitely a much better route to follow then simply capping the data for these fools that want to test how "unlimited" unlimited really is... idiots.
http://www.talkandroid.com/17660-t-...ing-data-usage-over-5gb-beginning-october-16/

Even when i tethered extensively during my summer vacation this year, i still came nowhere NEAR 5gb. i think i maxed out at 3gb. 5 seems reasonable. I like that a lot better then a 100mb etc cap.

SilverStone641 said:
Even when i tethered extensively during my summer vacation this year, i still came nowhere NEAR 5gb. i think i maxed out at 3gb. 5 seems reasonable. I like that a lot better then a 100mb etc cap.
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For those of us with "premium data", I think 5GB is too low. I'm NOT looking for a "stupid fee" argument, nor am I complaining about it. I think of it like animal farm. We are just more equal than others.

I can reach over 5gb without any tethering. I just can't wait until other companies put out their prices for 4g so people can stop complaining about the $10, but still cheaper than every other company, charge. Verizon is supposed to be releasing that soon
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Any limit or throttling is BS imo, Unlimited should be unlimited, no matter ones usage. They said unlimited first, they should have never done that.
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not limited; unrestricted; unconfined
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boundless; infinite; vast
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without any qualification or exception; unconditional

TREmp77 said:
Any limit or throttling is BS imo, Unlimited should be unlimited, no matter ones usage. They said unlimited first, they should have never done that.
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boundless; infinite; vast
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Problem is unlimited cost money and customers abuse.
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DirtyShroomz said:
Problem is unlimited cost money and customers abuse.
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If its unlimited how can it be abused? That's like tell a person at a buffet you have a two plate limit
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If its unlimited how can it be abused? That's like tell a person at a buffet you have a two plate limit
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DirtyShroomz does not understand this concept at ALL.
He thinks that it "costs money" when yes - it "costs money" but the reality of the situation is corporations want to make more money off the smart phone craze. You don't "buy" kilobytes and megabytes when companies like Sprint have their own ISP backbone. Essentially, it does not cost them anymore to have customers use the supplies they are providing - they just want to charge extra.
You're right - unlimited means unlimited.

Maybe Sprint will stay Unlimited and will get more customers from ticked off customers of the other companies. I would like to see Sprint become more embracing of Android and data users. Now if we could get Sprint to unlock Bluetooth transfers to other phones. In the 6 years I've been with them I have not once ever gotten Bluetooth to work with another phone.

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If its unlimited how can it be abused? That's like tell a person at a buffet you have a two plate limit
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This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.

DirtyShroomz said:
This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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The phone companies are the backbone of the internet. Sure they are not the only ones but there is a very good chance they are the ones who are getting paid when you use your local cable companies internet.
Of course they could always argue that bandwidth used by you is bandwidth that is not being sold to someone else, it just depends on which route is more profitable for them.

With these Changes Tmo is going to impose
would it be wrong for me to state we can use this to cancel our contract with a waived fee due to change in contract terms that weight against my current situation?
If so I need to cancel this line asap...

Sure, SOME people may "Abuse" the unlimited cap, but let's think about this....
If there are 100,000 subscribers paying $10 a month extra for the "Unlimited" usage, that's $1,000,000 that Sprint is taking in.
If 5,000 of those people use DOUBLE the 5Gb that Sprint thinks is "acceptable usage", and the other 95,000 use under the 5Gb per month, Sprint is STILL making a HUGE profit.
obviously, these are figurative numbers, as I have no idea how many people have Evo's and Epics being charged the $10 "Premium Fee".

DirtyShroomz said:
This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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You blew my analogy out of proportion, first of all, i never been to a all you can eat buffet and expect to be able to eat unlimited food forever, but i know, i was never told, we are going to cap your plate limit at 7 plates, and if you eat over that you will get thrown out, I paid for my set fee to give me access to the buffet, I expect to eat until im full. Not until the restaurant thinks im full.

Maybe they should just up the unlimited price to a higher amount. I myself wish I could pay a little bit less since I apparently never use even a gig. So sprint how about making tier plans for this. Thats the entire problem with unlimited usage plans, regular users pay the same amount as the heavy users. Oh well no need to worry people who complain about all these extra $10 for 4G premium still need to realize that as of right now Sprint does have one of the cheapest best overall value for what you are paying no?

DirtyShroomz said:
I can reach over 5gb without any tethering. I just can't wait until other companies put out their prices for 4g so people can stop complaining about the $10, but still cheaper than every other company, charge. Verizon is supposed to be releasing that soon
Sent from my Evo beeesshh
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I'm with you man, even with the $10 fee my plan is still at least $40 cheaper than anything comparable from AT&T, Verizon, or TMo. Factor in my 23% discount and there's no question.

notasimpleway said:
Maybe Sprint will stay Unlimited and will get more customers from ticked off customers of the other companies. I would like to see Sprint become more embracing of Android and data users. Now if we could get Sprint to unlock Bluetooth transfers to other phones. In the 6 years I've been with them I have not once ever gotten Bluetooth to work with another phone.
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Since when are Bluetooth transfers locked? In fact just yesterday I transferred a file from one EVO to another using bluetooth. I've done it many times between EVOs, between evo and blackberry, and between evo and palm devices with no problems.

JUST2SUAVE said:
You blew my analogy out of proportion, first of all, i never been to a all you can eat buffet and expect to be able to eat unlimited food forever, but i know, i was never told, we are going to cap your plate limit at 7 plates, and if you eat over that you will get thrown out, I paid for my set fee to give me access to the buffet, I expect to eat until im full. Not until the restaurant thinks im full.
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The issue is when people say stuff like this;
TREmp77 said:
Any limit or throttling is BS imo, Unlimited should be unlimited, no matter ones usage. They said unlimited first, they should have never done that.
Unlimited
–adjective
1.
not limited; unrestricted; unconfined
2.
boundless; infinite; vast
3.
without any qualification or exception; unconditional
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without understanding what the issue is. Here’s the deal - the data is unlimited. As in absolutely and truly unlimited. This has nothing to do with the $10 fee either – the data is unlimited because of the Everything Data plans that the EVO requires. However, that data is only unlimited when you abide by the terms and conditions of the contract that you entered into when you started service. Among other things, this means that you get unlimited data as long as you’re on network, and if tethering, you’re paying the $29.99 fee for the hotspot feature. The term abuse comes into play because of all of the people who rooted to get free thethering, and use that to the extreme, either as their home internet, or just simply to see how much they can actually download in a month (as in 50-100+ GB/month). To go back to your analogy, all you can eat buffets are “all you can eat” as long as you follow the terms of the buffet – meaning you have to eat within the restaurant. They won’t allow you to back your truck up and load it with food from the buffet to take home.
And hey! Welcome back werx! I was wondering when you’d show up and start pointlessly calling people out again.
edit - and as a reminder, nobody has ever indicated that they were taking your unlimited data away. If the rates for unlimited data do change, or they decide to do away with it completely, that would apply to new customers sighning new contracts.

DirtyShroomz said:
This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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Companies want to make more money on overages. As these phones get more advanced you'll see more people using more data.
With faster speeds you're promoting more data traffic.
Sent while sitting on the toilet.

Hey guys,
I work for sprint and from what i was told by our Sales Support people there is no cap on the evo or epic for data.

Verizon WILL NOT end unlimited data..sorta

If a mod feels like they need to move this its fine. But I figured I would make a new thread since we have a bunch of threads already about the end of unlimited data.
After I called verizon and spoke to a CSR, and after they got more information about what is going on basically once the "data share" plans are launched regardless of you being on a single line or family share plan with unlimited data if you upgrade your phone after the "data share" plans are launched and you upgrade your phone you will HAVE to choose a capped data plan.
But if you can afford to pay full price for your upgrade (or trade for a new phone in the marketplace on xda) you WILL NOT lose your unlimited data.
Basically its a fight from verizon from them losing money on subsidies they have to pay to smartphone companies. And it will stop the people who use 20gbs+ a month and stress the towers.
Heres a link that explains it;
http://www.mobileburn.com/19622/new...pcoming-policy-change-on-unlimited-data-plans

ronartest2005 said:
Basically its a fight from verizon from them losing money on subsidies they have to pay to smartphone companies.
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This is BS. Data usage has nothing to do with subsidising smart phones. Even when their plan goes into effect you would have to be brain dead to pay an extra $500 every two years on top of your rate plan for the privilege of getting unlimited data.
ronartest2005 said:
And it will stop the people who use 20gbs+ a month and stress the towers.
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This is BS. People on unlimited plans do NOT on average use more data than people on other plans. That is total nonsense and has been debunked numerous times. Is there the odd person who does use 20 gigs/month? Yeah sure. Is that why the network is stressed? No. There are simply not enough of those people out there to "stress" the network.

sitizenx said:
This is BS. Data usage has nothing to do with subsidising smart phones. Even when their plan goes into effect you would have to be brain dead to pay an extra $500 every two years on top of your rate plan for the privilege of getting unlimited data.
This is BS. People on unlimited plans do NOT on average use more data than people on other plans. That is total nonsense and has been debunked numerous times. Is there the odd person who does use 20 gigs/month? Yeah sure. Is that why the network is stressed? No. There are simply not enough of those people out there to "stress" the network.
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I completely agree with you on both points, It's just verizons way of being able to keep a thumb on data users, and to get more money from them.
And as far as the towers go, I agree with you 100%. I seem to remember when the whole "4g coverage" thing first hit the news the big thing behind it was that you could have as many people as you wanted on a tower and it wouldn't bog down the tower enough to where it made your mobile data experience un-usable because of low speeds.
But this is just verizons way of making more money. Hell read about what they've been doing...ALL of their CEO's have gotten HUGE raises/bonuses. All while they have been shipping jobs to india, and raising prices on us.
It sucks because verizon has been the best service provider I have ever had. But if things get much worse I could end up just going with a trac phone. And using my ipod touch on wifi.
I am 29 years old and I made it 26 years of my life without mobile data, so it would be an adjustment. But I would be fine after a week.

ronartest2005 said:
I completely agree with you on both points, It's just verizons way of being able to keep a thumb on data users, and to get more money from them.
And as far as the towers go, I agree with you 100%. I seem to remember when the whole "4g coverage" thing first hit the news the big thing behind it was that you could have as many people as you wanted on a tower and it wouldn't bog down the tower enough to where it made your mobile data experience un-usable because of low speeds.
But this is just verizons way of making more money. Hell read about what they've been doing...ALL of their CEO's have gotten HUGE raises/bonuses. All while they have been shipping jobs to india, and raising prices on us.
It sucks because verizon has been the best service provider I have ever had. But if things get much worse I could end up just going with a trac phone. And using my ipod touch on wifi.
I am 29 years old and I made it 26 years of my life without mobile data, so it would be an adjustment. But I would be fine after a week.
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The problem is Verizon and at&t's stories sound so believable. I was shocked when I saw the report that unlimited users do not use on average more data. They just want to get people on fix rate plans so they can ding them a few times a year for $10 overage fees. Most of the time I don't see myself going over 3gb. But the unlimited plan on at&t costs the same as the 3gb plan for me. So why not go with unlimited?
Actually at&t's greed is what is causing them problems. First of all it forced everyone with smartphones to get a data plan. Now it's complaining because people are using data. at&t also stopped offering unlimited plans to non grandfathered people. at&t only offers two "cheap" plans. One is $20 for 300mb which is a total joke and then there is the $30 for 3gb plan. That's it. And if you go over on the 300mb plan they tack on an extra $20 to your bill! And you only get 300mb more. So they are basically trying to get everyone on the 3gb plan. Well there would be a lot of people that would be satisfied with a 1gb plan but guess what? They don't have it. So people get the 3gb plan. And now that they are paying for it they use it. Then at&t cries about data usage.