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Wow F U samsung

assuming this is true
http://phandroid.com/2010/12/08/samsung-on-galaxy-s-gingerbread-possibility-maybe-but-maybe-not/
There standpoint on Gingerbread for their flagship phone, basically a big F U to their customers
“Such a review will be based on various factors including, without limitation, the overall effect of such Update to Samsung products, the system requirements, the structural limitations, and the level of cooperation from the component suppliers and the software licensors”.
“If Samsung decides to make the Update available to the users after such consideration, Samsung will use its efforts to develop such Update, which may be released to the users upon successful completion of such development”.
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are you kidding me..its the same damn device (EDIT: as in the other galaxy s phones)

bobdude5 said:
assuming this is true
http://phandroid.com/2010/12/08/samsung-on-galaxy-s-gingerbread-possibility-maybe-but-maybe-not/
There standpoint on Gingerbread for their flagship phone, basically a big F U to their customers
are you kidding me..its the same damn devices
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While I am not siding with them - they really aren't the same devices. If they were we could easily port vibrant and captivate roms. There is clearly work that has to go into each variant of the SGS line. It would probably make the LEAST amount of sense for the Epic to not get 2.3 officially. Primarily because of its 4g Radio and Front Cam - features that the others lack- even though our device is probably the most complicated to get working right.

Kcarpenter said:
While I am not siding with them - they really aren't the same devices. If they were we could easily port vibrant and captivate roms. There is clearly work that has to go into each variant of the SGS line. It would probably make the LEAST amount of sense for the Epic to not get 2.3 officially. Primarily because of its 4g Radio and Front Cam - features that the others lack- even though our device is probably the most complicated to get working right.
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Dont forget landscape mode for the keyboard, led light too....
Well oh well eventually we will get gingerbread on our devices and if not im sure ill have a new phone next year anyway so froyo will hold me over til then...

In my opinion this is a conflicting report with what that one leak tweeter/w/e he was said. Samsung didn't say no, they basically said "Um, well, uh maybe?" so it has, at least in mind, just as little credibility as some guy saying we were getting it. Just have to wait and see.

This will help....
http://www.androidcentral.com/will-my-phone-get-gingerbread
this is conflicting
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spdwiz18 said:
This will help....
http://www.androidcentral.com/will-my-phone-get-gingerbread
this is conflicting
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Here we go with the rumors just like the date of the release of the epic....

davidrules7778 said:
Here we go with the rumors just like the date of the release of the epic....
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i agree it all is still rumor, but it doesnt hurt to have some hope...
merry christmas

spdwiz18 said:
i agree it all is still rumor, but it doesnt hurt to have some hope...
merry christmas
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Having hope means you can either be:
Hope for X
1) Let down horribly - No X
or
2) Content - X
Having no hope means you can be:
1) Pleasantly surprised - X
or
2) Content - No X
Hope is stupid. Its math.

http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kern...ng.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/2.6.35-samsung
samsung already created a gingerbread kernel 2.6.35...

muyoso said:
Having hope means you can either be:
Hope for X
1) Let down horribly - No X
or
2) Content - X
Having no hope means you can be:
1) Pleasantly surprised - X
or
2) Content - No X
Hope is stupid. Its math.
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wow.... thats optimism for you...

noobnl said:
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kern...ng.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/2.6.35-samsung
samsung already created a gingerbread kernel 2.6.35...
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Likely for the nexus s?
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Kcarpenter said:
While I am not siding with them - they really aren't the same devices. If they were we could easily port vibrant and captivate roms. There is clearly work that has to go into each variant of the SGS line. It would probably make the LEAST amount of sense for the Epic to not get 2.3 officially. Primarily because of its 4g Radio and Front Cam - features that the others lack- even though our device is probably the most complicated to get working right.
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But its not only our device. Theyre talking about their whole galaxy s line. Samsung says we will think about it, while htc says we're working on it.
I love my phone but damn you samsung. If only htc had super amoled screens, and put decent camera sensors in their phones..I'm really considering that HTC Knight

This may very well be the last straw that makes me sell my Epic. While I realize that Samsung doesn't owe me anything, until people quit buying their phones, they'll keep jerking us around. HTC, here I come.

live2ride96 said:
This may very well be the last straw that makes me sell my Epic. While I realize that Samsung doesn't owe me anything, until people quit buying their phones, they'll keep jerking us around. HTC, here I come.
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LOL. I thought it would at least be a few days after Froyo's release before we got these posts about Gingerbread.

live2ride96 said:
This may very well be the last straw that makes me sell my Epic. While I realize that Samsung doesn't owe me anything, until people quit buying their phones, they'll keep jerking us around. HTC, here I come.
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lol trading my epic for an evo this weekend!

I have 2 people wanting to trade their Evo for my epic. Samsung doesn't support their products as well as HTC, and it sucks. For some reason, I think they would rather put out new phones with Gingerbread and make you buy the, than give you an upgrade.

heathmcabee said:
For some reason, I think they would rather put out new phones with Gingerbread and make you buy the, than give you an upgrade.
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Uh, Let me take a wild guess. Could it be . . . . . . for PROFIT??

spdwiz18 said:
This will help....
http://www.androidcentral.com/will-my-phone-get-gingerbread
this is conflicting
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I like the confidence of this link
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ill never buy samsung again
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Yes, yes, for profit. We all get that they're in the business of selling phones, not giving free updates. That's why I read an interesting blog about paying for OS updates a little while back. I'd gladly pay a few bucks to get honeycomb or ice cream on a 6 month to year old phone and to have them out in a timely fashion. Then Samsung and all the other manufacturers would have an incentive to actually put out updates for phones as well.

cya motorola - you win.

Droid X is sold, bought a fascinate.
Tired of lacking full root, needing SBF's, fake AOSP, and inability to use 3rd party kernels. This all really destroyed what I considered the best phone ever released.
Great job on the eFuse Motorola! I'll never buy another phone again unless it's fully rooted first.

hopefully you also posted this on moto's own DX forums where it would have more desirable impact for you

Haha I six the same. The fascinate has shoddy sour e, great devs abd who knows when it will get froyo let alone gingerbfead. I am a admin in the fascinate irc chat and bc la k of true source, la k of froyo and lots of bugs im back with my x and my dinc( can't decide ) I love miui on the dinc. Trust me fas inats has awesome harware. You are going to regret that decision. I would rather have a lo led bootmoaxer than horse shot software u can't do anything with.
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I definitely agree with you protesting with your wallet, but telling us won't help as much as you sending them an email and posting in there forums.

I miss my Dinc. The X is nice, but man I am missing full root myself. Although, I am sure something better is around the corner. I will hold out.

yeah i had a fascinate for 1 day (basically got it for a cheap price on craigslist so i could either sell or trade for an x) that fascinate was quick but boy that ui sucks. no google? thats even more dumb. i love my x. i had one for a couple months and sold it thinking i was gonna break it in a rough environment i started working in, but now i have another one and won't change til something way better comes out... HTC Merge maybe???

I don't have these problems. Why you might ask well im not rooted I use the phone for what it does and that's a lot. Not a fan of rooting. I see to baby problems with that stuff. I realy on my phone to work when I need it to. Just my two cents. I had the vibrant before this and its the worst phone i've ever had sanding does not take care if there phones. When will it get 2.2? Its six months behind most phones. You are getting rid of one of the best phones out because you can't root it like you want must be nice to mess with a phone then decide to just get something else. I can only afford to buy one phone so I don't mess with it. I mess this phone up I will then be using a very old non smart phone for my new phone. Now I know that there are really cool things that a rooted phone can do but if its not broken don't fix it. Unfortunately im in the minority with this.
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Threads like these, serve no real purpose.
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Casshern said:
Threads like these, serve no real purpose.
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Like your post.
Thanks to everyone else's feedback. Although, "ksizzle9" I didn't understand anything you said; that wasn't English, no idea what it was tbh.

irascible said:
Like your post.
Thanks to everyone else's feedback. Although, "ksizzle9" I didn't understand anything you said; that wasn't English, no idea what it was tbh.
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This made me laugh. I thought the exact same thing. Maybe he was trying to use Swype for the first time or something?
I didn't like my X in the beginning before it was rooted. I hated the blur except for a few apps (Alarm, Camera, etc.), but now that I'm rooted and running Fission I'm more than happy with it.

<Sigh> I hate Motorola

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=920804
Is even the lock screen from this possible on our phone?

Yeah.. I should've known better not to click that link. Anyone who knows anything though SHOULD HAVE KNOWN when purchasing a DX what limitations we would have over some other devices.
Although that does look pretty slick, Droid Incs are iphone wannabes, can't stand 'em.

DNak206 said:
Yeah.. I should've known better not to click that link. Anyone who knows anything though SHOULD HAVE KNOWN when purchasing a DX what limitations we would have over some other devices.
Although that does look pretty slick, Droid Incs are iphone wannabes, can't stand 'em.
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Inc's are nowhere near iphone wannabes. I have both and while i love my X my incredilbe is still easier to use and hack. Title says it all especially after moto's blunder yesterday on the atrix page. Come on moto, you really arent working on anything and if you are it will probably mean a new developer device and not a fix for those of us working with the current ones.
read on for info if you havent seen it. http://phandroid.com/2011/01/19/motorola-locked-bootloaders-stay-you-can-go-elsewhere/

Motorola cleared up what that one, YouTube manager, employee said. It doesn't mean the bootloader will be unlocked, but they commented and it can only help.
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/01/1...bootloaders-looks-to-partner-with-developers/

If by "cleared up" you mean heaped a load of dung over it in an attempt to hide the smell of their previous ****ty response...
yep, they did that good!

Go here
http://getsatisfaction.com/motorola/topics/bootloader-1egega
And tell Motorola what you think about their locked bootloader

That's just the acer launcher. I have a file for the liquid metal launcher.
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also. Incredibles are nothing like iPhones. They are sick ass phones. Anywhoo on the good side of things motorola either tweeted or said on facebook that they would be working towards making their phone developer phones again and marked the locked bootloader section on their support forums as "implemented"
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wad3g said:
Motorola cleared up what that one, YouTube manager, employee said. It doesn't mean the bootloader will be unlocked, but they commented and it can only help.
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/01/1...bootloaders-looks-to-partner-with-developers/
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Its just for the press, they don't mean it.

DNak206 said:
Yeah.. I should've known better not to click that link. Anyone who knows anything though SHOULD HAVE KNOWN when purchasing a DX what limitations we would have over some other devices.
Although that does look pretty slick, Droid Incs are iphone wannabes, can't stand 'em.
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The inc is by far the best phone on Verizon right now in regards to hacking and ROM's. Anyone who hates on it is, well, is a hater The X is a good phone in terms of hardware, but the inc community is simply awesome. iphone it is not.
Motorola is listening guys! It may not happen with the X, 2, but I'm willing to bet the new moto phones will be more easy to manipulate. They see how it will hurt them in terms of future sales.

I really doubt it would hurt much when it comes to sales since a majority of Droid owners know nothing of the phones true potential. Although that was a crappy statement to make on motorola's part. As a consumer it really makes me think twice on what phone I will purchase next.

Gimpeh said:
I really doubt it would hurt much when it comes to sales since a majority of Droid owners know nothing of the phones true potential. Although that was a crappy statement to make on motorola's part. As a consumer it really makes me think twice on what phone I will purchase next.
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Even though the average consumer wont be rooting and what not, I'm sure many of these average users will read the comments of all the Modders and be put off on buying a moto: phone.

ksizzle9 said:
That's just the acer launcher. I have a file for the liquid metal launcher.
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You want to post it?

Which do you beleive will have better roms?

Looking to upgrade from nexus one to either atrix or galaxy sII. They both have good hardware and it would be nice to have the bigger screen of the galaxy but it doesn't really matter to me.
I don't really trust Samsung with software upgrades and I have never had a Motorola before. I think what my decision is going to come to is which one will have the most custom rom development.
Anyone have any guesses on which one you believe will have more custom rom options?

Neither. Motorola still has the encrypted bootloader and Samsung just lies about releasing updates.

I haven't been paying much attention to it, but I thought they already figured out a way to root the atrix

That has nothing to do with the bootloader.

I would choose the atrix,only cause of the massive battery.

evilkorn said:
Neither. Motorola still has the encrypted bootloader and Samsung just lies about releasing updates.
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+1
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djsaad1 said:
I haven't been paying much attention to it, but I thought they already figured out a way to root the atrix
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Problem is that you can be rooted but if the bootloader is encrypted like many Motorola's you cannot install a custom recovery to flash custom ROM's, you just have SU access being rooted.

I would take a nook color modded to have honeycomb over both

donmoosavi said:
I would take a nook color modded to have honeycomb over both
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Right, because that is a phone.

DumbUglyDragon said:
Right, because that is a phone.
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That's NOT the question of this topic, "Which do you beleive will have better roms?".
I agree with with donmoosavi. I too would take the Nook Color over anything Motorola or Samsung.

Samsung and motorola are trying to prevent installation of alternative roms. So I will avoid these.
LG maybe.

OrganizedFellow said:
That's NOT the question of this topic, "Which do you beleive will have better roms?".
I agree with with donmoosavi. I too would take the Nook Color over anything Motorola or Samsung.
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Seems to me the OP is asking the question in reference to phones, since he is looking to upgrade his Nexus One to an Matrix/GS2
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looks like the bootloader is encrypted on the atrix, that is now off the list.

djsaad1 said:
looks like the bootloader is encrypted on the atrix, that is now off the list.
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Actually the bootloader isn't encrypted, but it does perform a signature verification on the files... so the end result is the same. No custom roms as it sits right now.

Bummer.
I thought that by now, Motorola would have embraced the community.

evilkorn said:
Neither. Motorola still has the encrypted bootloader and Samsung just lies about releasing updates.
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this. and htc puts stupid sense on the phones, only sense-less makes sense for me...
thus i wait for the nexus 2, the nexus s isn't appealing at all for me.
the atrix is sweet but no stock android, encrypted bootloader, firefox on the webtop.
there's currently just no phone that is a worthy replacement imo.

dronarg said:
Samsung and motorola are trying to prevent installation of alternative roms. So I will avoid these.
LG maybe.
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This is my thought as well. I won't get another android phone without community support. After watching Vibrant & Droid X development and their troubles I've ruled out both these manufactures regardless of specs.
I expect LG to be the most open of the upcoming android dual core models. It's just a guess though.

Most definitely NOT the Atrix. XDA should let that phone die... Hit them where it actually hurts with phone sales, rather than buying it in hopes to it being cracked one day.
The SGS II looks like the way to go between those two. Unless you feel like waiting to see what HTC ends up releasing.
As for LG, I have no idea. Never owned an LG phone before... The Optimus' bezel sticks out too much along the touch screen, so that'll probably be a deal breaker for me. We'll see when it actually comes out. Till then, it's a waiting game for me.

OrganizedFellow said:
Bummer.
I thought that by now, Motorola would have embraced the community.
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The Xoom has the same oem unlock/lock features of the Nexus S but unfortunately I think that's simply because it's a pure Google experience rather than a change in Motorolas views.

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gstar_raw said:
Most definitely NOT the Atrix. XDA should let that phone die... Hit them where it actually hurts with phone sales, rather than buying it in hopes to it being cracked one day.
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It's too bad that the number if people using cooked roms are a margin of error if the phone is successful for the normal consumer. The network perception will do 20x more to hurt sales than the locked bootloader ever will.
That being said, I'd wait for HTC to announce thier next gen (pyramid et al.)
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Bootloaders not actually unlocked

The Droid X, Milestone etc bootloaders were not actually unlocked. It was a hoax. http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-bootloader-still-encrypted-developer-comes-clean
I don't see why so many are willing to put up with this. There are plenty of other good android phones out there. As long as Motorola is going to fight this, there will never be a truly safe way to flash custom roms/kernels on droid phones, and devs simply aren't going to invest the time necessary to develop much.

::: Sigh :::

I've learned an important lesson, don't get hopes up so quickly :'(

snwboard333 said:
I've learned an important lesson, don't get hopes up so quickly :'(
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Motorola is too committed to their bootloaders not being crackable. Just pick another phone for your next one.

disappointing, and we all know now not to ever trust nenolod again. thunderbolt here i come...

I think its horrible that some one thought it was funny that this happened. I know I am a no body to the android community but I for sure did an "unfollow" on twitter today.

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Motorola is too committed to their bootloaders not being crackable. Just pick another phone for your next one.
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That's my thought. I'm due for a new phone here shortly; it certainly won't be a Motorola.

@nenolod purposefully lied to us. http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg614/scaled.php?tn=0&server=614&filename=l8sp.png&xsize=480&ysize=480
This is ridiculous. He cannot be doing this @&#( to us. I have lost all respect for this guy

And the thing is he said it was because people kept bothering him about the stuff. Well I never even heard of this guy until all this came out as im sure the case with most people, so why play this stupid "trick" on all of us?

Again, lets throw all of out locked droid x's at him. He shoukd be banned from android period
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1tonyj said:
That's my thought. I'm due for a new phone here shortly; it certainly won't be a Motorola.
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I would recommend a Galaxy S. The bootloaders are unlocked and it now has a functional CM7 version. Plus, nothing beats the Super AMOLED screen.

Yeah this was pretty lame, got my hopes up, so I just got a dinc for now until I can afford a new phone or get my upgrade.
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I loved my Droid X when I first got it. Rooted it and had leaked Froyo running on it before OTA was available. After that there was not much more I could do with it. Bought a used Captivate on ebay. There are lots of custom ROMs and kernels to choose from. When September rolls around I hope there is a new Samsung phone available. No more Moto's for me.
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Galaxy S phones are very solid, with a few mods, it will fly. Plus the bootloader is unlocked, if u are coming from the x, you will greatly appreciate this. I just picked up a thunderbolt and so far, i love it. Its crazy fast, LTE or not, and having the 256mb of extra ram really makes for a phone that never slows down, no matter what you are doing. My only complaint other than the battery being undersized, as HTC ALWAYS does, is the adreno 205, people with the mytouch or G2 will tell you its good. When voming from a galaxy s the GPU is the only thing that i dont think is better.
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faber78 said:
and the next phone wont be locked.
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Yes, yes it will.