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Dell Streak worth it? Is it any good?

I've just seen that i can get the Streak for £60 with a £30 a month contract on O2. I'm very tempted... but is it worth it? What don't you like about the phone, what do you love about it?
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
Cheers!

Meltus said:
I've just seen that i can get the Streak for £60 with a £30 a month contract on O2. I'm very tempted... but is it worth it? What don't you like about the phone, what do you love about it?
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
Cheers!
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Naw... its a terrible phone and no one here would ever buy one
What dont I like about it? EVERYTHING
What do I love about it? NOTHING
Might as well get a locked down iPhone am I right?

I did that very deal,
As to whether I love it or not, well that's a tricky one, but easily demonstrated by the realisation that I haven't touched my hd2 Since... and those who know me will know how much Time I used to put into hacking that one..
The one review of the streak summed it up for me perfectly;
It has its foibles, its never going to be mainstream, it could easily become a classic, and if you're The kind of geek who likes experimenting, tinkering and improving things then this is the device to have.
be aware its more pda than phone though... it works fine as a phone, but its not its primary function..
Almost polar opposite to MS and their stooped winmoan 7 philosophy....
Sent from my Dell Streak using Tapatalk
Edit, I should also point out that I rarely use my laptop at home anymore...unless its attached to the streak and I'm running a adb shell investigating how it works...

ap3604 said:
Naw... its a terrible phone and no one here would ever buy one
What dont I like about it? EVERYTHING
What do I love about it? NOTHING
Might as well get a locked down iPhone am I right?
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I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at?
I've been using android phones ever since the G1 was first released and i'm thinking about getting the Streak, I was just curious as to what it's pros and cons are.
fards said:
I did that very deal,
As to whether I love it or not, well that's a tricky one, but easily demonstrated by the realisation that I haven't touched my hd2 Since... and those who know me will know how much Time I used to put into hacking that one..
The one review of the streak summed it up for me perfectly;
It has its foibles, its never going to be mainstream, it could easily become a classic, and if you're The kind of geek who likes experimenting, tinkering and improving things then this is the device to have.
be aware its more pda than phone though... it works fine as a phone, but its not its primary function..
Almost polar opposite to MS and their stooped winmoan 7 philosophy....
Sent from my Dell Streak using Tapatalk
Edit, I should also point out that I rarely use my laptop at home anymore...unless its attached to the streak and I'm running a adb shell investigating how it works...
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Haha, it definitely sounds like my kind of phone
I still have my Nexus, so i guess if the Streak seems a bit too big for me to take to the pub i can take my nexus out instead
Although, from what i've seen that doesn't seem to be a problem.
Thanks for your help!

I picked one up on the O2 deal for £35 a month and nothing to pay on Friday so have had a weekend of playing with it.
What do I like? I LOVE the big screen and I love Android. It's so much smoother and faster than WinMo. I don't care it's running 1.6 as I know Dell are spending time on making sure that 2.1 works properly for us. Aren't you Dellboys?!
I was using an HTC Touch Pro 2 until I got the Streak. The TP2's still got my old sim in (waiting for a PAC code) I have hardly touched it since getting the Streak - and every time I pick up the TP2 it feels like a slow clunky toy in comparison! (and winmo keeps crashing...). Interestingly the Streak is the easiest 'phone' I've ever connected to via USB on my laptop - it connects straight away every time (unlike WinMo!)
The Streak is really nicely engineered - it feels well made and looks it too, it's very comfortable and easy to use in both landscape and portrait mode.
The only real problem I've had is finding a decent calendar program (still searching) and I thought my camera button didn't work, but you have to press it hard to activate the camera, then it focuses with a little halfway press and you have to press it harder again to take a pic.
As I primarily use the Streak as a PDA, browser, music player and ebook reader - the phone function is almost secondary for me although I text a lot. I'm having a few problems adapting to the keyboard although I do like the numberpad that everyone else seems to hate!! I'd recommend Swype or SlideIT as they offer a way faster way to type than pecking one key at a time.
I am really impressed with my Streak - I'd say it passed my expectations by about a mile. I think it is a brilliant piece of design, it's fast, it does everything I want and there's loads of free and cheap software - what else is there?!
I guess I'd better update my signature!!

samstables said:
The only real problem I've had is finding a decent calendar program (still searching) and I thought my camera button didn't work, but you have to press it hard to activate the camera, then it focuses with a little halfway press and you have to press it harder again to take a pic.
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Try calwidget or pure calendar widget they are awesome. Ive been using Calwidget since the day it came out. from G1 to Mytouch to Nexus one and it will be on my streak as well (if it comes out for TMO)

samstables said:
I picked one up on the O2 deal for £35 a month and nothing to pay on Friday so have had a weekend of playing with it.
What do I like? I LOVE the big screen and I love Android. It's so much smoother and faster than WinMo. I don't care it's running 1.6 as I know Dell are spending time on making sure that 2.1 works properly for us. Aren't you Dellboys?!
I was using an HTC Touch Pro 2 until I got the Streak. The TP2's still got my old sim in (waiting for a PAC code) I have hardly touched it since getting the Streak - and every time I pick up the TP2 it feels like a slow clunky toy in comparison! (and winmo keeps crashing...). Interestingly the Streak is the easiest 'phone' I've ever connected to via USB on my laptop - it connects straight away every time (unlike WinMo!)
The Streak is really nicely engineered - it feels well made and looks it too, it's very comfortable and easy to use in both landscape and portrait mode.
The only real problem I've had is finding a decent calendar program (still searching) and I thought my camera button didn't work, but you have to press it hard to activate the camera, then it focuses with a little halfway press and you have to press it harder again to take a pic.
As I primarily use the Streak as a PDA, browser, music player and ebook reader - the phone function is almost secondary for me although I text a lot. I'm having a few problems adapting to the keyboard although I do like the numberpad that everyone else seems to hate!! I'd recommend Swype or SlideIT as they offer a way faster way to type than pecking one key at a time.
I am really impressed with my Streak - I'd say it passed my expectations by about a mile. I think it is a brilliant piece of design, it's fast, it does everything I want and there's loads of free and cheap software - what else is there?!
I guess I'd better update my signature!!
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Awesome, thanks for your input
I only got a Nexus a while ago (thank you android seeding program!) which i absolutely love and will definitely still use. But, i fell in love with the streak as soon as i saw it. I think you guys may have just persuaded me

Meltus said:
Awesome, thanks for your input
I only got a Nexus a while ago (thank you android seeding program!) which i absolutely love and will definitely still use. But, i fell in love with the streak as soon as i saw it. I think you guys may have just persuaded me
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don't forget we expect you to get involved in hacking it then as soon as you get your grubby mits on one
I'm learning rapidly (although I do have a background in *nix) but I'm still way over my head at the mo..
adn louder volume fix through the speaker would be good (if possible)
RE: the size as long as you don't keep it in a pocket that will put pressure on it(like any 3"+device) such as a jeans pocket, then it should be fine at the pub.. although obviously you may lose friends when they get fed up with you playing with it all the time...
if you're in manc then nip and get one of those cheap cases from superetrader, they work fine..

If mine broke today I would go and get one tomorrow, if you are getting it from o2 I was reading that they now have a 32 gig one but I don't know if that is on contract, the article just said o2 were selling a 32 gig for £449
Sent from my Dell Streak using XDA App

I recently purchased the Texas beta device and plan on purchasing the American unlocked device when Dell releases it (if hardware change is major). I really hope some great ROM development comes to the phone and I will be hooked until WP7.
But really, it all depends on personal opinion for any device that is 'worth it'
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I think most people who have found the Streak disappointing (or just too big) have done so because they bought it as a phone instead of looking at what they really need.
Dell and O2 don't sell it like that - it's a just about pocketable web tablet with secondary phone functionality (think N800/N900 with much better hardware) - hence it being offered with a data only plan.
I bought it on that basis and it works really well at what it was designed for. Perfect screen for lazy eyes, good battery life, good audio, no lag to be seen. Gets used for web/mail/videos/audio round the house, SatNav in the car, and for access to non-corporate stuff at work.
There's no way I'd expect it to replace my main phone (BB 9700), if I did, I'd probably end up smashing it up like that bloke on Modaco.
Shame accessories are so ludicrously expensive but hopefully that will improve after the US release - as will app compatibility once 2.2 comes along.

Thanks for your input everyone.
I am now the proud owner of Dell Streak
Now as soon as O2 activate my account (could take 24 hours ¬_¬) i'll be able to play with it properly. Cheers guys

Meltus said:
I am now the proud owner of Dell Streak
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Awesome to hear, please let us know your thoughts after you have digested the device a bit.
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Meltus said:
Thanks for your input everyone.
I am now the proud owner of Dell Streak
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No problem brotha! Happy to help

New Galaxy S keep it or return it?

Hi everyone. I recently bought a Galaxy S (Bell Vibrant) for my wife, she saw it and really liked and i was pretty familiar with the specs and all that and all the good reviews so i jumped in and got it. Now since she has it (4 days) the phone has turned itself off for no reason twice and has also frozen a couple of times with one of them being when i was showing it to an apple fanboy (embarrassed). But anyway now my wife isnt very happy with it because she says it feels very light and cheap and she thinks it would break very easy and also complains about it turning off. Today she saw the icrap 4 in the store and she liked it and now she wants that . She says it feel that it wont break easy and its stylish . Now i dont like the iphone at all and i really dont want to return the SGS and get that but i want whats best for my wife. I just read so much on this forum about all the problems people have with this phone turning off, freezing,lag, screen problems, gps, touch buttons, bad audio quality and a few more... I wonder on the screen i dont know if it will last a year before it starts tint issues burn ins and so on. Now i want to know do you guys think this phone would last at least a year two and do you think all this stuff will be sorted out or should i get her the icrap 4. I really dont like that iphone but it seems suitable for my wife as all she wants is somthing that works takes decent pictures and looks good. Please let me know what you guys think as this is really pita.
Sorry for the long and confusing post..

you keep the SGS and get her the "iwantwhateverybodywantsphone"
SGS is not for the normal person
SGS is for people with computer knowledge and linux understanding and windows haters
SGS is a amazing phone if you know how to use it, and keep it clean, the same techniques used in windows works the same in Android, and it does wonderful stuff
ironically in windows those solutions never last, in Android you do it once, and it remains forever set.
no GPS problem, no lag, no lag fix, no freeze, no turning off on its own, it works perfectly on JH2
your description of the phone "turning off" could be either a battery problem, or the phone ran out of memory due all the background apps no closing off and releasing the memory back

Shes got her mind set on the Iphone4, get it and live happy. If not she'll be whinning about it til contract is up or divorce (which ever is faster)

ickyboo said:
Shes got her mind set on the Iphone4, get it and live happy. If not she'll be whinning about it til contract is up or divorce (which ever is faster)
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yup.. that's true, womens are like that.
it's either their way, or their way... they don't care for logic, reason, and never mention who's right, that doesn't exist in their world

AllGamer said:
you keep the SGS and get her the "iwantwhateverybodywantsphone"
SGS is not for the normal person
SGS is for people with computer knowledge and linux understanding and windows haters
SGS is a amazing phone if you know how to use it, and keep it clean, the same techniques used in windows works the same in Android, and it does wonderful stuff
ironically in windows those solutions never last, in Android you do it once, and it remains forever set.
no GPS problem, no lag, no lag fix, no freeze, no turning off on its own, it works perfectly on JH2
your description of the phone "turning off" could be either a battery problem, or the phone ran out of memory due all the background apps no closing off and releasing the memory back
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Yes i know how it is with Android as i am pretty familiar with it. I have a X10 myself and i love it to bits, i dont think im ready to switch it for an SGS. However i am not doubting the software of the SGS but the hardware, my main concern is the screen, i see a lot of people here that have problems with it so my concern is durabilty and lifespan i also see a lot of people on here who sent their phone for repair numerous times and that scares me. Now my wife is not set on the iphone as she is not a big fan of apple herself and shes heard me ***** about how bad and limited it is all the time but she just wants a reliable smartphone that she can depend on and not have it crap out by itself for no reason. She likes the SGS but she also likes the design of the crap 4 and she asked me if that would be more stable and not give problems. I told her that i am waiting on a update (froyo) and all the bugs will be probably fixed. Anyway like i stated before its the hardware thats is troubling me. Do you guys think it will last, more specifically the screen. Also can you recommend me wich firmware to use and wich lagfix? as i see there is a few out there, or should i wait for the official froyo release? Thank you for all your help, i really apreciate it.

AllGamer said:
yup.. that's true, womens are like that.
it's either their way, or their way... they don't care for logic, reason, and never mention who's right, that doesn't exist in their world
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Haha yes that is true. But the wife doesnt really care about the iphone and she is not set for it completly or somthing. She just said she likes the design lol. And if it would work better to get her that. So i am pretty unfamiliar with Samsung phones thats why im doubting it. I know all previous samsungs were crappy and buggy as hell and with weird menus etc.. So now we have the SGS wich is the first phone that i actually like from Samsung but i still have my doubts thats why i am asking you guys.

AllGamer said:
you keep the SGS and get her the "iwantwhateverybodywantsphone"
SGS is not for the normal person
SGS is for people with computer knowledge and linux understanding and windows haters
SGS is a amazing phone if you know how to use it, and keep it clean, the same techniques used in windows works the same in Android, and it does wonderful stuff
ironically in windows those solutions never last, in Android you do it once, and it remains forever set.
no GPS problem, no lag, no lag fix, no freeze, no turning off on its own, it works perfectly on JH2
your description of the phone "turning off" could be either a battery problem, or the phone ran out of memory due all the background apps no closing off and releasing the memory back
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Wow....
I'm sorry but some of your posts are ridiculous.
"SGS is for windows haters and people with Linux undersanding"?
WTF
I'm sure the Bell rep makes you fill out a pre-requisite form before you take away a SGS to make sure you have Linux knowledge and hate windows... Thats how they are marketing the phone too...??
This phone is being marketed to the main stream.
And as far as JH2 being perfect. Guess what? When my SGS died I had already updated it to JH2. I got it back from repair on Friday, its JH2 still, and it has turned off on its own twice now. Fresh from being wiped and repaired. Just browsing these forums and seeing all the people with the same issues JH2 or otherwise is a clear indication that there are some serious issues with this phone. Oh, and my co-worker who picked one up after me has now had to send his in for repair as it died. Its his first smart phone, with all of 5 apps installed, so don't try to blame it on hacking or rooting.
You're apologetic fanboy like posts are getting tiring to be honest.
/rant
As for the original poster. Take it back and get your wife an iPhone 4 if thats what she wants. Apple fan boys drive me nuts too, I know, after my SGS died on me I have never heard the end of it..

Well i definitely see where you are coming from and understand your lack of interest on the SGS
but i'm coming from a total 180, and this is the perfect phone, everything came out as planned, from spec, to speed, to software, to features, to funtionality, to well you name it, everything works the way i expected it to work out of the box
way better than windows devices
i've been through a lot of smartphones before, and nothing comes close to the SGS, all previous "smartphones" were nothing but disasters and let downs
just the same way you think about the SGS i think about the HTC devices and the Blackberries, and the Treo600.
However the Treo650 was quite decent, albeit slow online but it was way better than its predecessor in every other aspect.
I still prefer PalmOS over Windows
put either Android or Palm OS on any device with good spec better than SGS and I'm all over it.
right now at this point in time the SGS is the creme of the crop, the supremacy, the top of the top
Looking forward to next years contenders

Too many apple fanboys.

Super Galaxy S said:
Too many apple fanboys.
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Sorry but your post is useless. I am not looking to start a flame war i am looking for advice and opinions from this community. I am not any kind of fan boy and i doubt any of the posters here is. Please if anyone has something to say please do so but lets keep it clean, no flame wars no fan boy and childish comments because you are not helping anyone.

Hey there, I bought the i9000 on recommendation from two friends that were both iPhone users that switched to nexus ones and never looked back. I have been a blackberry user for about 7 years and gone through (destroyed) most of them. This is my first smartphone and i was looking for something with minimal buttons (to break) and a good screen and good battery life. I didn't realize i was also going to end up with a mini super computer! Lagfix not only solved all lag issues, it now performs like a pack of rabid monkeys... on a touch sensitive leash. I have had no issues with the screen, rebooting, or any other hardware related problems. Any issues were related to my inexperience with android which is how i found this place. Just be careful... so while i can't give you any further information about the hardware, I have to warn you that there is a lot of information about rooting Vibrants that doesn't apply to the i9000 even though they are relatively identical, most importantly the recovery hotkey combination.
Anyway, I'm getting off topic. My i9000 is rooted with MCR Script lagfix, GPS fix, and SetCPU on Performance. Its lightning quick, bloody bright, and about 1000x more than I ever could have hoped for out of a smartphone.
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I am on my second Bell i9000m GXY S. Me and my girlfriend bought one just over a month ago.
Mine suddenly died. I had done many flashes and other such things on it, but that wasn`t the cause. The cause was a bad MoviNand chip. Samsungs chip that runs the phone. Before I even modified the phone I was having Force closes. Random reboots and other errors. Having to do battery pulls to get your brand new $600+ phone to work is ridiculous.
I came to Android from Blackberry. Being an apple hater I had no other real choice in my market.
My second Galaxy S (replacement under warranty) came in today. Before I touched anything root it had 2 force closes. It froze once so far under heavy use.
My girlfriends is completely stock and after a couple weeks has random reboots, and other errors similar to mine. I fear her phone will go the same as my first (and likely second) did.
I love the phone but the i9000m seems very buggy and unreliable. I can`t use it for an alarm because 1 out of 20 times it will freeze in the middle of the night. Hers too; which is stock.
It seems to be more of a problem with the Bell variants of the phone, as I see other bell users with the same problems more often then American customers.
I would really wait to make any permanent impressions on the phone until Samsung releasestheir Froyo FW update and possibly fixes the bigger problems with the i9000m.
So I wouldnt push you one way or the other, but be prepared to take that galaxy s off your woman`s hands and buy her a crapple. I may be taking my girlfriends and getting her a Desire HD or whatever HTC releases next in my market. HTC for my friends seems to be rock solid. Again thats just my view and I am probably inaccurate since I don`t own an HTC.
If samsung doesn`t fix the GPS bug (which I have run into on both our phones--- one stock and mine on several roms) and the crashing (stock) on the next couple of updates I will not be buying Samsung again, but will be sticking with Android. I have tried to use the GPS in 3 provinces and 4 states and its really accurate for me less then half the time.

Apple gas been supporting 3g till now in all firware updates. While mr sam sung forgot our froyo
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salmanslick said:
Apple gas been supporting 3g till now in all firware updates. While mr sam sung forgot our froyo
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Say what? Froyo isn't released yet. Nothing is forgotten before you actually have an officially released product on your phone. Stop being a retard and don't pollute threads with problems about inofficial firmwares. 3g is not entirely perfect on the released firmwares, but it's definetely there.
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I have the Sgs from the begin and any problem... no freeze, Reboots, I thing that people thing froyo will solvent all problems, but this kind of issues are caused for a defective hardware, no software... then maybe should contact samsung to replace the mobile.
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install this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8123924&postcount=40
and disable all the apps that you don't need to be running in the background all the time
it doesn't matter how "smart" are the smartphones now in days, it's still a freaking computer, if it's not optimized, it will just go crazy
i don't even have a task killer installed, as it's not necessary, as long as you maintain the list of apps you allow it to run in the background then the rest is smooth sail.
i9000m stock JH2, no lag fix, the only fix installed is the SMS time fix
solipsism said:
I am on my second Bell i9000m GXY S. Me and my girlfriend bought one just over a month ago.
Mine suddenly died. I had done many flashes and other such things on it, but that wasn`t the cause. The cause was a bad MoviNand chip. Samsungs chip that runs the phone. Before I even modified the phone I was having Force closes. Random reboots and other errors. Having to do battery pulls to get your brand new $600+ phone to work is ridiculous.
I came to Android from Blackberry. Being an apple hater I had no other real choice in my market.
My second Galaxy S (replacement under warranty) came in today. Before I touched anything root it had 2 force closes. It froze once so far under heavy use.
My girlfriends is completely stock and after a couple weeks has random reboots, and other errors similar to mine. I fear her phone will go the same as my first (and likely second) did.
I love the phone but the i9000m seems very buggy and unreliable. I can`t use it for an alarm because 1 out of 20 times it will freeze in the middle of the night. Hers too; which is stock.
It seems to be more of a problem with the Bell variants of the phone, as I see other bell users with the same problems more often then American customers.
I would really wait to make any permanent impressions on the phone until Samsung releasestheir Froyo FW update and possibly fixes the bigger problems with the i9000m.
So I wouldnt push you one way or the other, but be prepared to take that galaxy s off your woman`s hands and buy her a crapple. I may be taking my girlfriends and getting her a Desire HD or whatever HTC releases next in my market. HTC for my friends seems to be rock solid. Again thats just my view and I am probably inaccurate since I don`t own an HTC.
If samsung doesn`t fix the GPS bug (which I have run into on both our phones--- one stock and mine on several roms) and the crashing (stock) on the next couple of updates I will not be buying Samsung again, but will be sticking with Android. I have tried to use the GPS in 3 provinces and 4 states and its really accurate for me less then half the time.
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X10 is a stylish phone, its heavy and looks durable. So why not try to switch (assuming she doesn't mind using your "old phone" .. , and you two are on the same network / phones are unlocked)

Being a sgs owner I would recommend you to return it, it has too many issue straight out of the box. This phone requires alot attention, fixes, patient and time. It does have the potential to better then any mobile out there at this time but only if you posses the aforementioned qualities.
My advice get her desire HD or desire, she will appreciate it more then an iphone.
HTC Desire is really popular within the UK even amongst the women because it is easy to use and is works brilliantly out of the box.

Super Galaxy S said:
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And too many SGS fanboysº

As everyone more or less said:
- install the lagfix!
A) if you're technically inclined, flash the rom to something stable and tested by many (yet unofficial and "beta"): JM8 + voodoo b4 (it's in the dev forum)
B) if you're not, get one click lag fix from the market, it doesn't get any simpler! follow the program instructions, and be done with it
Let her play with it for a while with lagfix.
About the hardware quality, i got a i9000 (not i9000m), there's many different SGS and even with the same design might come from different factories etc etc.
Mine is extremely strong even being plastic, i'm very happy about that so far.
Also it's thin and light and has a big screen.
The iPhone4 has a smaller screen, and its a lot heavier than the SGS.
Additionally, you need to add a cover (bumper, case, etc) around the phone to alleviate antenna issues (granted you don't _need_ but it's very highly recommended), so you lose all the neat design factor.
After exposing her these arguments and showing up the lagfixed phone, let her decide. If she wants the iPhone4 (or Desire HD or what not), then just go for it and ebay the SGS many will buy it.

Samsung Galaxy S - Australian Froyo

Hi All,
I thought I would just share my encounter with Samsung Customer Centre in Sydney.
I spoke with a rep this morning, below is my lose recollection of the conversation:
Me: "Hi, I was wondering when the Samsung Galaxy S will be upgraded to Froyo"
Samsung Rep: “It should be soon, but we really don’t know”
Me: “Well the websphere has been showing that the upgrade was meant to be end of August, then end of September and now sometime in October, so there’s still no news”
Samsung Rep: “No, what they are doing is working with the carriers to test the firmware, if there are any bugs the carriers are sending it back to Samsung US to fix, then Samsung US will send it back to the Australia carriers to retest. It can take some time”
Me: “So you’re saying that Froyo is in it’s testing cycles”
Samsung Rep: “Yeah”
So what we can see here is that release could be imminent as they are now going through User Acceptance Testing. This leads me to believe that whatever Froyo Firmwares are floating around out there, are likely to be as close to final as they will ever be.
For all the people out there who have installed the current Froyo builds who are expecting to see more, I don’t think that’s going to happen, but if some of the issues on the phones feel like bugs there is still hope to get them fixed.
I suspect Samsung will get out Froyo soon and once the angry mobs are abated, will then use their pressure free time to really optimise it.
Cheers,
Irwin Proud

I seriously hope that is not true, if what is floating around are the "final" ones, then we are in a deep crap load of doo doo here.
so many devices dead due IMEI damage, and many more dead due Internal SD overkill, and all the bugs people have reported... the future suddently just looks darker

I think the IMEI problem is a bug, so I'm sure it's being worked on. I actually think it could be a hardware problem, as I had to have my mainboard replaced after an Odin flash that caused the IMEI number to corrupt. I got a call from the Samsung repairer a couple of weeks ago and he was saying it was happening to more phones.
I think it'll work well (not great), it just won't be the powerful beast that it should be. Samsung may not have had the best judgement when they decided to make 8 phones with the same architecture, but slightly different specs. It means that they have to split their resources across the different phones just to do the one Android 2.2 update for them.

I agree with the canook there p), It seems that Samsung is using us XDA ppl to be unpaid guinie pigs. NOT HAPPY JAN!
Is JIT even enabled in the leaked Froyo's?

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Is JIT even enabled in the leaked Froyo's?
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From what I've been reading, apparently it is, it's just not optimised for hummingbird.

So in other words, blame the carriers. Something I've done for years. Greedy b all of them. Can just hope the mobile market approaches the "freedom" seen for the net and not the other way around.

my insider also told me the same thing back in 1 month ago..
and last week he still insisted it is currently under carrier testing and most probably will be done by next week...
so far all the soruces i got from him was true and accurate(like the date SGS released by optus and vodafone, galaxy tab details,etc)

Why is everyone lusting so much for the Froyo? Unless its the people that are experiencing the gps issue and lag. My SGS is perfect so far, none of the problems stated above, so for me when the update comes its welcome but until then am i missing anything much really?
Cheers
Vlad

dovla_sa said:
Why is everyone lusting so much for the Froyo? Unless its the people that are experiencing the gps issue and lag. My SGS is perfect so far, none of the problems stated above, so for me when the update comes its welcome but until then am i missing anything much really?
Cheers
Vlad
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Flad, i guess you are your phone for
Calls only? Can't imagine that you didn't experience any lagg with normal usage.that, our your standards are low.
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App

My main issue is that Samsung releases a full GPS fix in Froyo, so I can use the phone as advertised. I can live with a little lagg now and again.
I just hope they sort it, or my phone is going back!
Logicalstep

In regards to the GPS problem, whenever I was on google maps before, it would never give me my location and then after I updated the google maps app it found the locations perfectly.
But CoPilot Live has always worked well on my SGS.

Logicalstep said:
My main issue is that Samsung releases a full GPS fix in Froyo, so I can use the phone as advertised. I can live with a little lagg now and again.
I just hope they sort it, or my phone is going back!
Logicalstep
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For me the speed of the phone is good enough, I only install a dozen extra apps and they work fine enough.
The color is fine in my phone running Froyo JPK. Wifi, 3G, FM radio, video playback, work fine.
The GPS keeps being a Guessing Positioning System. It smoothes the path for 15 seconds or so, and when you turn 90º, it keeps showing that you're traveling along the previous street for several seconds. Then it starts moving the position to the new street, doing a curve... But this takes so much time that you may be on the next intersection before the dot is in the correct street. Then if you turn 90º again, the dot overshots the corner, continues along the second street, does a smooth curve heading slowly to the 3rd street...

dovla_sa said:
Why is everyone lusting so much for the Froyo? Unless its the people that are experiencing the gps issue and lag. My SGS is perfect so far, none of the problems stated above, so for me when the update comes its welcome but until then am i missing anything much really?
Cheers
Vlad
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That's exactly why I am eager for Froyo to be released for the SGS. My phone isn't as stable as others' handsets, the lag is a pain in the arse and there are features such as JIT, that will make my SGS experience much more pleasant, and Chrome to Phone, that will make more productive use of my time.

ro4sho said:
Flad, i guess you are your phone for
Calls only? Can't imagine that you didn't experience any lagg with normal usage.that, our your standards are low.
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The only lag i have experienced is when adding app shortcuts. Which is not deal breaker for me at all.
And why would someone buy basically "hyper-phone" for calls only? Think about it little bit before making a statement like that.
And speaking about the standards, what that has to do with anything?
GPS works just as it did on my iPhone with Copilot.
Cheers
Vlad

ikenley said:
From what I've been reading, apparently it is, it's just not optimised for hummingbird.
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Well thats bloody great! grrrrr.. Thats the only thing I wanted out of Froyo. Looks like i'll be staying on Eclair til maybe sometime next year when they sort out the optimizing. Man I'm lusting at the Desires as their JIT works and it more then doubled the Quadrant scores (yeh yeh i know Quadrant is a **** benchmarker)
Thank god for Cyengenmod team as I think they will do a proper release once Froyo source is out.

Since getting my phone back from the Samsung repairer after the IMEI corrupted, i've been reluctant to flash these beta roms using Odin.
So I'm more than happy waiting till it's official. I came from the Nexus One with Froyo, I went for the Galaxy because of it's superior specs, especially 4" screen and 2GB Nand.
I've also really appreciated some of the improvements that TouchWiz has brought to the experience.
But Froyo on the Nexus One was a game changer, it completely opened up the phone and made it fly. I would rather wait for Samsung to get JIT optimised, clean up their system and smoothen the entire interface before releasing Froyo. It's more their lack of engagement with their customers that's the problem.
Has anyone used Fennec, with their nightlies? That's the way to engage your community and get buy in for the wait.
Development cycles are not perfect and when you fix one bug a new one opens up, all I say is let us know its getting there.

dovla_sa said:
The only lag i have experienced is when adding app shortcuts. Which is not deal breaker for me at all.
And why would someone buy basically "hyper-phone" for calls only? Think about it little bit before making a statement like that.
And speaking about the standards, what that has to do with anything?
GPS works just as it did on my iPhone with Copilot.
Cheers
Vlad
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Because i have tested quite a bunch of I9000s and they all experienced a lot of lagg. Opening applications took 10 seconds. You can try searching youtube for samsung i9000 lagg and compare the footage with your phone.

ro4sho said:
Because i have tested quite a bunch of I9000s and they all experienced a lot of lagg. Opening applications took 10 seconds. You can try searching youtube for samsung i9000 lagg and compare the footage with your phone.
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I have had my phone for over two months and can honestly say that I have never experienced a lag of more than 2secs when opening any app on my phone.
Whilst I am looking forward to FroYo, I will definately be waiting until I have heard a few reactions from more experienced users before rushing to download.

ikenley said:
Since getting my phone back from the Samsung repairer after the IMEI corrupted, i've been reluctant to flash these beta roms using Odin.
So I'm more than happy waiting till it's official. I came from the Nexus One with Froyo, I went for the Galaxy because of it's superior specs, especially 4" screen and 2GB Nand.
I've also really appreciated some of the improvements that TouchWiz has brought to the experience.
But Froyo on the Nexus One was a game changer, it completely opened up the phone and made it fly. I would rather wait for Samsung to get JIT optimised, clean up their system and smoothen the entire interface before releasing Froyo. It's more their lack of engagement with their customers that's the problem.
Has anyone used Fennec, with their nightlies? That's the way to engage your community and get buy in for the wait.
Development cycles are not perfect and when you fix one bug a new one opens up, all I say is let us know its getting there.
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I did a quick review thingy in the Apps thread about Fennec, and I must say, I'm quite impressed with latest build as last build i tried was a month ago and it just crashed alot and wouldn't actualy run. GPS problems aside I havn't really had any

ro4sho said:
Because i have tested quite a bunch of I9000s and they all experienced a lot of lagg. Opening applications took 10 seconds. You can try searching youtube for samsung i9000 lagg and compare the footage with your phone.
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10 seconds to launch an app? Never had that. Not sure on which firmware is that but my JM2 bog standard have never needed so much to open a app.
Copilot opens up for me in around 4 seconds. And thats after the reboot before killing all the apps that are running in the background.

[Q] Are you returning the phone?

After dealing with all the delays, non-existent support and updates and failed promises to ship the phone with next day shipping, I decided that I had tolerated enough and demanded my money back. Hopefully that is easy.
Here's why Dell Venue Pro sucks:
1. Too big. Usually big is a 'good' thing according to the trend of 2010. However, when it's big but also thick, it reminds me of my iPAQ from 12 years ago. With the Otter Case it gets even worse.
2. Horrible Camera. It's slow to activate unlike the Focus, and it takes blurry pictures even in just slightly dim light. I know that no camera phones can take pictures in dim light well, but DVP's camera is blurry even in a room during the day. My T-Mo G1 can do better than that.
3. No 4G. Just a UI change is not enough to switch phones and pay more per month as I had been using Android, and all the newest droids out there have way faster speeds that can even do video chat.
4. Keyboard is not that well integrated. Turns out the "fn" key and "shift" key are highly unpredictable, since it doesn't have any indicator that it's simply on or locked on. I mistyped more password than I did with the soft keyboard. Therefore, it's not worth the bulk.
5. Thoroughly unhackable. No SD Card slot access. No tethering trick. No screenshot trick.
6. Bottom buttons are capacitive. Looking back, the dev phone was perhaps the only great phone because they have hard buttons for Back, Windows and Search keys. Using touch buttons for these important commands make the OS experience finicky. For example, it's too easy to hit the Bing button accidentally while taking photos. It was also way too easy to got kicked out of a game - and having the resume afterwards makes things worse.
7. No confidence left for Dell Mobility, or even Dell in general: They folded the mobile division already. Their updates for Dell Aero and Dell Streak took months and months to fulfill, so how will the DVP be any different? We had already suffered through the lack of information on shipping, and I would expect firmware updates not to be any different.
8. This thing crashes. Unlike some other users here, mine crashes even when Wifi is off. The crashes are all random and not confined to Marketplace or 3rd party apps. If Dell was not so irresponsible, I would ask for an exchange instead of a return, but this is a dealbreaker to me.
One thing I am glad about it is, I had waited long enough to find out about Samsung's Omnia 8, and probably better phones to come in CES and Mobile World Congress.
Thanks, Dell, for being awful, and ruining what would be a good phone.

I plan on giving Dell one more shot. I've been waiting a week now for my replacement. I'll wait for that replacement (even if it takes another week or two) and if the replacement is unstable or has any other problem then I'll return it and pick another phone.
You are right, this phone could be near perfect. It just seems that Dell rushed it.

I'm in the same boat. I love the phone except a few major problems.
1- WiFi Crashing
2- Bluetooth not staying connected
Below are WP7 issues
3- Cannot sync with Outlook
4-No mass storage
5- Cannot connect to hidden WiFi networks!!!!
I miss cut and past but can live without it I need the rest fixed if I'm going to be able to keep it.

rsacipher said:
I'm in the same boat. I love the phone except a few major problems.
1- WiFi Crashing
2- Bluetooth not staying connected
Below are WP7 issues
3- Cannot sync with Outlook
4-No mass storage
5- Cannot connect to hidden WiFi networks!!!!
I miss cut and past but can live without it I need the rest fixed if I'm going to be able to keep it.
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I don't know....my WiFi lags but doesn't crash. My BT is fine. Outlook syncs fine, but I've been syncing cloud stuff fine. Storage, I have 16gigs. Will I use more..who knows or cares. Hidden WiFi...something strange about that. Its hidden for a reason, if dvp could see it, ITT wouldn't be hidden. Seems like homey reasons to quit to me. But then again , you're not me. I got what I expected. Is it 100% perfect? Nope...but I wasn't expecting it to be. I wonder if iphone4 people are returning it because of the alarm...to me the best reason to return a phone is...i don't like it. All other reasons show up on most other phones too... Just my opinion

this phone has more problems now that i think about it. but mines a keeper. i like the windows UI and the look of the dvp. its rare and you cant just buy it at, say, tmobile stores. =D

I love the phone but you know as much as I love it I can't use a phone that doesn't work. When I pay $550 for a phone I think the least it can do is work so as much as it kills me I called them last night and told them I want my money back. I gave them a week or so to see if they would give some responce to the problems posted on the forums but nothing which means they're not going to fix the problems or they're going to be real slow about it. And the whole 30days thing you guys have over here means I cant really wait around to find out so I'll have my money back thanks!
The problems I had with the phone were numerous:
- WiFi crashing constantly
- bluetooth constantly disconnecting from car kit
- 3G signal loss and complete network loss
- white noise in earphones
...and then to top it all off, and this is a WP7 issue more so than a DVP issue - however the marketplace works and because I used my old windows live id to setup the phone, M$ basically still think I'm in Ireland for whatever reason and as a result I can't download any of the good stuff eg: Netflix, LastFM etc... and some apps I download are for european region instead of US and so are completely useless to me.
Anyway all in all I had no choice but to get a refund. Bummer!

This venue pro will be going back for the same reasons which have been found in this post.
1. No 4G. Just a UI change is not enough to switch phones and pay more per month as I had been using Android, and all the newest droids out there have way faster speeds that can even do video chat.
2. Keyboard is not that well integrated. Turns out the "fn" key and "shift" key are highly unpredictable, since it doesn't have any indicator that it's simply on or locked on. I mistyped more password than I did with the soft keyboard. Therefore, it's not worth the bulk.
3. Thoroughly unhackable. No SD Card slot access. No tethering trick. No screenshot trick.
4. Bottom buttons are capacitive. Looking back, the dev phone was perhaps the only great phone because they have hard buttons for Back, Windows and Search keys. Using touch buttons for these important commands make the OS experience finicky. For example, it's too easy to hit the Bing button accidentally while taking photos. It was also way too easy to got kicked out of a game - and having the resume afterwards makes things worse.
5. No confidence left for Dell Mobility, or even Dell in general: They folded the mobile division already. Their updates for Dell Aero and Dell Streak took months and months to fulfill, so how will the DVP be any different? We had already suffered through the lack of information on shipping, and I would expect firmware updates not to be any different.
6. This thing crashes. Unlike some other users here, mine crashes even when Wifi is off. The crashes are all random and not confined to Marketplace or 3rd party apps. If Dell was not so irresponsible, I would ask for an exchange instead of a return, but this is a dealbreaker to me.
I no longer feel confident with DELL. Furthermore, I dont like how we were treated throughout this launch, especially in a economy when spending 500+ dollars on a item is a luxury. I have purchased phones outright before and have never gone through a process like this.
I wanted to believe that this phone could of been more but if I wait until my 30 days are up I will be s### out of luck. I'll see what CES has up its sleeve.
This venue is definitely going back unless something miraculously happens with DELL or Microsoft regarding the phones OS. I doubt it though.

alodar1 said:
I don't know....my WiFi lags but doesn't crash. My BT is fine. Outlook syncs fine, but I've been syncing cloud stuff fine. Storage, I have 16gigs. Will I use more..who knows or cares. Hidden WiFi...something strange about that. Its hidden for a reason, if dvp could see it, ITT wouldn't be hidden. Seems like homey reasons to quit to me. But then again , you're not me. I got what I expected. Is it 100% perfect? Nope...but I wasn't expecting it to be. I wonder if iphone4 people are returning it because of the alarm...to me the best reason to return a phone is...i don't like it. All other reasons show up on most other phones too... Just my opinion
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The phone syncs with Exchange not Outlook, 16GB is good for storage if all you want is music and videos, forget if you want other files and there is no explorer to find files anyways.
My company hides their SSID as many companies do, if you have the settings you can connect and my WM5 phones would connect but I can't with the latest and greatest from MS while people at my company with Android and iPhones connect with no issues.
For the money I spent I wasn't expecting a beta unit because this thing was not ready for primetime.

I'm keeping my 8GB model. I don't have any crashing issues whether or not WiFi is on.
It would be nice if the cam were better and there wasn't some slight hissing through headphones during quiet segments of music, but neither of these are deal breakers to me. Supposedly Dell is working on updating the cam software, but again, not a huge deal to me.

It it going back.
Dell support is no good and rude, most don't even know what the DVP is. Every step of my dealing with dell has been a pain from getting my phone to the 4 hours it took trying to get it activated with the rep from dell who kept trying to get me off the line so he could "call me back."
The phone is very nice but so not worth the hassle. Dell has given me the worst customer service I have ever had, no way in hell I am gonna be stuck dealing with them for the next 2 years.
Mine for some reason would not turn on unless I popped the battery multiple times. Kept losing service on the 2g/3g switch, photos were absolute trash.
I will miss what could of been, but this thing is going back. On to my iPhone.

Thanks To You All
Hi Ladies and Gents
I'm fairly new to these forums and just wanted to say thanks to you all for the great feed back on the DVP!! I'm from Canada, and as you all know we can't get the device up here unless we provide a US address...I've been working around this issue which I finally resolved, and now for the past 2 weeks or so have been going back and forth between the DVP or a Nexxus S. I soooo love the form factor of the DVP, but have decided that it's to risky to take a chance on getting a somewhat flawless device to work up here...it's going to take a lot of time and effort to get either of these devices, so I want to make the correct choice the first time....I to have had issues calling Dell just to try and figure out how to ship the darn thing, and have been bounced around so many times!!! Their CS is garbage...none of them know anything about the device!! I was willing to get it even with the RAM issues and the no multitasking/cut and paste, but all the other issues are just to great of a hurdle to jump. I know the Nexus S has it issues but it being pure Google, I know the support will be there...
Thanks Again for making a very hard decision that much easier, and good luck to you all whether you keep your DVP or send it back!!
Cheers!!

pakkei said:
4. Keyboard is not that well integrated. Turns out the "fn" key and "shift" key are highly unpredictable, since it doesn't have any indicator that it's simply on or locked on. I mistyped more password than I did with the soft keyboard. Therefore, it's not worth the bulk.
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This is not true, there is a symbol next to the (left) battery indicator, an arrow for caps and keep pressing the arrow button for caps lock, the icon changes
same way there is an icon for fn key

eyan15 said:
This is not true, there is a symbol next to the (left) battery indicator, an arrow for caps and keep pressing the arrow button for caps lock, the icon changes
same way there is an icon for fn key
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Thanks for the tip. I was used to Android where the indicator is right at the cursor.

Already shipped it back in favor of my nexus S. Got tired of the constant crashes and decided I didn't want to be an early adopter of W7
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think its interesting, well actually I think its funny really, and anyone on this thread with a long device history on this forum can attest,the actual reasons people give for liking or not liking a device. I extend that comment to the iPhone and nexus brands, as well as others. For example:
Crashes: every phone crashes. Everyone. Read the Engadget review about the crash macine....sorry , the nexus s. they all crash somewhere
..period
Camera: they all suck. If you're using a Dell but expect a Nikon , then your expectation sucks. Some are better, but none are good.
Configuration: don't even sit there and tell me what great configuration schemes Android has. The configuration is just as spacey on those devices too. How easy is it to get hotmail on iPhone? As easy as Google maps on wp7?
Cloud stuff: huh, what? Bottom line is it takes understanding and preparation. Once done, its done. Don't trust the Microsoft cloud, but trust the Google cloud...good luck with that.
Support: did someone sat Google support? I call bull****.
Best reason for returning the Dvp I have read so far is, "I tried the Nexus S, and it worked better for me". Great answer!!! Guy just stood up and said it. Cool. Not some bs answer like WiFi crashing...someone will find you over in some other forum posting about your other new phone crashing ...you know its true.
BTW, I heard the iPhone alarm still doesn't work, and what's this I'm reading about the latest undocumented feature on the Nexus. And the Incredible is doing what?? Droid!!! Great commercials.
I just like my Dell. I like my HD7 too. If you don't,that's fine...just watch the excuses...sorry, I mean reasons.
I want the one with the WiFi and most gb's.
Sorry for the rant...check out the other forums here and see if what I say isn't true!

alodar1 said:
think its interesting, well actually I think its funny really, and anyone on this thread with a long device history on this forum can attest,the actual reasons people give for liking or not liking a device. I extend that comment to the iPhone and nexus brands, as well as others. For example:
Crashes: every phone crashes. Everyone. Read the Engadget review about the crash macine....sorry , the nexus s. they all crash somewhere
..period
Camera: they all suck. If you're using a Dell but expect a Nikon , then your expectation sucks. Some are better, but none are good.
Configuration: don't even sit there and tell me what great configuration schemes Android has. The configuration is just as spacey on those devices too. How easy is it to get hotmail on iPhone? As easy as Google maps on wp7?
Cloud stuff: huh, what? Bottom line is it takes understanding and preparation. Once done, its done. Don't trust the Microsoft cloud, but trust the Google cloud...good luck with that.
Support: did someone sat Google support? I call bull****.
Best reason for returning the Dvp I have read so far is, "I tried the Nexus S, and it worked better for me". Great answer!!! Guy just stood up and said it. Cool. Not some bs answer like WiFi crashing...someone will find you over in some other forum posting about your other new phone crashing ...you know its true.
BTW, I heard the iPhone alarm still doesn't work, and what's this I'm reading about the latest undocumented feature on the Nexus. And the Incredible is doing what?? Droid!!! Great commercials.
I just like my Dell. I like my HD7 too. If you don't,that's fine...just watch the excuses...sorry, I mean reasons.
I want the one with the WiFi and most gb's.
Sorry for the rant...check out the other forums here and see if what I say isn't true!
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Classic and spot on! The DVP isn't perfect, but its not the first, and won't be the last buggy phone to be released, and certainly if someone isn't happy with it they should return it. I tried an hd7, didn't like it and returned it, no fuss no muss. And I should say, I'm happy enough with mine and am keeping it, worst case scenario I use it for six months then get some other wp7 AWS device, if there ever is one.

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BTW, I heard the iPhone alarm still doesn't work, and what's this I'm reading about the latest undocumented feature on the Nexus.
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Lol, this is your best point? An alarm clock?
How about WinPho 7 alarm not overriding the music volume and not even going off?
As for crashes I can count the amount of time my iPhone has crashed on 1 hand and the amount of time my nexus one has crashed on 2. I apologize if I want something to work when I buy it. The DVP wouldn't even power on in some cases without pulling the battery. I'm sorry but if the phone is a headache just to turn on then I don't want it. Perhaps you disagree, but there is no need to come in here on a high horse trying to dictate what we should expect from a phones camera, or general usage.
Do I expect a nikon?
No I expect something that can take a decent shot ala the iPhone/Nexus 1/Nokia N8. Obviously there are phones on the market capable of taking great shots,so why should I as a consumer expect lesser performance? If you like a half-ass phone then so be it.
It the DVP the worst phone on the market?
No there is much worst out there, but once again there is much better and as a consumer I am going to go with what is best. I returned mine and hopefully another company gets it right eventually. But honestly the argument that there are buggier phones is pathetic.

alodar1 said:
think its interesting, well actually I think its funny really, and anyone on this thread with a long device history on this forum can attest,the actual reasons people give for liking or not liking a device. I extend that comment to the iPhone and nexus brands, as well as others. For example:
Crashes: every phone crashes. Everyone. Read the Engadget review about the crash macine....sorry , the nexus s. they all crash somewhere
..period
Camera: they all suck. If you're using a Dell but expect a Nikon , then your expectation sucks. Some are better, but none are good.
Configuration: don't even sit there and tell me what great configuration schemes Android has. The configuration is just as spacey on those devices too. How easy is it to get hotmail on iPhone? As easy as Google maps on wp7?
Cloud stuff: huh, what? Bottom line is it takes understanding and preparation. Once done, its done. Don't trust the Microsoft cloud, but trust the Google cloud...good luck with that.
Support: did someone sat Google support? I call bull****.
Best reason for returning the Dvp I have read so far is, "I tried the Nexus S, and it worked better for me". Great answer!!! Guy just stood up and said it. Cool. Not some bs answer like WiFi crashing...someone will find you over in some other forum posting about your other new phone crashing ...you know its true.
BTW, I heard the iPhone alarm still doesn't work, and what's this I'm reading about the latest undocumented feature on the Nexus. And the Incredible is doing what?? Droid!!! Great commercials.
I just like my Dell. I like my HD7 too. If you don't,that's fine...just watch the excuses...sorry, I mean reasons.
I want the one with the WiFi and most gb's.
Sorry for the rant...check out the other forums here and see if what I say isn't true!
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With this kind of reasoning you might as well be happy buying a Vertu.
"Hey, this thing takes photos, and can read gmail too!!!!!! I just like my Vertu. If you don't like it, you have a problem!!"
All that I said was that the DVP is bigger than I need, and the keyboard is not as advantageous as I thought it to be. The camera is objectively worse than many camera phones out there, and Dell does not inspire confidence on whether there will even be firmware fixes or not. It's all pretty logical, IMO.
Seriously, don't get offended when people compare it with iPhone or Nexus S. I already tried to be fanboy-sensitive by comparing it to Samsung Focus. But if my post induces potential buyer's remorse on you, it's not my problem. This thread is to be shared with those who already had our remorse.

I love this phone but am hoping that they fix the issues. Most of the bugs that people have should be fixable with a replacement device. The crazy thing is that the initial Engineering Sample that I had seemed to have the least issues. The 16GB model I have in my hands now crashes all the time so I am hoping that it is just a bad phone and when I get my replacement it works as expected.
I expect many will return their phones because of the whole exchange process which is frustrating to say the least.

personally as a non standard smartphone user i plan to keep the device barring hardware malfunction
not really a big talker or texter and i dont mind the crashes as long as they only happen once a day
i can see how a person might be upset though if they spent half a grand on a phone they can only use on tmobile that has issues
glad i didnt buy off contract even though ill be stuck on tmo for 2 years i can always get another phone that uses tmo bands at full price

I can't be the only one

Are there really that many of you out there happy with your Xoom purchase? I am an Android fanatic through and through but I can't even get the most basic built in widgets to launch, I am already 3 minutes deep into typing this because buttons on the keyboard randomly stop registering at all. I have no idea what Honeycomb is even like as everything I try to open FC's before it even launches. I am literally in awe of how big of a piece of **** this thing is. Less than 24 hours and this thing is going back to best buy. **** my galaxy tab ran froyo flawless and I am now really bummed I sold it to get this worthless pos. I hate apple with every inch of my being but I know the ipad will function exactly how it is supposed to our of the box instead of this less than half baked **** I am attempting to use now.
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I've had my Xoom since Wednesday and I'm 100% happy. I have experienced only a few FC's. The only widget I have found that doesn't work is Facebook. The only time I have experienced keyboard lag is in the browser.
Have you tried a factory reset? Maybe that will clear things up?

Do yourself a favor and return it for another one because something is wrong with the one you got. The xoom is my first android device and i'm amazed. Everything runs great. The odd time it will take a few minutes for my CNN and accuweather widget to load. Get another so you can give it a real chance. That's all I'm try'n to say
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Has anyone got the facebook widget to work? Most the people I told about widget problems said the same thing as you. Only the FB doesn't work. Weird no one seems to have a problem with that either on a $800 device.
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I love android but my xoom is going back to costco..its just not living up to the hype
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I am extremely happy with mine as well, just can't wait for all the mods to start rolling!

100% love my xoom. So much better than my galaxy tab.

I have a galaxy tab and I feel that the xoom screen is a downgrade when compared to my tab. It's a deal breaker.
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I love mine. Only reason I hate it is because it has taken over my life. On the facebook widge thing. Really? You expect an app widget foe a phone to run one day one. And that is really the only one I have had problems with. The update will come. Do us all a favor return your xoom.
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It's amazing to me that people knowingly assume the role of early adoptor, and don't expect issues. It's part of the process. You can gather from these boards what the general experience is: a pleasant work in progress that needs some apps and a little polish. If your experience is wildly different, it's either a faulty Xoom or you shouldn't buy the flagship device for a very new OS. You also might not know how to get the most out of this thing.
Nobody makes an issue out of the Facebook widget because.... it's a Facebook widget. If you that falls into "things you can't live without it until 3.01", then take the Xoom back.

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Has anyone got the facebook widget to work? Most the people I told about widget problems said the same thing as you. Only the FB doesn't work. Weird no one seems to have a problem with that either on a $800 device.
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the price of the device has nothing to do with whether a third party widget designed for a phone should work or not. if this is your only problem, i'd say the xoom's a winner.
To the OP, my biggest problems are FC's of the browser. It used to crash every 5 minutes. I rebooted, and for me, that solved the problem. knock on wood, but no FC of the browser in a day.

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Are there really that many of you out there happy with your Xoom purchase? I am an Android fanatic through and through but I can't even get the most basic built in widgets to launch, I am already 3 minutes deep into typing this because buttons on the keyboard randomly stop registering at all. I have no idea what Honeycomb is even like as everything I try to open FC's before it even launches. I am literally in awe of how big of a piece of **** this thing is. Less than 24 hours and this thing is going back to best buy. **** my galaxy tab ran froyo flawless and I am now really bummed I sold it to get this worthless pos. I hate apple with every inch of my being but I know the ipad will function exactly how it is supposed to our of the box instead of this less than half baked **** I am attempting to use now.
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I have to say...I'm surprised at how much I like my xoom. I think you just got a bad model perhaps.

theahlenius said:
It's amazing to me that people knowingly assume the role of early adoptor, and don't expect issues. It's part of the process. You can gather from these boards what the general experience is: a pleasant work in progress that needs some apps and a little polish. If your experience is wildly different, it's either a faulty Xoom or you shouldn't buy the flagship device for a very new OS. You also might not know how to get the most out of this thing.
Nobody makes an issue out of the Facebook widget because.... it's a Facebook widget. If you that falls into "things you can't live without it until 3.01", then take the Xoom back.
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I think some people expect way to much. Everyone on this forum should know the meaning of "early adopter" (**** look at the nexus on and still that is the best phone I have ever owned). Not just that but all I hear is a bunch of *****ing and moaning over the Xoom. It either costs too much or some other whining. I love it and I can't put it down and compared to the hundreds if reviews I read I figured that hneycomb was horrible but it is actually running pretty well on mine. I mean I get the occasional force close but god its a .0 release and its the first of its class. If a widget doesn't work blame Facebook (or any other 3rd party developer) if anyone thinks the samsung 10.1 will be better theyre in for a rude awakening.

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Are there really that many of you out there happy with your Xoom purchase? I am an Android fanatic through and through but I can't even get the most basic built in widgets to launch, I am already 3 minutes deep into typing this because buttons on the keyboard randomly stop registering at all. I have no idea what Honeycomb is even like as everything I try to open FC's before it even launches. I am literally in awe of how big of a piece of **** this thing is. Less than 24 hours and this thing is going back to best buy. **** my galaxy tab ran froyo flawless and I am now really bummed I sold it to get this worthless pos. I hate apple with every inch of my being but I know the ipad will function exactly how it is supposed to our of the box instead of this less than half baked **** I am attempting to use now.
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I have heard that the Xoom works better with a restart after the intitial one. Don't have mine yet to test, but you could always try.

fauxreal said:
Are there really that many of you out there happy with your Xoom purchase? I am an Android fanatic through and through but I can't even get the most basic built in widgets to launch, I am already 3 minutes deep into typing this because buttons on the keyboard randomly stop registering at all. I have no idea what Honeycomb is even like as everything I try to open FC's before it even launches. I am literally in awe of how big of a piece of **** this thing is. Less than 24 hours and this thing is going back to best buy. **** my galaxy tab ran froyo flawless and I am now really bummed I sold it to get this worthless pos. I hate apple with every inch of my being but I know the ipad will function exactly how it is supposed to our of the box instead of this less than half baked **** I am attempting to use now.
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I addressed you in another thread but would like to use this thread since you started it to gather data. Would you kindly provide a list of the apps/widgets that FC when you try to use them? I would like to install one or two here and see if the same results happen. The next step of that process is to contact those developers and ask them if they would be willing to update their software to support the 3.0 Framework.

Agreed, I love my Xoom. It does everything I need it to do and then some. I travel frequently and just the fact that I no longer have to use my laptop while sitting in airports or coffee shops justifies my purchase. I think many people came in with expectations that were waaay too high for this class of device. Excellent battery life, email and web browsing on the go plus all of my ebooks in one place for easy access are all that I asked for. Video could be better but not as bad as ppl are making it out to be. Could Gingerbread and the Xoom both be better? Absolutely, but neither is bad by any stretch of the imagination. I think alot of people were expecting netbook power and functionality in tablet form, but you certainly don't get that with any of the other competing tablets out there so why hold the Xoom to such a high standard? I'll be keeping mine until the quad core processors are out and we see a major jump in screen resolution, but for now, I'm completely satisfied with my purchase. I think the Xoom is amazing considering it has the processing power of full size laptops out only a few short years ago...

angermeans said:
I think some people expect way to much. Everyone on this forum should know the meaning of "early adopter" (**** look at the nexus on and still that is the best phone I have ever owned). Not just that but all I hear is a bunch of *****ing and moaning over the Xoom. It either costs too much or some other whining. I love it and I can't put it down and compared to the hundreds if reviews I read I figured that hneycomb was horrible but it is actually running pretty well on mine. I mean I get the occasional force close but god its a .0 release and its the first of its class. If a widget doesn't work blame Facebook (or any other 3rd party developer) if anyone thinks the samsung 10.1 will be better theyre in for a rude awakening.
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well put sir

@theahlenius I was waiting for someone to say something along these lines. It is fair to say that for the average consumer this device is not fully ready to be put out. The norm is to only put a device on the market after it is fully ready to be released, welcome to the world of beta (the device is further than beta but still just like beta there can be quirks with a new os and lack of app support.) But I do have a few things that I want to say, 1) it was known that there was going to be things not working, ie the sdcard, flash, and that 4g was upgradeable( the lte network is still new they are still running tests on the thing with real world traffic use, give it time. you realize the crap that could go wrong releaseing a device like this on to a new network without testing its capabilities first *shivers*). Then there are people complaining about apps not working, ITS A NEW OS, The sdk that enables dev's to optimize their apps for tablets hasn't been out that long. Again it takes time, and the dev's haven't had time to make changes and fix any issues. I as well am getting the issue with the facebook app, thats about the only one, its expected though as it was built on 2.2 sdk and not 3.0 or 2.3.3. Guys really if you dont expect issues being a early release adopter return your Xoom and go get a controlled experience where Apple will hold your hand iPad.

I love my Xoom & I take it with me everywhere so I can show it off too & people are in awe of it...I know no tablet that can compare to it.too my dell streak 7 back & got this & so glad I did.This thing just works with no lags!! My ipod collects a lot of dust too now.
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the xoom isn't perfect but yes we are early adopters. just like the nexus one and now the nexus s when they first came out, there are sure to be problems.
be patient, keep up to date on these forums, and the fixes and patches should roll out via google/moto or here on xda.
aside from all the problems that my xoom is having (random force closes, lag here and there), i'm enjoying this device. just rooted it and not sure if i want to take the plunge in to overclocking. don't feel as safe in doing it vs. my nexus s and dell streak since i dished out a crapload of money on it lol.