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First post, want to choose between the HD2 & N900

Hey everyone,
I'm sorry my first post couldn't be of much benefit to anyone, but well, I joined these forums so I could learn and then hopefully contribute to the community as well.
My question is,
For a casual multimedia user and a heavy web browser like myself, what would be the better phone? the Leo or the Nokia N900?
I prefer the Leo because of it's larger screen, faster processor, customization ability and plus, WM just feels like home
However, I've heard complaints from many saying that the speaker is too distorted, the keyboard is rubbish and the touchscreen is oversensitive. Now, these are complete dealbreakers for me and even if I can live with the speaker, I need to have a proper, usable keyboard and an intuitive interface, which the N900 already has.
I'm also pretty concerned about the audio sync issue, on EVERY HD2, that occurs on videos making the audio usually lag behind the video about 100-250ms. That, alone, is worth making me not consider the device, despite it's strengths against every other phone.
For this reason, I can't really decide on which to buy and have come to you guys for suggestions.
Thanks in advance

Well first the leo..
You got a large screen Looking tv is simply amazing. The design of the leo is so slim ok the n900 has keyboard but it could be thinner for a qwerty slider.The second question how long do you use your phone 2 years or more?
The HD2 have very large ram and a fast proccesor. It future proof. If there comes a new version of windows or a cool android port big possibility that the hardware is capable of running the new OS. For the rest there are much more apps for the htc you can choose different navigation software and more. But oke the n900 is growing. In my eyes the hardware (exceptbattery and the glass of the screen wich can break) the device is solid as rock wifi, gps it al works nice and fast. Normally your device will be looking as new. Evrything fits nicely to gether no dust in the device etc... BUT one disadvantage you need to tweak your device flashing a custom rom installing some needed things cookies hometab, Srs wow hd, a better movie player. But ones done your device is perfect fast, the battery hold a long day. And you got a great device. About the touchscreen and keyboard if you practice with you can learn how to type with. But for the rest the touchscreen works good it is sensetive reactes fine in my opnion. Ok this was the LEO.
You can make windows perfect for you.
N900
Good device lots of linux developers. Works good maybe a bit better out of the box then leo. But less apps. The device is thicker. But the opterating system is a bit smarter. The device is in my opnion uglyer than leo.
Conclusion:
If you like a little bit tweaking and not to noob with electronics. And dont gonna cry if you installed a program that make your device unstable. And not the first thing that you are gonna do is calling htc if you got problems. Then you will love your htc hd2.
If you are a customer that not is intrested in the device it self and you hate complicated things etc.. than choose the n900
It is like this
OS:
N900 Good/very good
LEO Good
OS after tweaking
N900 Good/very good
LEO Ultimate (greatest possibilities of a mobile device).
But in fact of hardware hd2 always powns with any phon
But the N900 is more intuintive.
But if you don't change settings evryday. Sense works simply and intuintive in my opnion.
Only if you are wanna play a XVID (example) you need 3d party apss with are not always intuitnive.
It works fine stable and with cookies hometab perfect.

in my oppinion the leo is the best phone i´ve had, but it all depends on the users needs, interrest and the time u want to spend customizing the phone to your needs and likings... ..
my advice would be try out but phones in a shop and take the one you like the best... ...
cheers
ps. NEVER experienced oversensitivity on my leo´s screen, and the keyboard is easy to use when u get used to it, otherwise there are alot of alternatives to the winmobile keyboard..

I'm don't know N900 too much but I have some inputs about the HD2 that you will like!
The touch screen has been a bit sensitive, I love the sensitivity BUT it gets in the way when typing on the keyboard, making it suck big time kick ass hard!
However, I just flashed to the Artemis v14 ROM (which is a custom ROM if you didn't get that far in your research).
To my big surprise, either because I forgot to turn off the vibration feedback, or the keyboard was actally improved, cuz now it's almost impossible to misspress anymore.
I am so satisfied with the keyboard now, so that problem is 100% gone!
Personally, before I got my HD2, I was a bit against it not having a hardware keyboard, but now I'd rather get raped than have a HD2 twice or tripple its thickness just to get a hw-keyboard.
Summary: The keyboard on HD2 is great now.
With time, I got either used to the little distortion the speakers has, or the quality got a little bit better (I think it actually did! I always have the lowest volume though).
So, the speaker might not be what u expect when u pay so much money, but the sens of the screen is good and the keyboard works flawlessly!
Hope this helps ur desicion!

You cannot beat the HD2 for web browsing Opera 9.7 is the best mobile browser ever made and in landscape it's simply huge, you can read pretty much a whole web page width as it was designed.
The default keyboard is very good in my opinion however I use SlideIT which I think cannot be beaten, it's a Swype variant but better.
However you must take battery life into consideration, and I don't care what people say, the HD2 has a poor battery life. I carry a spare as a matter of course and rarely burn through one a day, but just in case it's an essential thing to have.
I wouldn't swap my HD2 for the world with a custom ROM, and a few tweaks nothing can beat it.

what site do you open when you are browsing the web?
if it's full of flash then go to the n900 or android phone
if it's just the regular web pages just go with the hd2.
as the hd2 won't get the flash 10.1 from the adobe
the hd2 will be perfect if it got the flash 10.
huge screen, the pretty htc sense, best web browser (if the web without flash), very fast snapdragon, beautiful design, and many more

Thanks for the replies, everyone.
I am the tweaking, modding sort of person and frankly I do browse a LOT of webpages.
From your feedback @jan-willem3 I have to agree with you, the Leo is better looking and more modder friendly, it is also much more powerful than the N900.
From everybody elses, I see the keyboard has some issues and since I'm coming from an E90 communicator I presume I'd just have to get used to touchscreens. Go figure.
Anyhow, you guys have convinced me, I'm springing for the HD2 since here it is a little bit cheaper than the N900. I will miss the TV-out but I think the screen is big enough for movie watching.
Just a few more questions, does an Apple Wireless Keyboard work properly with it? and does it have any problems handling 16GB microSD cards?

un fair to compare these two devices . leo leads by million miles ( multitouch capastive screen, the on screen keyboare is bigger than the hardware keyboard on n 900 , more power processor , more than twice ram (576 vs 256 ). bigger screen ,and finally (windows os ,means push email ,revolutionary office ,and allot for business needs0

I had an N900 which is good but the battery life is rubbish. I tried two different phones and three batteries incase I had a duff phone. In the end I exchanged the N900 for the HD2. On the N900 the battery would last three hours and using the same amount of web browsing, phone calls and playing with the phone I can get one and a bit days from the HD2.
Some of the features of the N900 are better than the HD2, uploading to facebook, and I could get my location uploaded to facebook and twitter.
I also liked the cover to protect the camera lens on the N900, what I did not like was the lack of apps and the general feel taht the N900 was a work in progress.

I have the used both phones.
The N900 is probably better for multimedia & browsing.
The keyboard is better, it has TV Out (Out of the box, including cable) too so you can use a big screen for films and browsing.
The films seem to run a lot smoother too than on the HD2 despite the HD2's superior spec.
A nice touch of the N900 is the built in stand to stand the phone at an angle while watching films.
The HD2 runs really nice in WIFI router mode though and my laptop runs great and fast online off the HD2, so if you're going to use a laptop with for browsing while out then the HD2 is better suited.
However, the HD2 is much better looking & more customisable.
The N900 is actually very chunky though. But it has the bonus of a 32gb Storage on board which is very nice.
For me the N900 has a much better battery life while browsing & film watching. I guess it's due to the slightly smaller screen & processor.
Id love to say the HD2 as this is what I use daily, but for what you need the N900 is probably better.
Here's a pic of them side by side I took a while ago with some other phones for a direct comparison.

HTC_Junglist said:
I have the used both phones.
The N900 is probably better for multimedia & browsing.
The keyboard is better, it has TV Out (Out of the box, including cable) too so you can use a big screen for films and browsing.
The films seem to run a lot smoother too than on the HD2 despite the HD2's superior spec.
A nice touch of the N900 is the built in stand to stand the phone at an angle while watching films.
The HD2 runs really nice in WIFI router mode though and my laptop runs great and fast online off the HD2, so if you're going to use a laptop with for browsing while out then the HD2 is better suited.
However, the HD2 is much better looking & more customisable.
The N900 is actually very chunky though. But it has the bonus of a 32gb Storage on board which is very nice.
For me the N900 has a much better battery life while browsing & film watching. I guess it's due to the slightly smaller screen & processor.
Id love to say the HD2 as this is what I use daily, but for what you need the N900 is probably better.
Here's a pic of them side by side I took a while ago with some other phones for a direct comparison.
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I agree with you, except that the battery life is better because of the lesser backlighting and the smaller processor. Both screens (HD2 and N900) have the same resolution, as you know.
Tbh, the only reason I'm not buying the N900 is because of the screen, which I'm downgrading on. My current E90 communicator has a screen with slightly lower resolution (i.e. 800x352) than the N900 and the HD2 but it measures 4.0 inches. Losing screen real-estate is not something I'm willing to do.
The N900 has an amazing browser but the HD2 has more screen space to offset that. Both can play multimedia but I'm holding off on the HD2 because of this. No escape since this seems to affect the HTC Desire too.
In the end, I do think the N900 is better for me, but it's size and small screen put me off. What do you guys think I should go for, then, as an alternative?

Yeah I can see why you don't want to go for the N900 if it's smaller in screen size than you have, otherwise I think it would be a good choice for you.
As you can see in that pic there is also a Sony Erricsson Xperia X10
I would not recommend you get this.
Browsing is very painful and it only plays MP4 out the box, no avi!!!!!
It just doesn't run nice IMO but does have a nice screen & camera.

HTC_Junglist said:
Yeah I can see why you don't want to go for the N900 if it's smaller in screen size than you have, otherwise I think it would be a good choice for you.
As you can see in that pic there is also a Sony Erricsson Xperia X10
I would not recommend you get this.
Browsing is very painful and it only plays MP4 out the box, no avi!!!!!
It just doesn't run nice IMO but does have a nice screen & camera.
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hmmm. then that's the XPERIA X10 out of the picture.
What else do you recommend? Thanks for helping me out on this.

u said the keyboard and the oversensetive screen would be dealbreaker for u...
there are so many other amazing keyboard for winmo out there. i hate the standard htc keyboard too, i really hate it. the first app i installed was the fingerkeyboard 2.1 ^.^ i just love it.
and yes, some ppl say the screen is oversensetive.. it truly is if u compare it to older winmo devices or another capacitive device BUT this problem is already solved ^.^ there are some cabs on this forum to decrase the screen sensetivity. im using this since 2 months now or so, and its really better
uuhm, i think i just killed ur dealbreakers
and hey, for me, the speakers are okay, well i only use them for utube or when my phone rings, for what else should i? why should i watch movies on my hd2 without earplugs? i mean, we got so amazing sound quality with WOW SRS

D4rkSoRRoW said:
u said the keyboard and the oversensetive screen would be dealbreaker for u...
there are so many other amazing keyboard for winmo out there. i hate the standard htc keyboard too, i really hate it. the first app i installed was the fingerkeyboard 2.1 ^.^ i just love it.
and yes, some ppl say the screen is oversensetive.. it truly is if u compare it to older winmo devices or another capacitive device BUT this problem is already solved ^.^ there are some cabs on this forum to decrase the screen sensetivity. im using this since 2 months now or so, and its really better
uuhm, i think i just killed ur dealbreakers
and hey, for me, the speakers are okay, well i only use them for utube or when my phone rings, for what else should i? why should i watch movies on my hd2 without earplugs? i mean, we got so amazing sound quality with WOW SRS
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I'm pretty convinced about these problems being easy to solve, but I just saw this. Personally, this is a major flaw that will seriously affect my movie-watching.

hackm0d said:
I'm pretty convinced about these problems being easy to solve, but I just saw this. Personally, this is a major flaw that will seriously affect my movie-watching.
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aww, i saw this thread, but i always ignored it cause im not watching that many movies with my phone.. for me it doesnt matter, but it suxx

D4rkSoRRoW said:
aww, i saw this thread, but i always ignored it cause im not watching that many movies with my phone.. for me it doesnt matter, but it suxx
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Yeah but I dooo want to watch movies on my HD2 when it comes, that's what the big screen is for, no?
The thing is, I'm just letting a sync issue change me over to Maemo, a smaller, resistive screen and a whole lot of included bulk. But to me, movie watching on the go is CRUCIAL.
For the guys with this issue, is it really that bad? Even with TCPMP and CorePlayer? What if we lower the bitrate a bit?

HTC_Junglist said:
Yeah I can see why you don't want to go for the N900 if it's smaller in screen size than you have, otherwise I think it would be a good choice for you.
As you can see in that pic there is also a Sony Erricsson Xperia X10
I would not recommend you get this.
Browsing is very painful and it only plays MP4 out the box, no avi!!!!!
It just doesn't run nice IMO but does have a nice screen & camera.
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Actually, does the screen "feel" small? As in do you ever squint at the screen to watch videos or struggle to read text? Or is there not enough room to see things properly? If it doesn't I might just go for it over the HD2, the main reason being the audio sync issue on the HD2. Have you tried playing videos on the HD2 and noticed any discernable lag in the audio and video?

Yeah, mine has terrile lag unless I use TCPMP then it's fine, doesn't work for everyone though.
The N900s screen is fine for me, no squinting, it just looks a bit small in appearance as the phone is quite chunky so it just doesn't look so big compared to the chunky phone it's on.

Kalavere said:
You cannot beat the HD2 for web browsing Opera 9.7 is the best mobile browser ever made and in landscape it's simply huge, you can read pretty much a whole web page width as it was designed.
The default keyboard is very good in my opinion however I use SlideIT which I think cannot be beaten, it's a Swype variant but better.
However you must take battery life into consideration, and I don't care what people say, the HD2 has a poor battery life. I carry a spare as a matter of course and rarely burn through one a day, but just in case it's an essential thing to have.
I wouldn't swap my HD2 for the world with a custom ROM, and a few tweaks nothing can beat it.
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I would have agreed about SlideIt until the 2.13 ROM update was released. Now, the top performer is Swype for me, once again. I just bought SlideIt too, darn it!

Pros and Cons of SGS

Hey i'm considering getting the Samsung Galaxy S when my contract runs out but i'm still undecided between it and the HTC Desire. The specs for both phones are incredible.
Anyone have any problems with the SGS?
or Anything really AMAZING about it?
Please help

OGC313 said:
Hey i'm considering getting the Samsung Galaxy S when my contract runs out but i'm still undecided between it and the HTC Desire. The specs for both phones are incredible.
Anyone have any problems with the SGS?
or Anything really AMAZING about it?
Please help
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mostly lags and application force close but that's it..
cant be solved by updating the firmware or rooting..
..as for the application.. it happens to all android phones.. normal day to day experience.
not being biased or anything.. i can say that i am happy with my SGS - JG5.

I'm having problems with GPS. The iPhone next to me has me located in the right building but my SGS when it even gets a lock has me a few hundred kilometers off.
I get bad application lagg where I'm left looking at a black screen for quite a few seconds.
I don't like the non-standard usb connection. Plus I'm having problems connecting it to Kies, which I still have no idea what it is for.
The music player isn't great and I often get songs lagging.
On the plus side it is much better built than I expected from all the reviews I read. I thought the back would be thin and creak but it is solid.
The screen is awesome. I've been using it sat outside in the sun.

PROS: everything out of the box is better than other phones currently available in the market.
any "issue" you find, if you find any, can be fixed by software, including the GPS problem that some people have reported
CONS: battery life, that's all

Pros:
Needless to say the screen is absolutely amazing, watching videos is pure delight on this phone. compared to my old iphone 3g the difference is huge.
the default video player plays anything i have thrown at it, all look really good on the phone.
the music player is basic and does the trick, i really dont see the advantage of doubletwist etc, i found the desktop doubletwist extremely slow and laggy. I chose to use mediamonkey and stock player and it works perfectly, no lag at all. i do get some random album art which looks very poor almost like a thumbnail like some people reported. but majority of album art looks fine....
my phone generally is very snappy and quick, the only real lag i get is gallery for a few seconds and adding widgets/app shortcuts on the home screens.
im using launcher pro and pure stock rom.
i would also like to add that my first and only smart phone was an Iphone 3g 2 years ago, this is my first android phone and im loving the OS, i had my worries at first with people saying it can make certain tasks harder than they should be but tbh i find non of this, i love the notification window and widgets.
2.2 froyo coming which will hopefully reduce the little to no UI lag.
Cons:
Battery? Although its far better than my 2 year old Iphone 3g's battery.
A little lag here and there but no where near as bad as people moan about.

we all know that SGS can play all filetypes of video, but i have a question i haven't seen yet answered anywhere...does the SGS video player support subtitles?

pros:
light, beautiful screen, fast processors.
cons:
occassionals lags, reboot, slight stability problem.
waiting for 2.2 update.

Non standard USB?
johnsonab said:
I don't like the non-standard usb connection. Plus I'm having problems connecting it to Kies, which I still have no idea what it is for.
The music player isn't great and I often get songs lagging.
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Sounds like you need a firmware update!
Non standard USB? Are you aware that micro USB IS the defacto standard for data and charging connections on phones across manufacturers worldwide?
Tried replacing your music player with MusicMod - Far superior. Google "pirate media music mod"

Cons:
Lagging occurs quite often which is annoying to say the least (I hate that).
GPS not very accurate
Occasionally crashes
Design not very pleasing to iphone like - looks better in pictures
Touchwiz waste of space and ram
Pros:
Screen resolution
Video playback brilliant best around
Graphics best out there very smooth.
Screen size bigger then most
Music player is better then most including desire
Speaker LOUD and clear better then most other android

How come no ones mentioned that the SGS has a killer CPU and Vid Chip? just check the benchmarks. I too was going to buy the Desire but on the same day I was going to lay down some cash they launched this thing
Bad: has no trackpad as some old games and apps depend on it.

Pro's
- Beautifull screen
- Fast browsing
- Nice camera (for taking pictures during the day)
- Nice for gaming! Better FPS than other phones
- The phone is very light compared to other phones (it weighs less then the desire which is a smaller phone)
- Nice music player and the allshare app (which i use sometimes)
- Faster then all the phones when you apply the "lagfix"
Con's
- Lag (but this is fixable with the new JG5 firmware or/and the "lagfix")
- No image stabilizer for video capture
- No flash (camera)
- Reported GPS problems (these are software/firmware issues so they can be fixed)
- Battery life (but all the 1GHz phones suffer from this problem)
Allround its a great phone! if you are a tweaker then you CAN make it better!

johnsonab; said:
I'm having problems with GPS. The iPhone next to me has me located in the right building but my SGS when it even gets a lock has me a few hundred kilometers off.
I get bad application lagg where I'm left looking at a black screen for quite a few seconds.
I don't like the non-standard usb connection. Plus I'm having problems connecting it to Kies, which I still have no idea what it is for.
The music player isn't great and I often get songs lagging.
On the plus side it is much better built than I expected from all the reviews I read. I thought the back would be thin and creak but it is solid.
The screen is awesome. I've been using it sat outside in the sun.
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LOL. This could have been MY post.

Pros:
* Blazing fast (when not lagging).
* Awesome touch-response (when not lagging).
* It's Android
* Calendar is great
* Screen is great.
* Charges while connected to computer.
* Superior for mobile gaming. (Assuming the gamedevs actually use the hardware)
Cons:
* Dotpitch is subpar on the screen. (This is the one con they definitely can't do anything about)
* Laggy.
* GPS is unreliable
* 3G/2G switching is unreliable under some conditions
* Firmware updates are not OTA.
xefe said:
we all know that SGS can play all filetypes of video, but i have a question i haven't seen yet answered anywhere...does the SGS video player support subtitles?
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No.

OrionTC said:
Pros:
my phone generally is very snappy and quick, the only real lag i get is gallery for a few seconds and adding widgets/app shortcuts on the home screens.
im using launcher pro and pure stock rom.
Cons:
Battery? Although its far better than my 2 year old Iphone 3g's battery.
A little lag here and there but no where near as bad as people moan about.
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I think the lag on the adding applications or widgets is much, much worse with LauncherPro, I use LauncherPro, but the lag on adding anything to my home screens I attribute to LauncherPro because I didn't have any issues on TouchWiz (I think part of the reason is because of the way I have LauncherPro cache my pages for improved scrolling)
The screen is the biggest battery drain and this screen is nearly 20% bigger than the iPhone 3G with more pixels, we are a bit lucky to get the battery life we do, and the standby battery life is better than the iPhone 4's.
xefe said:
we all know that SGS can play all filetypes of video, but i have a question i haven't seen yet answered anywhere...does the SGS video player support subtitles?
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I think you'll have to hardcode them into the video before putting it onto the phone, Google it.

iPhone to Desire HD switchers

If you've switched from an iPhone to a Desire HD, what do you think of it? Do you regret the decision or are you happy with it?
I've been delaying my choice of Android phone to wait for the Nexus S, but that's last year's hardware at a rip-off price, whereas I've had a play with a DHD in a shop recently and was blown away by it (THE SCREEN IS HUGE!)
So, yeah, if I get positive feedback from iPhone switchers, I'll sell my 3GS pick up the DHD for myself ASAP!

IMHO do it, trying it never hurts. But the experience may proof to be more exciting then you think. Comes from Nokia user who also used Iphone for work.
For me, it's just more freedom, with everything.

Best thing I ever done was ditch my iPhone, the DHD is just superior in every way.

my iPhone 4 colleague jaws drop whenever he sees my DHD so today I showed him some 8MP pics I took with it and he thought I was fooling him, I then showed him quake 2 emulated running blazing fast and he raised the white flag
check this thread for comparison with nexus S forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=863405

I have both devices but I still prefer the iPhone 4.
Simple Usability + tons of apps : iPhone 4
Out of the box Tweakable, Superieur hardware : HTC Desire HD
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I am business user/power user, I had iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, Blackberry Pearl, Nokia N97, still having iPhone 3GS 32 Mb (with and without jailbreak), Desire AND Desire HD.
Hardware:
Desire means lot of power in your hands, even without rooting, AMOLED screen, same resolution, I will say iPhone 4 and Desire are on the same level.
HD means the next level! (more CPU, more memory. bigger screen, faster, ...), GPS is a REAL GPS and not a joke as in iPhone.
Software:
All the software I need exists for android and usually is better than the same in the iPhone release. The use of office suite in iPhone is a pain in the... sincronizing files, movies and music between phone and two-theee computers is impossible.
Navigation (for free in ANDROID, from Google) is the best I have seen in smartphones and the ram, CPU and screen size matters also from SW point of view...
HD weakness
still poor android market, not in term of number of applications, but in terms of the poor user interface and consequentely is hard to find really cool applications.
Appbrain is part of the solution
rom... I need to restart every 2-3 days, because it becomes slow (some memory leaks?)
iPhone is really much better only in backup/restore. If you loose it, or damage it just connect a new one and in 5 minutes you will have your phone, as it was in the last sync. Android and HTC are still far from this!

kokkie said:
I have both devices but I still prefer the iPhone 4.
Simple Usability + tons of apps : iPhone 4
Out of the box Tweakable, Superieur hardware : HTC Desire HD
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I use both, like you say iPhone best for apps/games. DHD for for messing with.
Wish i could afford more phones!

rooting your devices allows you to make full backup using both either clockworks recovery for a complete image backup and titanium offers complete backup where you can restore exactly what you need

johnboywilson said:
I use both, like you say iPhone best for apps/games. DHD for for messing with.
Wish i could afford more phones!
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Indeed, iP4 is my private phone. HTC Desire Z is my Business phone
...the rest is play stuff/hobby

Some useful responses here, thanks!
I think I might as well make the jump, and if I regret it, I can always sell the HD and get an iPhone 4 anyway

Desire HD vs Iphone 4, my opinions.
Im deciding on which phone to buy, here are my opinions.
Desire HD
-Big screen
-Looks more cooler
-Few have this phone, so its fairly unique.
-Android has better emulators (But iphone has better native games)
-*Better, faster out-of-the-box browser that has flash and auto text resize (Safari alternatives on iphone can browse as fast and as well)
-*-The default, out-of-the-box interface is much better (However, the interface is very inconsistent and custom interfaces on iphone4 can be made to look as good)
-*No need to use Itunes, simply drag and drop. (Jailbroken iphones can do this too)
-*Better music playback (Custom iphone 4 music player apps are as good)
Iphone 4
-Much more high quality games
-Better managed app store, and there are more apps for the iphone
-Can last longer. Even after iphone 5, iphone 4 will still receive plenty of support. 2 years later, im quite sure iphone 4 will still remain a very viable phone.
-I think iphone 4 has better battery life, not too sure on this.
So, it seems iphone 4 wins desire hd handily and the only thing going for desire hd is the physical aspect (screen,looks).
Correct me if ive made any mistakes or left out anything important.

I have the DHD but never used an iPhone but it seems like you've made up your mind ....
Dave

Well, you forgot some stuff:
- iPhone is bound to iTunes / DesireHD just to a plain USB Connection
- SD Card on Desire HD / iPhone doesnt have SD Card, but bigger internal memory
- Desire HD has 768 MB of System Memory, iPhone 4 has 512
- Android has true Multi Tasking, iOS has a kind-of multitasking
- Android is way more capable of customization
- Desire HD is faster in total, Sense UI looks brilliant, big display, and its cheaper than the iPhone 4
So yeah, Desire HD wins this battle for me.

you also forgot gingerbread, which the DHD will definitly get
gameloft just announced on their twitter page, nova 2, asphalt 6 and dungeon hunter 2 and brother in arms 2 are coming to android as well
i've downloaded all of gameloft games to my DHD including lets golf 2, need for speed shift, reckless racing they all are running super smooth
bottom line is games support on android is only getting better and now with gingerbread games tools we will get even more games
as for support you will get some support from HTC, one or two major updates like the desire/legend and wildifre received froyo, the desire received 2 mantainance updates after froyo so far
this is the first year after that you are on your own this is where rooting and customs roms comes in, if you ask me xda offers more than apple can offer, like the HTC diamond received the latest updates from HTC HD2 and the hero is running froyo with sense, when apple screwed the 3G with the 3.0 update
but yes iphone is easy peasy

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Well, you forgot some stuff:
- iPhone is bound to iTunes / DesireHD just to a plain USB Connection
- SD Card on Desire HD / iPhone doesnt have SD Card, but bigger internal memory
- Desire HD has 768 MB of System Memory, iPhone 4 has 512
- Android has true Multi Tasking, iOS has a kind-of multitasking
- Android is way more capable of customization
- Desire HD is faster in total, Sense UI looks brilliant, big display, and its cheaper than the iPhone 4
So yeah, Desire HD wins this battle for me.
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-Jailbroken iphones dont need itunes
-Iphone 4 32gb has all the space you need
-I dont see how this can be useful
-The way the multitasking is implemented in iphone is better
-Yeah, i agree the android interface can be customised, but DHD's sense is already very very good.
-Like i said, DHD's out-of-the-box interface is much better, but inconsistent across apps. And a themed and customised iphone can look as good as a DHD.
where i live, DHD is only slightly cheaper than iphone 4

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you also forgot gingerbread, which the DHD will definitly get
gameloft just announced on their twitter page, nova 2, asphalt 6 and dungeon hunter 2 and brother in arms 2 are coming to android as well
i've downloaded all of gameloft games to my DHD including lets golf 2, need for speed shift, reckless racing they all are running super smooth
bottom line is games support on android is only getting better and now with gingerbread games tools we will get even more games
as for support you will get some support from HTC, one or two major updates like the desire/legend and wildifre received froyo, the desire received 2 mantainance updates after froyo so far
this is the first year after that you are on your own this is where rooting and customs roms comes in, if you ask me xda offers more than apple can offer, like the HTC diamond received the latest updates from HTC HD2 and the hero is running froyo with sense, when apple screwed the 3G with the 3.0 update
but yes iphone is easy peasy
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Can you please tell me if the gaming quality is as graphically good as iphone 4? from what ive seen, the iphone version of the same game is usually much better

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Can you please tell me if the gaming quality is as graphically good as iphone 4? from what ive seen, the iphone version of the same game is usually much better
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depends on the game reckless is lesser res but much faster than iphone 4
all gameloft games especially the recent ones are as good if not faster in frame rate
but really if you're interest is purely games get the iphone 4, it will always have more games, plus you wont have to wait for them and the android does have a learning curve

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-Jailbroken iphones dont need itunes
-Iphone 4 32gb has all the space you need
-I dont see how this can be useful
-The way the multitasking is implemented in iphone is better
-Yeah, i agree the android interface can be customised, but DHD's sense is already very very good.
-Like i said, DHD's out-of-the-box interface is much better, but inconsistent across apps. And a themed and customised iphone can look as good as a DHD.
where i live, DHD is only slightly cheaper than iphone 4
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Sorry, but im not talking about jailbreaking or rooting, because both will end your warranty. Simple as that, the DHD is much more versatile than the iPhone, out of the box and without hacking.
With hacking, the Android OS is alot more customizable than a rooted iPhone. True story, I know both since all my work buddies have an iPhone since its the companys business phone here. They are all amazed by the amount of customization I can do on my DHD, and of course the speed.
True, Android has its flaws, every OS has, and Android is still pretty fresh on the market.
You dont see the advantages of a SD Card Slot? Well, the advantages are, that you can put the memory easily into a SD Card Reader and read your photos, music and all that stuff on other devices without plugging the Phone everywhere. Plus with SD Cards you can manage multible data storages, and you can choose whatever storage type and size you want. Simple, isnt it? Jeez.
Oh, and you dont see the use of more system memory? That's funny... More system memory usually means to be capeable of running more complex program structures. And higher quality imaging... If thats no use at all, we could all go back to our AMIGA computers and be happy that it just sits there and shows 16 colors or something ^^
Android Multitasking is superior compared to the iphone multitasking. Just go ahead and try some... Like while calling open up your GPS or Google Maps to give the person on the other end directions or adresses. It is so comfortable and easy on my DHD.

Games are the most minor part Of the phone yes iphone wins for games, every thing else is subjective.
For me androids ui makes more sense, and looks cleaner and makes better use of the limited screen space on phones.
I barely use the market, and when I need something an appropriate app is there
Also iphone home cannot match the beauty you can create with something like launcher pro.
As for manufacturer long term support minor issue if you buy a popular device community support is more valuable.
Quite simply android is for people who like to fiddle with the latest and greatest, iphone is for people who either just want it to work and are not inclined to go beyond the average user, or they buy iphone because its fashionable *facepalm*?
In the end you have to pick what is best for you
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

more free apps in the android market, like we got angry birds for free
i also looked it up, the iphone 4 features the SGX535 28M poly per second or roughly 37million triangles per second
adreno 205 on the DHD is 41million triangles or roughly 30M poly per second
also the adreno 205 features a 2D vector accelerator
so the DHD beats it with a small margin, keep in mind the iphone 4 has to produce a higher resolution and hence waste a lot more resources

Short Unbiased Review: Android vs WP7

PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR!
As you can tell from my sig, I have recently acquired a new HD2, flashed and ready with the Windows Phone 7 OS, in addition to my Samsung Vibrant. I will try my best to provide an accurate comparison of WP7 vs Android from an unbiased standpoint, as I show equal likes and dislikes with both OSes and phones. Keep in mind I have a class 6 sd card in the hd2 so it should be just as fast if not faster than the HD7.
Navigation Efficiency/ Smoothness: I must say at first glance, WP7 may seem like a true winner with its GPU accelerated animations and scrolling, both of which are butter smooth. The flips and backflips of screens and icons is nice, as is the rotation swirl, and adds that bit of polish lacking in Android. However, if you look past the animations, you may realize that the Vibrant (modded), does open apps just a bit faster than WP7. The key to WP7 is the eye candy, those animations decrease the delay you may otherwise see with Android phones lacking fancy animation, turn off the animations on both and the Android device will likely open the app first, whether it be browser, Gmail, calculator, calender, etc.
Apps: Android, no doubt. The WP7 app store is sorely lacking apart from a few high quality games and apps such as Netflix. Sure, streaming movies is fun, but what about everything else? Not to mention, the WP7 marketplace strangely lacks a search feature, or just that I didn't dig deep enough.
Browsing: This is really half and half. Smoothness wise, WP7 is a winner with the GPU acceleration, again glass smooth. Page rendering such as Engadget had similar times, with non flash pages the HD2 won easily, but with flash turned off on both, I must say the Vibrant won. Both were connected to wifi at my house, with the Vibrant being 2-3 seconds ahead without flash. At times I question the use of flash on a device lacking hardware acceleration, but then again those white spots on screens where a occasional youtube video shows up on the HD2 is equally if not more annoying than the choppy Android browser. In the end, if you enjoy smoothness and text reading, and perhaps a bit of speed due to the lack of flash, the GPU accelerated WP7 browser will do you well, but if you prefer functionality and watching videos, go with Android 2.2.
I cannot provide information on camera quality due to having an HD2 hacked WP7.
The music player on WP7 is about the same in functionality as the Touchwiz version.
I will gladly provide more information if you need. Remember to click thanks if I helped.

The Windows Search button is context sensitive.
Maybe you're having trouble finding it on the HD2 (keymappings different, etc. /shrugs/ ), but you bring up marketplace search (or search in any app) by simply hitting the search key.
Flash was a huge deal to me, until I see how badly it nerfed the Vibrant's browser performance. Any setting other than off makes the browser perform terribly. The WP7 IE browser runs laps around it. Cutting it off boosts it a bit, but that's terrible since it has Flash Lite before and we didn't have to deal with such terrible performance... I don't hear any of my iPhone-using friends complaining about the lack of Flash.
App are meh. The only thing that matters are complex apps and games. Most mobile apps (non-game) tend to be encapsulations of mobile websites. An Engadget app doesn't make any sense to install, IMO, since I can just go to Engadget.com and the site is optimized for mobile browsers... Same with CNET, etc.
Some apps just aren't worth bringing to WP7. Office apps aren't worth bringing over. NoteTaking apps aren't worth bringing over. SMS Replacement Apps aren't worth bringing over. Exchange Clients. WP7 has Find My Phone/Lock/Wipe functionality built into it, so stuff like LookOut isn't much use (don't care about the sirens, a phone thief/finder will almost always shut the phone off immediately).
I'd say no browser except maybe Skyfire is worth bringing over at this point, because the chances of them outperforming IE on WP7 is slim to none. As far as apps are concerned, WP7 is probably the most consistent (in Look and Feel) and complete OS released to date when it comes to having all this stuff integrated and from a single vendor. Andorid manufacturers usually license different components from dispirate software vendors to "complete" the experience.
Cameras are comparable. Vibrant takes better pictures during the day. HD7 better at night due to the dual flash. The Vibrant tends to get a better framerate on video, but when blown up on a larger screen it looks a bit grainy and washed out (sort of like a painting). The HD7 doesn't suffer that issue, but the framerates are a big lower. I'd say it's a bit of a wash, with a slight edge to the HD7 because the Vibrant simply cannot compete at all in terms of night time picture shooting... It just can't, even with night mode, etc.
As far as the Navigation and smoothness of the system... The animations have nothing to do with it. It's basically iOS performance with extra eye candy to look better. The only thing that lags a bit is scrolling through lists (Android does this as well, but I think the fact that lots of applications load internet data on the fly has something to do with it in some instances) and resuming from apps (which will see significant performance boosts in the March update, among other things).
The animations aren't hiding any lag. We're seriously comparing a phone that lags switching home screens to a phone that can animate pretty much every transition without as much of a hickup. Let's not go there...
The Music Player is not the same functionality wise. WP7 uses Zune. The Vibrant uses the TouchWiz Music/Video player. Zune has FM Radio, can Stream Music if you have Zune Pass, and interfaces with the Zune software on the computer.
Galaxy S has nothing like XBox Live, which is useful even if you don't have any XBL games on your phone because you can send and recieve messages, etc. There are some good games on XBL/Marketplace, though.

I had an hd7,
Wp7 is smoother and more eye candy and better core functions.
Android has apps and open source support.
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I appreciate an actual HD7 owner coming in to improve my points.
And as to the transition animations, it is very likely that those are completely controlled by the gpu while the cpu is controlling the app openings and lifecycles. I seriously doubt that WP7 opens apps instantaneously, instead separating the gpu and cpu tasks for smooth animation while the cpu opens the app.
The Touchwiz music player is similar to that of the IPhone, which is comparable to Zune. I meant comparable, but Zune is milestone above that of the stock android music interface.
Camera on the HD2 really is a meh. Flash pics get overblown due to the dual flash and the pics are a bit grainy even with the replacement ShCameraApp. Most probably software issues, but the HD7 uses the same or similar hardware camera.
The IE browser really is just smoother than the android browser. You won't mind the lack of flash until you come across an embedded youtube video on a page with a black spot.
After the initial surprise by the smoothness of WP7, the lists and tiles do get a little boring.
The thing that bothers me the most is the need for zune to do everything from load pics and videos, to albums and anything onto the phone. Not that zune is bad, but it just hinders an otherwise easy drag and drop.
The HD2 is a keeper for me due to the solid metal and rubber build and its ability to run 4 OSes, 3 natively or almost natively (android, winmo, wp7, and hopefully meego). Plus I got it free from the Executive Response Team, no contract extension either (don't ask, long story).
And N8ter, I was not directly comparing WP7 to the Vibrant since I came from a Nexus One, but gave it up due to several power button failures and screen burn ins.

Yes the hd2 is the dev device of the century, the hd7 is just a slick version of it with a kickstand.
I loved the wp7 everything about it I just couldn't deal with lack of good app support.
It just works, well. No roms or anything needed.
That being said android has more possibilities and capabilities and of course dev support
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Android is the new windows mobile in my eyes. It has better marketing but the same problems with wm are still present. Lack of manufactures support, drivers for custom roms, and mostly manufactors adding there crapware on top of a great os.
I personally needed a break from Android and specifically the vibrant. I was constantly trying to fix problems. I think Android needs to set some rules/guidelines for OEMs that have the resources to put out great product. Open source is great for the community but letting companies put out crap with googles Android written crossed it.
I too tried wp7 on my hd2 and was surprised at the user interface. Almost lag free device, and no need to change SMS, browser, music player etc. Everything works great out of the box besides YouTube. I've only installed slacker, flashlight, wp7 tapatalk, news/ RSS reader, Google voice and that's about it.
I will be back to Android later in the year but for now I just need something that works. With me bring a heavy user I was able to get thru a full day on a single charge.
I will miss my screen a little, my torrent app, and my remote desktop app. Out of all the apps in Android maybe 20 apps were useful to me besides pulling out the ruler vs my friends.
Zune computer software is great. Syncs extremely fast and haven't had a problem yet. No more fighting with my external sd.
Things that are important to me:
Browser
Music
Google voice
Text and email
Little facebook/twitter.
Battery life.
A couple snap shots occasionally
Wp7 does these with no problem.
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I don't think any Mobile OS or device should be dependent on third-party dev support to make the phone function as advertised. That is part of the issue with Android (not as a whole, but specific [even most] manufacturers). The initial Honeycomb tablets may be different, though, since the manufacturers aren't initially skinning the OS.
The Motorola ATRIX, with all its great hardware goodness, lagged it's way to a 9/10 (cause it has lots of accessories?!) on Engadget. Maybe when their brain catches up (apparently lagging as well) they will get around to giving it a believable rating...
These reviews have been unchanging for the past year, year and a half. No matter how much hardware you throw at Android: "phone lags a lot", "you should be able to get a day out of it with moderate usage (some phones piss the users off if they have to charge more than ever other day - smartphones mind you)" "bad UI yada yada" "skin this and that" "still running older version but update coming *soon*".
XPLANE9 said:
I appreciate an actual HD7 owner coming in to improve my points.
And as to the transition animations, it is very likely that those are completely controlled by the gpu while the cpu is controlling the app openings and lifecycles. I seriously doubt that WP7 opens apps instantaneously, instead separating the gpu and cpu tasks for smooth animation while the cpu opens the app.
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Hardware accelleration means graphics processing is offloaded to the GPU. Apps open as fast as they do on any other mobile OS, and faster than others. Of course if you're running a mobile game with (relatively) large files to load when it starts up this will not happen instantly. The use of the term instantaneous wasn't really meant to be taken uber literally...
Android runs less efficiently on better hardware because the system taxes the CPU more, since the GPU is going unused as far as the general UI/widgets are concerned. This is why the devices are usually overspecced and/or have functionality ripped out of them.
One of the biggest failures of Samsung was releasing this phone with such great GPU hardware in it, but not putting hardware accelleration into their firmware. Perhaps if they had done that the system would have run a bit smoothly. Nothing could save it from RFS, however.
The Touchwiz music player is similar to that of the IPhone, which is comparable to Zune. I meant comparable, but Zune is milestone above that of the stock android music interface.
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I'm talking beyond the user interface. I'm accounting for functionality as well The TouchWiz music player is not comparable to iPod Touch in the iPhone. DoubleTwist makes an app that looks like iTunes, but iTunes obviously blows it away when it comes to features and functionality, for example.
Camera on the HD2 really is a meh. Flash pics get overblown due to the dual flash and the pics are a bit grainy even with the replacement ShCameraApp. Most probably software issues, but the HD7 uses the same or similar hardware camera.
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The HD2's camera is actually pretty bad. I'm sure the cameras are similar, they are both 5MP cameras with 720p. But, I'm also sure they aren't the same, because the picture qualities are IMO a bit too different for that to be the case (even across multiple OSes on the HD2). That being said, I've never done a teardown, so I don't know for sure.
If anyone wants a great camera on a phone, it would behoove them to get an N8. That phone can compete with some DSLRs when it comes to picture quality.
The IE browser really is just smoother than the android browser. You won't mind the lack of flash until you come across an embedded youtube video on a page with a black spot.
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I went from Vibrant to HD7 and don't mind the lack of flash. Flash, IMO, was not ready for mobile devices when it was released for Android. It's too bloated and resource intensive. It has this same issue on the desktop, but fortunately those machines are powerful enough to just shrug it off in most cases. Flash 10.2 is supposed to bring hardware accelleration, but I'm not sure how much that will help Galaxy S devices...
It causes a lot of Pinch-Zoom and Pan lag, and scrolling on a page with a few flash artifacts on it can be a PITA on some websites.
I do know some sites that crash the Android browser 100% of the time, though...
In the case of moving from Android to WP7, the lack of Flash was actually a bonus for me. If the Vibrant had shipped without Flash (needed it from the market) and Flash Lite was also available in the market, I'd probably have just installed Flash Lite 5 minutes after installing the FroYo update and trying Flash. The irony, though, is that Flash Lite worked for most of the crap that I needed Flash for... I regret even asking for [full] Flash.
After the initial surprise by the smoothness of WP7, the lists and tiles do get a little boring.
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9 of the tiles on my WP7 home screen are Live. I'll take Live Tiles and normal tiles over walls of icon and widgets with no unified Look and Feel cluttered across 3-7 Home screens. Don't really care about the list. IIRC Android has an option to make the App "Page" a list as well...
The thing that bothers me the most is the need for zune to do everything from load pics and videos, to albums and anything onto the phone. Not that zune is bad, but it just hinders an otherwise easy drag and drop.
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A phone is not a USB thumb drive.
Yes, however managing media on a WP7 or iOS device is much better than on Android, where this sort of stuff is non-existent in the stock builds and requires you to duplicate tons of functionality on the device, set defaults, etc.
There is DoubleTwist, whose Desktop App runs like a 1200lb Gorilla from my experiences (at least on Windows - I thought it was my computer, but I have 5 computers; fortunately), requires a redundant media player to be installed, and sells WiFi media synching (free in Zune).
WinAmp has media synching, but again requires a redundant media player.
WiFi Synching, Automatic Transcoding to the best possible format, etc. This is all done transparently. Once Microsoft Adds Skydrive support and that other stuff in Mango, I don't forsee many complaints about WP7.
But even now, it's a very polished experience. I even prefer the notifications on WP7 to Android, and I don't have to worry about numbers getting burnt into the top of my screen anymore.
The HD2 is a keeper for me due to the solid metal and rubber build and its ability to run 4 OSes, 3 natively or almost natively (android, winmo, wp7, and hopefully meego). Plus I got it free from the Executive Response Team, no contract extension either (don't ask, long story).
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Yes, it's a great device that ran well even on WM. Marred by bad QA on the part of HTC. I never saw a reason to run another or a non-stock OS on my HD2s, personally.
And N8ter, I was not directly comparing WP7 to the Vibrant since I came from a Nexus One, but gave it up due to several power button failures and screen burn ins.
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Meh, this is the Vibrant forum
All that said, I have all three phones and can choose to use whichever one I please whenever I want to. The Vibrant and the HD7 both have active SIM Cards in them with Data plans, so I can care less what anyone else choose, likes, dislikes, or doesn't choose. I don't have to choose anything, I just have to "prefer at that specific moment." XD

Kinda funny comparing a HD7 to a vibrant. Consider the Vibrant is now 9 months on the market and older tech than the HD7 2 months on the market.
So, The only things I have seen that i would like on the Android platform that the HD7 has over Vibrant
1. A better voice command
2. Flash on the camera
3. More user friendly custom contact menu (add custom ringtones and pics)
4. The Browser revised to integrate flash better.
5. Improve on the sound by adding a onboard equalizer.
That would make the phone alot more ZAPPY..... The S2 maybe ?

The HD7 is using HD2/Nexus One-level hardware. So the hardware is really like 6 months older than what's in the Vibrant. I have no clue how you can say the Vibrant has older tech than the HD7...
The S2 will be snappier than the Vibrant, but most likely because in typical Android OEM fashion, they will just throw hardware at it.
If the ATRIX 4G is any indicator, I don't expect this hardware to make too much of an impact. I think as time goes on Android's performance issues will start to work against it.
It's getting harder and harder to find a performant device and people make fun of Android because it is universally known as a laggy smartphone OS (check out BB or iOS forums, among others, and see).

Got rid of it ... sorry

I really wanted to like the Motorola Razr I. It was my first new phone after having a Samsung Galaxy S (very first one) and at the beginning I was really excited. The body felt nice and better than my old Galaxy S. Having Jelly Bean on my Galaxy S, The software on the Razr I felt like a step back. I didn't mind having Ice Cream Sandwich, because Jelly Bean was already promised for our phone, but for a reason I didn't have that nice feeling of having a new phone.
The problems I had:
- Not all apps are compatible with the Razr I, some apps I bought (like Rebuild, or Triple Town) were not working at all!
- Lags and music stuttering
- Volume too low
- GPS coordinates were all over the place, in Navigon it would constandly point me on the wrong street (this was actually the nail in the coffin)
So after all those problems occured, I found a nice deal on a Galaxy S 3 and gave my Razr I back and never looked back. Everything from the above list works and as a plus I have a bigger screen and Jelly Bean. Plus the community seems to be bigger.
So for me, Intel cpus are not ready for prime time yet.

RAZRi is not a phone for just... having a phone, is a phone for fiddling out, I knew very well that there where some incompatibilities, but to be honest all of my programs work so far except for 2 games and 1 emulator: Chaos Rings from Square Enix and the n64 emu. I have no stuttering in music (poweramp and folderplayer) nor any lag in the system. I have the swap internal memory for sdcard applied and I don't have to worry about space, the volume is to high for me (coming from a G1) and navigation is ok for me (RMAPS) so... the problems that you describe are quite weird.
(Please note, I bought this phone used, it was a demo phone on a store, not even with that has a flaw except for the program compatibility)

I don't have any issues with the phone.
All the apps i need to have all work with my razr i apart from flash (i dont need), bbc media player, n64 emulator and barclays app. I haven't really come across any compatibility issues.
Yeah the music stutters but it not bad my htc did that too and btw thats just a bug with the play music app. playerpro is a great alternative.
The volume is not at all low
GPS for me is amazing although the accuracy never really gets below 30 feets and the compass could be a little faster.
I love the stock android look on it even without jellybean I get bored of my one x for this and that has a bigger screen, not intel, and has jelly bean.

I don't have the problems you have, but i don't like my razr i as much as i thought, too.
Got it after my Desire HD had a partly-scattered screen, shut down time and time again when WIFI was activated, sensors were not working anymore etc.
I bought the razr i to be reliable. The stock launcher froze the widgets up to 3 times a day, had to restart it every time. Changed to Nova Launcher Prime again. Now i miss the "real" quick settings to pull down (they are apps for that, but many switches are only links (e.g. GPS). My AUX Port has a loose contact, too. When i walk, often the music stops because the razr i thinks, there are no headphones connected anymore.
A few days ago, i took out my old Desire HD. Even though it was big and can't be used single-handed, i think of buying an used HTC HD2, as i miss messing around with roms and always wanted to try out Windows Phone 7. I think i will only use it as backup device, but maybe i would sell the razr i and use the HD2 as everyday device for a few months, until i find another phone that suits me.
Anyway, wouldn't buy an S3 because i neither like the look nor quality of it.

Too bad. I don't know why you had problems with Navigon. I recently used the same software to navigate from UK to Poland and back and it worked perfectly. It even got me out of trouble when by mistake i took the wrong turn in Belgium and put me back on the right track in no time.

I love my RAZRi.
Best phone I've ever had in my view. I haven't had any of these issues mentioned at all. The navigation is fantastic and due to the RAZRi battery performance I have now sold my old SatNav unit and use the RAZRi all the time.
I'm sorry you haven't had the same experience I have had with the phone
Sent from my XT890 using xda app-developers app

I'm coming from a Droid 3 and of course miss the great keyboard. But I REALLY LOVE the Razr i! Perfect size, perfect build quality (no plastic crap!), volume is perfect, perfect signal and awesome battery life!
I am in contact with the developer of epsxe the Playstation Emulator and I am currently testing an x86 build of it, it's running absolutely great, with no framelimiter i get 150-200 fps! I love this phone, really.
Also yesterday while celebrating the new year I was absolutely happy with the camera performance, shooting several photos with flash in a few seconds is absolutely great!
Edit: If you are looking for emulators that have x86 builds have a look at Robert Broglias Emulators, they are great! https://play.google.com/store/apps/...GwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5leHBsdXNhbHBoYS5HYmFFbXUiXQ..

I'm coming from a Milestone2 and me too I'm missing the querty keyboard but this razr i is superb!
Fast, light, great shape and size!
The camera is very good too. (EDIT: If light conditions are good. Otherway it's good but not like other top smarthpones. Anyway don't expect bad pictures!)
It isn't the best phone but I guess there is no best phone! We can only find the best phone for our needs. I found mine!

"found a nice deal on a Galaxy S 3 and gave my Razr I back and never looked back. Everything from the above list works and as a plus I have a bigger screen and Jelly Bean."
Minus battery life, minus browsing speed, minus space in your pocket, minus premium feel.
Why didnt u buy the nexus 7 tablet it is faster and BIGGER?
I understand that people who want to play arent satisfied with a phone thats clearly not meant to play but your arguments are kinda weak. If u told us u bought an iphone for stability, eco system and/or style i wouldv said have fun with it its a great phone but i cant call that big piece of junk samsung built this time a great phone, its just big.
The apps u name arent apps but games, again: why didnt u buy a nexus7 which is an outstanding device to play with.
I cant speak for navigon but i used copilot 2weaks earlier without any problems.
"The camera is very good too.!"
Its not, its alright but its not good, i dunno a mobile phone cam that i could call good.
"- Lags and music stuttering"
I cant comment on that since i dont use that google crap app yet, maybe in a couple of months when they got it out of alpha status ill try but till then i still love my player pro.

purplet said:
"found a nice deal on a Galaxy S 3 and gave my Razr I back and never looked back. Everything from the above list works and as a plus I have a bigger screen and Jelly Bean."
Minus battery life, minus browsing speed, minus space in your pocket, minus premium feel.
Why didnt u buy the nexus 7 tablet it is faster and BIGGER?
I understand that people who want to play arent satisfied with a phone thats clearly not meant to play but your arguments are kinda weak. If u told us u bought an iphone for stability, eco system and/or style i wouldv said have fun with it its a great phone but i cant call that big piece of junk samsung built this time a great phone, its just big.
The apps u name arent apps but games, again: why didnt u buy a nexus7 which is an outstanding device to play with.
I cant speak for navigon but i used copilot 2weaks earlier without any problems.
"The camera is very good too.!"
Its not, its alright but its not good, i dunno a mobile phone cam that i could call good.
"- Lags and music stuttering"
I cant comment on that since i dont use that google crap app yet, maybe in a couple of months when they got it out of alpha status ill try but till then i still love my player pro.
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Well said

Indeed, well said.
Obviously, there are a few phones with good cameras but it's really sparse (my last one had a good camera, HP Pre 3; limited shooting options but the quality impressed quite a lot of people, took some stunning shots with it) and I don't really care about it either because I have my DSLR for that.
I do use the camera on the Razr i for shooting a picture here and there when I don't have my DSLR with me or just to share something I saw on Twitter (which my DSLR can't; I have no Galaxy Camera lol). And for that it does the job. Not amazing pictures but good enough.

purplet said:
"found a nice deal on a Galaxy S 3 and gave my Razr I back and never looked back. Everything from the above list works and as a plus I have a bigger screen and Jelly Bean."
Minus battery life, minus browsing speed, minus space in your pocket, minus premium feel.
Why didnt u buy the nexus 7 tablet it is faster and BIGGER?
I understand that people who want to play arent satisfied with a phone thats clearly not meant to play but your arguments are kinda weak. If u told us u bought an iphone for stability, eco system and/or style i wouldv said have fun with it its a great phone but i cant call that big piece of junk samsung built this time a great phone, its just big.
The apps u name arent apps but games, again: why didnt u buy a nexus7 which is an outstanding device to play with.
I cant speak for navigon but i used copilot 2weaks earlier without any problems.
"The camera is very good too.!"
Its not, its alright but its not good, i dunno a mobile phone cam that i could call good.
"- Lags and music stuttering"
I cant comment on that since i dont use that google crap app yet, maybe in a couple of months when they got it out of alpha status ill try but till then i still love my player pro.
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The reason why I didnt buy a Nexus 7 is obvious. I wanted a phone and not a tablet. The Nexus 4 on the other side would have been a good phone, if it wasn't for the small internal storage.
Anyway, regarding the stuttering. I wasn't using the Google Music App. I am using PowerAMP which was doing a fine job on the Galaxy S and again on the Galaxy S3. So it must be Razr Is fault. I also don't know why my GPS was so bad on the Razr I. If i didn't have those 2 problems, I might have kept the phone because I really wanted to like it. But those 2 problems plus the compatibility issue were deal breakers for me.
I must say, the Razr I has amazing battery life but I am also happy with the battery life of my Galaxy S3. If worse comes to worst, I could still swap the battery for a fully charged one, which is not possible with the Razr I
Anyway, I hope you guys will stay happy with your Razr I as I am happy with my S3

Just to give my opinion, after two weeks of testing.
Also note that my previous phone was an HTC Desire HD, which I miss a lot but ... the RAZR i is way better and has those advantages:
- it is fast, rom is very responsive, there is just a minor lag when opening the toggle screen for the first time (after reboot)
- battery is very good (more than 1 day with a moderate use, at least 8 hours with a lot of gaming/streaming/videos/camero with flash/web etc.)
- the size is perfect for me, SIII and similar phone are too big for me
- build quality is just awesome! sorry but many of my friends own an SIII, and the plastic quality is simply crap!
- the Moto's ROM is nearly a pure android one
- I didn't have any problem with an application (compatibility is ok, just a few app does not work: SongPop Free for example)
- the camera button is very handy
- the camera quality is ok and relatively fast (don't forget that's a phone...)
- gaming is ok (I'm not a hardcore gamer on phones )
- GPS fix is extremely fast and accurate compared to my DHD. I can even get a fix inside buildings, but accuracy is not good then, which is normal. Outside, GPS fix is done within 3-5 seconds.
- the phone speaker is good and loud enough (for a phone)
- the GSM reception is very good and stable
- the audio quality during calls is very clear
I use Poweramp without any problem, I'm an audiophile and I can tell that the audio quality is very good. But don't use the bundled earphones... very bad quality! I never noticed stuttering, neither wither Poweramp nor with Google play, and I really listen to music all the time.
Toggles from the notification are not an Android standard. HTC Sense, TouchWiz and Cyanogenmod add those buttons ! So please, don't say you miss them!
However, it's true that I miss the toggles too, and I don't like the way the Moto launcher works. To change this: Widgetsoid for notification and more widgets, and Apex/Nova for the launcher.
The big default of this phone is the lack of the usb mass storage. I'm a Linux user and the MTP protocol does not work well and is very complicated to easy integrate with your desktop. But I also use Windows 7, and absolutely no problem with this. (update: this issue may be resolved by using the PTP mode instead, I still need testing)
Now I'm waiting for the JB update and hope that the dev will follow with some amazing ROMs (update: update is coming!! )
To conclude, to me, according to the price and the build quality, this is probably the best mid-range phone (nearly high-end) of the moment.
I probably would have bought a Nexus 4 if it was not out of stock, but I really don't regret my purchase at all, this phone is awesome!
Update: I just had a freeze yesterday, neither buttons nor screen were responding. I had to 'hard reboot' by pressing both power and volume down for a few seconds to reset the phone. This is the issue I had since I bought it on the 28th of December.

50/50 with you
In one hand I expected more from this phone, in terms of software ICS 4.04 now a days is a old OS, Motorola is not taking care of the phone and this bad joke of the SD card is juts to.... ask then why you **** like this ICS.
In other hand the phone is build with very good materials better materials than the Nexus 4,is fast as the faster phone in the market performing the common task of every day is handy and has a very good camera if you know how to take pictures, not forgeting that is a phone.
So I'm happy with the phone I've tested for weeks phones like Nexus Prime, htc one x+, lumia 900 and iPhone 5 and any of them make me think that I should change my razr i, all of them have bad things and good things but in my opinion there is no a phone which could impress me in a way that the iPhone 2G did to me.

And after all, the perfect phone does not exist ...
I personally find that the RAZR i perfectly fits my needs, but it is not the perfect phone
And yes, I forgot this: the way the sdcard is mounted totally sucks !
About the update, a JB leak for a the old RAZR can be found. So, I guess that a much more recent device like the RAZR i will soon receive JB.

ciberbeb said:
Just to give my opinion, after two weeks of testing.
Also note that my previsous phone was an HTC Desire HD, which I miss a lot but ... the RAZR i is way better and has those advantages:
- it is fast, rom is very responsive, there is just a minor lag when opening the toggle screen for the first time (after reboot)
- battery is very good
- the size is perfect for me, SIII and similar phone are too big for me
- build quality is just awesome ! sorry but many of my friends own an SIII, and the plastic quality is simply crap !
- the Moto's ROM is nearly a pure android one
- I didn't have any problem with an application (compatibility is ok)
- the camera button is very handy
- the camera is ok and relatively fast
- gaming is ok (I'm not a hardcore gamer on phones )
- GPS fix is extremely fast and accurate compared to my DHD. I can even get a fix inside buildings, but accuracy is not good then, which is normal. Outside, GPS fix is done within 3-5 seconds.
- the phone speaker is good (for a phone)
- the GSM reception is very good and stable
- the audio quality during calls is very clear
I use Poweramp without any problem, I'm an audiophile and I can tell that the audio quality is very good. But don't use the bundled earphones... totally cheap ! I never noticed stuttering, neither wither Poweramp nor with Google play, and I really listen to music all the time.
Toggles from the notification are not an Android standard. HTC Sense, TouchWiz and Cyanogenmod add those buttons ! So please, don't say you miss them !
However, it's true that I miss the toggles too, and I don't like the way the Moto launcher works. To change this: Widgetsoid for notification and more widgets, and NovaLauncher for the launcher.
The big default of this phone is the lack of the usb mass storage. I'm a Linux user and the MTP protocol does not work well and is very complicated to easy integrate with your desktop. But I also use Windows 7, and absolutely no problem with this.
Now I'm waiting for the JB update and hope that the dev will follow with some amazing ROMs
To conclude, to me, according to the price and the build quality, this is probably the best mid-range phone (nearly high-end) of the moment.
I probably would have bought a Nexus 4 if it was not out of stock, but I don't regret my purchase at all.
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I had that MTP problem with Honeycomb but since ICS I don't got that problem. And I'm an Ubuntu user so also Linux. Razr i mounts fine via mass storage on Ubuntu 12.04

Vistaus said:
I had that MTP problem with Honeycomb but since ICS I don't got that problem. And I'm an Ubuntu user so also Linux. Razr i mounts fine via mass storage on Ubuntu 12.04
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I'm using Archlinux, totally up to date, I may have missed something...
Do you have the mass storage option on your RAZR i? That would be weird...
What library do you use? because the most common one, libmtp, has an opened issue for this device. The RAZR i is not yet marked as "known".
I had a strange behavior under Windows: I had to switch between MTP and PTP a few times to make it work again on my laptop. I'll try again after work