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Is the Androind OS and the N1 overrated? I think it is!

FIRST: the intention of this post it not to flame. These is just my point of view and I would love to hear some other people’s point of view.
This is just an observation from a real cell phone junkie who is coming from WinMo and iPhone to android and is a bit disappointed.
It just feels like the Android platform is overrated and half baked. While it has its “Google apps” advantage, most of the other parts of it are seriously lacking.
Coming from an iPhone(which I hated because of apple’s dictatorship and because it feels like a dumbphone) and the HD2, which is a brilliant device with a very capable OS which has stability issues and lack of new useful apps development, I wanted to try something new with Android. It should have been the prefect mix between openness and development of new useful apps (which WinMo lacks). So far I have been nothing but disappointed.
Some of the issue I noticed and why I think Android is really overrated are:
- Very low end apps. Most of them are poorly designed and unstable. There are a few good apps but none from the major players.
- BUGGY apps!!! One of the reason WinMo was failing is because of cross device support for apps. Apps that would work on one device would not work on another because of different hardware chipsets. I was sure that Google would see this is a point of failure and will make sure this won’t happen with Android. WRONG: almost every app I downloaded has bugs and is not working properly with the N1 and if you just read the comments for the various apps you see the horror. So many people complain about FC’s and instability of the apps. This means that Google simply failed in this area and there is no real cross device support. Each app needs to be tweaked to work on each hardware set to get it right. This is going to be a huge point of failure for the platform.
- Crippled copy and paste. Seriously? You can’t copy and paste from everywhere in version 2.1??? didn’t they learn from apple?
- No built in Tethering. Again this is OS version 2.1 and there is no tethering option unless you root you phone.
- Feels sluggish at time: even on a 1Ghz processor the phone does feel sluggish at time (and yes I close my apps with task manager). Some say it is because the RAM was not fully utilized in this OS. Why have Google released a phone that suppose to have 512MB RAM with only half active? Didn’t they think it would cause bad experience?
- Very poor multimedia support: and I mean VERY poor. Even the built in YouTube Video player will not rescale the video to show on the entire screen if the video was not encoded specifically to the N1 resolution, not to mention other video apps who will NEVER show videos at full screen as they were designed for lower resolutions. There is really no way to watch DIVX or XVID and everything needs to be converted. There are dozens of media players on the market and NONE can do either tasks! And yxflash, the only player that can supposedly play DIVX is doing such a poor job it is a joke. WinMo has ONE player that beats all dozens on the android market. I read somewhere it isrelated to the SDK being very limited in Multimedia. I find it hard to believe that Google is trying to compete with apple witch such a poor Multimedia support. I even purchased OrbLive and the picture quality is extremely poor because they were forced to use the only codec that Android can support for streaming which is 3gp and has very poor quality.
- No big brand name apps: Skype, Sling and many other big brands are simply not there. I know you can use Fring as an alternative (or Nimbuzz) but both are very buggy and have delay when using skype calling. You also can’t turn off the screen when you use the VOIP apps as it is causing the sound to break.
- VPN: very poor support. I can’t get the connection to stay connected while it works just fine on the HD2 and iPhone. The latest software update from Google completely broke VPN support and now it won’t connect at all.
- There is no real way to backup all you apps AND settings of the apps unless you have rooted your phone. If you want to upgrade your ROM or change ROM’s you need to reinstall everything (unless you are rooted and then you can backup your apps settings as well). This is something that should be implemented out of the box. WinMo has exactly the same problem.
- Failure in the gaming area. There are maybe 20 good games on the Market that actually use OpenGL 3d. other games look like they are from the mid 90s. I was hoping to see better games on Android than on WinMo. I guess I was wrong here as well.
I wanted to like Android, I really did, and maybe it will get better with time, however currently it has exactly the issues as WinMo phones has (buggy apps mainly, some OS slowdowns ) and if Google is not going to address these issues they will find themselves in the same position as Microsoft is finding itself now.
For now I’ll have to go back using my HD2 and just wait until Android gets a little better and more usable for me. I just really don’t understand people hate WinMo so much if Android is not much better (at least from my consumer standpoint).
Thanks for reading.

Number one reason and the only one I need to hate WinMo is Internet Exploder. It's broken badly. They had better fix this in 7 or they are done. The fact that you have to use a third party browser to do anything useful is total BS.
I think for most people, who don't want to think to hard, Iphone OS is probably a better choice. The interface is dead simple and there are a ton of apps. Most people won't realize that they are being fenced in.

The majority of your rambling is about apps. I don't think anyone overrates Android's app catalog. Everyone knows it's much smaller than the iPhone's.
It's not overrated in the way that people tend to praise it, which is openness and customization.

I agree on IE but like the fact that you can chose various browsers.

App support is dreadful compared to the Iphone but you have to look at the sales figures in ITMS vs. Market; $ = incentive. Yes right now it's apples and oranges but when someone is researching what device to buy and what carrier to swear allegiance to for 2 years, there are certain variables considered.
Take a heavy facebook user. The iphone fbook app is solid. Yes it has issues, but compared to the android solution, there is no contest. The fact that you have to use m.facebook.com when linking from your notifications panel in android is quite unacceptable (just one of many issues people have brought up). Pandora on the iphone is also quite a bit better than on android.
I disagree in regards to your comment about the phone being snappy. I have my old iphone 3g and my nexus 1 sitting side by side and real world feel says that the n1 wins in performance.
For me there are two things I wish were present with the nexus one/androidOS that are present on the iphone.
1 - app support. That is targeting android.
2 - the keyboard. For some reason I can type far more accurately and with greater speed on the iphone than on my n1. Not a deal breaker at all
You bring up tethering. There is no native tethering on the iphone without jailbreaking or paying for an app (pdanet) for the official stateside carrier (att). Your nexus one has the ability to install pdanet and you can tether all you want at a small price. Of course, you can root your phone and suddenly this ask is satisfied; just like jailbreaking and updating your carrier file.
If you want to talk about setbacks; how about the lack of MMS for the first gen iphones while the 3g/3gs both have this. No reason whatsoever to not include the functionality in the 2g other than slow deprecation of support for the phone...that just sucks.
There are plenty of solid games in Market for your device. I had to watch a video "50 android games" to be made aware of quite a few of these tiles.
For me, nothing you wrote kept me from migrating back to android after spending a year with an iphone (g1->iphone->n1; the entire time I had the iphone I missed my g1) But I am not the target audience device manufs are going after...almost nobody here is.
All your points are valid and are what the atypical customer thinks about, cares about and bases their monetary decisions on.
Good post

deprecate said:
App support is dreadful compared to the Iphone but you have to look at the sales figures in ITMS vs. Market; $ = incentive. Yes right now it's apples and oranges but when someone is researching what device to buy and what carrier to swear allegiance to for 2 years, there are certain variables considered.
Take a heavy facebook user. The iphone fbook app is solid. Yes it has issues, but compared to the android solution, there is no contest. The fact that you have to use m.facebook.com when linking from your notifications panel in android is quite unacceptable (just one of many issues people have brought up). Pandora on the iphone is also quite a bit better than on android.
I disagree in regards to your comment about the phone being snappy. I have my old iphone 3g and my nexus 1 sitting side by side and real world feel says that the n1 wins in performance.
For me there are two things I wish were present with the nexus one/androidOS that are present on the iphone.
1 - app support. That is targeting android.
2 - the keyboard. For some reason I can type far more accurately and with greater speed on the iphone than on my n1. Not a deal breaker at all
You bring up tethering. There is no native tethering on the iphone without jailbreaking or paying for an app (pdanet) for the official stateside carrier (att). Your nexus one has the ability to install pdanet and you can tether all you want at a small price. Of course, you can root your phone and suddenly this ask is satisfied; just like jailbreaking and updating your carrier file.
If you want to talk about setbacks; how about the lack of MMS for the first gen iphones while the 3g/3gs both have this. No reason whatsoever to not include the functionality in the 2g other than slow deprecation of support for the phone...that just sucks.
There are plenty of solid games in Market for your device. I had to watch a video "50 android games" to be made aware of quite a few of these tiles.
For me, nothing you wrote kept me from migrating back to android after spending a year with an iphone (g1->iphone->n1; the entire time I had the iphone I missed my g1) But I am not the target audience device manufs are going after...almost nobody here is.
All your points are valid and are what the atypical customer thinks about, cares about and bases their monetary decisions on.
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Thanks for all the replies.
However please keep in mind that in my original post, i was hardly making any comparison to the iPhone and at the end of my post i stated that i am going back to the HD2 . The iPhone is the last platform i am going back to, even with all the apps. i Just cant keep with the Apple / Jailbreakers game and all the limitations.
You do have native tethering on the iPhone, only it is disabled because at&t does not want you to have it. in other countries it works out of the box. no Jailbreak needed.
I agree that market share = incentive for developers however i am a bit worried that with the current state of the SDK, we will see the same old issues with cross device support for apps, and this is exactly where WinMo failed and the iPhone won (because there is only one device to support (chipset wise), so far)
If only the apps that are in the market now would work better, my point of view will be much different.
I want to use Skype, OK there is no real skype app so i tried to use Fring...DELAY on the call. unusable. I tried to use Nimbuzz, it is better but you cant turn off the screen so the battery dies fast.
I want to watch a movie > need to convert.
I want to watch live TV > there is still not a single app that can actually do this. ORB's app is really bad at the current version.
I want to tether > need to root (i am ok with this) but wireless tether never connected to my laptop. unusable. Wired tether worked fine.
I did watch the 50 best games on Android Video and the are in par with WinMo's games and so far WinMo is giving better usability. but the OS is not so stable hehe...
I guess there is no perfect phone.
Overall is the lack of actual functionally is what killed it for me. I hope it will get better in the future and then i can give it another try

as you said, there is no perfect phone. but give it a little time, android is only a year old after all. i for one have little to no problems with FCs from any of the apps i'm using, so it also depends on what you like to do with your phone.
my main issue atm. is the lack of good bluetooth enabled voice dialing (and lack of any voice dialing at all for non-english users).
and the pet peeve would be the missing framework for the trackball colors.
other than that i'm really enjoiying the relative openess of the platform, and having cyanogen as a developer

Tether without root with PDAnet. This program works great.

Looks like the OP need's to have a read over yonder
There's also been a great deal of talk in the development forum regarding new openGL support in 2.0.
App space has been limited in android and thats a factor, but this is being resolved and we will start to see more 'pretty' applications, but I would argue that android has just as many useful and good applications as the iPhone.

The ONLY windows mobile device that I would trade my Nexus One for is an HD2. It'd be a tough decision though. My touch pro 2 was fun from a customization stand point because I seemed to flash a new rom at least once every couple of days. However, it was painful to use, it was slow, required frequent restarts, work-arounds galore, etc etc. Android may have some bugs, but I have far less trouble with day to day use with my Nexus than I did with my TP2. The hardware power of the HD2 would probably alleviate the thing that killed the TP2 for me and that was the annoying speed (or lack thereof).
Iphone OS is boring, but it works reliably. Safari mobile on my Ipod touch is a great browsing experience (nexus is better though, simply due to the power).
The only major problem I have with Android 2.1 on my nexus is its lack of full exchange support. However, if I really cared that much about it I would drop the $20 to get Touchdown and be done with it. Oh, and I would really love it if a full version of Epocrates made its way to android sometime soon.
This is of course for my uses, and in my experience. Therefore, I am just adding my opinion to the bunch...

Firstly, how can you say the N1 is laggy? Seriously? Especially compared to a WinMo device, and even the iPhone 3GS. The N1 is hands down the fastest smart phone I have ever used, whether it be my own personally owned smart phone, or one I was testing for work. Most actions are instant or near instant in their result, and the only time I find myself waiting at all is when data transfer from the network is involved, and it does that faster on my N1 than any other phone I have tried! Actually, I can load some websites faster than my computer, and I am not talking about sites that use flash either.
Secondly, yes a 1 year old OS platform does not have the same level of app support that a 4 year old platform has(iPhone/iTouch) or a decade old platform (WM). However, it is an open source platform that is growing quickly. While not all 15K apps are perfect for every device, this is true of the WM platform and the iPhone platform. There are plenty of great apps, that don't reqiure root.
Thirdly, the Android OS supports the same media playback functions as the iPhone OS... and actually can handle more in some regards. The N1 will have native flash support someday(hopefully very soon), where as Apple has picked a fight with Adobe, and likely never will have flash support. To say the Android OS, and the N1 falls short in multi-media compared to the iPhone is ignorant, to say the least. WM does support more formats, but at the same time that is a result of a OS in developement a lot longer than Android, as well the current Android OS can support Divx, et al, but companies like CorePlayer do not want to make an app until this support is in the SDK natively, and CorePlayer has pointed out they are working closely with Google, and it looks as though Android 2.5(Froyo).
Fourthly, as someone that sells cell phones for a living, the Android OS is the best smart phone OS for me to sell to consumers by a long ways. It is much more functional than the BB OS, yet maintains the ease of use. iPhone OS lacks most of the top smart phone functions, and WinMo is too slow and buggy. While 3rd party apps are not perfect, this is true of any platform, and at least with Android it will force close instead of freeze the phone. As well, the apps that are quality work very well and blow most other stuff out of the water, ie CameraFX. I have yet to have a customer complain that a free app wasn't working right... nor complain that the phones were buggy.

I was someone that came from winmo.
Android is much more polished than wimo, but it's barebones out of the box.
Winmo is much more packed with utilities out of the box, but lacks the polish of android.
That has alot to do with the timeframes of when these things derived. Android thrives on the "there's an app for that!" ecosystem.
Up until winmo (6.1?) there was no place to just get a quick app, so MS had to implement more things to give a better out of box experience. Too bad they lacked cleanliness.

Yes, Android has bugs and Yes, Market is poor compared to iPhone. But if you sum things up, I think Android wins. And Nexus wins as well, since I has the best hardware on the market today (or one of the best) 1Ghz CPU + AMOLED display + big resolution

Sorry, double post.

- There is no real way to backup all you apps AND settings of the apps unless you have rooted your phone. If you want to upgrade your ROM or change ROM’s you need to reinstall everything (unless you are rooted and then you can backup your apps settings as well). This is something that should be implemented out of the box. WinMo has exactly the same problem.
Give the market a closer look, and download MyBackup - it does indeed backup apps and settings, along with other things like bookmarks, contacts, the usual. This is the only point I could point out from your post without having to go into extensive detail ._.

As well, to add to my last post, there is multi-phone support with the apps and the Android OS... if this wasn't so, why would the Moto apps work on the Nexus One? While an app written for Android 1.0/1.5/1.6 might not work on 2.1 perfectly, this does not change the fact an app written with the 2.1 SDK will work on any phone running 2.1(actually, SDK 2.0+ will work with any 2.0+ phone, minus live wallpapers.)
But that is to be expected, just as an app written for iPhone OS 1.0 won't work properly with 3.1.3, or WM5.0 apps won't work with WM6.5 properly.

Isn't this a pointless debate.
It like like trying to debate good vs evil, butter vs margarine, pro-choice vs pro-life?
He seems to have come up with his own very logical, sound reasons why and why not android is over rated. There are countless arguments for both sides and I've read all 15 post of this. Android like the iPhone OS like Windows, like symbian all have their strong and weak points. No perfect phone OS out there. But rather whiny and complain of this and that maybe improve it, like some of the really great developers here which advances Android OS and make it great for all of us users.
In the end do I care if you move to Window mobile...not really. Hope you are happy. Move on. Have a nice life.

amen sir

this thread is only worthy of a one line reply. ...

Well... Having never used a WinMo device. I can't argue that side of things... I owned a Blackberry (NEVER again!!!!), and I own an iPod Touch. Sure, the iTouch isn't the phone, but they're certainly one in the same. My iTouch is jailbroken btw.
With that said, I've never owned a better overall device than the N1. Don't get me wrong, it has its quirks and issues. But man, this thing IS my Media Player, my GPS, my overall entertainment "finder" (Where/Places/Aloqa), Grocery Lists, Forum browser (I'd say I'm 50/50 with Phone and PC while surfing web and forums now).
Sure, the apps could use some work... But, with quality devices being placed on the market, the apps WILL follow. Realize that the main reason the apps market isn't bigger, is because of the strangle-hold that Apple currently has on the market. Many Devs have invested into Apple development and have customers there. It's hard to talk them into changing their ways. In time, they'll sure move over to Android though.
With that said, the apps I get... Work for me. Just the basics: Handcent, Meebo, Car Home, Where/Places, "OurGroceries", Mixzing (Still not my ideal choice, but it gets the job done for now... And yes, I've tried Meridian, nemoPlayer, Stock, and TuneWiki), "Listen", and so on.
Yes, I've deleted as many apps as I still have on my phone (Many more than listed above)... But I've stuck with some that get the job done. If I could ask for only 2 other apps, it'd be Mint.com and Audible.com... Otherwise, I can be content in knowing I have my ideal communication device, with some GPS goodness, and it plays through my car speakers wirelessly.
So no... I don't consider it overrated, but rather too young. It'll mature in time.

My experience in Atrix 4G vs iOS (iPhone 4)

My simple comparisons between Atrix and iPhone
I came from the following devices before Atrix 4G:
iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, Samsung Captivate, Samsung Focus, and now the ATRIX 4G. I still have my Captivate, Focus, and 3GS with me. iPhone 4's Bluetooth was giving me absymal call quality that I couldn't keep the stupid iPhone 4. It does have the front facing camera, and very very good picture quality at the back. The IPS screen is no Super AMOLED, but IPS colors are very accurate. The Super AMOLED has burn-in issue after several months of usage especially if you are in a Skype or phone conversation, the screen NEVER turns off when using speaker phone or bluetooth headset...... I have to click the sleep button on my captivate.... sucka SUPERAMOLED best color but worse life-span than LCDs PERIOD! I personally do not like to simply read the reviews and forums and decide what not to buy, because my first hand experience is the most important.
1. GPS: Atrix and iPhone 4 are excellent and they lock extremely fast and instant regardless of Wifi, 3G cell tower triangulation, or none! Woo hoo. I have Navigon on iPhone so I love it way more than Android's Google Nav or Navigon there coz they are buggy and the vocie synthesizer is like a sound of Stephan Hawkins without emotion. Navigon's soothing woman voice provides the best GPS Navi experience so far. Unfortunately, I can't say the same with the Navigon for Android. It's too buggy and lacking some good features from the iOS. I do like Android's 3D map and voice search and most importantly it's FREE. BUT constantly streaming maps over the cell tower is not reliable. What happen when you go to area without cell coverage? Also what happen if the data plan has only 200MB/month?
2. Internet Browsing speed/ease:
I like Safari coz of double tapping to zoom, the pintch and zoom performance and the beauty of copy and paste has been doing very well and more responsive than the Atrix. On the Atrix browser, i CANNOT edit this forum while typing this response. It sometimes not allowing me to select and scroll through the text even Atrix is imitating Apple with the magnifying glass. Sometimes the magnifying glass never shows up!!! While flash is fun on my Atrix bit it slows down a lot just to display ads. Fortunately I can disable Flash if I want to.
Flash to me while is pretty much full web browsing experience, but it does slow down the entire web page performance. It's good to have the flash option in Android no doubt. iOS however, has forced Adobe to take mobile platform more seriously and look into mobile hardware acceleration to create smooth browsing experience.
3. Stability/Speed: Pretty stable so far and pretty snappy over all. Install Launcher Pro or Go Launch Ex and also use Titanium Backup to Freeze MotoBlur if you are thinking Blur is slowing the system down....But I personally like Blur's widget just not the app drawer. Go Launcher EX has the similar UI as the iOS in the app drawer which is a plus when you want to manage your apps such as hold to wiggle the apps and delete them by touching the Minus sign like iOS.
4. Call Quality/Least dropped calls
iPhone 4 call quality is not as good except ear piece. Bluetooth and Speaker phones are.... bad..... the noise cancellation technology on iPhone 4 is not really good... People had hard time hear my voice even I have tried Jawbone Icon, Plantronics, BlueAnt all these highest end bluetooth headsets! Only the earpiece and stupid corded headphone works okay on the iPhone 4
Atrix is also suffering from similar problem especially if there is wind blowing to the top of the microphone.... the wind noise cancellation of the Atrix is not great which Motorola is trying to improve. Fortunately, BLUETOOTH headset call quality is EXCELLENT and that's what I use the most and perfect!!! Speakerphone is pretty good most of the time.
5. Speaker Quality/Volume
iPhone 4 and Atrix both housing the very loud speakers. I love iPhone 4 and Atrix
6. IPS LCD vs Pentile LCD
iPhone 4's LCD color is way more accurate compare to the Pentile LCD used in Atrix. The Color in Atrix such as yellow is greenish lime...... check the demo unit to compare. Use color calibration tables to compare. iPhone 4 is very very very good.
7. OS: ease of use vs high customizable.
I've discovered that Android is like beta product to me. People are trying hard to customize the UI just to have fun and increase productivity. iOS right now so far has provided the best experience. While Android is a little inferior due to simple Copy and Paste, delete app without accessing Application manager, update all apps at ease (Android requires manually permit each app to update automatically. Update ALL does not work when you have a modified app such as Skype for 3G call in US which cannot be updated due to relocking WiFi only call function), webpage rendering performance such as pinch to zoom in iOS is still better than Atrix running Android for sure. Android is also missing a lot of popular Games from the iOS. Hopefully Sony can do some impact....
8. Multitouch
iPhone 4: 5 points
Atrix 4G: 2 fingers but hardware could support 5 but should we buy for the potention?
Apps that support more than 2 fingers are:
iOS: Cut the Rope, Garage Band, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Street Fighter, GTA, and more
Android: does not have enough because the hardware are inconsistent. Sony Ericsson Xperia X8 can't even do multi-touch! Xperia X10 has problem when crossing X-Y axis with two fingers.
9: HDMI output
iPhone 4 or 5 can do 720P: SMOOOOOOOTH like butter but no specialized 720p interface, just mirroring your iPad2 or iPhone 4's screen to the HDTV. Good for games!!!
Atrix 720P Webtop OS is choppy It runs 720P video at lower than 15 fps....It can't truely mirror the image from the phone to the HDTV for games because for some reason the screen is forced to be a touch pad instead of a multitouch gesture or game pad control such as Samurai II.... you can only move the cursor to control the direction or the attack button but not both... VERY DISSAPOINTING!! Motorola's innovation is just old wine inside a new bottle. Webtop is more like a gimmick than a truly reliable feature.
10. VOIP: Skype, Tango, Qik, Fring, etc
iPhone 4: works all the way with Skype support video call on iOS!!!!! perfect!
Atrix 4G: Only Tango, Qik work so far recently. Skype is totally NOT working, people can't hear my voice from the mic due to high amplitude and frequencies noise. Something wrong with the codecs and non standard API that Motorola has used which is another Google's Fragmentation problem. How do you expect developers to change their source code just to suit a single device like Atrix? There is still no video call in Skype for Android!
11. Multilingual Support:
iPhone: Absolutely almost perfect. The iOS ,regardless of anywhere in the world, has the multilingual keyboard, voice recognition system, writing recognition system, system menu. It's a perfect multilingual OS that until today, there is no one in the computer industry is able to match Apple! Windows 7 still can't do that natively unless you purchase the Ultimate edition and still requires to install the language packs separately through the updates!
Atrix: Running Moto Blur is the cause for none North American languages being removed from the stock Android OS due to the limited storage space for system in the phone. Asian Language is not supported right out of the box. What's come worse is you can't even view or edit Asian language such as Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc in the Webtop environment! What a bummer to me! Motorola Rep told me they are interested about the application of it and willing to enable that feature. That doesn't mean they will enable the feature for North American market. It's a freaking world phone where people need to travel to conduct their business! What happen if people need to type Email in Chinese in the Webtop? It's NOT going to happen as of now and probably not unless you purchase an Asian version in the future.
12. Easy to Hack:
iPhone Jailbreaking requires careful maintanence even it's just a single-swipe or click to Jailbreak. The jailbroken device is highly unstable and usually requires a system restore which takes hours to sync back all the data if your device is fully loaded.
Atrix is easy to root (still definitely not for non tech savvy), convert your phone to webtop without buying the dock, and easy to enable Mobile Hotspot Tethering without paying. BUUUUT ENCRYPTED BOOTLOADER.... which Motorla is still deciding how to response to the developers... fortunately, there is the RSD5.0 that can flash Atrix to stock ROM now
13. BACKUP & RESTORE:
I demand not a simple cloud service backup for the contacts, email, sms, maps, search history but also for the apps and multimedia data! Motorola does provide the software to do it, but it's SLOW. The file manager transfer speed is as slow as 150 KB/sec via USB! I'm forced to use the Massive Storage Media to drag and drop contents. It's convenient in a way but it's definitely not the most efficient method. Syning data prevents wasting time to overwrite data that are up-to-date. Hopefully these can be resolved by the upcoming Gingerbread.
iOS: iTunes simple apps and data backup! It does have it's short coming such as cannot backup data of the deleted apps from the device. I repeat, data backup means not just contact, sms, over the cloud or computer but the data and settings that are stored in the apps and OS.
Atrix: Before the Gingerbread is baked for the Atrix, you must NEED to ROOT to use Titanium Backup and Rom manager (Which doesn't work coz of the locked down bootloader) and it doesn't sync to your computer or your cloud data storage centers. Why do we still use SD cards when there is Dropbox type of system? SD card backup is the not a modern solution. Morever, Titanium Backup is dangerous if you accidentally restore the incompatible data to the system file which may crash the device. The UI of Titanium is not intuitive and it's very complicated for first time users. Titanium Backup is again for geeks not your parents and definitely not your grandma! Android has completely failed in this category! Therefore it can't be a serious work phone without the right backup/restore feature. Finally Motorola's Portal is just slow.... 150KB/sec of USB transfer, it's forcing me to use as Massive Storage Device and that's 40x faster!
I do appreciate the Google cloud service to store all the search history, maps, contacts, email, etc. However, what about Apps data? I'm having a hard time to simply backup my apps data while they aren't stored somewhere in the globe.
14: Multimedia
Both iPhone and Atrix can sync with iTunes library since Apple has dominated the music market. Youtube experience is definitely a lot better in Android than iOS. Because you can rotate your Atrix in landscape mode to have full screen, while potrate mode to access related video and read/write comments while the video is playing! I would say iPhone and Atrix should be quite on par in multimedia.
Codecs that are supported by Atrix are still confusing. Some people say 720P mp4 aren't running correctly.
15. Notification System
iPhone: intrusive! Yup I don't like the bubble in the middle of the screen while I was watching movie, playing games, browsing website, VNC, and most importantly, video conferencing!
Android: non-intrusive notification system where the notifications are up on top to be slided down to review the history like a log. Perfect!
16. How data is being stored
iPhone iOS: single partition easy managemant. You don't need to keep track of where the apps are stored and whether if they can be installed to a larger sd card. This technique has been acknowledged by Microsoft's WP7 though Samsung Focus is an exception which still create confusion on which type of SD card has to be used safely. Atrix stores the data either in the internal memory or sd card which falls to the same issues as Windows Mobile installation --> confusion.
17: Email (3/14/2011)
iPhone iOS 4 now supports threaded emails which sorts out conversations with the latest at the very top even inside the conversation. So far I like it and very productive and convenient.
Atrix: The build in Email App from Motoblur does not do threaded emails. The Gmail app is even more pathetic! While the conversation feature is convenient, putting the oldest thread at the very top inside a conversation forces me to scroll all the way to the bottom just to read the latest email is just ridiculous! There is also bug for conversation list where it doesn't move to the next conversation even I've selected update automatically. The Gmail App is BROKEN in Android and people are complaining about that.
Atrix: Android's support of SD card is good but also bad when you have to keep track of where the applications are installed to and whether if they can be running efficiently when stored to the SD card. SD card does provide expandability but in reality, you are still limited by the maximum size that the device can handle which is 10GB internal usable storage + 32GB and you can't do a single partition to combine the internal storage with the SD card.
If you want a device to ease your life and improve work efficiency, get iOS. Android is more for geeks or developers. Get Atrix if you like to modify the device. The webtop is more like a gimmick rather than productivity unless you really use the Citrix Remote Desktop Control. It's an interesting idea, but in terms of daily basis, Android is still slightly behind iOS in terms of design. Market share does not reflect the re fineness of the product.
*Caution* if you have more important things to worry about rather than modifying system files, customizing the cosmetics of the UI, or simply just trying to eliminate the lags, avoid the Atrix.
Finally, I am still debating if I should keep the Atrix or wait for the iPhone 5, Galaxy S II or the Optimus 2x.

I think there are tons of people on this forum that would disagree with you. I for one was an iphone user for 4 years and I will not go back. Why would you come to this forum of all places to recommend the IOS? Most people who are on this forum have already made up their minds about what phone to get. I found the biggest thing about switching from an iphone to android is that it's like wiping your butt with the opposite hand. If you have been doing it one way for so long you are highly resistant to move to a different tech or adjust to the way that tech works. IOS is plain, boring, and locked down. It's not much different than it was 4 years ago and apple spoon feeds options to users that should be standard from the beginning.

"...update all apps at ease (Android requires manually select each app to update automatically)"
Try going into the market, then pressing the menu key and then My Apps. You should see a link to Update All at the top if more than one app needs updating.

catfarm said:
"...update all apps at ease (Android requires manually select each app to update automatically)"
Try going into the market, then pressing the menu key and then My Apps. You should see a link to Update All at the top if more than one app needs updating.
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You have to turn on that otherwise some of the apps have to be updated manually. Did that before.....

I'm not sure what you are talking about, but I myself am coming from an iphone 3gs, this is my first android, and as far as I can tell the two update their apps in almost an identical manner in terms of number of clicks to update all the apps that need updates. I haven't changed anything from default and have not had to manually change anything in each app to make it part of the update all functionality.

squassss said:
I think there are tons of people on this forum that would disagree with you. I for one was an iphone user for 4 years and I will not go back. Why would you come to this forum of all places to recommend the IOS? Most people who are on this forum have already made up their minds about what phone to get. I found the biggest thing about switching from an iphone to android is that it's like wiping your butt with the opposite hand. If you have been doing it one way for so long you are highly resistant to move to a different tech or adjust to the way that tech works. IOS is plain, boring, and locked down. It's not much different than it was 4 years ago and apple spoon feeds options to users that should be standard from the beginning.
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I'm just comparing and responding to another user who is deciding between iPhone 4 and Atrix. That's the comment I provide.

Android is nice as the op stated however it's still not as refined as Apple's iOS is and apple is quickly improving their os and it's easily available when released thru iTunes or visiting a local apple store if you don't have a desktop or laptop and high speed Internet. I think google may need to start making huge changes if they want to have people be happy with android. Starting with requiring manufacturers to make updates available to each device as the updates are released.

galaxyjeff said:
I think google may need to start making huge changes if they want to have people be happy with android.
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We'll go ahead and forget for the moment that for all of the ways which make iOS just so much better, it is still being outsold by Android, with the gap growing every day.

tomit12 said:
We'll go ahead and forget for the moment that for all of the ways which make iOS just so much better, it is still being outsold by Android, with the gap growing every day.
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That's not the best comparison. Apple has 4 models sold so far.android had like 4 a week.
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galaxyjeff said:
Android is nice as the op stated however it's still not as refined as Apple's iOS is and apple is quickly improving their os and it's easily available when released thru iTunes or visiting a local apple store if you don't have a desktop or laptop and high speed Internet. I think google may need to start making huge changes if they want to have people be happy with android. Starting with requiring manufacturers to make updates available to each device as the updates are released.
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Agree, Android's update cycle is so exciting and fast, it just takes manufacturers too long to roll out those updates. The Atrix was announced after gingerbread was released, but it came with Froyo.
But in all honesty Android is far better at content creation and not just content consumption. Apple users are such well trained monkeys that they will pay $1 for a flashlight app when a Dev with some decent skills and passion for the platform will release it for free.
My wife is nowhere near as tech savvy as I am, but she lives her Desire Z and finds it easier to use than her iPhone 3gs, but this could also be due to HTC Sense.
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galaxyjeff said:
Android is nice as the op stated however it's still not as refined as Apple's iOS is and apple is quickly improving their os and it's easily available when released thru iTunes or visiting a local apple store if you don't have a desktop or laptop and high speed Internet. I think google may need to start making huge changes if they want to have people be happy with android. Starting with requiring manufacturers to make updates available to each device as the updates are released.
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Quickly? It's been 4 years and iOS has barely changed.

squarejp said:
You have to turn on that otherwise some of the apps have to be updated manually. Did that before.....
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To clarify, you can change each individual app to update automatically which means you will never have to do anything OR you can go into the Market and just select "Update All" at the top. I had an iphone and you either had to update on itunes and then sync your phone or you had to go to the app store in your phone and select "Update all" but with Android, if you take the 2 or 3 minutes to select the automatic feature, you won't have to do anything, so I think Android WINS that round, sheesh. Plus, that's just splitting hairs.

ikenley said:
Agree, Android's update cycle is so exciting and fast, it just takes manufacturers too long to roll out those updates. The Atrix was announced after gingerbread was released, but it came with Froyo.
But in all honesty Android is far better at content creation and not just content consumption. Apple users are such well trained monkeys that they will pay $1 for a flashlight app when a Dev with some decent skills and passion for the platform will release it for free.
My wife is nowhere near as tech savvy as I am, but she lives her Desire Z and finds it easier to use than her iPhone 3gs, but this could also be due to HTC Sense.
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The part about the $1 flashlight app you say is total bologna. The best flashlight app in the app store is totally free and gets regular updates. Also android is a toy with a cute little green robot.

Go bite an Apple, OP. It's obvious you have no clue what you're even saying. If you did, you'd realize that you're sooooo wrong about nearly everything.
Also, I don't know if you're from a different country, but if you're going to make an Android bashing post, please do so without using google translate.
First point: You love Navigon on the iPhone, but you don't like Google Maps or Navigon on Android... alroghty then...
Second: I don't know why you feel like that. I'm using Dolphin browser, P&Z work fine, as well as copying and pasting. It kinda takes a little bit of getting used to to make the magnifying glass pop up.
Three, four, and five I can basically skip since you give Android some room to breathe.
Six: The green feels fine to me. I've used an iP4, and while the Retina Display is nice, I haven't seen any notable differences, and the color green seems fine to me.
Seven: Oh. My. God. Learn what a Beta is. Your definition of beta seems to be: "Too hard for me to use." It seems like my 10 year old sister knows how to use Android better than you. It's so simple to use copy and paste, but it seems you just can't figure out, and you condemn a whole OS because you can't seem to understand it. You also said that there's a launcher to hold and delete apps, so why even bring it up again?
Now for the updating... Are you mental? Is it really that hard to go into the Market, click settings, and then update all? As for the games, just wait. Android hasn't been mainstream as long as iOS.
Eight: So, you're going to use all 5 fingers all the time? I've never seen people use more than 3, and rarely use 3 at all.
Nine: You have to buy an extra accesory to use HDMI output on the iPhone... And that is webtop, not mirroring you're doing. Learn the difference.
Ten: Apps need to be updated. Device less than a month old. Blahdy blah.
Eleven: You skipped 11.
Twelve: High maintenance in time such as tethering? lolwut? Makes no sense at all. Rooting is so simple. All automated for you.
Thirteen: Almost everything is backed up for you! Contacts are auto-backed up to Google from the start. MotoBlur also helps with that. Download an app to backup SMS convo's to your SD card, and then just plug your phone in and transfer your pics. Then there's good, old Titanium.
You're comparing Apples to Robots, and it's just not working. Your basic understanding of the English language is horrible, and shouldn't be used to bash Android.

iOS is def more refined, and user freindly. and i had over all less little glitches with my iphone than ive had with my atrix.
but im still staying with anything android. android phones are more customizable even without root/rom than a jailbroken iphone is. (just talking about visual customization)

I don't understand why almost all "Atrix vs. iphone/android vs. iOS" speak only or mainly of points that are already handed to Apple. I'm sure that other Atrix users here like me, Bought the Atrix knowing in advanced it's does not win over iphones in all categories.
I'm thank the OP for his review but an example of I'm saying about those reviews is like the highlight on "updating all apps at once". I wonder how could this feature be more important compared how each OS handles installing the apps!!
I'm new to Android and it was a little blast I had when I found out how you install apps! click this, install that, back, click this, install, check download progress in notification bar, go back for more apps, they download and install while your still surfing the friggin' market!!
In iOS if you chose to install an app it exits itself to the home screen and you need to go find where you re-launch the store app!!
Now how can that not be spoken of when "updating all apps at once" is suddenly an edge over the other OS?

I have to admit English is not my first language and I was pretty frustrated about my Atrix!
I know some people may not agree with me but here is my refined response.
First point: You love Navigon on the iPhone, but you don't like Google Maps or Navigon on Android... alright then...
Second: I don't know why you feel like that. I'm using Dolphin browser, P&Z work fine, as well as copying and pasting. It kinda takes a little bit of getting used to to make the magnifying glass pop up.
Thanks for the tips on alternative browsers. Copy and Pasting is worse than iOS from my Atrix experience. Sometimes there is no magnifying glass when editing the text. It pops out a selection menu that covers up my whole screen asking me to SELECT TEXT, SELECT ALL, COPY, etc. Inside the browser, I MUST need to click the Menu button, select More, Select text and I've no way to accurately select the correct beginning and the end of the portion that I would like to copy.
Three, four, and five I can basically skip since you give Android some room to breathe.
Six: The green feels fine to me. I've used an iP4, and while the Retina Display is nice, I haven't seen any notable differences, and the color green seems fine to me.
Check with Color Calibration sheets to test LCD monitors then you will know how wrong the colors are especially yellow becomes yellowish green and lime and green contains yellow
Seven: Oh. My. God. Learn what a Beta is. Your definition of beta seems to be: "Too hard for me to use." It seems like my 10 year old sister knows how to use Android better than you. It's so simple to use copy and paste, but it seems you just can't figure out, and you condemn a whole OS because you can't seem to understand it. You also said that there's a launcher to hold and delete apps, so why even bring it up again?
I'm a tech geek who have used WP7, iOS, Symbian, Windows Mobile, Palm, and more in long period of time and I have the right to criticize Android base on my experience. The UI in Android is not refined and feels like Windows Mobile menus embedded within menus just bigger buttons and open source for developers but not really for consumers because the manufactures impose their lock-downs to the bootloaders.
Now for the updating... Are you mental? Is it really that hard to go into the Market, click settings, and then update all? As for the games, just wait. Android hasn't been mainstream as long as iOS.
Updates sucks because you can solely use the phone itself to update. I've a modified version of Skype which can't be updated using the UPDATE ALL menu. If I did that, my Skype can't be used in 3G network for calling. Moreover, Skype DOES NOT SUPPORT VIDEO CALL for Android yet while iOS are supported
Eight: So, you're going to use all 5 fingers all the time? I've never seen people use more than 3, and rarely use 3 at all.
Just because you never seen 3 fingers usage does not mean there is no such demand on the creativity. Take Cut the Rope, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Virtual DJ, Piano, and other creativity apps, they all use more than 3 fingers just to let you know.
Nine: You have to buy an extra accesory to use HDMI output on the iPhone... And that is webtop, not mirroring you're doing. Learn the difference.
Extra accessories also applies to the Atrix Officially. Webtop is running in Ubuntu which is Choppy and DOES NOT have an option to mirror the Android environment completely. When I want to play Samurai II on the HDTV, I CANNOT do that at all because the screen becomes a touch pad instead of normal multi-touch operation in the Android environment. I can't play Need for Speed on the HDTV because I can't touch the screen to play the game at all. iPhone, iPad, Optimus 2X and upcoming Xperia Arc are able to do that.
Ten: Apps need to be updated. Device less than a month old. Blahdy blah.
Truth to be told, Motorola is not using standard APIs. VOIP developers are having troubles to develop the right codecs to work in the Atrix. Do your own research
Eleven: You skipped 11.
Atrix has Limited Multilingual Support. The Webtop Cannot display Asian Characters nor allow users to input them either. Android does not come with decent Asian Characters inputs. Apple iOS is absolutely amazing in that area regardless where the iPhone is being released anywhere in the world, the language packs are the same. The only good side of Android's multilingual is customizable keyboard.. but so far none of the android keyboards have satisfied me due to choppiness, sluggish design, button too narrow, inaccurate writing recognition, and more.
Twelve: High maintenance in time such as tethering? lolwut? Makes no sense at all. Rooting is so simple. All automated for you.
I'm talking about keeping up the Jailbreaking trend against Apple's lockdown on the iPhone, not Android, read carefully! People who need to unlock their phones cannot update their iPhones easily. Feel free to jailbreak but you will suffer from system instability which usually requires full system restore. Re-syncing all apps usually take hours if your device is fully loaded.
Thirteen: Almost everything is backed up for you! Contacts are auto-backed up to Google from the start. MotoBlur also helps with that. Download an app to backup SMS convo's to your SD card, and then just plug your phone in and transfer your pics. Then there's good, old Titanium.
Did you read carefully what I was saying? I demand more than simple Contact, SMS, Email Cloud backup service. Titanium is dangerous to use for non technical people. They will overwrite or delete critical system data that would crash the device. Titanium also requires Root access in order to restore everything. I know how to use Titanium backup ever since I got my Captivate and got frustrated about lacking Google official data backup system. I repeat I'm very technical but Android is definitely not good for non technical people such as your grandma!
You're comparing Apples to Robots, and it's just not working. But I'm comparing different mobile OSs which is the same category
Your basic understanding of the English language is horrible, and shouldn't be used to bash Android.
Yet, Android is being used world wide and therefore should also be multilingual. You, who is an Android user, should able to tolerate people who are not English as their 1st language.

You're obviously not very tech-ish at all. You cannot say an OS is in beta because it lacks features you think should be in it. Your points are moot. So did you consider iOS 2, 3, and 4 to be betas as well?
And to your response to number 11, what?
I can tolerate people just fine. It's when you start rambling in broken English that I can't stand. It just starts looking like some sort of spam e-mail, and hard to read.

I agree with most of what you said squarejp.
Sad to see most people here will down the iP4 just because it is apple.
If they would actually get to use the phone for more than a day, im sure more would see what you mean.
P.S. I have both and iphone and a incredible running 2.2.
Dont kid yourself guys, IOS is much more refined than android.

Papi4baby said:
I agree with most of what you said squarejp.
Sad to see most people here will down the iP4 just because it is apple.
If they would actually get to use the phone for more than a day, im sure more would see what you mean.
P.S. I have both and iphone and a incredible running 2.2.
Dont kid yourself guys, IOS is much more refined than android.
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I'm knocking the Apple phone because I used 3 different versions of the iPhone. As well as own the ipad. Your opinions on what's refined or not =\= everyone elses
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Long path to Atrix

Hello,
Just wanted to post some thoughts. Recently bought the Atrix 4G. Over the past 7 months ive had 7 different phones. Here are my opinions:
1) iPhone 3GS:
Well everyone knows about this phone, so i wont go in much detail.
Pros:
Fast Phone, Everything worked seamlessly, battery was pretty decent, TONS of apps to choose from, iTunes integration (i hate itunes personally).
Cons:
Its apple, no customization w/ out have to jailbreak every update, Everyone and their grandma has the same phone.
2) Nexus one:
One of the most beautiful, well put together phones i have ever used. Really opened my eyes to android. Its a pity it didnt get more advertising.
Pros:
The form of the phone w/ the trackball, build quality for the phone was premium. Pure android. Blazingly fast, newer phones lagged while this phone was hauling. Battery life was decent
Cons:
No multitouch (which you dont really realize how important it is til you dont have it). Screen wasnt as bright or detailed as the newer screens. Parts and accessories were hard to come by locally.
3) iPhone 4g:
I strongly dislike apple, but i had to see what the fuss was about.
Pros:
Very well put together phone, extremely fast, access to large app store, very little lag, battery life was very good. screen was excellent quality, tons of accessories.
Cons:
Its apple, jailbreaking was becoming increasingly difficult because of baseband and OS. Everyone has this phone which makes me dislike it (personal reason but meh, we all like to be different). Everything is based through iTunes which i dislike.
4) Windows 7 Phone (samsung focus)
At first i thought the phone was stupid looking but then i decided to try out the metro UI.
Pros:
Fast phone, the metro UI on the inside of the OS (once you actually get into the apps) was brilliant, ease of use (good for most, bad for me since i like to change everything), BING! ( i really like bing after using the phone, integration was awesome). Zune integration was stellar. I really prefer zune (which i had never used before), to iTunes.
Cons:
There are alot. First, no multitasking or fast app switching. Relaunching an app every time you want to read a text message is annoying. Having a timer countdown and expecting it to go off when finished and it not going off because your screen wasnt currently on the timer app is very frustrating. Microsoft updates.... will happen eventually. The copy and paste update was 2 months late. That was just copy and paste and a few other touches. Lost faith in microsofts abilities in updating the OS. Lack of accessories such as car mounts etc... Battery life was pretty bad.
5) Blackberry Torch 9800
had to try it out on my quest to try every os. I actually came to like this phone
Pros:
BIS security, everything is encrypted. Email was the best i ever had. Had everything pushed to my phone from blackberry servers w/ only a couple mins delay after they arrived in my actual inbox. Form factor was awesome. First physical keyboard and it was really nice. No need to jailbreak/ unlock phone. Everything was open for user changes. TONS of options for everything. Battery was amazing, best ive had. Easily lasted 2 days of heavy usage. Multi tasking and multi touch like a pro.
Cons:
The phone came out in nov 2010. It has a 600 mhz processor. Its just not enough to support many games or intense apps. It saves the battery but in a field of emerging dual-core phones, they have to be more competitive in term of pure power. Screen was dim and resolution sucked. Lock button was designed by a monkey. couldnt put in pocket w/out unlocking the phone. Internet was slow, streaming apps (like pandora) was a joke, always skipping and lagging.
6) Palm Pre 2
Once again, it was next on the list. It would OS of the year on some poll.
Pros:
The OS is excellent on this. I really do like the cards and the gesture support. If there is one thing i could take away from this phone, it would be the OS. Just awesome and intuitive. "jailbreaking" was easy to do, and there is a 3rd party market "preware" that has lots of apps and "patches" that change things for your phone. Screen was nice, physical keyboard was nice (prefer the blackberry one more though). 1 ghz proc was able to launch apps and play 3d games decently. Dungeon hunters and angry birds etc...
Cons:
Battery life!! 1050 mah battery is abysmal. worst of all the phones ive tried. 5-6 hours of medium usage max. If you were playing a game, you better have it plugged in. Even playing solitaire drained the battery. I was able to use up the whole battery in 2 hours of 3d gaming. The form factor of the phone was a little kiddish. Did a little curve to the phone when keyboard came out. Phone is creaky. Started to have an "oreo" effect w/ in 2 weeks of usage. All hinges were loose and wobbled to the side. App market was sparce and there werent many new advances into the market. Screen was small and keyboard was... wierd. hard to describe but i didnt like it. Internet speeds sucks and streaming was not existent. Took 10-15 mins for pandora to launch and start playing. 2 min gap in between songs. if you paused a song it was take about 5 mins to start again if it started again.
7) Motorola Atrix 4G
Decided i needed to get away from kid hardware and back on the edge of tech
Pros:
Dual-core sexiness. psuedo "4g" speeds. Large screen. Nice resolution. Front facing camera. Fingerprint scanner. Build quality is nice. I prefer pure google experience, but i just installed spb shell and i love the interface and i dont have to deal w/ motoblur. This thing is blazing fast w/ no lag. Streaming music and video is easy. Navigation is brilliant. Oh how i missed android navigation. Tons of markets in the app store. Battery life is brilliant for the amount of power this phone is pushing. I easily get through the day of heavy usage. SD slot is a plus.
Cons:
I do get the occasional force close, androids open market is more open to malware. Motoblur = not up to date OS. Wish it was stock android. Finger print scanner is good idea but some times takes longer then just doing to the dots. Market place is kind of a cluster f***. Last thing is i keep pushing the speaker instead of the button on the back of the phone when im in the dark when i try to unlock it. Im afraid im going to break the speaker on accident lol.
All in all, the Atrix 4g is the best phone ive had, and i have had a lot. Hopefully this will help somebody if they decide to read through it all. Feel free to leave comments on your past experiences w/ other phones.

I agree with everything said here, and the lock button was designed by a monkey on the atrix as well.
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Man, you are I are on the same boat except, I have never experienced a Palm phone, and I won't ever...
I loved nokia - symbian phones, but the OS is outdated, as well, the technology used to build the phones is from stone age...
Used all different versions of iPhone, iPhones are great and all, but they have same different boring UI. No customization until phone's JBen. Apple wants to monopolize the market with their iOS, great, go ahead and try, i'm not in.
Used HD7 as current WP7 and different bunch of phones with Windows 6.5, they are all okay, WP7 has potential but lack of applications is what keeping me away from trying their phones, also for some reason Windows phone release is really slow compared to Android phones in current market.
Android. Great potential, way better feeling while using the phone than other OS. Honestly, market may not have rich application selection as compared to iOS, but Google's getting there.
One thing I don't like about and I am not pointing at any negative aspect, what I don't understand is why the hell in the world every second software/application developer is running after iOS app development? Don't they see the potential in Android? Don't they see the growth? Just a simple comparison, EA mobile has more than 25 games/apps for iPhone, but only 8 or 9 for Android... And to be honest, I don't like it... I want all of the developers on board come up with an app for android... this is one of the reasons I would still like to have an iPhone on me, just to kill time, there is tons of apps you can just keep playing, reading, doing something with your phone... Again, all of these is my personal opinion... if someone have anything to say about it, well... go right ahead...
But, at the end, I am sticking with my Google Phone... To be precise, Moto Atrix and HTC G2... Lovin'em.

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Windows Phone 8 and What it Means to the Competition

The Write Up
Windows Phone 8 has now been out about two weeks and with its eye-catching hardware, beautiful UI, and plethora of new features; has captured the hearts of more people than even I expected. Nokia's Lumia line has been consistently sold out all over the world and is still in high demand while HTC is certainly pulling out all of the stops in bringing their most beautiful device to date into the Windows Phone market. Huaweii seems to be ready to innovate for the first time in quite some time and Samsung is bringing up the rear with the same ol' stuff they've been putting out since the Samsung Behold days but there's a market for everything.
As a student developer, I try to keep a very clear mind about phones as a whole. At present I own a Tegra HTC One X, an AT&T Galaxy Note II, an iPhone 4s, and the AT&T Nokia Lumia 920. It could simply be a honeymoon period but for the past two weeks the Lumia has been my daily driver. I have also been frequenting the forums of numerous tech blogs and news articles, scouring the web for any complaints and praise for both the Note and the Lumia. As it stands, the Lumia seems to be the more sought after of the two with the Note being slightly underwhelming compared to its predecessor. The Lumia is not without its flaws though, the battery life has been subpar on a number of the devices, there is a bug in the NFC usage that causes immense battery drain, and the photos could be slightly sharper. However, for every shortcoming, most of which Nokia says will be repaired with a software update, there are more than enough selling points to justify it. After two weeks, I finally felt it was just to do a review comparing Windows Phone, iOS, and Android.
User Interface
First, I'll start with what you see upon powering on, the UI. The common complaint with Windows Phone, is the lack of a dedicated notification center like the ones you would see on Android or now, iOS. I was truly concerned on coming from using the One X as my daily driver and HTC's amazing Friendstream that the Lumia's activity simply would not be enough. Let me be the first to tell you that not only does the live tile system work, it's removed so many swypes and taps from my typical use that I'm probably saving an hour of battery life a day on that alone. Unlock the screen, swype down, check anything I want, done. It's very simple and very straightforward. I believe Windows Phone's initial marketing statement was, "Get in, get out, get on with your life." It's simple to do just that however it's also easy to get immersed in the live tiles. The customization available despite the lack of backgrounds is quite amazing and sometimes I'll spend half an hour deciding on a particular tile layout that suits me and my present color scheme. The OS is simply aesthetically pleasing, plain and simple. You might be able to download a dozen apps to kick your android UI into gear or Dreamboard your phone but in terms of usability I would have to give the cake to Windows Phone. That said, Android's notification system is right on par with Windows Phone and is certainly no slacker. iOS simply lags behind.
User Interface:
Android: 6
iOS: 7
Windows Phone: 9
Notifications:
Android: 9
iOS: 4
Windows Phone: 8
Camera
With our phones being an extension of our arms, it's only viable that it replace that big clunky camera on a laniard that we were once forced to tote around if we wanted to capture the moment. Now, it's as easy as pulling your phone out and snapping a picture. Windows Phone tried simplifying this further by allowing access to the camera directly from a sleeping phone, a feature imitated and executed well by the competition but born of Windows Phone and the original still seems to execute it best. Each OS aside from iOS has a variation of cameras on a variation of different phones and each have their strengths and weaknesses. My personal preference, hardware aside, is Windows Phone strictly because of the requirement of a hardware camera button. Each OS has it's own photo editing options as well, iOS being the birthing place of instagram, a photo-social network. Android having a ton of applications with filters and editors, and at least Nokia's Windows Phones implementing lenses with work amazingly well. If you haven't gotten to toy around with cinemagraphs then you simply haven't gotten to enjoy a camera on a phone. Overall, I'd say it's safe to give tens across the board on software alone as the hardware preference is just that, a preference.
Camera
Android: 10
iOS: 10
Windows Phone: 10
Hardware Choices
Your general consumer has an idea of what they want but will not be particularly picky. It has to be eye-catching but practical, it has to have screen real-estate but be pocketable. Your phone has to fit you better than you fit it. iOS in this area, is awful. You get one device that most recently has rendered a lot of games ugly due to the screen's aspect ratio shifting drastically. Overall, the iPhone 5 may be the worst in the series despite slightly improved hardware. Android of course has the broadest range of specs, 600 mhz processors making up the low-end of the spectrum and pushing into the quad-core monsters at the higher end. Until Android's most recent iteration, it suffered from a discernible lag that, while not a deal breaker, certainly offered a bit of a low-end feel. However, android is now about up to par with the competition and is finally, "Buttery smooth." on all different kinds of hardware.
Windows Phone devices are also found on a variety of hardware, however what sets it apart and really makes it pull ahead is the availability of many color options. No other OS before it has offered such an array of high end devices in such a wide variety of colors. The Lumia 920 alone comes in five different colors, 3 of which are rare to find on any other quality device. Due to the color variations, I'd have to give this one to Windows Phone as it's proven time and again that it doesn't need the ridiculous hardware to run as fluid as the competition.
Hardware
Android: 9
iOS: 2
Windows Phone: 10
Social
What are our phones for if not communication? Sure, they all make calls with varying quality, they all connect to Facebook, they all send texts and picture messages, they all get the job done. However, who gets it done best? For this comparison, I'm using stock Android. Had I chosen to use HTC's Sense then it likely would've been more favorable for Android but, spoiler alert, stock android doesn't fare too well.
iOS basicaly reinvented the smartphone and have thus created an immeasurable ecosystem spanning across millions of users. Due to this, they are able to have their own video chat that doesn't work with other devices, their own messenger client that only works on their devices, even their own social networks of sorts. They have an ecosystem, but what about the rest of us? Both iOS and Android sync your facebook contacts as well as contacts from other email clients and social networks without much fail and with the installation of third party applications have no issue notifying you of your facebook notifications. However, this isn't about the applications, just the OS itself and aside from what's mentioned, neither have a whole lot to offer. With Windows Phone, I have felt no need to install a facebook application as everything I need is built into the OS. I have facebook chat that sends me all my messages through the same messaging system that my texts come through, I can update my status from my Me tile on a number of different social networks simutaneously, I can take a picture and have it on facebook faster than any other OS, shown clearly in the Smoked by Windows Phone videos and I can do it all without installing anything additional. Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn being baked into the OS has accelerated my social networking to a whole new degree.
The most important aspect of a social network though, the keyboard. I mean sure you can Speech to Text everything but that seldom works out as well as you want it to. android has an excellent keyboard layout by default but the response time on it is notably slower than either other and the predicted text never quite gets me to where I want. It seems as though it doesn't know higher English and any bigger words I use are quickly transformed into two or more little words. iOS is again, a joke. The keyboard layout forces you to go to a separate page to use a period, the auto-correct has spawned numerous sites about how terrible it is, and it's very ill responsive. The first thing you notice about using a Windows Phone is the tactile responsiveness, it seems as though the button is hit maybe even a millisecond before you touch the screen it's so fast and the words are only corrected when it's actually needed. Overall, in terms of the general social networking, I have to give it to Windows Phone here as everything is so deliciously baked in. I should mention though that Android has a plethora of keyboards better than the default at your disposal.
Networking
Android: 5
iOS: 6
Windows Phone: 10
Keyboard
Android: 6
iOS: 4
Windows Phone: 8
Apps and Software and Features, Oh My!
Well, it's not all rainbows and butterflies in the Windows Phone world. The application store isn't 1/10th of the competition yet and the games we do get are often crippled versions of their Android and iOS counterparts. Not only that, we often pay more strictly for the fact that we can get Xbox Live gamer points. However, Xbox live on the phone is amazing and a selling point in itself, it still doesn't justify the sometimes ridiculous price of our games and apps.
iOS is the clear winner as far as games and apps go. Sure, Android has more games and applications but they are never as polished as those on iOS and oftentimes won't work on a good portion of the devices due to fragmentation. Both trump Windows Phone with their high def, 3D games and form fitting applications.
Android and Windows Phone now utilize NFC, iOS's only real shortcoming in this area. Windows Phone has pushed it a step further offering wireless charging on most of their higher end devices which, while gimmicky, is one hell of a gimmick. If you pick up the JBL Charging Speakers then your Nokia will absolutely blow you away.
I would like to clarify, of the 40 or so apps that are must haves on my phones, I can easily find an alternative to 36-38 of them on Windows Phone but those 2-4 apps I can't find really do seem to jump out at me a lot of the time and are a thorn in the side of WP8. That said, with access to native code this will hopefully change.
Goodies
Android: 8
iOS: 9
Windows Phone: 5
Wrap-up
Well, after owning my first long term Windows Phone device I can say that this is as unbiased as I can get aside from a possible honeymoon phase with this pretty little device. This is of course from a basic user standpoint and not a developer standpoint as so many of us like to brag about having. The final score tallied up is:
Android: 53/70
iOS: 42/70
Windows Phone: 60/70
None of the OS's are bad and each could certainly suit you and will vary with your needs. As far as the most generic needs go, Windows Phone pulled out just ahead of Android with iOS trailing behind, left in the dust. If you haven't picked up a Windows Phone and have only gone off of the rumors, I suggest you at least give it a try. Thank you for reading and I hope you all have a happy Turkey Day.
-Poecifer

Thanks for sharing! One thing that interests me about the Windows Phone is editing Microsoft Office files on the go. Currently I have many formatting and compatibility issues trying to do this with my Android device. Have you experimented much with this yet?
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Thanks for sharing! One thing that interests me about the Windows Phone is editing Microsoft Office files on the go. Currently I have many formatting and compatibility issues trying to do this with my Android device. Have you experimented much with this yet?
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Mainly just wordpad documents, I'll look more into the others and get back to you afterwards. Word files are epic though.

Strangely enough I agree with almost quite everything you say, but your scoring seems to be a little wonky. Your user interface scores were as follows:
Android: 6
iOS: 7
Windows Phone: 9
Very subjective if you ask me. You could ask ten different people what they believe that order should proceed in, and I'm willing to bet their answers will vary greatly. I don't understand how IOS could possibly have a higher interface score than Android if its simply a grid of icons with a horrendous notification system. If you wanted to replicate that on Android you very well could with a launcher, MIUI, etc. Android essentially IS iOS with flexibility; customizable grids on the homescreen, widgets, more intuitive lockscreens, etc. Giving iOS a higher score doesn't seem to make sense to me.
Hardware
Android: 9
iOS: 2
Windows Phone: 10
I'd like to think the massive range of Android phones would overcome the simple fact that Windows phones come in several new colors. I think it's fair to say Android should hold top dog in this regard.
Android: 5
iOS: 6
Windows Phone: 10
Above are the scores for social networking on each mobile OS. Again, if Android by default has every third party application installed automatically integrated, how can you justify giving it not only that low of a score, but below iOS? (While iOS only has facebook/twitter integration).
Also, I'm curious as to which keyboard you used for Android.
But great write up, honestly I don't mean to try and dismantle everything you said, I just don't entirely agree with the scoring. But good work, I gave ya a thanks )

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Strangely enough I agree with almost quite everything you say, but your scoring seems to be a little wonky. Your user interface scores were as follows:
Android: 6
iOS: 7
Windows Phone: 9
Very subjective if you ask me. You could ask ten different people what they believe that order should proceed in, and I'm willing to bet their answers will vary greatly. I don't understand how IOS could possibly have a higher interface score than Android if its simply a grid of icons with a horrendous notification system. If you wanted to replicate that on Android you very well could with a launcher, MIUI, etc. Android essentially IS iOS with flexibility; customizable grids on the homescreen, widgets, more intuitive lockscreens, etc. Giving iOS a higher score doesn't seem to make sense to me.
Hardware
Android: 9
iOS: 2
Windows Phone: 10
I'd like to think the massive range of Android phones would overcome the simple fact that Windows phones come in several new colors. I think it's fair to say Android should hold top dog in this regard.
Android: 5
iOS: 6
Windows Phone: 10
Above are the scores for social networking on each mobile OS. Again, if Android by default has every third party application installed automatically integrated, how can you justify giving it not only that low of a score, but below iOS? (While iOS only has facebook/twitter integration).
Also, I'm curious as to which keyboard you used for Android.
But great write up, honestly I don't mean to try and dismantle everything you said, I just don't entirely agree with the scoring. But good work, I gave ya a thanks )
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Not a problem at all, friend. I love criticism regardless and constructive is my favorite flavor. I gave UI to iOS over android because I'm trying to use vanilla android opposed to sense or touchwiz and sadly it still suffers from minute hickups. Had I been reviewing Sense, android and Windows Phone would have certainly been neck and neck.
As far as my hardware statement, as much as the hardware for android differentiates under the hood, they do little to differentiate themselves cosmetically and that seldom makes for a beautiful device even when the power under the hood is insane. It's often left looking like a bunch of generic Samsung phones.
In social networking, I ignored the existence of third party applications and only gave the bonus point to iOS for the ease of setup as both are essentially the same in that regard.
When I use android, I've been using swype since the HTC Dream days and don't feel a need to switch. Swiftkey isn't terrible though.
Again, there may be some bias as I'm still in the honeymoon phase but I made an attempt to be unbiased that at least beats out what you'll get at cNet.

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Not a problem at all, friend. I love criticism regardless and constructive is my favorite flavor. I gave UI to iOS over android because I'm trying to use vanilla android opposed to sense or touchwiz and sadly it still suffers from minute hickups. Had I been reviewing Sense, android and Windows Phone would have certainly been neck and neck.
As far as my hardware statement, as much as the hardware for android differentiates under the hood, they do little to differentiate themselves cosmetically and that seldom makes for a beautiful device even when the power under the hood is insane. It's often left looking like a bunch of generic Samsung phones.
In social networking, I ignored the existence of third party applications and only gave the bonus point to iOS for the ease of setup as both are essentially the same in that regard.
When I use android, I've been using swype since the HTC Dream days and don't feel a need to switch. Swiftkey isn't terrible though.
Again, there may be some bias as I'm still in the honeymoon phase but I made an attempt to be unbiased that at least beats out what you'll get at cNet.
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Most definitely ahaha, cnet is one of the most Apple centric tech sites I've ever seen. And I really do appreciate this write up, I always told myself if I had to move to a locked down OS Windows 8 looked like a viable choice, and now it seems I have a third party to back it up reasonably. It's sad really, most people glance at Windows phone and ate immediately turned away because of how strange the ui is initially. I think it's a beautiful design personally, and they're innovating in their own way.
One thing however. Do you really find sense more appealing then stock android? I've found the last three versions on android (4.0 - 4.2) to be wonderful. Honestly, everything from the notification bar to gapps with the blue tint looks great. I always thought sense was overrated, but more now than ever it seems to be riding on the tailcoat of its gb days. Maybe then I might've thought it sleek and edgy but lately sense hasn't seem to have changed at all, it looks dated. Everything from the app drawer to the notification panel is rather stale looking, I'd go as far to say that the touchwiz nature ux is much preferable, but that's just me.
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Most definitely ahaha, cnet is one of the most Apple centric tech sites I've ever seen. And I really do appreciate this write up, I always told myself if I had to move to a locked down OS Windows 8 looked like a viable choice, and now it seems I have a third party to back it up reasonably. It's sad really, most people glance at Windows phone and ate immediately turned away because of how strange the ui is initially. I think it's a beautiful design personally, and they're innovating in their own way.
One thing however. Do you really find sense more appealing then stock android? I've found the last three versions on android (4.0 - 4.2) to be wonderful. Honestly, everything from the notification bar to gapps with the blue tint looks great. I always thought sense was overrated, but more now than ever it seems to be riding on the tailcoat of its gb days. Maybe then I might've thought it sleek and edgy but lately sense hasn't seem to have changed at all, it looks dated. Everything from the app drawer to the notification panel is rather stale looking, I'd go as far to say that the touchwiz nature ux is much preferable, but that's just me.
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From a purely aesthetic perspective, I completely agree. Sense looks stale. However, it brings to the table a plethora of built in apps and widgets that I find more useful than anyone else's offerings and for that I will choose Sense over Touchwiz or stock any day. I liked the way Sony was going, too bad they can't quite get their software right.

I think you overreacted when you said iphone has score 2 as far as hardware is concerned. Just because they do not take the route android does (make up for poor software with overkill hardware) doesn't mean their hardware ain't good. They basically do just like Windows Phone: pick up a nice platform, then base everything on that so it can be optimized.

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I think you overreacted when you said iphone has score 2 as far as hardware is concerned. Just because they do not take the route android does (make up for poor software with overkill hardware) doesn't mean their hardware ain't good. They basically do just like Windows Phone: pick up a nice platform, then base everything on that so it can be optimized.
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They still only release one device a year with severely dated hardware and ridiculous fragility. They often have next to no real selling point aside from habit. I'd say it was justified.

dont agree with you about the keyboard. check out swiftkey.... i miss it so hard on wp8 :S

Love the write up, and I agree with most of what was said. I can support the lower hardware score for iOS because it is a gradual improvement of an existing design, as opposed to every year the hardware is cutting edge. That does have something to do with the fact that the OS doesn't require such boundary pushing hardware...
That's why I gave up on iOS. After a while you really get tired of the apps as the only attraction. Heck, jail breaking took off merely for the fact that it was a way to unlock the phone for usage on other carriers. Based on the hardware limitations, once you started to add the custom add-ons to change the looks and performance of the phone, iOS starts to lag. I'm sure things have improved with the iPhone 5, but I've got no interest in trying Apple.
It still boils down to taste. I do enjoy using WP7, and so far WP8 is a nice upgrade. As far as Android goes, I prefer stock over any other skin other there. Yes, stock used to be atrocious and not as friendly visually, but 4.0 has changed much of that. Still, I like Sense as the best skin out there, even though it has gotten bloated. sense 4 is a right step, but I won't use anything HTC Android wise until Sense gets much lighter (that's why my Galaxy Nexus will back up my Lumia 810 for the foreseeable future).
I like the WP idea of letting some customization in the form of apps and amps and hardware tweaks. But the consistent UI is my biggest draw to the platform. Now, if only MSFT can make Windowsphone.com easier to use and add a few more apps and tweaks...
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They still only release one device a year with severely dated hardware and ridiculous fragility. They often have next to no real selling point aside from habit. I'd say it was justified.
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You're not talking about Apple are you? If so, this just ruins everything you typed Severely dated hardware? Seriously ?
Don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to their opinion; but dated hardware? ?
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You're not talking about Apple are you? If so, this just ruins everything you typed Severely dated hardware? Seriously ?
Don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to their opinion; but dated hardware? ?
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1.3 GHz processor, underwhelming screen, no NFC, no wireless charging, nothing that sets them apart hardware-wise. At what point as of late have they innovated?

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1.3 GHz processor, underwhelming screen, no NFC, no wireless charging, nothing that sets them apart hardware-wise. At what point as of late have they innovated?
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You said severely dated hardware, didn't you? Name one phone that beats the iPhone 5 in graphics and performance? Underwhelming screen? Do people even legitimately know what the iPhone is clocked at?
NFC? Seriously, what is windows phone doing with it now besides pairing speakers?
Wireless charging, now thats palm pre innovation. Wow.
I know you can come with something better than that.
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You said severely dated hardware, didn't you? Name one phone that beats the iPhone 5 in graphics and performance? Underwhelming screen? Do people even legitimately know what the iPhone is clocked at?
NFC? Seriously, what is windows phone doing with it now besides pairing speakers?
Wireless charging, now thats palm pre innovation. Wow.
I know you can come with something better than that.
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Graphics is a matter of the software and developer interest, neither of which have been called into question. The screen was cool when it was introduced 2-3 years ago, now it's certainly not top tier. The iPhone 5 is clocked at 1.3 GHz which does prove we don't need ridiculous specs with optimized software. It simply hasn't been top of the line in a long while.

^ but no other chip is beating the iPhone 5 in graphics or performance right now. Not even the S4 Pro(quad core). If that isn't top of the line, then I don't know what is.
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Graphics is a matter of the software and developer interest, neither of which have been called into question. The screen was cool when it was introduced 2-3 years ago, now it's certainly not top tier. The iPhone 5 is clocked at 1.3 GHz which does prove we don't need ridiculous specs with optimized software. It simply hasn't been top of the line in a long while.
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Genuine question, where do you find a graphics test that ignores the OS software as a whole? I want to know for personal testing.

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Genuine question, where do you find a graphics test that ignores the OS software as a whole? I want to know for personal testing.
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You don't really. Every test in SOME way is going to be more optimized for one gpu then another; you can't say "well this game runs smother on this phone thus making this gpu better". Benchmarking isn't realistic at all. To be honest I'm not sure of a great way to judge graphics card performance other then a long term
Overview of how it handles games. I could be wrong though, if someone wants to correct me feel free
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"hardware choices"
you gave more credit to one _software_platform_ (your definitions of competitors) for choice of colors....
yes, that makes sense.

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"hardware choices"
you gave more credit to one _software_platform_ (your definitions of competitors) for choice of colors....
yes, that makes sense.
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Average consumer perspective. How much do cores matter to your mom or dad?

Thinking of leaving Windows Phone for Android?

Holy $#!^ don't do it! I had some issues with the WP8 upgrade that upset me enough to try out the competition. I left the Lumia 920 for the HTC One 4 months ago. I will say that having apps for everything and the ability to flash Rom's is cool, but that's about it. The OS sucks. I have jotted down some of my personal grievances in case anyone who thinks like me is thinking of switching. This will hopefully prevent a ton of wasted time and money.
• Overall OS is buggy and a total resource hog. It requires premium hardware specs to deliver an experience close to the smoothness and fluidity found in Windows Phone and iOS, but still doesn’t achieve that. And don’t even think about matching performance of budget Android phones vs. budget Windows Phones, not even in the same league.
• It requires almost daily reboot’s to keep performance from suffering or the OS from completely crashing. This usually depends on how many apps I use on any given day but is still far, far lower in performance reliability than Windows Phone.
• It is the most virus prone mobile OS available. This is pretty huge. In addition, Google data mines every account you set up on the phone. As soon as I set up my company IMAP account, and I mean, next day, I started receiving junk for the first time in 4 years. Absolutely unforgivable.
• Touch responsiveness is a joke. The delay on the keyboard response, for example, when you’re used to iOS or WP is unbearable for me and feels super low quality
• The graphics and icons are kind of toy which requires a launcher and icon pack to remedy. Even then, most packs I tried only covered half the apps I needed and the remaining app icons looked stupid. So I had to individually edit icons to get something acceptable to me.
• Communication apps are horrible. Mail, Contacts, Messaging and Dialer apps can all be replaced by better alternatives, but you run into issues when using one Dev’s dialer, another’s contacts app because the contacts app has a dialer that sucks and vice versa but when both are installed...... Forget it. It’s all a confusing mess that forced me back to the stock applications experience, which sucks.
• Most Android users and developers will tell you that the only way to get the best performance out of Android is to flash a custom ROM. In other words, Google has done such a rookie job on this OS that a community of non-paid hobbyists (Who are incredibly talented and people who help others to seemingly no end) are the go to guys when you want to achieve today’s standards in smartphone performance! Only, not all ROM’s are created equally and aside from the pains of flashing until you find something you like, you risk bricking your phone and voiding the warranty. Google should hire these Dev's and release something quality from the gate!
• Music library management is so painful for me. I, like many people have used iTunes for years and also used Zune and Xbox Music. Apple is the obvious winner here as iTunes works seamlessly with iOS. Windows Phone has a clean little desktop app that syncs my iTunes playlists and songs, but it’s an extra step. Android requires a desktop app and Android app combo. There are a bunch and the one I found the least annoying was TuneSync but I couldn’t get it to work via USB so it took an eternity to sync a few playlists. And, the stock music player is ****.
Honestly, I don't understand how Android has the explosive market share it's enjoying today, I hate it. When I compare it to Windows Phone or iOS, it's like a cheap knock off of what a smartphone OS is supposed to feel like. They have apps, lots of apps and some of which I will really miss. But the OS? When comparing straight up performance, integration of services, stability and reliability, polish, fluidity and built in communication suite, for me it's no contest and I can't wait to get back to Windows Phone!
Hope this helps someone!

You just dun get ride in Android OS for my opinion...lol
For me Android is great, not so like Windows Mobile, iOS still ok if for daily use.
Of course if in smoothness Windows phone and iOS are more smooth than Android, but that's got something Android can found but other OS can't found one; and also in Android 4.3 this problem is finally solve (by using my Nexus 7 2nd gen)
For my opinion, Android is more to those engineering ppl, Windows phone is more to business ppl

nahh, its just you.
1) I dont have to reboot my phone. my uptime is like 100 hrs, and no lag or bugs or anything like tat.
2) what are you doing.. seriously? two questions. did you install porn? -virus+spam and how many instant messaging apps do you have? -lag
3) icons are smth i complain about as well. android and iOS is the same type of icons. windows give a sense of class.
4) itunes, seriously?? i stop using my ipod coz of itunes, i threw away my iphone coz of itunes. music syncing is a piece of crap, especially on a home computer.
5) touch responsiveness? i tink you got to send ur unit to the service centre, probably got a faulty unit
6) custom roms are there for a reason. Google provide a vanilla rom: smooth and minimal. All the other manufacturers are making their own rom=lag/useless. So custom rom are made for ppl to give variety, like PA having hybrid prop, and aokp having lots of stuff to customise.
7) Communication app problem? its coz ur used to ur WP. when i use WP, i feel like throwing it away too.
8) music app really kinda sucks tho, i just stream.
Windows phone really look classy, and i like the feel. but with the limitation, it obviously show why the market share keeps dropping.
iOS-getting outdated. iOS 7 looks cool, but usability is so last decade
WP- classy, for non-tech people who is so lazy to make their phone look special
Android- too much customization, but everyone's device is unique. well except those non-techie again.
Ubuntu- cool, but still buggy.

Wp class for no tech people ok but no file manager, no manual network setting....nooo

sss2sssss said:
You just dun get ride in Android OS for my opinion...lol
For me Android is great, not so like Windows Mobile, iOS still ok if for daily use.
Of course if in smoothness Windows phone and iOS are more smooth than Android, but that's got something Android can found but other OS can't found one; and also in Android 4.3 this problem is finally solve (by using my Nexus 7 2nd gen)
For my opinion, Android is more to those engineering ppl, Windows phone is more to business ppl
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jacktay94 said:
nahh, its just you.
Windows phone really look classy, and i like the feel. but with the limitation, it obviously show why the market share keeps dropping.
Ubuntu- cool, but still buggy.
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Actually Windows Phone's market share is increasing... Blackberry is the one that's slowly dwindling.
Agree with you on Ubuntu... I'm interested to see the "final product".
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I made the mistake of getting a WP8 phone after being an Android fan for some time. I currently own a Nokia Lumia WP8, an iPhone 5 for work and the Galaxy S and Galaxy S2 in a drawer at the house.
No phone is perfect, Android has it's share of issues, as does iOS as does WP8. It's just that Android and iPhone can at least do the things they do and do it well. WP8 still doesn't have a decent facebook app or decent map app, the data speeds are significantly slower than other android/ios phones that are on the same network, push notifications sometimes don't come through until far after the notification was originally pushed. Battery life is sub-par, little customization of the OS, even the larger and more popular applications that actually do manage to make it to WP8 end up having their gui re-written and tailored to look like the rest of WP8 which actually becomes pretty boring and mundane after a while, you can't even get any decent browser options like Chrome, Firefox or even Opera for that matter. Instead, what you end up finding are a bunch of knock-off applications written by little-known dev companies or freelance programmers with all sorts of Chinese, Indian or Russian sounding names that are garbage and do who-knows-what in the background.
I could go on, but suffice it to say, this will likely be my last Windows Phone purchase. The WP8 gui looks decent and is snappy and smooth but beyond that, it doesn't do a whole lot.

really i am in the other site i dont like the sandbox of windows mobile 8 i came to windows mobile from somewhat more easily customized oses symbian and android.
as of now i am going back to android
i ve had a nexus 4 and i had no lag
also an os that doesnt let you do anything with it is not really working as a smartphone at least ios has been jailbroken for a while and some things can be used as they should have been used .
in my opinion windows mobile must rid of locks on it.it is sure that if it doesnt let you do anything it would be lag free but what is the gain then?.
and by that i say that i may come back when a jailbreak is near my phone (ascend w1)....

ericdude said:
I made the mistake of getting a WP8 phone after being an Android fan for some time. I currently own a Nokia Lumia WP8, an iPhone 5 for work and the Galaxy S and Galaxy S2 in a drawer at the house.
No phone is perfect, Android has it's share of issues, as does iOS as does WP8. It's just that Android and iPhone can at least do the things they do and do it well. WP8 still doesn't have a decent facebook app or decent map app, the data speeds are significantly slower than other android/ios phones that are on the same network....
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I would disagree with most of this except push notifications . I have done a few data speed tests because I was suspicious that the One was actually slower but apps like speedtest reflected comparable results for my wife's Lumia 920 vs. my One. Nokia's Maps are really nice, better experience than Apples but I do like Google's offering the best. More points:
Battery: My phone is off the charger at 7 a.m. and back on at 10 p.m. I operate a small business so tons of talk time tons of navigation, I notice no difference in battery performance from my 920 to the One
OS Customizing: Don't really care about this but its true. I have tried 10 to 15 launchers and God knows how many Rom's trying to customize an experience that Android can't deliver. I like the WP OS and really have no desire to make any changes to it with the exception of a few features I would like MS to add.
Apps - I think I already addressed this
Browser - I would go heads up with any browser vs. IE 10 mobile. To say its not decent is just old school MS bash talk to me. Its fast & fluid like everything built in to the OS
But, I defend Windows Phone because I like it and feel like the experience it offers is superior to what I get from Android. You obviously feel the same about Android. I'm only writing this because I think people can tell when someone thinks the way they do, so for people who think like I do and love the Windows Phone OS, my advice is that you stay put unless you can afford to play around with competing devices.
BTW I bashed Android without pointing out what I love about Windows Phone:
People Hub – deep social integration with Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Skype and offers superior groups and room’s options
Search – Instant results for local eating, shopping and events. Integrated music DNA search, integrated vision search supporting barcodes, QR, MS Tags, CD, DVD and book covers.
Groups – Offers users the ability to share group calendar, group OneNote notebook, group pictures and group chatting
Messaging – Facebook chat integration and integrated location sharing etc.
Dynamic Icons – Instead of a static image Live Tiles provide live updates and can be pinned in 3 different sizes
Deep App Pinning – Instead of just an eBay icon, users can pin an eBay item tile to the Start screen and view updated information right from that tile. Or, pin an actual TuneIn station.
Microsoft Office – Free and complete Microsoft Office mobile suite
Kid’s Corner – Cool to keep the kids in a sandbox
Online Backup – SkyDrive integration offers backup features for photos, instant photo upload, music, documents, phone app list and phone settings. The SkyDrive capabilities on Windows OS makes sharing and using data across smartphone and tablet or PC seamless and better than any competing option

jacktay94 said:
nahh, its just you.
Windows phone really look classy, and i like the feel. but with the limitation, it obviously show why the market share keeps dropping.
iOS-getting outdated. iOS 7 looks cool, but usability is so last decade
WP- classy, for non-tech people who is so lazy to make their phone look special
Android- too much customization, but everyone's device is unique. well except those non-techie again.
Ubuntu- cool, but still buggy.
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Nah, it's not just me bud:
1) "my uptime is like 100 hrs, and no lag or bugs or anything like that" - Seriously!? You can keep your phone on for 4 whole days without bugs or anything! Bravo, thanks for making my point.
2) "what are you doing.. seriously? two questions. did you install porn? " I'm operating a small business. No porn and I didn't say I personally got a virus. I said the Android is the most susceptible and that I DID get data mined to a private work email that was never spammed in the 4 years since I created it. Until Android
3) I obviously agree.
4) "iTunes, seriously??" Yes seriously. For starters I purchase all of my music and iTunes has a massive catalogue. Also, this music is for me and my family. I have to send it to multiple devices (PC's and mobile devices) and multiple OS's. Android is the biggest problem child in that mix.
5) "touch responsiveness?" I have had 3 HTC Ones actually. Press a key on the keyboard and watch how long it takes the keyboard to respond. Then try it on a Windows Phone. Pretty clear
6) "custom roms are there for a reason" your reasons are nonsense. Here is a quote from the about of my favorite ROM "a stock ROM experience with the ability to choose the features and functions they want, demand performance and expect stability!" NOTE THE STABILITY AND PERFORMANCE PART
7) "Communication app problem? its coz ur used to ur WP." No it's not. I think the iOS communications suite is superior as well.
8) "music app really kinda sucks tho, i just stream." I do that too but I have a massive music collection I love to listen too
Bottom line is that I just don't like Android. I know that there are a lot of people who Android works well for I mean them no disrespect. I am not trying to talk them in to moving to my favorite OS and would never do that. I am sharing my experience for people who like the same kinds of thins I do and thought about trying the competition, even though they like Windows Phone. Many would be disappointed and for them, I say don't waste your time or money

TechJunkiesCA said:
Nah, it's not just me bud:
1) "my uptime is like 100 hrs, and no lag or bugs or anything like that" - Seriously!? You can keep your phone on for 4 whole days without bugs or anything! Bravo, thanks for making my point.
2) "what are you doing.. seriously? two questions. did you install porn? " I'm operating a small business. No porn and I didn't say I personally got a virus. I said the Android is the most susceptible and that I DID get data mined to a private work email that was never spammed in the 4 years since I created it. Until Android
3) I obviously agree.
4) "iTunes, seriously??" Yes seriously. For starters I purchase all of my music and iTunes has a massive catalogue. Also, this music is for me and my family. I have to send it to multiple devices (PC's and mobile devices) and multiple OS's. Android is the biggest problem child in that mix.
5) "touch responsiveness?" I have had 3 HTC Ones actually. Press a key on the keyboard and watch how long it takes the keyboard to respond. Then try it on a Windows Phone. Pretty clear
6) "custom roms are there for a reason" your reasons are nonsense. Here is a quote from the about of my favorite ROM "a stock ROM experience with the ability to choose the features and functions they want, demand performance and expect stability!" NOTE THE STABILITY AND PERFORMANCE PART
7) "Communication app problem? its coz ur used to ur WP." No it's not. I think the iOS communications suite is superior as well.
8) "music app really kinda sucks tho, i just stream." I do that too but I have a massive music collection I love to listen too
Bottom line is that I just don't like Android. I know that there are a lot of people who Android works well for I mean them no disrespect. I am not trying to talk them in to moving to my favorite OS and would never do that. I am sharing my experience for people who like the same kinds of thins I do and thought about trying the competition, even though they like Windows Phone. Many would be disappointed and for them, I say don't waste your time or money
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1) yupp, i just switched my phone off ystd, coz i changed the battery. after like one whole week of being on.
2)You probably registered your email in some website tho. Android didn't give me spam
3) yeahh
4) dont you find it a hassle when you sync ur family members playlist when u just wanna charge your ipod? your from the states, so i understand, coz we in malaysia dun buy much music, especially on itunes. hehe wat i do is just copy+paste, no need to complicate things, back to basics.
5) hmmm, i probably need to post a video of me typing then. hahaha! but really, was it on custom rom?
6) the most stable rom: vanilla, pure android is most stable man. performance is overclocking, google wont endorse that.
7) coz both are simple. too simple. hahaha!
8) like play music app, whole library free for a month, wat other collection do you want?
nahh, just making conversation. planning to get a lumnia 600+ series as a for fun phone, just wanna check out the real feel of using WP, when i get the budget. hehe

I have both Android and WP. What I like in Android is that I can do pretty much anything with it like on a PC, but that's where it stops. I have a Samsung Galaxy S which is a pretty old phone and I have a custom rom with Android 4.2 on it. The phone came with android 2.3 and Samsung just decided it did not have enough RAM to run 4.x well and stopped updating it. Well, it is much less laggy on the custom ROM with 4.x than the stock ROM with 2.x. I would never trust an Android device as a phone, it just is too crashy and buggy OS to do anything important. With the stock ROM it rebooted many times when I tried to answer a call etc, and web browsing exprience just sucks. This has to do with the low memory but 512MB should be enough for a phone. When I browse the web on Android, other apps that run in the background get killed and eventually the browser stops working too (Just like on good old Symbian ). My WP7 (Samsung Omnia 7) has nearly identical specs and I have no memory problems, I have several hundred megabytes of free RAM no matter what I do and browsing is very smooth. Also it's annoying when you need to take a quick pic of something important and the Camera app crashes on Android... One thing Android does better than WP is scrolling long lists - it takes ages to scroll a long list on WP, but on Android the scrolling accelerates when you scroll..

OP keeping WP circlejerk alive as always

Taurenking said:
OP keeping WP circlejerk alive as always
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Seriously? Grow up
Edit - and go away. This is a WP thread. Why droid people are here making negative comments never ceases to amaze me. I don't read your threads let alone comment in them.

ericdude said:
I made the mistake of getting a WP8 phone after being an Android fan for some time. I currently own a Nokia Lumia WP8, an iPhone 5 for work and the Galaxy S and Galaxy S2 in a drawer at the house.
No phone is perfect, Android has it's share of issues, as does iOS as does WP8. It's just that Android and iPhone can at least do the things they do and do it well. WP8 still doesn't have a decent facebook app or decent map app, the data speeds are significantly slower than other android/ios phones that are on the same network, push notifications sometimes don't come through until far after the notification was originally pushed. Battery life is sub-par, little customization of the OS, even the larger and more popular applications that actually do manage to make it to WP8 end up having their gui re-written and tailored to look like the rest of WP8 which actually becomes pretty boring and mundane after a while, you can't even get any decent browser options like Chrome, Firefox or even Opera for that matter. Instead, what you end up finding are a bunch of knock-off applications written by little-known dev companies or freelance programmers with all sorts of Chinese, Indian or Russian sounding names that are garbage and do who-knows-what in the background.
I could go on, but suffice it to say, this will likely be my last Windows Phone purchase. The WP8 gui looks decent and is snappy and smooth but beyond that, it doesn't do a whole lot.
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I don't really care about a "decent" FB app so I'll give you that one. But if you think that Google Maps is anywhere as good as Here, you have no idea what a good map app is. Or maybe you don't have a Lumia. Nokia's mapping software is going to be the industry standard soon now that it's available for iOS. You know those fanboys are having a hard time without a usable map app.
MS Office + SkyDrive - 'nuff said.
People Hub - only webOS Synergy was better
Nokia Cinemagraph - best stock animation and GIF creator
The fact that WP8 can be as fluid and lag-free as any other OS without needing 20 cores and 4 GB of RAM speaks volumes about the OS itself. PalmOS was probably the only other OS that was as resource-friendly as WP, Symbian a close second.
I don't dislike Android, or iOS for that matter, I just find WP8 to be the best all-around combination of phone and OS. MS has stringent rules about how their OS is to be presented and that might not be such a bad thing.

Windows phone 8 isn't windows mobile. They're two different os.
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Taurenking said:
OP keeping WP circlejerk alive as always
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Ahh look I'm blushing! Hey, trolling forums of devices or operating systems you don't use speaks volumes of how engaging your platform must be, not to mention your personal life. Hope things pick up for you!

I'm considering getting a lumia 925 or 1020 to replace my HTC One. I've become bored with android and ios. What're everyone's thoughts and anything I should know before making the switch?
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Amrut223 said:
I'm considering getting a lumia 925 or 1020 to replace my HTC One. I've become bored with android and ios. What're everyone's thoughts and anything I should know before making the switch?
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wait for the snapdragon 800 nokia phone if you can; if you're gonna buy an old phone instead of a new one, make sure you don't have a not for resale phone(demo unit).
Many apps won't work, you'll have to make do for a while... what is your typical phone use?

Why wait for the new soc. From what I've been reading wp runs smooth on almost anything. I have no interest in benchmark scores. I simply want to get decent battery life.
Speaking of which. How does the lumia 925 hold up in that respect?? Reviews seem to have mixed feelings about it.
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