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I was expecting Sense development to dwindle to nothing over the next year, with WM 7 on the horizon.
But with WM7 looking increasingly poo (from today's announcements: no removable storage card, no customisations, limited copy/paste, no file manager, DRM all over, and generally all the problems the iphone had 4 years afo), I'm hoping we may see a decent after-life from 6.5.
Not that I like 6.5: It's customisable, a sound operating system, and an open-platform, but it's also clunky and ugly as hell.
But I'm hoping we may now see Sense continue to evolve (new Facebook tab etc), when before I was expecting it to come to a halt, minus the odd patch here and there.
Anyways, I love Sense. It masks 6.5 very well and is a great interface for a mobile phone. Here's hoping it will become more extensible and feature-filled in the future.
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do you think HTC will continue to develop Sense?
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Yup, for Android.
Hello, Desire.
Hi,
To be honest, from what I've seen of Windows Phone Series 7 I'd rather have Sense or a sense like interface on any operating system rather than use the "7" interface. HTC will continue to develop Sense, but will they be able to do so for "7"? Potentially they may be allowed to create a portal to Sense within the "7" Interface scheme (sorry, I can't remember what you call each of the tabs on "7", I found it too boring to remember when watching the various MWC videos. I wasn't "Super Excited" )but you probably wouldn't be able to have the phone boot up into that as a default interface for the full phone and you might not be able to use sense for certain functions (messaging dialer etc.). This is all speculation on my part of course).
HTC introduced a new version of Sense on Android at Mobile World Congress and stated that existing Sense users on Android will get a free upgrade. I expect HTC to keep developing it.
With a gtood enough interface, connectivity, function and features I really shoudn't care what the underlying operating system is.
My honest opinion.
Althougg i like the look of wp7s i think its not efficent in the sense you need to do too much scrolling to navigate. The best use of speedy navigation is icons in a grid format so you see more links per page and less scrolling. like the iphone. btw i love my hd2 and never owned an iphone.
I'm definitely choose "Sense" rather than "I-**** like WM7"...
Seems Android is the way to go..
I was pretty excited seeing the live launch thing. It looked pretty cool, fresh, original UI if you will. Right now I'm actually thinking about sticking with 6.5. That OS can do almost anything when compared to that non-multitasking protected and closed off bunch of tiles... I don't know right now, I'll need it on my device at least once.
That being said I'm too starting to hope on further development of Sense. As said above, it's a really great and fast UI to use and looks good too. And you can customize it, 'make it yours', right?
Grtz
Lukas
well
I agree. with what I have see and heard I am not interested in WM7. If 6.5X still gets developed I will stay otherwise I will move to Android.
However until WM7 is actually released I will sit on the fence. As previously seen a lot of facts seem to be unproven in the long run.
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Althougg i like the look of wp7s i think its not efficent in the sense you need to do too much scrolling to navigate. The best use of speedy navigation is icons in a grid format so you see more links per page and less scrolling. like the iphone. btw i love my hd2 and never owned an iphone.
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The title fonts are huge and it other font sizes could be smaller. I know that WP7s wants WVGA initially.. but all the screen I've seen seem to make me think they didn't use the space efficiently. It seems more like they designed it for HVGA.
I doubt HTC will continue Sense for WM considering WM7 you CANNOT have Sense UI at all so why even bother..
I also think HTC is moving more towards Android now..
I myself have been tempted to move to Andriod but i've been a WinMo user since dunno when and have gotten soooo used to it i can't imaging moving to a new OS altogether and i love the HD2...no way i'm going to have WinMo7 in it even if it does get supported..
No WVGA, No Cut & Paste, No File explorer, No Sense UI, no Flash, No installs from cab files, not backward compatible...with more to come each day...Why would i even want to use Winmo7? It sounds sooo primitive.
Who knows after the HD2, I just might move to Android, not because i want to but because ultimately i believe i have to...
You know, I used to be Apple sheep, and only recently (1 year) I started using windows and dabbled here and there on Linux, and realized how much freedom you have on these devices and not being told what programs are cool to use and all that.
iPhone was cool because I didn't know any better.
Now that I've started to see just what windows/mobile has to offer, I feel like Neo, waking up in the tank from the Matrix.
And here's Windows Phone 7 Series. Microsoft killed the little resistance group and the only salvation they offer is to go back to the tank and back to the Matrix.
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And here's Windows Phone 7 Series. Microsoft killed the little resistance group and the only salvation they offer is to go back to the tank and back to the Matrix.
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It does seem like Microsoft is turning it's back on those loyal to Windows Mobile to appeal more to the iFashion brigade. I foresee this pushing a lot of us away from WPS7 towards Android.
xda developers site will be in the future just for android as wp7 is closed os ,and i will be android to get xda support
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xda developers site will be in the future just for android as wp7 is closed os ,and i will be android to get xda support
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Please stop telling BS.
Have a look at the little discussion about the WP7 emulator image, a lot of stuff in there is similar to WM6.5, so there's a lot of "openness" to hacks...
kilrah said:
Please stop telling BS.
Have a look at the little discussion about the WP7 emulator image, a lot of stuff in there is similar to WM6.5, so there's a lot of "openness" to hacks...
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iam wating
XDA is gonna pull through for us one way or another.
You have my word.
If HTC calls time on Sense for WM, I hope they will unlock some of the features so we can customise it (e.g. new/unlimited tabs)
Basically I just want something that'll last a day and won't just die quick like my G1. I really wanted to just skip out on the data plan and just get the 20$ unlimited text plan, but for some reason Blackberries REQUIRE the data plan and the cheaper spectrum just don't look as good.
So I'm stuck with Android, and well I just don't know what to decide. I love having a keyboard, so I was looking at the My Touch 3G slide, but then I saw the HTC HD2 which is pretty big, but just looks plain awesome.
The problem here is that it doesn't have a physical keyboard and I haven't really tried the on screen text alot, is it easy to use an on screen keyboard? I have a contract with T-Mobile so they'll give me that "2 years expired" discount.
I love having alot of apps (which I don't know if the HD2 has a dedicated app store to the scope of the android market), like taking high-res pictures (though it's not a MUST), I already have an iPod so music is set, but the battery life is also very important. I don't really care about size though.
The HD2 looks very awesome, but I don't know if I should just stick with an Android.
The on screen keyboard it nice and the best keyboard you can find on a non-apple device, as for the apps, Windows Mobile is lacking in that section, BUT, if you have a look in the Android Development thread for the HD2, you can have both WinMo and Android 2.2 FroYo running on the great phone that is the HTC HD2.
EDIT: Also, I am using Android on my HD2 to reply to your post, and its greeeaaat!
Sent from my HTC HD2 running DarkStone HD2Froyo v1
Wow, really? That's awesome if it can run Android!!
If I install android, can I still install apps to the SD card and such? Is getting Android on the HD2 safe and easy?
I'm actually pretty scared, I jailbroke/routed my G1 but it took quite awhile for me to get it right.. If the HD2 can run Android nice and or near perfect I'm settling on the HD2.
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The on screen keyboard it nice and the best keyboard you can find on a non-apple device, as for the apps, Windows Mobile is lacking in that section, BUT, if you have a look in the Android Development thread for the HD2, you can have both WinMo and Android 2.2 FroYo running on the great phone that is the HTC HD2.
EDIT: Also, I am using Android on my HD2 to reply to your post, and its greeeaaat!
Sent from my HTC HD2 running DarkStone HD2Froyo v1
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I have a SERIOUS disagreement with your statement that WinMo is lacking in the apps department. There are literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of applications made for WinMo. Just because they are not on the Marketplace, doesn't mean that they aren't there.
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What kind of apps?
I had alot of fun messing around with soundboards, games, camera FX's, and other stuff like translators, shazam, and weird stuff. I just like having a variety of stuff available at disposal for some weird reason >_>
Also thanks for the replies guys, really appreciate it.
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I have a SERIOUS disagreement with your statement that WinMo is lacking in the apps department. There are literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of applications made for WinMo. Just because they are not on the Marketplace, doesn't mean that they aren't there.
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Ur right, there are hundreds of apps for WinMo, but android has thousands. and to the OP, Android runs completly off the SD card so all the apps are stored on the SD card as well as all the data and does not touch the HD2's NAND memory so you can dual boot WinMo 6.5 and Android 2.1/2.2.
It is easy to run Android on the HD2, jus put the files on the SD and run the two programs and ur set.
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I dunno. The OP really sounds like he's a android fan. I've got nothing against that. Windows Mobile is not meant for all people and at time users making the change from iphone or android can find it difficult to adjust to the HD2. The keyboard for the HD2 is not great. I would recommend that you stick with an android OS phone such as the Vibrant or whatever it's called. But if you do wish to get the HD2 I've got a sticky with how to flash your phone videos, link in m sig.
This is tough, I was planning to get the phone today but I decided I wasn't ready to make the choice yet.
They have this "get 2 smart phones for the price of 1" offer which is why the My Touch 3G was a big choice for me so my little brother could get his phone updated as well, but I'd have to cancel the line (since it's for NEW customers) and re-open and change my number which seems stupid.
This is a hard choice
Vibrant vs HD2. I'm still torn between the two since they are similar except one has a bigger screen but no native android, and one has native android but doesn't have a big screen in comparison. I'll be honest here, I love free apps but I don't know if you can root the Vibrant and manually install apps (Confirm or Deny).
Still though.. I'm a bit torn >_> Arghh, why do these phones have to be so damn sexy?
i've testing android roms on my hd2 for a few weeks and i still have this question:
WHY A WM USER WOULD WANT ANDROID ON HIS/HERS HD2?
1. generaly a wm user doesn't like iOS (iphone). and android is in so many ways similar to ios
2. i can't find something that android could do and wm couldn't
3. i can't see any difference in speed or smoothness between wm and android
4. i can agree that the amount of applications or games is definetely higher on android, but one can find basicaly anything he/she wants also for wm
so, please guys let me know why do you want android on yours hd2
thank you!
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i've testing android roms on my hd2 for a few weeks and i still have this question:
WHY A WM USER WOULD WANT ANDROID ON HIS/HERS HD2?
1. generaly a wm user doesn't like iOS (iphone). and android is in so many ways similar to ios
2. i can't find something that android could do and wm couldn't
3. i can't see any difference in speed or smoothness between wm and android
4. i can agree that the amount of applications or games is definetely higher on android, but one can find basicaly anything he/she wants also for wm
so, please guys let me know why do you want android on yours hd2
thank you!
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Well i asked this question myself a lot!
Even if i'm running on Android for 3 weeks now and i didn't use WM since than; it is still not easy in my opinion to answer it!
I've done it just for curiosity and for change!
All i can feel is that it's more stable and that is what i'm interested in a phone! I don't like freezes or crashes and as you said anyone can find whatever he wants in any OS... As for speed and smoothness yes they are really the same...
Thing is... since you can have both with no problems at all, why not have both?
You get the stability and efficiency of Windows Mobile for daily work, including Office Mobile and other features Android doesn't have, and then you have Android with its huge application pool for more "fun" uses.
Windows Mobile = professional tool.
Android = kid's toy
For now at least - Android is still way to instable and also, even worse, way too power hungry to be used professionally on a HD2. I need to be able to use my phone intensively all day long without having to recharge after a few hours because the battery gets drained big time.
Android is just better, even with some bugs.
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for me the mail app and the google sync is miles apart from the rubbish windows dishes up
I really don't like HTC Sense and I find WM 6.5 ugly, cumberson and very un user friendy
Added to the fact that the app store is miles better than Market place the apps and widgets are generally of a very high standard and most are free...
I will never go back to Windows mobile now, completely hooked on android ..
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noris08 said:
i've testing android roms on my hd2 for a few weeks and i still have this question:
WHY A WM USER WOULD WANT ANDROID ON HIS/HERS HD2?
1. generaly a wm user doesn't like iOS (iphone). and android is in so many ways similar to ios
2. i can't find something that android could do and wm couldn't
3. i can't see any difference in speed or smoothness between wm and android
4. i can agree that the amount of applications or games is definetely higher on android, but one can find basicaly anything he/she wants also for wm
so, please guys let me know why do you want android on yours hd2
thank you!
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scbrother said:
Android is just better, even with some bugs.
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now, this is definetely a solid statement. can you bring some arguments equaly solid?
Jezwick said:
+1
for me the mail app and the google sync is miles apart from the rubbish windows dishes up
I really don't like HTC Sense and I find WM 6.5 ugly, cumberson and very un user friendy
Added to the fact that the app store is miles better than Market place the apps and widgets are generally of a very high standard and most are free...
I will never go back to Windows mobile now, completely hooked on android ..
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mail app and google sync - nonsense as wm has exchange and myphone for sync.
interface ugly - that's a question of taste, but you can personalise your interface in so many ways. take for instance maxsense or spb mobile shell. android interface is so iphoneish...
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now this is something, although speak search you can have also in wm (bing for instance).
augumented reality - i don't know what that is and how can i use it on my android hd2
java development - is this important? in wich way?
for al 3 guys above - if android is so cool and wm is not, why don't you buy an android phone instead of using a wm phone with an imperfect android ported rom?
this is not a flame attempt is just an honest question
thank you all!
Personally Its about looks and widgets.
I know It sounds odd but I hate the look of winmo.
I also dont like having to scroll through a bunch of different screens when I can have a screen with a bunch of different info on it.
Sense on winmo comes across as a big hinderence. Only thing that made winmo bareable to me was cht and even that drove me crazy.
I always say this but as a user of all three os I am just more comfortable with android than anything else.
So i guess I would not consider myself a winmo user. I bought the phone with the intent on using android at some point.
It is hard to get people to adjust to something different. Most avid winmo users will say they like winmo better. Most avid android users will say that like android.
It all boils down to what you like.
If someone has always used intel and you get them to buy a amd when they get a virus they will blame you for suggesting the amd. I know this because I work retail. I have learned not to let my feelings or judgements get in the way.
So I say if you like winmo stick with it.
Old winmo is dead hopefully windows phone 7 can be ported to the hd2. Otherwise those who like winmo will be stuck doing it old school.
I'am waiting for the Motorola Defy. ;-)
I find the HD2 with WM also good. But i'am curious.
Bing? Speaksearch? How?
noris08 said:
for al 3 guys above - if android is so cool and wm is not, why don't you buy an android phone instead of using a wm phone with an imperfect android ported rom?
this is not a flame attempt is just an honest question
thank you all!
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As for why people dont flat out buy a android phone.
I am a t-mobile user. I do not wish to use sprint or verizon so that limits the number of phones I can use with the very large 4.3 inch screen.
We arent getting the Desire hd here in the Us. and frankly the samsung captivate is too small and missing led flash.
google 2 nexus 1 mytouch slide screens are all too small!
price is also important. If someone already has an hd2 why spend more money on a new phone when you can use android.
buggy as it maybe its pretty dang fantastic.
Turn by turn gps in Google maps is great. Windows mobile is dated. Looks basically the same as it did 8 or 9 years ago. It was designed to be used with a stylus and android was designed for touch. I don't know why people say android looks like i OS, it really looks nothing like it with widgets instead of page after page of apps.
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Turn by turn gps in Google maps is great. Windows mobile is dated. Looks basically the same as it did 8 or 9 years ago. It was designed to be used with a stylus and android was designed for touch. I don't know why people say android looks like i OS, it really looks nothing like it with widgets instead of page after page of apps.
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I agree sir I truly agree. I cant stand Ios personally.
Windows is unstable, it crashes at least once or twice a week without any heavy usage.
I went back to the HD2 after owning an iphone for 18 months, I didn't like the way apple control everything so went back to Windows and regretted it ever since. The iphone required maybe three or four reboots in 18 months.
Now I'm running Android on the HD2 and rarely drop back to windows for anything.
There are certainly problems at the moment with Android on the HD2, these will be overcome (remember these are really just beta versions at the moment) relatively quickly and we will have a stable operating system that is highly configurable and far far superior to Windows.
I'm using mdeejay_froyo_sense_v2.1a_ppp with a 2.12 radio and stock 02 uk Rom. I still lose signal occasionally with this release but no screen freezes after a week of heavy use. For me it is now more stable than windows.
guys, this is not wm vs android
please remember the question - Why do you want Android on HD2?
you all bought hd2 as a wm phone, so i find it odd that you say so many bad words about wm. did somebody twist your arms to buy hd2 or did you chose it freely?
i completely disagree with the guy saing wm is instable - on my hd2 i use custom roms and they are extremely stable (nrgz, miri&steve, indie to name just a few chefs)
turn by turn - almost any gps sofware has it
and wm may be outdated but on hd2 is very finger friendly. i don't see the need of a stylus no matter what i do
where i live a second hand hd2 is selling for 3-400Euros. with that money you can buy a samsung galaxy s - same size, even better technical specs
and yes, bing has speak search. in the home page you will see a small microphone icon. press it and the speak what you are looking for and wait for the magic
and as i said before, you can customize your interface in so many ways...
so, again, why android on hd2?
thank you!
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guys, this is not wm vs android
please remember the question - Why do you want Android on HD2?
you all bought hd2 as a wm phone, so i find it odd that you say so many bad words about wm. did somebody twist your arms to buy hd2 or did you chose it freely?
i completely disagree with the guy saing wm is instable - on my hd2 i use custom roms and they are extremely stable (nrgz, miri&steve, indie to name just a few chefs)
turn by turn - almost any gps sofware has it
and wm may be outdated but on hd2 is very finger friendly. i don't see the need of a stylus no matter what i do
where i live a second hand hd2 is selling for 3-400Euros. with that money you can buy a samsung galaxy s - same size, even better technical specs
and yes, bing has speak search. in the home page you will see a small microphone icon. press it and the speak what you are looking for and wait for the magic
and as i said before, you can customize your interface in so many ways...
so, again, why android on hd2?
thank you!
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We arent bashing windows mobile. These are our reasons as to why we want android on the hd2. A lot of regular users I know have had horrible experiences with the hd2. Most of the people I speak with hate the phone. The fact that they have winmo on the phone matters not to them.
You must have by passed the fact that I said the galaxy's screen is to small for me. Yes .3 inches matters and the fact that the galaxy s doesnt have led flash for camera's is a major kill
Like I said I chose it freely to put Android on it. When i got my phone The nexus 1 was the only android phone with decent spec's. Frankly the 3.7 inch screen is too small.
Why, because i can have Android on it, that's why
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Why, because i can have Android on it, that's why
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and if you have a gun you will start kill people just because you can?
please , how many clicks does it take in
wm/android
from lockscreen to enable wifi and go back to homescreen , 5/2
how many clicks does it take to disable orientation and go back to homescreen 6/1
how many clicks does it take to adust brightness and go back to homescreen 6/1
how many clicks does it takes to download email and fb updates after a successful wifi connect and go back to homescreen 6/0
cht may improve theese values ... but gimme a break with questions like theese , u do not deserve to run android on ur fone if u ask somthing like this
Honestly What is the point behind this question other than you just wanted to ask.
And while I do respect that you wanted to I ask I cant but wonder what you expect.
Each one of these members has a reason for wanting or not wanting android.
You really should consider accepting peoples reasons.
as you said I am not flaming I am just stating what I see.
I look forward to your response.
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please , how many clicks does it take in
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from lockscreen to enable wifi and go back to homescreen , 5/1
how many clicks does it take to disable orientation and go back to homescreen 6/1
how many clicks does it take to adust brightness and go back to homescreen 6/1
how many clicks does it takes to download email and fb updates and go back to homescreen 6/1
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Remember Windows mobile does have toggles and widgets
wait i know for sure it has toggles but widgets Im thinking not very many not that I could find anyway.
I'm slowly but surely falling for the siren song of Android on my HD2. However, I'm kind of spoiled by the NRGZ28 ROM's with all that CHT 2.0 and sencity goodness. I've tried out some of the SD-card Android ROM's (courtesy NRG's easy as pie launcher) but I find myself missing some of the functionality I've become so used to on WM6.5. The home screen. The weather apps. Other stuff. Taken each by themselves it doesn't seem like much, but taken all together and -- incredibly -- I start missing WM6.5.
Can someone advise me (and others) who really enjoy the super nice NRG ROM's with all their slick UI's what's the best Android ROM to start playing with? WM6.5 looks very nice with Sense, but the same Sense on Android looks pretty plain. The Android marketplace shows the WM marketplace for the joke it is, but I just can't get over missing some of the cool features in Sense.
Any advice or suggestions are completely welcome.
Thank you!
yeaandrandroid ruined my touchscreen. There are many builds ,most are rushed. none polished. be warned
I'd flash a Desire HD build. They are the probably the best thing android can offer IMO. Look for Mdeejays Froyo HD 4.6 it's what I use and it has been alright for me.
NRG energy roms are beast and probably is the only bright light of WM on our device.. still dont know why people are so quick to throw WM down when i feel like I'm running two different phones when im on WM (WM being the superior device)
Android just doesnt feel as swift as WM does with an energy rom.
Must give you a heads up.. MMS on android is a pain in the butt and there are several upon several threads with so many apn's.. i just switch to WM to handle that because its as easy as breathing.
i dont know whats missing
I have no idea what is missing in Android sense that winmo has. Android has the weather, clock, album, music, mail, internet is fast but not as fast as opera but atleast it supports full flash. Well I was never a hardcore fan of winmo so maybe my opinion is biased and I might be forgetting something as I haven't used winmo in 4 months or so.
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I'm slowly but surely falling for the siren song of Android on my HD2. However, I'm kind of spoiled by the NRGZ28 ROM's with all that CHT 2.0 and sencity goodness. I've tried out some of the SD-card Android ROM's (courtesy NRG's easy as pie launcher) but I find myself missing some of the functionality I've become so used to on WM6.5. The home screen. The weather apps. Other stuff. Taken each by themselves it doesn't seem like much, but taken all together and -- incredibly -- I start missing WM6.5.
Can someone advise me (and others) who really enjoy the super nice NRG ROM's with all their slick UI's what's the best Android ROM to start playing with? WM6.5 looks very nice with Sense, but the same Sense on Android looks pretty plain. The Android marketplace shows the WM marketplace for the joke it is, but I just can't get over missing some of the cool features in Sense.
Any advice or suggestions are completely welcome.
Thank you!
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If you still like winmo, then why not keep it? You can have winmo and android on your phone. I'm playing around with nand android right now, but I plan on going back to winmo and running android off sd... the way I see it, nand doesn't improve android enough to want to get rid of the ability to run multiple os's on it. That's what makes the HD2 special... If I wanted a phone that just ran android off nand and that's it, I would've gotten a native android phone. But to each his own... we have lot's of choices with the HD2.
Just caught your post as I was pondering a move to Android. I have also been running NRG's CHT for a while and been very happy.
Decided to go ahead anyway, flashed the Desire ROM, and it's interesting. Some things are familiar, other things are not. Android seems to be working a bit differently than WM, in that there isn't a 'close' button, and I don't like having to puch the key to get back to my home screen every time, but there's probably an app for that.
On the whole, I can see how 'Droid is a boon for those new to more sophisticated smart phones, but for those of us who have been running WM for a while, there don't seem to be any surprises as we've already been spoiled by having this sort of functionality.
The real reason I'm strongly considering moving to Android is that Microsoft has pretty much left us at a dead end. I had a considerable investment in software for WM 6.x but knowing in advance that WM7 was going to leave me out in the cold, my last software purchases have been from developers who have apps in both platforms, such as CoPilot and PocketInformant.
Anyway, all I can suggest is to use a good backup program like Sprite or SPB backup, archive your Energy ROM and give Android a shot. The worst that can happen is you flash back. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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If you still like winmo, then why not keep it? You can have winmo and android on your phone. I'm playing around with nand android right now, but I plan on going back to winmo and running android off sd... the way I see it, nand doesn't improve android enough to want to get rid of the ability to run multiple os's on it. That's what makes the HD2 special... If I wanted a phone that just ran android off nand and that's it, I would've gotten a native android phone. But to each his own... we have lot's of choices with the HD2.
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The main reason I'm looking to move to Android is the availability of apps. The WM Marketplace was a total joke before WP7 came out and killed WM6.5. Now nobody in their right mind is going to spend any time developing anything cool for WM6.5. All the new apps are either iPhone or Android.
I figure in a year, maybe less, there'll be no worthwhile apps for WM6.5 at all (not that there are many now). I'd rather eat dirt than have an iPhone, so the sooner I get on the Android bandwagon the more familiar I'll be with it when it fully hits its stride.
Hi Prisoner881, I just wanted to say that I felt exactly like you mate. I'd trawl xda every day or 2 to see how the Andriod NAND build was coming along (never wanted to do the SD Card Android - too much mither for me). I was getting really miffed with the Marketplace - very few new apps and expensive too.
So 3 days ago I decided to take the plunge. My phone is with Vodafone and I had the 1.66 ROM on it.
So I followed mskips instructions to install Android (using Cortulla's Desire build) and it took about 30 minutes in total to do everything without a glitch. I got to say man, I'm blown away with it. Once you get used to the differences, I haven't even thought about Winmo. There are so many quality free apps, it's just stunning.
One thing to bear in mind is, if you have an EU HD2, you don't have much memory left to install stuff (about 120MB). You can get around this by Rooting the Andriod phone (really easy) then installing Move2SD (free from the Market). Then most apps you download will go directly to the SD card and if they don't it is easy to move them.
I've installed roughly 50 apps so far, still got over 30mb free on my phone.
There is also another chef creating a NAND build based on Cortulla's which is trimmed down (removing some of the crap that I'll never use). This should give a lot more space when it's fully ready
I'd go for it dude as I can't put the damned phone down now (even my iPhone obsessed missus is jealously looking on )
well a year has passed on this thread and having been a long time NRG WM6.5 Rom user with CHT2 customisation and all the right apps to make the device perfect, i have just picked up a couple of Sensation XE handsets to replace our HD2's.
Whilst the Android Marketplace has a huge amount of apps, some apps just arent available for WM6.5 and offer some degree of incentive to make the switch.
I have toyed around with SD Android builds but none were compelling enough to be more than eye candy and interesting alternative OS for my HD2s.
The primary functions i had running on my HD2 were shared calendars with Outlook allowing my wife and i to see family schedules.(using Nuevasync which is an excellent service) and push email via the Carriers branded Sevenmail app.
Since receiving my Sensation XE the UI is slick and im working towards finding practical solutions to replacing my WM6.5 apps.
However the biggest initial hurdle is the lack of Outlook contacts sync. I am trying the HTC Sync application but its too early to tell whether this will be suffient or not.
How have other NRG rom users managed their migration to the Android platform?
In my humble opinion, sense is pointless on Android. In WM we *needed* lots of overlays and tweaks just to make the OS usuable (have you ever turned sense off in WM? Its terrible!), but in Android we don't need all this. We can install an alternative launcher if we want, or keep it stock with it still looking good.
As for moving to Android, that was simply 'keeping with the times' and 'because I could'
Anyway, I wouldn't recommend installing a sense ROM because Android doesn't need it, its a resource hog, its not as pretty as the WM version, and if you're using an EU handset it takes up too much space. Of course you may fall in love with it, this is just my experience.
I ended up trying CyanogenMod after bidding farewell to sense, and loved all the extra functionality. However I found it just wasn't 'pretty' enough.
So along came MIUI, who swiftly gave me all the answers. It's got nice eye-candy (with built in theme manager and HUNDREDS of themes to choose from, some even sense like), fast, customisable, weekly updates, and has some cool features (set the music app to turn off after a few hours so it can lull you to sleep, built-in data managing on a per-app, per-connection and global basis, lock editing the phone/viewing call logs to show people the phone, auto-arrange items on home screen, literally too much to mention)
To summarise - it's all about your preference, but don't think sense is the only way to go.
I recently also did the swap from the Energy WM ROM to the Energy Android NAND ROM and for now I must say that I love the Android.
The connectivity to Windows PC & sync was almost perfect before with WM ROM but there have also been many problems & issues.
If you can live with the camcorder resolution issue on the Android ROM then the only thing you have to decide is with which bootloader to go.
I first went with the MAGLDR but then realized the missing battery loading function when phone is off. So I went with cLK (which has the data dropping thing, which they will hopefully be able to change away from PPP connection).
But anyhow, I should have done the switch to the NRG Android ROM much earlier as this system is so much faster, stable and the community with apps and infos is just blowing.
Many thanks goes to the chief NRG for his time & work.
I have tried WM6.5 and Andriod and returned back to WP7.
Whenever I find a missing function in WP7, I Flash a different OS but then within a day or two I am back to WP7.
Is WP7 Is an addictive OS ?
Do you share my feelings toward WP7 ?
Regards
I've been through several roms on my hd2, WinMo 6.5, 6.5.*, Android, WP7.... Currently running an android rom and I hate it. WP7 was so much more user friendly. Sure android has more apps, but I hate having to sift through several menus to change settings. WP7 is clean and simple. Will probably move back to WP7 once a good NoDo or Mango rom is available.
Its called customising. WP7 is BOOOOOOOORING. Put the settings on your homescreen or find widgets that do the job of the settings you like to change. Its not difficult. Android much more interesting than WP7. Hell, WM6.5 is much more interesting than WP7. I just suppose if you like being told what to do WP7 is for you, whereas if you like to control what you are doing (and the device you own) android is for you. WP7 is boring and not at all addictive at all to me.
hungry81 said:
Its called customising. WP7 is BOOOOOOOORING. Put the settings on your homescreen or find widgets that do the job of the settings you like to change. Its not difficult. Android much more interesting than WP7. Hell, WM6.5 is much more interesting than WP7. I just suppose if you like being told what to do WP7 is for you, whereas if you like to control what you are doing (and the device you own) android is for you. WP7 is boring and not at all addictive at all to me.
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I wouldn't quite say WP7 is additive...it's more usable and stable than WM6.5.5 for the HD2 for certain!!!
If you don't like WP7 what the hell are you doing here posting your bull? This is, after all, the WP7 forum and not the Android nor WM6.5 forum.
As for your info, I've spent way too much time fooling around with WM6.5 on the HD2 "customizing", yet never able to get a stable OS nor get anything done on my phone due to it's laggard performance. Go and stay with your Android or WM...keep out of the WP7 forums and leave it to us who enjoy finally being able to use our phones the way it was meant to be used!!!!! You can just stay "down under mate"!
Addictive, yes... But I don't know why...
When I initially saw some youtube vids on wp7 I thought "YUK", how bloody boring and drab... But I've found the simplicity, usability and speed to be what attracts me...
I'll persevere with a shonky wp7 till the end of the year when my contract runs out and I go for a fully fledged wp7 phone...
I'm looking at the LG Optimus 7Q cause I miss my slide out qwerty, but I hope HTC has something similar by then...
Till then its HD2 + WP7 = Win!
I personally like and prefer android why because it has more to offer meaning apps,support,development,features and customization is off the charts!..now ive had my fun with windows 6.5 and im so glad cotulla and the guys where able to unlock the NAND for us and deliver these excellent OS's WindowsPhone7 right off the box was beautiful looking but it does honestly get boring aside from the fact that microsoft decided not include key features that would have made this OS awesome out of the ass lol..such as Multitasking which is something that is essential,a more open sdk/relationship with devs to bring more apps which equals appeal we are living in a time where APPS are what sell the phone basically or maybe thats just what i think..copy and paste feature this is another key thing..that microsoft decided to put off for an unknown reason which im kinda at a lost to understanding, theyre own proprietary software to load music as if we dont live in a fast paced life..not all people have Zune in their PCs i mean this OS is new we cant say much till later maybe in the near future all this will be fixed but many features that were offered in 6.5 were ignored completely only to be put back in later "revisions" Donut/Mango, Sure WP7 has a eye candy catch to it but at the end of the day can you really ask yourself, Does it deliver what we the end user needs?..in my opinion no. as for now ill stay Android
I agree that wp7 has got an addictive pull, I have done a similar thing, one day I will have wp7 only on my hd2, then I think nope I miss windows mobile and revert back to that, then after a day or so, I am convinced the only way to go is Android so nand flash that, then a few days later am back to wp7 believing this is the perfect operating system, only to be starting the while loop again.
My thoughts are we are spoilt for choice with the hd2, because it can run all these operating systems so very well.
My perfect setup, well for the next few days is wp7 with android on sd dual booting.
Sent from my HTC HD2
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I wouldn't quite say WP7 is additive...it's more usable and stable than WM6.5.5 for the HD2 for certain!!!
If you don't like WP7 what the hell are you doing here posting your bull? This is, after all, the WP7 forum and not the Android nor WM6.5 forum.
As for your info, I've spent way too much time fooling around with WM6.5 on the HD2 "customizing", yet never able to get a stable OS nor get anything done on my phone due to it's laggard performance. Go and stay with your Android or WM...keep out of the WP7 forums and leave it to us who enjoy finally being able to use our phones the way it was meant to be used!!!!! You can just stay "down under mate"!
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Hey genius, This may be a WP7 section But it is located within the HD2 Subforums. And the funny thing is I happen to have a HD2. I have looked at WP7 and I maintain that I find it BORING. Im sorry you came here expecting everyone to agree with your BORING point of view, but everyone is Different and the OP has expressly asked for peoples opinions, and not requested that only Microsoft fanbois post their banal opinions in this thread. So I will go on enjoying WM 6.5 and Android over WP7 and you can continue enjoy BORING things. Now rage away "mate."
ive tried wp7 and tbh i wasnt that impressed with it, yes it is fast but i didnt like the feel of it and the layout
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Addictive, yes... But I don't know why...
When I initially saw some youtube vids on wp7 I thought "YUK", how bloody boring and drab... But I've found the simplicity, usability and speed to be what attracts me...
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I totally Agree with you and I also don't know why WP7 is addictive
hjhjhj said:
I wouldn't quite say WP7 is additive...it's more usable and stable than WM6.5.5 for the HD2 for certain!!!
If you don't like WP7 what the hell are you doing here posting your bull? This is, after all, the WP7 forum and not the Android nor WM6.5 forum.
As for your info, I've spent way too much time fooling around with WM6.5 on the HD2 "customizing", yet never able to get a stable OS nor get anything done on my phone due to it's laggard performance. Go and stay with your Android or WM...keep out of the WP7 forums and leave it to us who enjoy finally being able to use our phones the way it was meant to be used!!!!! You can just stay "down under mate"!
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Hey genius, This may be a WP7 section But it is located within the HD2 Subforums. And the funny thing is I happen to have a HD2. I have looked at WP7 and I maintain that I find it BORING. Im sorry you came here expecting everyone to agree with your BORING point of view, but everyone is Different and the OP has expressly asked for peoples opinions, and not requested that only Microsoft fanbois post their banal opinions in this thread. So I will go on enjoying WM 6.5 and Android over WP7 and you can continue enjoy BORING things. Now rage away "mate."
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It was not my intension to cause a fight in this thread, People vary in their likes and dislikes.
All three OS are great, and as THUDUK said, we are spoilt as HD2 can run the three OS well.
All I wanted is to see if other people share my feeelings toward WP7.
At the end thank you all for your opinions , we will continue to to have different opinions about everything in live otherwise companies will close down as people prefer only one product
Best regards
Most addictive, slickest, & cleanest OS, I've ever used! Also the most stable on my HD2. Love it! MUCH better than Android or winmo imo.
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I like WP7...
But apps are really slow in loading, scrolling is choppy and slow... (Just look at Facebook app and BoardExpress, other apps are the same but I forgot them because I've been using NANDroid permanently for a few months now.)
And there are a few important apps that are missing in WP7, namely GPS Navigation for my country, Malaysia.
If these issues are ironed out, I would be more than happy to switch to WP7 full time because the UI is just awesome!