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Any clue on when we will see 2.2 on the epic????

Been looking around on line and haven't seen anything confirming when we will get our update. Anyone got any good speculation.

spf2722 said:
Been looking around on line and haven't seen anything confirming when we will get our update. Anyone got any good speculation.
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The international version of the phone is supposed to have it by the end of September. This is in no way an indication as to when the other phones will. It would make sense that they would give it to the international version first, then roll it out at the same time for all of the US variants (vibrant, captivate, fascinate, Epic).
I'm certain Sprint users would be in an uproar of AT&T got it first.... and the same goes for other carriers.

International version is getting it 23rd
http://androidspin.com/2010/09/13/rumor-samsung-galaxy-s-to-get-froyo-around-23rd-september/
Don't know about US versions but Epic might take a bit longer because they still gotta make TW3 work..

Didn't sprint say that the Epic was for sure getting it this month? I thought I remember reading that somewhere?
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As much as my Epic is my precious baby, if Samsung does NOT have Froyo + bug fixes out by the end of this month, I will be returning my phone for a EVO.
Samsung STILL hasn't put out bug fixes for the Captivate or Vibrant, and I'm losing the small amount of faith i had in samsung.

NeonMonster said:
As much as my Epic is my precious baby, if Samsung does NOT have Froyo + bug fixes out by the end of this month, I will be returning my phone for a EVO.
Samsung STILL hasn't put out bug fixes for the Captivate or Vibrant, and I'm losing the small amount of faith i had in samsung.
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an epic user actually admits that samsung didn't fix captivate and vibrant. Someone was in the evo subforum saying that there were no problems with captivate or vibrant.
Also tbh, i wouldn't get my hopes up for the OFFICIAL release from samsung on froyo, but most likely someone will port another galaxy S update to the epic. So sort of like a custom rom with froyo running it.

Was told early to mid October today.

entropism said:
Was told early to mid October today.
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October isn't cutting it for me...
We only have Samsung's word when it comes to updates that they will push. After Samsung publicly promised that Froyo would be out by September, now you say mid-October?
Of course the updates will roll out once everyone's 30 day return period is up.
Samsung didn't even *promise* for other bug fixes that the Galaxy phones have! I mean come on, have you seen the list of official problems with the Fascinate? How long do you think those problems will take to be fixed (if ever?)
I'm being a pessimist, but I would LOVE for Sammy to prove me wrong.

I have not heard anything about the Epic getting the update but I know Verizon is planning as of right now for an October 2.2 update.
I will bet now that clockwork is slowly getting ported over that a custom 2.2 rom is not very far away for the rooted memebers

Definitely like the Epic more than Evo so not even considering moving anywhere. Who doesn't like improvements to their gadget..
Despite all the haba-haba concerning the gps, mine works fine with gmaps and copilot, no back button issue and so forth. Now if I could just find the battery drain culprit I'll be even more satisfied. As I'm typing I can watch my battery drop from 74 to 72. The battery meter/gauge needs some calibrating I think and some power management would be welcome.
Hmm, what else..guess I'll be on ebay later today for some cheap xl batteries and such. But seriously, this phone blows me away..so good and responsive. Love it.

NeonMonster said:
... I mean come on, have you seen the list of official problems with the Fascinate? How long do you think those problems will take to be fixed (if ever?)
I'm being a pessimist, but I would LOVE for Sammy to prove me wrong.
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Being an Epic user why are you even worried about the Fascinate? Especially since most of its problems are due to the Verizon customizations and a lack of QA by Verizon.

radar5 said:
Being an Epic user why are you even worried about the Fascinate? Especially since most of its problems are due to the Verizon customizations and a lack of QA by Verizon.
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samsung is the one that issues the updates, not verizon. Since fascinate is a galaxy S phone, just like the epic, with common/similar problems, it might have the same treatment as the fascinate had (which means 1-2 updates, and then nothing).
People keep saying that galaxy s phone is where samsung "turns" their rep around, but i have yet to see any of the galaxy s phones being supported. Hence why i said there might not be a 2.2 update, but will most likely be a 2.2 rom modded for the epic.

Samsung hasn't even activated their MediaHub which, theoretically, will bring in a lot of revenue. I'm sure that is a higher priority for them than 2.2. I wouldn't expect our updates before they get that out the door. But then I'll start worrying.

Having a Nexus One And HD2 with android 2.2 i gotta say im disappointed by this phone. Not because of the hardware, Its great. I love throwing video files on it and watching them on the wonderful screen, i love the keyboard, pretty much no hardware complaints. But I been spoiled by android 2.2 and its enhancements.
I didnt think it would be a big deal when i got the phone, but i constantly find myself going back to my other phones for web browsing (sprint 3G is a JOKE!) and using my epic for video playing. I only had the phone a couple days and im gonna give it a better shot, but hopefully we see 2.2 by the beginning of october. If not i will sadly return the phone and pony up for a G2 or My touch HD.

LordLugard said:
Despite all the haba-haba concerning the gps, mine works fine with gmaps and copilot, no back button issue and so forth. Now if I could just find the battery drain culprit I'll be even more satisfied.
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Just a shot in the dark but is your phone settings keeping the GPS sensor powered up all the time? I mean, the symptoms match.

MvP77 said:
Having a Nexus One And HD2 with android 2.2 i gotta say im disappointed by this phone. Not because of the hardware, Its great. I love throwing video files on it and watching them on the wonderful screen, i love the keyboard, pretty much no hardware complaints. But I been spoiled by android 2.2 and its enhancements.
I didnt think it would be a big deal when i got the phone, but i constantly find myself going back to my other phones for web browsing (sprint 3G is a JOKE!) and using my epic for video playing. I only had the phone a couple days and im gonna give it a better shot, but hopefully we see 2.2 by the beginning of october. If not i will sadly return the phone and pony up for a G2 or My touch HD.
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What enhancements? The UI is the same as 2.1. It's not going to change that much. Sure, the benchmarks will be much higher because of JIT, but performance isn't going to increase that much. I'm not sure what you mean by being "spoiled". Do you mean the apps2sd card feature that only about 1 in 20 apps have?

infamousjax said:
What enhancements? The UI is the same as 2.1. It's not going to change that much. Sure, the benchmarks will be much higher because of JIT, but performance isn't going to increase that much. I'm not sure what you mean by being "spoiled". Do you mean the apps2sd card feature that only about 1 in 20 apps have?
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You also get the v8 engine in the browser which makes it much faster at rendering photos.
Btw, sprint's 3g I find to be much better than t-mobiles since you could walk 5 feet and be stuck on edge with them. Happens to my sister with n1 all the time. We are in an area that is 3g for the other 3 carriers but only edge for tmo.
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infamousjax said:
What enhancements? The UI is the same as 2.1. It's not going to change that much. Sure, the benchmarks will be much higher because of JIT, but performance isn't going to increase that much. I'm not sure what you mean by being "spoiled". Do you mean the apps2sd card feature that only about 1 in 20 apps have?
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Lol, no its more than that. Like I said I love the phone. But I miss things like flash 10. The new gmail and Google search. Other things I cant put my hands on at this moment.
Like I said, I didn't think it would be a big deal when I got the phone and its really not as I replaced Google search with vlingo and use skyfire for video (when I can get decent speeds on sprints so called 3G or 4G.)
Funny, as I type this I realized the problem I have is not so much 2.1 vs 2.2 (although 2.2 is just better) but more with sprints network. On 3g I only get an avg of .5kbs and on 4G I get around 2 saw as high as 5mbs. I avg atleast 4mbs on T-Mobile.
It makes a world of difference when browsing or checking out a quick video.

rufflez2010 said:
You also get the v8 engine in the browser which makes it much faster at rendering photos.
Btw, sprint's 3g I find to be much better than t-mobiles since you could walk 5 feet and be stuck on edge with them. Happens to my sister with n1 all the time. We are in an area that is 3g for the other 3 carriers but only edge for tmo.
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Total opposite for me. I have 3g everywhere I go on T-Mobile. Maybe if I go 30miles outside the city to the country it would be like that. But I don't go outside major cities to often

jasonsf said:
Samsung hasn't even activated their MediaHub which, theoretically, will bring in a lot of revenue. I'm sure that is a higher priority for them than 2.2. I wouldn't expect our updates before they get that out the door. But then I'll start worrying.
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Quick google search turned up several articles stating a release date of September 16th for the media hub: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2368537,00.asp

New Galaxy S keep it or return it?

Hi everyone. I recently bought a Galaxy S (Bell Vibrant) for my wife, she saw it and really liked and i was pretty familiar with the specs and all that and all the good reviews so i jumped in and got it. Now since she has it (4 days) the phone has turned itself off for no reason twice and has also frozen a couple of times with one of them being when i was showing it to an apple fanboy (embarrassed). But anyway now my wife isnt very happy with it because she says it feels very light and cheap and she thinks it would break very easy and also complains about it turning off. Today she saw the icrap 4 in the store and she liked it and now she wants that . She says it feel that it wont break easy and its stylish . Now i dont like the iphone at all and i really dont want to return the SGS and get that but i want whats best for my wife. I just read so much on this forum about all the problems people have with this phone turning off, freezing,lag, screen problems, gps, touch buttons, bad audio quality and a few more... I wonder on the screen i dont know if it will last a year before it starts tint issues burn ins and so on. Now i want to know do you guys think this phone would last at least a year two and do you think all this stuff will be sorted out or should i get her the icrap 4. I really dont like that iphone but it seems suitable for my wife as all she wants is somthing that works takes decent pictures and looks good. Please let me know what you guys think as this is really pita.
Sorry for the long and confusing post..

you keep the SGS and get her the "iwantwhateverybodywantsphone"
SGS is not for the normal person
SGS is for people with computer knowledge and linux understanding and windows haters
SGS is a amazing phone if you know how to use it, and keep it clean, the same techniques used in windows works the same in Android, and it does wonderful stuff
ironically in windows those solutions never last, in Android you do it once, and it remains forever set.
no GPS problem, no lag, no lag fix, no freeze, no turning off on its own, it works perfectly on JH2
your description of the phone "turning off" could be either a battery problem, or the phone ran out of memory due all the background apps no closing off and releasing the memory back

Shes got her mind set on the Iphone4, get it and live happy. If not she'll be whinning about it til contract is up or divorce (which ever is faster)

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Shes got her mind set on the Iphone4, get it and live happy. If not she'll be whinning about it til contract is up or divorce (which ever is faster)
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yup.. that's true, womens are like that.
it's either their way, or their way... they don't care for logic, reason, and never mention who's right, that doesn't exist in their world

AllGamer said:
you keep the SGS and get her the "iwantwhateverybodywantsphone"
SGS is not for the normal person
SGS is for people with computer knowledge and linux understanding and windows haters
SGS is a amazing phone if you know how to use it, and keep it clean, the same techniques used in windows works the same in Android, and it does wonderful stuff
ironically in windows those solutions never last, in Android you do it once, and it remains forever set.
no GPS problem, no lag, no lag fix, no freeze, no turning off on its own, it works perfectly on JH2
your description of the phone "turning off" could be either a battery problem, or the phone ran out of memory due all the background apps no closing off and releasing the memory back
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Yes i know how it is with Android as i am pretty familiar with it. I have a X10 myself and i love it to bits, i dont think im ready to switch it for an SGS. However i am not doubting the software of the SGS but the hardware, my main concern is the screen, i see a lot of people here that have problems with it so my concern is durabilty and lifespan i also see a lot of people on here who sent their phone for repair numerous times and that scares me. Now my wife is not set on the iphone as she is not a big fan of apple herself and shes heard me ***** about how bad and limited it is all the time but she just wants a reliable smartphone that she can depend on and not have it crap out by itself for no reason. She likes the SGS but she also likes the design of the crap 4 and she asked me if that would be more stable and not give problems. I told her that i am waiting on a update (froyo) and all the bugs will be probably fixed. Anyway like i stated before its the hardware thats is troubling me. Do you guys think it will last, more specifically the screen. Also can you recommend me wich firmware to use and wich lagfix? as i see there is a few out there, or should i wait for the official froyo release? Thank you for all your help, i really apreciate it.

AllGamer said:
yup.. that's true, womens are like that.
it's either their way, or their way... they don't care for logic, reason, and never mention who's right, that doesn't exist in their world
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Haha yes that is true. But the wife doesnt really care about the iphone and she is not set for it completly or somthing. She just said she likes the design lol. And if it would work better to get her that. So i am pretty unfamiliar with Samsung phones thats why im doubting it. I know all previous samsungs were crappy and buggy as hell and with weird menus etc.. So now we have the SGS wich is the first phone that i actually like from Samsung but i still have my doubts thats why i am asking you guys.

AllGamer said:
you keep the SGS and get her the "iwantwhateverybodywantsphone"
SGS is not for the normal person
SGS is for people with computer knowledge and linux understanding and windows haters
SGS is a amazing phone if you know how to use it, and keep it clean, the same techniques used in windows works the same in Android, and it does wonderful stuff
ironically in windows those solutions never last, in Android you do it once, and it remains forever set.
no GPS problem, no lag, no lag fix, no freeze, no turning off on its own, it works perfectly on JH2
your description of the phone "turning off" could be either a battery problem, or the phone ran out of memory due all the background apps no closing off and releasing the memory back
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Wow....
I'm sorry but some of your posts are ridiculous.
"SGS is for windows haters and people with Linux undersanding"?
WTF
I'm sure the Bell rep makes you fill out a pre-requisite form before you take away a SGS to make sure you have Linux knowledge and hate windows... Thats how they are marketing the phone too...??
This phone is being marketed to the main stream.
And as far as JH2 being perfect. Guess what? When my SGS died I had already updated it to JH2. I got it back from repair on Friday, its JH2 still, and it has turned off on its own twice now. Fresh from being wiped and repaired. Just browsing these forums and seeing all the people with the same issues JH2 or otherwise is a clear indication that there are some serious issues with this phone. Oh, and my co-worker who picked one up after me has now had to send his in for repair as it died. Its his first smart phone, with all of 5 apps installed, so don't try to blame it on hacking or rooting.
You're apologetic fanboy like posts are getting tiring to be honest.
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As for the original poster. Take it back and get your wife an iPhone 4 if thats what she wants. Apple fan boys drive me nuts too, I know, after my SGS died on me I have never heard the end of it..

Well i definitely see where you are coming from and understand your lack of interest on the SGS
but i'm coming from a total 180, and this is the perfect phone, everything came out as planned, from spec, to speed, to software, to features, to funtionality, to well you name it, everything works the way i expected it to work out of the box
way better than windows devices
i've been through a lot of smartphones before, and nothing comes close to the SGS, all previous "smartphones" were nothing but disasters and let downs
just the same way you think about the SGS i think about the HTC devices and the Blackberries, and the Treo600.
However the Treo650 was quite decent, albeit slow online but it was way better than its predecessor in every other aspect.
I still prefer PalmOS over Windows
put either Android or Palm OS on any device with good spec better than SGS and I'm all over it.
right now at this point in time the SGS is the creme of the crop, the supremacy, the top of the top
Looking forward to next years contenders

Too many apple fanboys.

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Too many apple fanboys.
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Sorry but your post is useless. I am not looking to start a flame war i am looking for advice and opinions from this community. I am not any kind of fan boy and i doubt any of the posters here is. Please if anyone has something to say please do so but lets keep it clean, no flame wars no fan boy and childish comments because you are not helping anyone.

Hey there, I bought the i9000 on recommendation from two friends that were both iPhone users that switched to nexus ones and never looked back. I have been a blackberry user for about 7 years and gone through (destroyed) most of them. This is my first smartphone and i was looking for something with minimal buttons (to break) and a good screen and good battery life. I didn't realize i was also going to end up with a mini super computer! Lagfix not only solved all lag issues, it now performs like a pack of rabid monkeys... on a touch sensitive leash. I have had no issues with the screen, rebooting, or any other hardware related problems. Any issues were related to my inexperience with android which is how i found this place. Just be careful... so while i can't give you any further information about the hardware, I have to warn you that there is a lot of information about rooting Vibrants that doesn't apply to the i9000 even though they are relatively identical, most importantly the recovery hotkey combination.
Anyway, I'm getting off topic. My i9000 is rooted with MCR Script lagfix, GPS fix, and SetCPU on Performance. Its lightning quick, bloody bright, and about 1000x more than I ever could have hoped for out of a smartphone.
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I am on my second Bell i9000m GXY S. Me and my girlfriend bought one just over a month ago.
Mine suddenly died. I had done many flashes and other such things on it, but that wasn`t the cause. The cause was a bad MoviNand chip. Samsungs chip that runs the phone. Before I even modified the phone I was having Force closes. Random reboots and other errors. Having to do battery pulls to get your brand new $600+ phone to work is ridiculous.
I came to Android from Blackberry. Being an apple hater I had no other real choice in my market.
My second Galaxy S (replacement under warranty) came in today. Before I touched anything root it had 2 force closes. It froze once so far under heavy use.
My girlfriends is completely stock and after a couple weeks has random reboots, and other errors similar to mine. I fear her phone will go the same as my first (and likely second) did.
I love the phone but the i9000m seems very buggy and unreliable. I can`t use it for an alarm because 1 out of 20 times it will freeze in the middle of the night. Hers too; which is stock.
It seems to be more of a problem with the Bell variants of the phone, as I see other bell users with the same problems more often then American customers.
I would really wait to make any permanent impressions on the phone until Samsung releasestheir Froyo FW update and possibly fixes the bigger problems with the i9000m.
So I wouldnt push you one way or the other, but be prepared to take that galaxy s off your woman`s hands and buy her a crapple. I may be taking my girlfriends and getting her a Desire HD or whatever HTC releases next in my market. HTC for my friends seems to be rock solid. Again thats just my view and I am probably inaccurate since I don`t own an HTC.
If samsung doesn`t fix the GPS bug (which I have run into on both our phones--- one stock and mine on several roms) and the crashing (stock) on the next couple of updates I will not be buying Samsung again, but will be sticking with Android. I have tried to use the GPS in 3 provinces and 4 states and its really accurate for me less then half the time.

Apple gas been supporting 3g till now in all firware updates. While mr sam sung forgot our froyo
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Apple gas been supporting 3g till now in all firware updates. While mr sam sung forgot our froyo
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Say what? Froyo isn't released yet. Nothing is forgotten before you actually have an officially released product on your phone. Stop being a retard and don't pollute threads with problems about inofficial firmwares. 3g is not entirely perfect on the released firmwares, but it's definetely there.
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I have the Sgs from the begin and any problem... no freeze, Reboots, I thing that people thing froyo will solvent all problems, but this kind of issues are caused for a defective hardware, no software... then maybe should contact samsung to replace the mobile.
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install this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8123924&postcount=40
and disable all the apps that you don't need to be running in the background all the time
it doesn't matter how "smart" are the smartphones now in days, it's still a freaking computer, if it's not optimized, it will just go crazy
i don't even have a task killer installed, as it's not necessary, as long as you maintain the list of apps you allow it to run in the background then the rest is smooth sail.
i9000m stock JH2, no lag fix, the only fix installed is the SMS time fix
solipsism said:
I am on my second Bell i9000m GXY S. Me and my girlfriend bought one just over a month ago.
Mine suddenly died. I had done many flashes and other such things on it, but that wasn`t the cause. The cause was a bad MoviNand chip. Samsungs chip that runs the phone. Before I even modified the phone I was having Force closes. Random reboots and other errors. Having to do battery pulls to get your brand new $600+ phone to work is ridiculous.
I came to Android from Blackberry. Being an apple hater I had no other real choice in my market.
My second Galaxy S (replacement under warranty) came in today. Before I touched anything root it had 2 force closes. It froze once so far under heavy use.
My girlfriends is completely stock and after a couple weeks has random reboots, and other errors similar to mine. I fear her phone will go the same as my first (and likely second) did.
I love the phone but the i9000m seems very buggy and unreliable. I can`t use it for an alarm because 1 out of 20 times it will freeze in the middle of the night. Hers too; which is stock.
It seems to be more of a problem with the Bell variants of the phone, as I see other bell users with the same problems more often then American customers.
I would really wait to make any permanent impressions on the phone until Samsung releasestheir Froyo FW update and possibly fixes the bigger problems with the i9000m.
So I wouldnt push you one way or the other, but be prepared to take that galaxy s off your woman`s hands and buy her a crapple. I may be taking my girlfriends and getting her a Desire HD or whatever HTC releases next in my market. HTC for my friends seems to be rock solid. Again thats just my view and I am probably inaccurate since I don`t own an HTC.
If samsung doesn`t fix the GPS bug (which I have run into on both our phones--- one stock and mine on several roms) and the crashing (stock) on the next couple of updates I will not be buying Samsung again, but will be sticking with Android. I have tried to use the GPS in 3 provinces and 4 states and its really accurate for me less then half the time.
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X10 is a stylish phone, its heavy and looks durable. So why not try to switch (assuming she doesn't mind using your "old phone" .. , and you two are on the same network / phones are unlocked)

Being a sgs owner I would recommend you to return it, it has too many issue straight out of the box. This phone requires alot attention, fixes, patient and time. It does have the potential to better then any mobile out there at this time but only if you posses the aforementioned qualities.
My advice get her desire HD or desire, she will appreciate it more then an iphone.
HTC Desire is really popular within the UK even amongst the women because it is easy to use and is works brilliantly out of the box.

Super Galaxy S said:
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And too many SGS fanboysº

As everyone more or less said:
- install the lagfix!
A) if you're technically inclined, flash the rom to something stable and tested by many (yet unofficial and "beta"): JM8 + voodoo b4 (it's in the dev forum)
B) if you're not, get one click lag fix from the market, it doesn't get any simpler! follow the program instructions, and be done with it
Let her play with it for a while with lagfix.
About the hardware quality, i got a i9000 (not i9000m), there's many different SGS and even with the same design might come from different factories etc etc.
Mine is extremely strong even being plastic, i'm very happy about that so far.
Also it's thin and light and has a big screen.
The iPhone4 has a smaller screen, and its a lot heavier than the SGS.
Additionally, you need to add a cover (bumper, case, etc) around the phone to alleviate antenna issues (granted you don't _need_ but it's very highly recommended), so you lose all the neat design factor.
After exposing her these arguments and showing up the lagfixed phone, let her decide. If she wants the iPhone4 (or Desire HD or what not), then just go for it and ebay the SGS many will buy it.

Samsung Inside info !!!!!!!!

Today i went to a android meet up in Utrecht Holland... There were a few employees from samsung Holland and they said to me that Froyo is going to be released late october early November here in holland. Because they want to do it right at once. .. And he also told me that the GPS will be updated separately. They got a whole team working on the GPS. So this not so nice to hear. But i look it on the bright side. . They are working on it really hard. They also said to me that they do care about the costumers. And they had also 5 galaxy tabs and i can tell you They rock! Quote of the evening : Samsung employee to mee with my Galaxy S in his hand :How the hell can you have a newer firmware then me. .. He got JPH...
Sent from my Spaceship!!!

just as i though, like on the joke poll "when will froyo be released"
i guessed on November/December
you'll see it's going to be a merry Xmas from samsung when they release Froyo on the 25 Dec

Let them take their sweet time, as long as they get it right

So now we are talking about oct/nov.. This is becoming the epix wait.

Well I'm like dying to have it but I'm one for quality then quickness. So if that's true I'm all for the wait.
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AreikUSA said:
Well I'm like dying to have it but I'm one for quality then quickness. So if that's true I'm all for the wait.
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+1 here, I'd rather wait a couple of months for something that won't be unusable that get something now that we'll be constantly complaining over to get patches etc.
I just wish Samsung would be more open with us about these things rather than letting us down. I would respect them more if they'd just tell us straight rather than giving false/un-meetable deadlines.

The lesson learned here for me is that I won't buy a Samsung phone again. The HTC Desire got its update to Froyo a lot earlier. I mean by the time they release Froyo for the Galaxy Google probably has release Gingerbread. Guess we have to wait till June '11 or maybe forever for that...
I got myself blinded by the great hardware specs. But with any hardware it is useless without the proper software to it. I dont think I expect to much from a device I paid 450 EUR for...

When was Desire launched and when was Galaxy S?
Also, have you read about the delays of eclair for htc hero?
Anyway, my last htc phone was and will be htc hero (beside poor costumer support they have inferior hardware in comparison to motorola, samsung, etc)*.

Don't start me on Motorola Europe. Just look at their Facebook page. Be warned though it is almost entirely Adult rated and definitely not for those of a delicate nature.

slu125 said:
The lesson learned here for me is that I won't buy a Samsung phone again. The HTC Desire got its update to Froyo a lot earlier. I mean by the time they release Froyo for the Galaxy Google probably has release Gingerbread. Guess we have to wait till June '11 or maybe forever for that...
I got myself blinded by the great hardware specs. But with any hardware it is useless without the proper software to it. I dont think I expect to much from a device I paid 450 EUR for...
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I understand what you are going through, But you must rememeber that the HTC Desire is a clone of the Google Nexus One, THE DEVELOPEMENT PHONE. so OF CAUSE the htc Desire gets the goodies first. Myself I'm pissed off that Froyo disn't have a optimized JIT for Hummingbird cpu! grrrrr.. Frankly I don't care if Froyo comes out anymore as I just wanted the JIT optimized like the Snapdragon cpu's . Also I'm hell thankful for not buying a X10, They still havn't even updated to 2.1 YET! so when (if) we SGS people are playing with Froyo (be it broken) they will finally get 2.1! heheh

ickyboo said:
I understand what you are going through, But you must rememeber that the HTC Desire is a clone of the Google Nexus One, THE DEVELOPEMENT PHONE. so OF CAUSE the htc Desire gets the goodies first. Myself I'm pissed off that Froyo disn't have a optimized JIT for Hummingbird cpu! grrrrr.. Frankly I don't care if Froyo comes out anymore as I just wanted the JIT optimized like the Snapdragon cpu's . Also I'm hell thankful for not buying a X10, They still havn't even updated to 2.1 YET! so when (if) we SGS people are playing with Froyo (be it broken) they will finally get 2.1! heheh
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The thing that will really piss people off will be the upcoming galaxy tab that will be shipping with froyo for nov 1. That will make it painfully obvious on where Samsung is directing their dev team

They've worked too long on Froyo. Lets see what kind of garbage they will manage to churn out again. This is consequence of have poor staff engineers and interns as main coders and testers. In reality, the SW team is 2-3 "engineers" and a QA team of just one.

Having come from 1.6 on the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10, who have delayed the 2.1 release yet further to the Galaxy S (JM1) I have no problem waiting for the official release of 2.2.
I'm just happy to have a phone that actually works, unlike many people I have read on this and other forums having issues with the GPS I don't seem to be suffering the levels of inaccuracy that other do. But then again I don't really use the GPS so not even that big an issue for me.
And at least Samsung are getting it together in terms of the 2.2 update, Sony Ericsson looks like delaying the base 2.1 until around December.

I'm in the get it right, rather than get it quick, camp.
2.2 on the desire offers a plethora of nice improvements (I have the official upgrade on my own desire), but it's not faultless. Samsung have a range of issues to deal with and it's not unreasonable to assume that they might need more time to bring the galaxy s up to speed compared with the desire, which was by common consent functioning better under 2.1.
I think one has to be aware that ones personal concerns with the device are not necessarily majority concerns. Comparing my desire with the sgs, I still reach for my sgs for some tasks (internet, streamed media) in preference to the desire. The screen quality makes a massive difference and the speed and graphics acceleration makes the sgs feel more responsive. The desire feels like a workhorse, the sgs feels like fun.
Addressing the issues properly is much more important than rushing out a new set of bugs, in my view. In the meantime I find stock t-mobile fine, and better than most of my experiences with HTC windows mobile handsets out of the box.
If you really want 2.2 now you, can get it. Personally I find it reassuring that a professional team is out there trying to get it stable and optimised for the device.

Good info, thanks.

I'm all for quality too. I haven't touched my stock 2.1 yet. No lag fix, no rooting or anything, and I'm quite happy with it.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like the features of 2.2 as well, especially voice activated, handsfree dialing via bluetooth, but I'm not willing to take the risk of bricking my phone because leaked roms, or lag fixes may cause damage.
Some of you are willing to take that risk, more power to you, that's what development is all about. I'm just not willing to do that as yet. If Samsung stated they won't be providing an update, then fine. But they are, and I'm willing to wait.
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Personally I find it reassuring that a professional team is out there trying to get it stable and optimised for the device.
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asicman said:
They've worked too long on Froyo. Lets see what kind of garbage they will manage to churn out again. This is consequence of have poor staff engineers and interns as main coders and testers. In reality, the SW team is 2-3 "engineers" and a QA team of just one.
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How do YOU know that? Or do you just like trolling?
In reality, it might be that device development is a lot more difficult than people think. OSX Server 10.5 is an example of a product which took MUCH longer than 4 months to be useful, and we all know that Apple aren't a team of 2-3 engineers. How much Froyo development experience do you have to be able to say whats acceptable?

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How do YOU know that?
Or do you just like trolling?
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Look at the end result. Look the SGS that most people have in their hands...

Umm, thats a silly assumption.
The difference is that whilst every unhappy user seems to be jumping thread to thread making noise, those of us who are happy aren't creating threads everywhere praising Samsung. The discussions are unbalanced here. At one point of time, someone DID create a thread which was for people who liked the device, and it REALLY filled up.
So really, you don't have ANY development experience do you? It's more likely Samsung simply launched the product a bit prematurely in order to capture the market (and it worked), and now they are fixing the bugs. They have already fixed a lot..
You must also remember, we don't have access to the latest Samsung Builds.

Thinking of switching from Captivate to Streak...

I bought a Samsung Captivate over a Dell Streak a few months ago when I was looking to make the jump to Android (largely because the captivate had 2.1). I was able to overlook the many small issues with the Captivate (including gps probs), but I've already gone through two of them thanks to hardware defects. I'm giving serious thought to switching to the Dell Streak now that 2.2 is out for it, but I wanted to hear some thoughts from you guys since you've all been using it for a while. Are there any major issues plaguing the Streak? How is the GPS? Does it ever encounter any power problems such as the random shutdowns that occur on some of the Galaxy S phones? Is it awkward to hold while talking?
Switching to Android was one of the best things I've ever done, I just wish I had known ahead of time about the hardware probs with the particular phone I chose. I'm stuck with AT&T since I'm on a family plan, so I'm really hoping the Dell would be a better option for me since it's the only other phone they have that compares in terms of features.

Do it, its the best phone u will ever have.
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I have to agree.
I've had my streak a little over a month and love it, most this time I've been using Steve's 2.2 which is very usable.
If you can swap, have large pockets and don't mind looking a bit of a fool with what amounts to a brick stuck to your ear then go for it! I personally got for function over fashion and the streak is very functional.
To answer you questions:
*Gps is very fast especially when assisted with 3g/gsm location services.
*Battery life is phenomenal I have wifi and 3g constantly swiching all day whilst polling my server monitoring software every minute (Nagios), have 3 mail boxes being pushed (emails every 10 minutes) as well as playing the odd game, web surfing, Bluetooth (on and off) etc.
*I am a medium business user and rely on my phone to manage my business. I wouldnt swap my phone even if it does resemble a paving slab .
In short if you can, get one.
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+1 to that!
What an incredible device. There really isn't much more I need it to do tbh. Just get your head around the overall size of it (you get used to it very quickly) and you will, I think, really enjoy the experience! Ooo that sounds a bit dodgy dunnit....

I didnt realize how much I missed having working GPS until i switched over to the Streak...
Also, I am not missing the long swipe action required to answer a call.
I have my Streak doing everything I had the Captivate doing with the exception of Flash, which should all be rectified within a couple of weeks with the 2.2 upgrade...
The only regret or pause I have/had was shelling out the 6 bills for the Streak, cuz I don't think the cappy will bring much more than $300 on a good day...

Well another concern I've had is that the Streak doesn't seem to have as large a userbase as the Captivate does. There aren't as many mods and tweaks floating around, not as many options in terms of custom ROMs or support. And (at least here in the states) It seems like no at&t reps or anybody has any clue what the hell it even is. It was only in the last month that Best Buy actually started carrying them in stores, affording me the opportunity to play with one first hand (definitely jealous after that). Do you guys ever feel restricted? Or is it simply that the phone doesn't need as much crap to get around stock appearance/settings?
Oh, and How's Angry Birds on that huge screen, anyhow? =)

I had the Samsung Galaxy S for 2 months now and decided to sell it. The lag issues, poor JIT compiler and still un-released Froyo 2.2 in Australia was driving me nuts.
The version of Froyo I had (JPO) was pretty ordinary, and had to be lag fixed by changing the file system from RFS to EXT4. The only problem with this was the reliability, and I was starting to get errors.
The only bonus I can see with the SGS (including Captivate) is their ability to play DIVx (avi files) straight off the bat, and in any resolution easily. I'm not sure if the DS can do it, by the looks its only WMA/MP4 H.263 files, and no DIVx (same as the Nexus One)
Dell seems to have got their act together with this device. I can't wait to get mine tomorrow.

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I bought a Samsung Captivate over a Dell Streak a few months ago when I was looking to make the jump to Android (largely because the captivate had 2.1). I was able to overlook the many small issues with the Captivate (including gps probs), but I've already gone through two of them thanks to hardware defects. I'm giving serious thought to switching to the Dell Streak now that 2.2 is out for it, but I wanted to hear some thoughts from you guys since you've all been using it for a while. Are there any major issues plaguing the Streak? How is the GPS? Does it ever encounter any power problems such as the random shutdowns that occur on some of the Galaxy S phones? Is it awkward to hold while talking?
Switching to Android was one of the best things I've ever done, I just wish I had known ahead of time about the hardware probs with the particular phone I chose. I'm stuck with AT&T since I'm on a family plan, so I'm really hoping the Dell would be a better option for me since it's the only other phone they have that compares in terms of features.
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i have the captivate and hated it before i got my streak and I REALLY Hate it now - Dell's software is TERRIBLE and so is their engineers and support is worse, BUT the hardware WORKS and works WELL and with Steve making the Dell team look down right grade schoolish you can't miss with the Streak.. The only thing i dislike(d) about it was the bluetooth volume on calls (Dell Software Issue again), but Steve has taken care of that also (just Read and Read some more until you get your Steak on 1.4.5) and it will be down right BEASTLY.
Now back to the captivate and samsung - software imperfections can be forgiven and worked out in the future, but hardware problems and LIES from a company telling you they fixed a problem that can only be fixed with a MASSIVE recall is WRONG! At least Dell just won't respond Samsung is contantly coming out with more and more overpriced products like their previous products were something to brag about - Dell stinks, but they seem to at least be putting effort into addressing the Streak's shortcomings before selling us something else (though i will say this in closing - If Not for Steve My Streak surely would have gotten returned 2 weeks ago) oh yeah a lot of ROMS to chose from are cool, but JUST 1 that actually works -PRICELESS!

I just sold my captivate 2 weeks ago to get the streak. Do it. You won't regret it. Everything on the phone just works. Sure its slow out of the box, but I've got DJ_Steve's Rom up and running on it and its awesome. GPS, which did "work" on my captivate is simply perfect on the streak. There just aren't a million, "how to fix your gps" threads here for a reason. When I use the gps I feel like I couldnt get better performance out of a Garmin. For real.
The extra screen real estate is a pleasure to have. Just the extra inch vastly improves web browsing, movies, etc. It is bigger than the average phone out there, but I do not feel at all awkward making a call on it. I don't care. I like the phone so much that wether or not someone thinks I look silly on it does not show up on my radar.
There are no "lag fix" conversations around here either. For a reason. Not needed.
There are no "memory leak" threads either. For a reson. Not needed.
It literally reminds me of someone being in a room for so long and not realizing they were breathing stale air until someone lets them out and they get a breath of fresh air.
The lack of custom roms is refreshing, not having to wade through 50 different roms and then feel like I have to flash every other day to try to fix something that is borked and then have to reinstall all the apps again, sign back into google, restore all my settings on the phone and in apps, etc. I finally feel like I just get to use my phone for what it is, a tool and a toy and not always be looking at it as a project that needs constant improving. Not that flashing a new rom isnt sometimes fun, but DJ_Steve has enough frequent updates and add ons that if I get the itch it seems there will be something available. Also Cyanogenmod will be out for it soon also.
Just do it. Best money spent in a while.

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Well another concern I've had is that the Streak doesn't seem to have as large a userbase as the Captivate does. There aren't as many mods and tweaks floating around, not as many options in terms of custom ROMs or support. And (at least here in the states) It seems like no at&t reps or anybody has any clue what the hell it even is. It was only in the last month that Best Buy actually started carrying them in stores, affording me the opportunity to play with one first hand (definitely jealous after that). Do you guys ever feel restricted? Or is it simply that the phone doesn't need as much crap to get around stock appearance/settings?
Oh, and How's Angry Birds on that huge screen, anyhow? =)
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Angry Birds is the best on the Dell Streak. I love playing it on this phone and it is better than when I had my iphone, captivate, and nexus one.

I totally agree with how you feel about Samsung.

Right on, thanks for the input everybody. As of this moment, Samsung has had my defective Captivate (2nd one, mind you) at the warranty center for "repair" for over a week. Everytime I call for a status update, they quote me an even longer turn around time. Assuming they actually fix anything, it's going straight to ebay once I get it back. Can't wait to make the switch now, my experience with Samsung and their support center has been utterly appalling. I appreciate the recommendations and will definitely be swapping out my xda captivate bookmarks for dell streak ones so I can get back here asap. =)

Oh, hey, one other question.. Are any of you using LauncherPro on the Streak? I've become accustomed to using it and was wondering you can still lock to landscape orientation on the Streak even though LauncherPro locks to Portrait by default when used on other phones with Auto-Rotation disabled?

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Oh, hey, one other question.. Are any of you using LauncherPro on the Streak? I've become accustomed to using it and was wondering you can still lock to landscape orientation on the Streak even though LauncherPro locks to Portrait by default when used on other phones with Auto-Rotation disabled?
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i use LauncherPro - if you disable auto rotation is will lock in Landscape (i think because the Streak was suppose to be most landscape), but if you enable auto in the preferences it rotates whatever way you want just fine

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i use LauncherPro - if you disable auto rotation is will lock in Landscape (i think because the Streak was suppose to be most landscape), but if you enable auto in the preferences it rotates whatever way you want just fine
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Nice, that's exactly the answer I was hoping for. Thanks! =)

I hope u make your switch soon. I had the Captivate for a few weeks, and sold it. Loving my Streak with 2.2, nothing better in my opinion.
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Galaxy S getting Gingerbread

Not sure if its official or obvious or both. But a someone working from Samsung told me that someone has just received official RC for Gingerbread for Galaxy S.
Sorry for the spam but wanted to share the joy that Samsung hasn't given up on 12 million Galaxy S users....yet.
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Sure Hope so! im getting tired of waiting around for samsung. It's this type of customer service that makes me think of switching to an HTC for my next phone, even though i will miss out on dual core and high end video graphics.
Manufacturers need to start focusing on the total experience rather than hardware. (i would love to see how battery lives of next gen android phones compare)

rajuki said:
Not sure if its official or obvious or both. But a someone working from Samsung told me that someone has just received official RC for Gingerbread for Galaxy S.
Sorry for the spam but wanted to share the joy that Samsung hasn't given up on 12 million Galaxy S users....yet.
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Thanks for the news, but you have to be more explicit: are you talking about the asian, european or american market?
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ghazi.urfali said:
It's this type of customer service that makes me think of switching to an HTC for my next phone, even though i will miss out on dual core and high end video graphics.
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HTC is better? The Desire came out at the same time as the Galaxy S around here (I chose between the two), and they are basically in the same spot we are. http://www.product-reviews.net/2011...htc-desire-owners-will-get-update-eventually/ Waiting for it to come...eventually. A quick search reveals the Incredible doesn't have it officially yet either.
At least us XDA'ers won't have to wait an eternity for carrier-specific releases. In Bell's case they will be months molesting 2.3 (and possibly screwing it up) even after Samsung is finished, but I won't be beholden to their whims.

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Thanks for the news, but you have to be more explicit: are you talking about the asian, european or american market?
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Well, this person works in Nordic division for Samsung so can't really say. My guess is European first. The word is that the release will take some time because Samsung received a lot of complaints for Froyo- so they want to do this one right and freeze the development for Galaxy S- consider it as a farewell gift from Samsung.

ghazi.urfali said:
Sure Hope so! im getting tired of waiting around for samsung. It's this type of customer service that makes me think of switching to an HTC for my next phone, even though i will miss out on dual core and high end video graphics.
Manufacturers need to start focusing on the total experience rather than hardware. (i would love to see how battery lives of next gen android phones compare)
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Mate, Grass is always greener on the other side- isn't it?

I honestly belive, that we will get 2.3 (and mabe some minor improvements within 2.3), but that will be our last update.

I think we well get 2.4 minor update
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Well, this person works in Nordic division for Samsung so can't really say. My guess is European first. The word is that the release will take some time because Samsung received a lot of complaints for Froyo- so they want to do this one right and freeze the development for Galaxy S- consider it as a farewell gift from Samsung.
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Damn it, just one year dev support for phones costing +500$
What a silly consumer world we're running

Do you really expect something great and/or new with 2.3 or 2.whatever??
There will be some other issues again. The battery is still the same, the display is the same, the button won't change, the scratches your devices already have won't go ... so ... what is it good for?!
My stock Galaxy S was ok for calling, sms, mails, and some enternmaint as it comes. So it did/does what they said. Switching to other ROM or adjusting this or that was born by some boring nights at work, just to see how the things are working. But no real need to change anything. So, if they will release another ROM - nice, but if not - who cares.
To have always the newest (is it always better?), the more shiny (unfortunaley it will be easier scratched), the more expensive (did you earn more money in the last past?), the glamour of modern style (do you really think a smartphone beams you to the rich und famous?) belongs exactly to:
What a silly consumer world we're running
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But it makes lots of fun to brick it and get it back to live again.

According to Eldar Murtazin from mobile-review.com 2.3 version should be in 2 months time for Galaxy S phones. At least in Europe.

Am I the only one relying so much on 2.3 fixing the sluggish interface to give us iOs/wp7 smoothness?

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Am I the only one relying so much on 2.3 fixing the sluggish interface to give us iOs/wp7 smoothness?
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No your not the only one. On paper the Galaxy S should be faster than the Desire (which i owned before Galaxy S). But it lags so much its terrible sometimes .. im even embarrased to show the phone to iPhone users.
The problem is the crappy RFS filesystem!!! (Google it). I hope they get rid of that stupid crap and switch to EXT2 or 4.
Sometimes the phone just doesnt react to anything .. and i end up hammering the thumb on the screen. But the phone is frozen for several seconds. Its so anoying!

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Sure Hope so! im getting tired of waiting around for samsung. It's this type of customer service that makes me think of switching to an HTC for my next phone, even though i will miss out on dual core and high end video graphics.
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lol, you are kidding right? as far as i know no htc device has official gingerbread yet so ... i'd say if samsung is able to produce a RC yet they are definitely on track! also i prefer a a good and tested firmware over a buggy and unoptimized one like the first 2.2 firmwares.
and yep: I'm also looking forward with joy to a fantastic 2.3 firmware. i guess they improved a lot due to the production of the nexus s. although i'd prefer a stable release of cm7 ...

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No your not the only one. On paper the Galaxy S should be faster than the Desire (which i owned before Galaxy S). But it lags so much its terrible sometimes .. im even embarrased to show the phone to iPhone users.
The problem is the crappy RFS filesystem!!! (Google it). I hope they get rid of that stupid crap and switch to EXT2 or 4.
Sometimes the phone just doesnt react to anything .. and i end up hammering the thumb on the screen. But the phone is frozen for several seconds. Its so anoying!
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don't be embarrassed, just install the speedmod kernel by hardcore and it will be faster than all the stupid ios&wp7 devices of your friends together . beliefe me!

jodue said:
don't be embarrassed, just install the speedmod kernel by hardcore and it will be faster than all the stupid ios&wp7 devices of your friends together . beliefe me!
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No kernel or ext4 tweaks will fix the lag on our phones, i've been trying everything since day one, its hopeless. The problem isn't just the rfs filesystem, its also touchwiz.

@peachpuff
Either you are stupid or you just like to complain...
My i9000 outperforms both my friends iphones and android devices in speed and smoothness. (ok, the iphones are a bit smoother... But it's still better than the androids)
Exept for the GPS, there is nothing wrong with the galaxy that can't be fixed by mods.
And so far, Samsung has a pretty good update record. All of their unlocked international phones have got updates as fast, or even faster than other OEM's.

Install js5 and speedmod.
Activate lagfix, and i can promis you it will kill the iphone.
And with fasterfix and GPSaids the GPS is really good to.
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I hope Samsung won't stop at 2.3

I am using a custom rom with speed mod my galaxy s is faster and smoother than ever. It scores almost 1500 on quadrant edition.
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