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Petition for HTC to release 2.1 sooner Please help!

Dear all, I found this in another forum and please let the number grow!
http://www.petitiononline.com/a6262/petition.html

I would sign this if it didn't have the fact that they are obligated to provide the update, they have no obligation at all as the product in its current form with 1.5 is fit for the purpose. The 2.1 update is to provide extras in a way and not a firmware update its a complete os change. (well kind of)
I also would like the update asap but to the amount of people on probably all the development sites they are fully out numbered by the users who dont mess with the software 50 fold for the hero so HTC dont really care tbh.. and i know that for a fact
Adding new functionality to an old phone that will hamper the sales of other new 2.1 phones is the conflict any company would undergo as the projected sales are most definitely effected by an update like this!!
Defo sucks... shame HTC cant just release the sources and the pressure to bring out the rom wouldn't be as great.

@anarchyUK: I disagree that HTC aren't obligated to provide Android 2.1 for the Hero.
Had they NOT made public announcements, confirmed 'rumours' to be true in reply to probably hundreds of bloggers' queries (email or otherwise) and even stated expected release dates for the Hero 2.1 update, then one could argue that they are not obligated to provide it. However after making so many promises to Hero users and still not being able to deliver is downright pathetic of them. Nobody forced them to say 1.6 was coming to the Hero, or 2.0 for that matter, OR 2.1. They're the ones who made the announcements, and they're the ones who are obligated to stick to their word now.
I for one am ticked off to the point of never supporting them by getting an HTC phone again. It's even more infuriating when you consider that 1) the Legend has most exactly the same hardware WITH 2.1 support, and 2) independent developers have managed to put together reasonably stable 2.1 builds for both the GSM and CDMA Hero, all WITHOUT access to Hero-specific drivers/kernels or what not (I'm not sure exactly what it is modding devs need to perfect their builds, but you get the idea) that HTC have hidden away for God knows what; doesn't seem like its doing them any good, all they do is keep pushing back their release dates.
So HTC can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. I'm not signing the petition because even if they released the update in the next hour, I will not be getting it out of principle (more stubborn-ness though). I'd rather support the hard-working independent devs because at least they give a **** about Android, and not about how much money they'll get.
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They are obligated to provide a new firmware because 1.5 is BUGGY!

Nonsense.
I agree that I would love to have the 2.x update yesterday but the current 1.5 is rock solid. It never crashed on me and works like a charm.
The only reason I would like the 2.1 update is because of the improvements on the bluetooth stack and the improved voice functions.

i think they delayed 2.1 release cause they haver moved most of there developers to there new devices and the team working on the hero update is probably very small now, if anyone has noticed how buggy these 2.1 leaks are with battery drainage camera color errors, the slowness, i think its the right move for them to delay the release of the update until these issues are sorted

They are not obliged in any way to provide 2.1 because 1.5 is buggy, they are obliged to make every attempt to fix the bugs within 1.5. (uk sales of good act and eu regulations) And for the other responses saying they have announced it and that makes them obliged? are we in make believe land now?
The update is good will from HTC if anything. I think HTC releasing this when they do is a very different thing compared to other companies like nokia who would rather release 10 other variants of a phone instead of upgrading a s60 3rd edition to a 5th edition...
Considering the Hero I have is on a 24 month contract I dont really think banging on about it like people do is really worth the bother. My point being a petition is pointless.

If they're delaying it, they're delaying it for a good reason.

@anarchyuk: From your second post I got the feeling you are talking about 'obligated' in the legal sense...FYI I was talking about them making good on their word. I do realize that they are not legally obliged to provide the 2.1 or other updates, but like I said, we didn't ask for it first, they said they'd release it and got everyone's hopes up. No fault of the users to complain if HTC cannot deliver.

shahid.malik said:
From your second post I got the feeling you are talking about 'obligated' in the legal sense...FYI I was talking about them making good on their word. I do realize that they are not legally obliged to provide the 2.1 or other updates, but like I said, we didn't ask for it first, they said they'd release it and got everyone's hopes up. No fault of the users to complain if HTC cannot deliver.
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I agree in the loyalty sense they are obliged to deliver a promise, but that wasn't aimed at your post it was mainly at the "because 1.5 is buggy they have to release 2.1" train of thought.
who knows what the main reasons behind the delay are but I can guarantee it has some link to money!!
Hopefully the development section for the X10 will kick into gear and then it is bye bye to HTC phones for the time being for me!

I'd rather wait an extra month or two and get a stable, finished product than get a hastened, buggy release, another wave of whining about how evil HTC are to release a buggy software. Some people cannot be pleased.
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kyods said:
I'd rather wait an extra month or two and get a stable, finished product than get a hastened, buggy release, another wave of whining about how evil HTC are to release a buggy software. Some people cannot be pleased.
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Lets be clear here, HTC have released 2.1 with Sense for the Legend, and internally this device is almost identical to the Hero. Therefore, we can be reasonably certain that the reason for the delay is not because it is unfinished or buggy - at least no more so than the version they've shipped on the Legend.
IMHO, it is a marketing decision pure and simple, so that it doesn't affect early sales of the Legend and Desire. They did much the same when they released Sense UI for the Magic some months after the Hero had shipped, despite the fact that the hardware was again very similar.
Regards,
Dave

It's certainly possible, however if the hardware wasn't an issue here, we'd already have plenty of fully-working ROMs ported from the Legend. All the 2.1 ROMs I've tried so far, however, are more or less buggy, which makes me believe the situation is not that simple as it would seem. Still, I'm not a programmer, so it's just a wild guess of mine.

kyods said:
It's certainly possible, however if the hardware wasn't an issue here, we'd already have plenty of fully-working ROMs ported from the Legend. All the 2.1 ROMs I've tried so far, however, are more or less buggy, which makes me believe the situation is not that simple as it would seem. Still, I'm not a programmer, so it's just a wild guess of mine.
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I didn't say that the hardware wasn't an issue - I said that the Legends hardware is almost identical to the Hero's. If HTC had already released the
kernel source for Legend, I'd wager that porting it to the Hero would be comparatively trivial (especially when compared to manually updating 2.6.27 to 2.6.29!) and we'd have fully working ROMs in well less than 2 months!
That being said, I find the latest Villain ROMs (5.2/5.3) are pretty much feature complete and the only issue I have with them is the less than stellar battery life (which I'm sure is a kernel issue).
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
That being said, I find the latest Villain ROMs (5.2/5.3) are pretty much feature complete and the only issue I have with them is the less than stellar battery life (which I'm sure is a kernel issue).
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My feelings exactly. That's why I'm not bothered much with HTC's official ROM being delayed.

maybe the battery issue is the reason it hasnt been released

Looking from a business perspective on petitions,all this will do is annoy HTC to the point where they will say "well,**** you all then!we work our asses off to give them a brilliant update and they try to force us into releasing it sooner.They can stay on 1.5 and we will concentrate on the newest models"
Everyone is getting agitated because they stupidly believed rumours,now they have supposedly said June.until I see on Twitter they have released it,I wont believe any new threads on the 2.1 update!
Basically a petition will just piss them off.How much would you like some people telling you to work fastr?

kyods said:
It's certainly possible, however if the hardware wasn't an issue here, we'd already have plenty of fully-working ROMs ported from the Legend. All the 2.1 ROMs I've tried so far, however, are more or less buggy, which makes me believe the situation is not that simple as it would seem. Still, I'm not a programmer, so it's just a wild guess of mine.
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You're under a misapprehension here. Current custom 2.1 roms aren't buggy because the leaked htc code is buggy. They're buggy because the custom 2.1 rom builders don't yet have access to the 2.1 gsm Hero kernel. All they have to go on are the old kernel & kernels for alternative hardware. It is obvious, more than likely, why 2.1 hasn't been released yet.
Threads about this are boring enough at the best of times, but when posters back up false claims with unsound arguments it dilutes what little value the thread might have had remaining.

Threads about this are boring enough at the best of times, but when posters back up false claims with unsound arguments it dilutes what little value the thread might have had remaining.
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...word!

THAT won't happen. I don't even think HTC will read those petitions, no stakeholder cares about them so it's just wasted time. And thinking that such a petition could cause HTC to react childish as you said is just not realistic. They are in it for the money, and they need happy customers. Thats why we will get 2.1 at some point.
bonesy said:
Looking from a business perspective on petitions,all this will do is annoy HTC to the point where they will say "well,**** you all then!we work our asses off to give them a brilliant update and they try to force us into releasing it sooner.They can stay on 1.5 and we will concentrate on the newest models"
Everyone is getting agitated because they stupidly believed rumours,now they have supposedly said June.until I see on Twitter they have released it,I wont believe any new threads on the 2.1 update!
Basically a petition will just piss them off.How much would you like some people telling you to work fastr?
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Samsung finishes froyo testing?

A leaked email indicates that samsung has completed its testing of froyo.
nexus404 (dot com) /Blog/2010/10/10/samsung-galaxy-s-froyo-update-coming-soon-leaked-email-suggests-froyo-testing-on-the-galaxy-s-is-going-according-to-plan/

I'll believe it when I have froyo made by samsung for the vibrant in my hands.
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Post the exact date from official source or don't open any thread please..

Cool.
At this point, I will be happy if they get the damn firmware on our phones before 2011.
I also hope Samsung gets bitten in the ass for this.
They made a great phone, but are treating customers that paid hundreds of dollars and are still paying a lot of money for their phones like ****.

Emama said:
Post the exact date from official source or don't open any thread please..
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Oh come now. I understand there's been a ton of rumors, but the question mark in the title should have made it clear that it was not an official announcement.
Sure it might be a hoax, but it's hardly promising anything, and it makes sense given that froyo is unlikely to be imminent. If it's some troll then they're doing a pretty weak job of it.
At any rate, it's better than another "I know a guy..."

do all of the people *****ing think samsung is the only phone company that takes forever to release updates? it took motorola forever to release 2.1 for the original droid. 2.2 took a little while, but not as long.

sroach23 said:
do all of the people *****ing think samsung is the only phone company that takes forever to release updates? it took motorola forever to release 2.1 for the original droid. 2.2 took a little while, but not as long.
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I think the reason people aren't willing to give Samsung the benefits of the doubt is because of their behold II "incident".
Anyone can easily lose trust of others, and it is even more so for a big company like Samsung who failed to keep their promises (for behold II).

Wish people would get off how horrible Samsung is. This is bs. HTC has a much worse track record for updates and scandals way back to Hermes era's lack of hardware accelerated video when the hardware was there. Hell, how long was Hero on 1.5 skipping 1.6, 2.0 and finely getting 2.1. HTC and Motorola are also at the forefront of locking down handsets. How long has this phone been out? People need to take a break. I want Froyo as much as the next guy but come on. This is pathetic.

sroach23 said:
do all of the people *****ing think samsung is the only phone company that takes forever to release updates? it took motorola forever to release 2.1 for the original droid. 2.2 took a little while, but not as long.
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True this!
HTC and Motorola both have a buttload of phones they've said they would update to either 2.1 or 2.2 and have missed so many projected release dates that it isn't even funny. I have an unusually high number of friends who have MT3G's, Slides, and Cliq's for some reason. They've all got way more reason to be frustrated with T-Mobile, HTC, and Motorola than I do.
I'm as anxious as everyone else for 2.2, but lets be honest. Very little in 2.2 is going to make a profound difference in our lives. And these are just phones after all. It'll get here when it does...
Then we can all start *****ing about Gingerbread for the next half a year. WEE!

+1 on htc being far worse. In fact, after my tilt experience I promised myself I would never again buy an htc device, ever! And thank god I stuck to it. I laugh at the evo guys when they turn their cam on in bad lighting and see their mighty evo record videos at a beasty 10fps...
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the reason for all this is due to the large amount of normal phone users who are being talked into buying smartphones and have no clue of how this industry works. most of these people would be better served with a simple clamshell phone and mobile internet.

Zylograth said:
the reason for all this is due to the large amount of normal phone users who are being talked into buying smartphones and have no clue of how this industry works. most of these people would be better served with a simple clamshell phone and mobile internet.
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+1. definitely agree.

Zylograth said:
the reason for all this is due to the large amount of normal phone users who are being talked into buying smartphones and have no clue of how this industry works. most of these people would be better served with a simple clamshell phone and mobile internet.
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But without these people, we would never have the smartphone which we have in our hands today. Smartphone going mainstream is the best thing that ever happened to us.

Well the next part is for T-Mobile to start testing FroYo I guess. I doubt we're getting FroYo before mid-November at best I'd guess, considering the GPS update is still rolling out.

Fixing the lag issue (how about just using ext, Sammy?) should be much higher on their List Of **** To Do than 2.2.
After that, and continued GPS improvements, I'll look for Froyo.
-bZj

DonutYankee said:
Well the next part is for T-Mobile to start testing FroYo I guess. I doubt we're getting FroYo before mid-November at best I'd guess, considering the GPS update is still rolling out.
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I think Froyo is just around the corner, that is IF you dont wait for TMO to provide it. I have a feeling once this rom leaks, several devs will get busy cooking up their own flavors, not to mention CyanogenMOD 6.1 which should be soon. Im not installing an official TMO rom ever again....
3rd party is the only way to go.

Samsung working on a new FAST Rom - Release in November ?

SamFirmware have tweeted that Samsung are working on a new fast rom to be released in November ? Possible to UK and so on ?
Maybe they have seen that SGS is not running at peak performance ?
Anyone else have news on this ?

samsung is full of lies, i'll believe it when i see it,
I love their devices, but the support leaves a lot to be desired.

Lets hope it , till than voodoo which works great!
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How many times have they said is going to be released and then they say.. sorry next week.. next month.. is like the kid that cries wolf
Don't know know now to care anymore or to be excited then come November they will say December.. very unprofessional if used ask me.
According to samfirmware Samsung are also thinking of going ginger bread for galaxy s... yea maybe by 2012
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Several reports say the scandinavian 2.2 kies release has been pulled...

from [email protected]:
'We got this information from our Samsung insiders. Samsung is also thinking about Android 3.0 for Galaxy S.'
LoL, how about that to puzzle your mind

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Several reports say the scandinavian 2.2 kies release has been pulled...
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I don't honestly see why they would do that...
Glad I got it while I could though

As they are thinking about Gingerbread, they will probably announce they are ditching 2.2 to focus on getting 3.0 onto the SGS, lol

Darkimmortal said:
I don't honestly see why they would do that...
Glad I got it while I could though
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http://goo.gl/9UOW

psp888 said:
As they are thinking about Gingerbread, they will probably announce they are ditching 2.2 to focus on getting 3.0 onto the SGS, lol
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Some say that gingerbread will be 2.5 :O
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yea... i'll believe it when i see it as well.
it's samsung don't forget. Great product, terrible support (although comming from an Omnia II with absolute 0 support, they are getting better)
They still lack the experience of HTC and such in high end smarphones for tech savy ppl

Same $hit, Same smell = Samsung......

Will.1 said:
yea... i'll believe it when i see it as well.
it's samsung don't forget. Great product, terrible support (although comming from an Omnia II with absolute 0 support, they are getting better)
They still lack the experience of HTC and such in high end smarphones for tech savy ppl
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With the Galaxy S, I became a new Samsung Mobile customer and I'm a little bit disappointed. Not because of the froyo delays, i can survive that. But the lack with standard rfs is horrible given the technical specs this phone has.
Nevertheless, Samsung is one of the best manufactures for notebooks and TVs. In Germany, their support for notebooks is perfect. I've got experiences for a long time with these guys...
Let's wait a few more weeks, life goes on.

If Samsung are seriously considering Gingerbread they will need to up their game - their current speed of development is appalling. If Gingerbread becomes the most popular Android platform in the near future I will definitely consider selling and switching to HTC (Desire Z/HD)

snapper87 said:
With the Galaxy S, I became a new Samsung Mobile customer and I'm a little bit disappointed. Not because of the froyo delays, i can survive that. But the lack with standard rfs is horrible given the technical specs this phone has.
Nevertheless, Samsung is one of the best manufactures for notebooks and TVs. In Germany, their support for notebooks is perfect. I've got experiences for a long time with these guys...
Let's wait a few more weeks, life goes on.
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Yes they are a great company, just don't have a clue about firmware development.
Symbian on Samsung sucked, bada sucks and now android on Samsung sucks as well. They should just focus on the hardware and leave the firmware development to Google. That's not ever going to happen though so I guess we'll just wait for the next nexus, which I still believe will be developed eventually.
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schiphol said:
Yes they are a great company, just don't have a clue about firmware development.
Symbian on Samsung sucked, bada sucks and now android on Samsung sucks as well. They should just focus on the hardware and leave the firmware development to Google. That's not ever going to happen though so I guess we'll just wait for the next nexus, which I still believe will be developed eventually.
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I don't really think it sucks. You are exaggerating. JP6 is fine for me even without any tweaks. Putting the Tab Browser lib and voodoo makes it very very good. I've seen lots of android (and not only) smartphones and the SGS is miles ahead.
I believe most of the people here are just whiners, whatever product they use.

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I don't really think it sucks. You are exaggerating. JP6 is fine for me even without any tweaks. Putting the Tab Browser lib and voodoo makes it very very good. I've seen lots of android (and not only) smartphones and the SGS is miles ahead.
I believe most of the people here are just whiners, whatever product they use.
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I agree with your statement.
People need to remember that the Galaxy S phones have been in the market place for only about four months now. Many so-called "promises" have been speculative promises by random people, not by Samsung. They only promised to release the Froyo update when it's ready around September or October, and they are trying to keep that promise with the recent release in Europe. If you have any understanding of the software development and testing process, providing a major update in four months after the initial release of the product isn't great but not horrible as people say. Besides, we have great fixes that make the phone work really well now anyway. Just use these fixes and be a little patient! ^^ I love my Galaxy S for now...many thanks to VooDoo project and Samsung for at least giving us a great HW device!
BTW, I heard, from the most popular Korean Android website community- iroidcafe, that they discovered some issues with the JPM version and therefore, are pulling the release momentarily to fix the discovered issues before continuing to release the Froyo to the rest.

opica said:
from [email protected]:
'We got this information from our Samsung insiders. Samsung is also thinking about Android 3.0 for Galaxy S.'
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Wait Samsung are thinking? Didn't know they could do that. If they thought about it a little, they would take care of their customers better. A modern-day twelve year old has a higher level of skill in communication than their entire PR section. Actually, based on the mess they call Kies, that twelve year old might be better at programming, too...
Their hardware is pretty awesome though.
OK returning to subject, loosely translated that means a 5-10% faster ROM is coming out in february? march maybe? I have stopped believing them a while ago.

who cares?
I can't upgrade to it anyway, until now I can't make Kies working for my SGS..
(still have no gut to flash using odin..)

Samsung = the worst aftersale support I have ever experienced. And, I haven't had major issues. I would hate to think what it would be like if this phone started playing up (like for some on this forum). Really gives Android the bad name. Hardware = top of the line, no argument about this.
Here is a noble idea Samsung. Spending a little more on your communication to the public will increase our support for your brand. Don't lie or guess. Over estimate rfs dates for releases. You will be suprised how long people are prepared to wait, if they know the exact date. If you company has no credibility with your customers however, no matter what promises you will be making, you simply will be laughed at.
I personally do not believe anything that Samsung are saying. This is my first and the last purchase from this company.

Sony ericsson likes the update game

we have been through a very harsh process of finally getting the 2.1 update on our phones, SE said to have another update on the UIX by december and now I have seen the multi touch working officialy by Rikard on the SE Blog, said by him to have it enabled by the next year Q1 with another update.
This looks like the guys over SE likes to keep their users kind of frustrated with future hopes of getting the phone better with updates, I'm starting to think that they see this like a game

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we have been through a very harsh process of finally getting the 2.1 update on our phones, SE said to have another update on the UIX by december and now I have seen the multi touch working officialy by Rikard on the SE Blog, said by him to have it enabled by the next year Q1 with another update.
This looks like the guys over SE likes to keep their users kind of frustrated with future hopes of getting the phone better with updates, I'm starting to think that they see this like a game
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If they are updating the OS frequently it only shows how they care for their device and want it to be better in my opinion.
Why does it bother you if they are working on an update?
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Versus the non-update game SE typically does?
I'm fine with them improving our phones. Bring it on SE!

Btw there isn't an update in December....that was pushed to "early 2011" and my guess is that multitouch will be included in that update

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that was pushed to "early 2011"
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I think the update comming out to SEUS 31/03-11 (The day before the 4. Quarter)

Maybe Sony Ericsson dont have lots os programmers, and they are not good enough to do the things before the others, the Android 1.6 are ver good costumized by SE, but there are things that needs to be programmed, like:
- Multitouch (driver)
- 16M colors (driver)
- Audio (actual driver is very bad)
- Android 2.2 (costumize and optimize to X10)

I would rather say that they have very good cryptographic team, because that is from what I can see, the best they have on their hardware.

The update in December is delayed to Q1, its the same as the one Rikard mentioned. However this will be another big update, not just enabling partial MT. Though the FW is set to launch in early January, so we should see alot of these new FW stuff at CES which I'll also be there

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The update in December is delayed to Q1, its the same as the one Rikard mentioned. However this will be another big update, not just enabling partial MT. Though the FW is set to launch in early January, so we should see alot of these new FW stuff at CES which I'll also be there
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Cool! Its been a while since we've heard from you
Any idea what the other features are? (*hint* - froyo ? )

Update game or not, im personally fine with it and I think it only shows SE cares about us and the device. They weren't going to implement multi touch but I think they chose to do so because of us the users. If you ask me I say bravo to SE and this might restore some faith into the SE bashers.....it could be a possible sign for froyo.
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I can't help but laugh at all the haters who already sold their phones after reading this, i knew about the update but not that it would bring MT.
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Tjotte said:
I can't help but laugh at all the haters who already sold their phones after reading this, i knew about the update but not that it would bring MT.
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The X10 was, up to just recently, an incredibly crippled phone. Officially running 1.6 into the tenth month of 2010 is an embarrassment. I wouldn't laugh at anyone who decided to cut their losses and look for a better alternative.
The devs on XDA deserve a lot of credit for their perseverance. It is them that made this phone relevant again. Not SE's "brilliant engineers".

jayluke said:
The X10 was, up to just recently, an incredibly crippled phone. Officially running 1.6 into the tenth month of 2010 is an embarrassment. I wouldn't laugh at anyone who decided to cut their losses and look for a better alternative.
The devs on XDA deserve a lot of credit for their perseverance. It is them that made this phone relevant again. Not SE's "brilliant engineers".
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Couldn't agree more about both points.
Personally I'm still very resentful towards SE and will not buy nor recommend any of their products for a least a couple years. The whole talking up THEIR "brilliant engineers" is just more bull**** and pisses me off, is that supposed to be a slap in the face to all the devs out there working to fix their mistakes? Why not tell us the truth about the hardware all along? Why cripple your phone with outdated buggy software and program it not to have multi-touch? What is the incentive there?
At least they're finally listening to all the negative feedback they've been getting, but still...a big part of me wanted to see the devs accomplish multi-touch and Froyo before SE.

Mr Patchy Patch said:
Update game or not, im personally fine with it and I think it only shows SE cares about us and the device. They weren't going to implement multi touch but I think they chose to do so because of us the users. If you ask me I say bravo to SE and this might restore some faith into the SE bashers.....it could be a possible sign for froyo.
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They LIED about the MT since the beginning man. They said the screen was resistive and not capacitive and now they say "oh...we didn't realize it was capacitive. sorry!" Right they didn't...they do not know their own hardware they are developing for?
They do not care...they launched a phone with an outdated OS when 2.1 was already out and it took them 6 months to skin it and add in their branded goods. Now the X12 is going to be launched with 2.1 when 3.0 will be out upon its launch...see a trend here? I personally do not think they care and will never buy another SE phone. Pretty sure many feel the same...see the value of the X10's on eBay now? Dirt and yet the Nexus, older, is selling for $500+ still with the vanilla OS on it. What does that tell you? Function over fashion. Bring on the 2.2 ROM from Jerpelea & Z That will be the saving grace for me and allow me to keep this phone a bit longer. Pretty much every other newer Android phone out there has MT so this phone getting MT after almost a year really is not something to be excited over. Especially when it will only be enabled for surfing and Google maps!?

Udonitron said:
They LIED about the MT since the beginning man. They said the screen was resistive and not capacitive and now they say "oh...we didn't realize it was capacitive. sorry!" Right they didn't...they do not know their own hardware they are developing for?
They do not care...they launched a phone with an outdated OS when 2.1 was already out and it took them 6 months to skin it and add in their branded goods. Now the X12 is going to be launched with 2.1 when 3.0 will be out upon its launch...see a trend here? I personally do not think they care and will never buy another SE phone. Pretty sure many feel the same...see the value of the X10's on eBay now? Dirt and yet the Nexus, older, is selling for $500+ still with the vanilla OS on it. What does that tell you? Function over fashion. Bring on the 2.2 ROM from Jerpelea & Z That will be the saving grace for me and allow me to keep this phone a bit longer. Pretty much every other newer Android phone out there has MT so this phone getting MT after almost a year really is not something to be excited over. Especially when it will only be enabled for surfing and Google maps!?
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There's a lot of hate for SE, but as long as they try to improve the SE experience for those with SE phones, I'm happy. Could they be doing better? Just enabling MT for the X10 is so much more than what they have done in the past. Maybe it's because I had a Nokia as my last phone that I'm happy with any substantial improvement in the OS, haha.
I forgot where I read it, but the turnaround time from new OS to handset is roughly 4 months (it used to be nearly 12 months). Froyo (2.2) came out in May and it's only been in the last couple months where handsets have been getting 2.2. The exception is the N1, but then again, that was sold as a phone for enthusiasts (and pretty much what they're using to test it on). When Gingerbread (2.3) comes out, you can expect at least another 4 months before it gets pushed OTA (besides the N1 and the NS). As they learn Android, I'm sure they'll be faster in issuing updates. Motorola was (and sometimes is) pretty slow in pushing updates for their phones but now they're cranking it out.
In regards to multi-touch... Did they ever say resistive? They were up front when they said it wasn't going to have MT. Yeah, but I agree they should have had it on the X10 in the first place. The N1 didn't have MT at first and they were quick to add it. Nexus One's MT is the same as the future X10 MT. They both are designed for pinch to zoom applications, its a limitation found in the hardware. Games will work but it will have the same multi-touch limitations as the N1. And of course - phones that have just come out have better multitouch... they're newer phones based on newer chipsets which use newer technologies.

I dont get the big idea about MT, its not a big thing, hardly use it on my wildfire.
In regards to the x10 launched with 1.6 for me it was running better than any other device with 2.1 on there. Touch wood but ive never had any problems apart from the in ear volume. So what if the value has dropped. Its the sentimental value that counts.
I praise the devs for their hardwork. Also SE...however i will say Rikard and SE need to get off their fat arses and stop delaying everything.
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rvictorg said:
Couldn't agree more about both points.
Personally I'm still very resentful towards SE and will not buy nor recommend any of their products for a least a couple years. The whole talking up THEIR "brilliant engineers" is just more bull**** and pisses me off, is that supposed to be a slap in the face to all the devs out there working to fix their mistakes? Why not tell us the truth about the hardware all along? Why cripple your phone with outdated buggy software and program it not to have multi-touch? What is the incentive there?
At least they're finally listening to all the negative feedback they've been getting, but still...a big part of me wanted to see the devs accomplish multi-touch and Froyo before SE.
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i think ur taking it too far man...personally i think 1.6 was pretty good and after i updated to 2.1 i was very pleased. the updating was easy and i easily restored my contacts using the default backup and restore app
the battery life on the x10 is incredible, consitently get about 2 full days of regular usage(surfing net before classes, a little talking, some txting and listening to 1-2 hrs of music everyday). while my friend with the iphone 4 complains about terrible battery and dropped calls(he has a case too!)
the phone looks very nice and feels solid, the software isn't "buggy" i haven't had any problems with it at all(no root or anything btw). and the 2.1 version is soo smooth and looks very nice compared to say a stock android 2.1. people complain about mediascape and timescape, but personally i love them timescape doesn't use too much cpu if u disable the services (like txt, email, fb, etc) and mediascape is miles ahead of android in media playing ability.
and just to remind you, those engineers are working very hard, remember they have to develop the software for the phone from scratch and optimize every bit of it, and yes the developers here do a lot of work, but they just have to fix what the engineers messed up or modify some files, and with thousands of lines of code, its easy to mess up somewhere. im a chemical engineering major right now, and i dont know anything about computers, but in general engineers are very bright people and probably know what they are doing better than what we do.

though im not a se fanboy (this is my first se product and might be my last) some people need to tone it down. stop ranting against se like theyre the antichrist. this is my first android phone so i was still amazed with my phone even with 1.6. (android 1.6 is waaaaay better than ios 3.0) and after flashing to 2.1 my phone is enough to make my friends agree that my x10 is better than one of our friend's iphone 4 (i wouldnt be so sure of that but when they see me multitasking with widgets, live wallpaper, H connection what evr the hell that is, and removeable parts like batteries, memory, sim, etc. its hard to disagree) i will admit the x10 is nerfed by se but if you wanted a phone that focused more on android rather than custom software you should have done your research. i knew from the begining that my phone was an "android" but with se's "timescape and mediascape" ontop of "1.6" which is outdated. i also read that mt wasnt available and most likely wouldnt be. these are the things that piss people off yet these are the things you always see in online reviews, the research isnt hard. i knew what i was reading before i even knew what the terms fully meant. luckily we have devs to help fix these problems, but as i said earlier once i can upgrade i doubt ill get a se phone again (unless that psphone turns out to be real and stable, that thing looks sweet)
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one think we should thank to the updates is that the price of the device that had dropped very down, maybe getting up right now.
so we have:
android 2.1,
1ghz,
4 inches
and
MT coming soon.
Try to catch a phone with those features with less than 360 bucks on ebay, only the X10.
I was thinking to getting the droid 2 GSM when it comes out, but now I really like my phone with those new things.
And the upcoming android 2.2 will be very welcome among us
SE works hard to make their devices with a pleasant experience, just like apple do with their iphones that have the best out-of-the-box experience among smartphone. even if Sony doesn't have the best state of the art technology on the world of android, we cannot deny that the UI has been carefully finished.
and btw, the x10 with 2.1 is among the best battery life GSM android phones right now, just ask someone who owns a Evo 4G about battery life and you will get it
Note: the H up there means HSDPA, which is commonly known as 3.5G for internet access, sometimes it will go to 3G again because of low signal or very congested network

I love the update game and hope it continues since it feels like I have a new phone every time a big update comes out. I find it incredible that people complain about SE keeping the promise they made to support the phone for 2 years.

Samaung testing 2.3 on our I9000!

Samfirmware twittered last night http://mobile.twitter.com/samfirmware/status/34382086026567681
Samsung test Android 2.3 for i9000 and p1000 we have no more info at the moment.
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This is very good news!

Why make another thread for this ? It's already in the "Android 2.3 any info?" post.. It's XDA Forum here, not Twitter, we don't need zillion of posts about 2.3 status.

very good!!!!!

I think they testing on their own i9000 because mine still got 2.2 froyo wich is also not official rom because no foryo yet released for pakistan

samsung is extremely lazy in releasing updates, so relax and go to sleep !

Haven't they been 'testing' for months....
Useless!!
I was personally told they were testing 2.3 before froyo was even released for the sgs.
Come upgrade day, not sure I will stick with Samsung, I love my sgs but the updates and software coding they do to their own android versions, really does suck.
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While i agree with the Samsung bashing about software quality and other updates.
Is there any real benefit to roms on other devices. I know of cyanogen name miui. But at the end of the day there ain't too much of a benefit over what we already have.
At the end of the day what Samsung may lack in software they made up for in the hardware on our devices.
Everybody here will have done their research before buying the device, it weren't hard to work out Samsung were still getting to grips with android.
Im sure in time they will mature and make very good software, but this will take time. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Totally agree man, the SGS was my first android, and also my first Samsung and I have been with them ever since. I have bought a nexus S the day it came out. Samsung hardware is great but they seemed to be overwhelmed with the different models and such. And with the SGS2 coming out soon, I am not sure about 2.3 for us. However that is why XDA is so important for us.
Rome might not be built in a day, but ROMs can be
SkinBobUk said:
While i agree with the Samsung bashing about software quality and other updates.
Is there any real benefit to roms on other devices. I know of cyanogen name miui. But at the end of the day there ain't too much of a benefit over what we already have.
At the end of the day what Samsung may lack in software they made up for in the hardware on our devices.
Everybody here will have done their research before buying the device, it weren't hard to work out Samsung were still getting to grips with android.
Im sure in time they will mature and make very good software, but this will take time. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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While I appreciate the fine work done on the xda ROM's, I would much rather like the official ROM that has undergone a lot of testing and has the backing of the manufacturer. Since Samsung has not given any indication of its commitment to a phone beyond a few months, the Galaxy S would probably be the last Samsung product that I buy.

chrisjcks said:
Haven't they been 'testing' for months....
Useless!!
I was personally told they were testing 2.3 before froyo was even released for the sgs. Come upgrade day, not sure I will stick with Samsung, I love my sgs but the updates and software coding they do to their own android versions, really does suck.
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This might come as a shock, but it's one thing to ship a customised ROM with plenty of upgrade issues (etc).
It's a total other for a major company to do so. I know the guys at XDA make ROM development seem easy, but the reality is, that's because Samsung has already done most the work for them.. Lets be realistic, any ROM out there in the community which isn't a slightly modified Samsung ROM, is extremely buggy still.. Furthermore, Samsung needs to consider the various rebranded models, etc.

Auzy said:
This might come as a shock, but it's one thing to ship a customised ROM with plenty of upgrade issues (etc).
It's a total other for a major company to do so. I know the guys at XDA make ROM development seem easy, but the reality is, that's because Samsung has already done most the work for them.. Lets be realistic, any ROM out there in the community which isn't a slightly modified Samsung ROM, is extremely buggy still.. Furthermore, Samsung needs to consider the various rebranded models, etc.
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Bro, have you tried CM7? It's fricken amazing.
A lot of folks here on XDA are (almost) as talented, or even more so, than half the clowns working at Samsung. I'm sure they learn a thing or two from around here.
Only reason the Nexus S is so good is because Google did all the development.
Yes, Samsung has eventually shipped very nice & fast 2.2.1 ROMs. But how long did it take, and how long will it take for Gingerbread?
I'm placing my faith in CM7 which will continue to improve.

chambo622 said:
Bro, have you tried CM7? It's fricken amazing.
A lot of folks here on XDA are (almost) as talented, or even more so, than half the clowns working at Samsung. I'm sure they learn a thing or two from around here.
Only reason the Nexus S is so good is because Google did all the development.
Yes, Samsung has eventually shipped very nice & fast 2.2.1 ROMs. But how long did it take, and how long will it take for Gingerbread?
I'm placing my faith in CM7 which will continue to improve.
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I wouldn't doubt samsung used some of the kernel devs from heres code in their 2.2.1 roms (namely lastufo, hardcore and trasig)

jaganm said:
While I appreciate the fine work done on the xda ROM's, I would much rather like the official ROM that has undergone a lot of testing and has the backing of the manufacturer. Since Samsung has not given any indication of its commitment to a phone beyond a few months, the Galaxy S would probably be the last Samsung product that I buy.
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Unfortunately that is also my point of view and I cannot spend my hard earned money to a company that cannot commit itself to it's costumers. Probably the Galaxy S will be the last phone from Samsung that I buy.
On a side note, I'm looking forward for the Nokia / Microsoft partnership. I played with a WP7 this days and I got very surprise by the build quality and software.

Arkymedes said:
Unfortunately that is also my point of view and I cannot spend my hard earned money to a company that cannot commit itself to it's costumers. Probably the Galaxy S will be the last phone from Samsung that I buy.
On a side note, I'm looking forward for the Nokia / Microsoft partnership. I played with a WP7 this days and I got very surprise by the build quality and software.
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WP7 would be mistake buddy ....

if we can't get 2.3 from samsung, maybe ROM modders here in XDA can

chambo622 said:
Bro, have you tried CM7? It's fricken amazing.
A lot of folks here on XDA are (almost) as talented, or even more so, than half the clowns working at Samsung. I'm sure they learn a thing or two from around here.
Only reason the Nexus S is so good is because Google did all the development.
Yes, Samsung has eventually shipped very nice & fast 2.2.1 ROMs. But how long did it take, and how long will it take for Gingerbread?
I'm placing my faith in CM7 which will continue to improve.
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I'm afraid this post is pure tripe!
CM7 is nowhere near stable yet; not even all the "advertised" features work! I'm not bashing them, because they know there's still bugs, but just think for a minute.... how vocal would you be, in a very demeaning manner, if Samsung had put out CM7 as it stands now?
As for Google "doing all the development [on Nexus S] - I think you'll find that they only did (at most) 50%. Most, if not all, the initial hardware driver support, which is the KEY to making Android work on any device, will have been done by Samsung, as it's them who has the knowledge, skills & facilities to make the phone. Once you've got the hardware drivers / abstraction layer; its very easy to put any OS you want on top! (do you really, really think there's a huge hardware difference between Samsung's Bada, Android, WP7 & even Symbian phones?)
Now, I'm not saying Samsung are the best at delivering updates, but they're better than some *cough* Motorola *cough* and their hardware is still the pinnacle of what's available. And yes, there's a few talented people on XDA, but there's also a hell of a lot more who muddy the waters and generally add to the nonsense going round by wrongly accusing Samsung / XDA devs / polar bears of X, Y, & Z.

Some of you have to take a good look into all that is "technology" and the likes...Most likely, once a device is out, YOU WILL NOT GET MAJOR UPDATES besides bug correction. And this is valid for every company.
Consider yourself lucky to get major release like 2.2 or 2.3, most of the others makers (HTC, Sony, Motorola) are still on 2.1.
Take a good look there and see by yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Android_devices
Most of the devices don't even have 2.2.1 and the only one with 2.3 is still Nexus S.
WP7 had a long run before releasing the first bug correction (not even sure if it's out yet...)
Even worst, iOs users have to PAY for their release
So, you can complain all you want but reality is far from what you are thinking...
Now, as for 2.3, it's supposed to be optimised for SGS hardware (because of the Nexus S), can't wait to see how it goes!

theres a good chance we will get 2.3 because galaxy s phone are still being sold and the 4g ones

I sincerely hope samsung is gonna surprise us one of these days (even then probably later rather than sooner), since 2.3 is finally optimized for the hummingbird aswell... Also the screen shutdown animation kicks ass.
On another note: Samsung should really communicate better, and ffs train your customer support. I tried to poke for some information earlier this week, and I got a response saying: Samsung is not responsible for the updates, please contact the responsible party, in this case "Android".

Testing ! In galaxy S2 v2.3 ... S3 v2.4
Galaxy S 16Gb Int
CM7 Honeycomb