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Are SPB programs compatible with WM5

Well i heard of this software made by the company "SPBsoftware"
And i'm prepared to spend money for top quality applications but, as I was reading on another site-that were offering a "trial version"- said meant for PPC WM6?
I hope that it would work, cause the layout's are so simplistic, organized, and unique
+Im to scared to try the XM6(WM6?) Rom available, cause the guys post is filled with so many warnings- that you could brick your dvice, that its itimidating to even begin
So the question is will downloading and installing these SPB programs, work on the default WM5 OS of the 8125 Wizard?
-BTW if these programs are compatible with WM5, should I install/Add/Load it onto my device's System memory?, or My mini sd card?
Any, and all post greatly appreciated
Thanks!

It's pretty unlikely that you'll brick your phone by trying software from a more-or-less legitimate software developer. Try it. The worst thing likely to happen is you'll have to go through some kind of rigamarole to uninstall the thing later, if it doesn't work properly.
If you don't feel comfortable with doing things like making registry entry changes, or digging around in system files, then you probably should stick to things that are clearly marked "Works on <<your system/phone/service>>."
As far as loading to system vs. SD, the general rule of thumb is, if you run the program all the time (such as skinning programs and today plug-ins, like SPB is known for) then it should be in system memory. The only software that you should load to SD are things you run sparingly and don't need constant access to. Accessing SD memory is pretty slow on these devices, and it'll seriously affect operability if you load "always run" or "mostly always run" programs from SD.
Lastly, loading new ROMs is a complex and easily flubbed process, from what I've read, and I share your disinterest in bricking an expensive piece of hardware. Frankly, I suspect that the main reason HTC never bothered to upgrade the 8125 to WM6 is because it actually can't handle it, from a hardware standpoint. Every person who has loaded a cooked ROM to a Wizard seems to have reported bugs, errors, and other problems, even with cleanly performed installations. I haven't seen nearly as much complaint from WM5 users.
So, strip down your installation, get rid of the junk, even over-clock the processor if you want (mine runs just fine at around 247MHz), but for my part, I would recommend against loading WM6 on a Wizard, purely based on stability of the hardware/software working in tandem.
<rant>After all, there's a reason why you can't run Windows Vista on an old 486 machine (even if it has enough memory, etc.), and that's because the new software depends heavily upon newer hardware designs to run more complex algorithms and lean hard on those math co-processors (read: hide their bloat and junk from end-users). Run new software on an old machine, and it bogs down and errors out. Again, I don't recommend this, although others probably will.</rant>
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Take a look at Wisbar Advance version 2.x, too. It was written for WM5, and won't crash your phone. WA version 3 looks nice too, though I haven't got experience first-hand with it. This assumes the reason you're looking at SPB is for skinning, of course.
As far as customizing your today screen goes, I'd also recommend rlToday. It's easily designed using basic XML, and was written for WM5, too. Can heavily incorporate graphics and so forth.

Myrddin Wyllt said:
Lastly, loading new ROMs is a complex and easily flubbed process, from what I've read, and I share your disinterest in bricking an expensive piece of hardware. Frankly, I suspect that the main reason HTC never bothered to upgrade the 8125 to WM6 is because it actually can't handle it, from a hardware standpoint. Every person who has loaded a cooked ROM to a Wizard seems to have reported bugs, errors, and other problems, even with cleanly performed installations. I haven't seen nearly as much complaint from WM5 users.
So, strip down your installation, get rid of the junk, even over-clock the processor if you want (mine runs just fine at around 247MHz), but for my part, I would recommend against loading WM6 on a Wizard, purely based on stability of the hardware/software working in tandem.
<rant>After all, there's a reason why you can't run Windows Vista on an old 486 machine (even if Really???it has enough memory, etc.), and that's because the new software depends heavily upon newer hardware designs to run more complex algorithms and lean hard on those math co-processors (read: hide their bloat and junk from end-users). Run new software on an old machine, and it bogs down and errors out. Again, I don't recommend this, although others probably will.</rant>
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Really...is that so???
I've run WM6 on my wizard for quite a bit of time with no bugs or issues of any kind. My rom is very stable, fast and quite dependable...and a helluva lot better than Tmo's stock rom which I had to reboot pretty much daily. My Wizard runs my WM6 rom with no problems at all.
And always learn everything you can about your device first...yes you can damage it, but only if you are foolish enough to not READ READ READ the stickies and wiki first. Unlocking your device and upgrading it is actually pretty easy and painless. As for running SPB...SPB can run on both WM5 and WM6...and uninstalling is a breeze.
Wizards are actually VERY HARD to break. I know, I've tried. Mine has been dropped, rained on, upgraded and downgraded...it wasn't until the usb gave out mid rom flash that it finally gave up the ghost. I replaced it and immediately began abusing the new one. It might as well be called Timex, because the damned thing takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'!!!!

Project: Manila 3d porting - STILL IN DEVELOPMENT READ FIRST POST

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Progress on this project has almost completely stalled and further progress has been near impossible over the chatter from non developers. I do not wish to go much further into this, but if there is any further development it will be through other communications systems other than forum.xda-developers.com and releases will not be available to non developers untill code is complete.
Leaving this thread open is waste of all of the developers involveds time. if you have the cab and need any answers they ARE within this thread.
MOD EDIT: For historical Purposes I have edit this thread to preserve it's historical context.
THERE ARE SOME IMPORTANT FACTS IN THIS FIRST THREAD - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU ASK QUESTIONS
POWER DOWN DOES NOT WORK while TF3d IS LOADED. There is no fix for this, just a work around. read the rest of this first post for answers
SOFTWARE DRIVERS CAUSE WHITE SQUARES - this is due to the lack of ATI texture support - there is no fix, its by design
CONFIRMED WORKING DEVICES:
KS20, POLARIS, NIKE, KAISER, Imate ultimate 8502.
Things you need to know before you continue:
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You need WORKING OpenGL ES drivers. these can be software or hardware based, hardware being a lot faster. Omnia3D drivers WILL NOT HELP since they are Direct3D not OpenGL.
Software Drivers (best for old devices but cause white squares):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=121298&d=1223892257 (not the best - looking for better - These drivers will give you functionality but not perfect rendering)
Kaiser/Polaris/Nike Drivers:
http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php#update_20081009_1
IT IS NOT FINISHED - it is not ready for a day to day phone. dont expect to be able to use your phone properly while it is enabled. Soft resets will be needed often while it is enabled. Use the Today/Items control panel to disable it when you are not testing.
Its CPU & resource intensive. Its got high system specs, higher than most pre-kaiser era phone can handle easily, takes an age to install or uninstall and will slow most phones down to a crawl. It also is a huge battery drain and due to the power bugs its almost impossible to even charge the phone while its enabled.
If you find your phone a bit sluggish without TF3D, its probably not worth installing.
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Update 12: Direct from Chainfire:
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Third release
Here's the third public release. This is pretty much a maintenance release, wrapping some stuff up, nothing really new. See the changelog.
Changelog
- Graphics Fixed dotted line image (white dot top-left of the text on the home tab) (EDIT: Read fixed == removed!)
- Graphics Fixed incorrectly scaled globe on the internet tab (looks much better now )
- ToggleManila Fixed the shortcut for non-English devices
- CAB Broke the CAB into two: base files in English-US and additional language pack. This because the non-english language files take about 3 MB of storage space, but more importantly, are spread out over 484 files (which is almost half of all manila files). This split will make (un)installation much faster as well as have less impact on your phone's performance when not running TF3D (and it's not cooked in). If you are not running an English / US / WWE ROM and still want your language, get the language pack as well. The base CAB, installed, is now 8 MB, from 17 MB originally.
Download
*download removed*
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issues and work arounds
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White squares: Images appearing as white squares is due to non support of ATC textures - this can be caused by a non ATI graphics driver - either an nvidia one (intel used ati i beleive) or software based ones. This is an IP issue more than anything else, and not something that we as developers can easily fix. since the majority of HTC devices either have no 3d or ATI based 3d and this app requires 3d, we will spend our time on ATI based 3d. so the fix for white squares? unfortuantly, the most likely is new device! if you are lucky and youre device isnt very old, u MAY get new drivers - but this is NOT the thread for discussing it
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- POWER DOWN ISSUES: the current HTC-CA drivers for pretty much all devices have an issue with powering down. TF3D is one app that is effected by this issue, but because of its always on-ness - is more visibile than other apps - which tend to be 3d games - which the device doesnt sleep on. the only fix for this is to have TF3D unloaded when u want to sleep. this is not elegant but until this issue is resolved (and its proving to be a tricky one) it is the only solution. To make life easier, there is an app included in the TF3D cab called 'togglemanila' - this can be bound to a hardware button in control panel. this means u have to press two buttons to power down instead of the usual one (and its also worth disabling power saving) - but thats the cost of using beta applications and beta drivers.
+ Progress on this project has almost completely stalled and further progress has been near impossible over the chatter from non developers. I do not wish to go much further into this, but if there is any further development it will be through other communications systems other than forum.xda-developers.com and releases will not be available to non developers untill code is complete.
- Broken images tab or broken music tab: ensure you have diamond album and diamond audio manager installed.
+ Leaving this thread open is waste of all of the developers involveds time. if you have the cab and need any answers they ARE within this thread.

I'm willing to help with the xml coding.
It would be nice to have 3D working like 2D.

before pursuing further with the project, a good question may be, how does this differ from Manilla2D? are the differences big enough?

nuke1 said:
before pursuing further with the project, a good question may be, how does this differ from Manilla2D? are the differences big enough?
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Let's see.
Off the top of my head, vertical scrolling, full weather animations, animated digital clock, ability to create more tabs (they have for the VGA version anyway), animated people tab, etc.
It's worth it.

blazingwolf said:
Let's see.
Off the top of my head, vertical scrolling, full weather animations, animated digital clock, ability to create more tabs (they have for the VGA version anyway), animated people tab, etc.
It's worth it.
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It seems 3d has that arrow on the home screen that makes the clock smaller and shows at least two up coming appointments, which is better then one.
It may also open the ability to change this entirely which doesn't yet seem possible on 2d.
I just can't use something that doesn't show vmail count, or more then one appointment. Along with the whole restarting...

blazingwolf said:
Let's see.
Off the top of my head, vertical scrolling, full weather animations, animated digital clock, ability to create more tabs (they have for the VGA version anyway), animated people tab, etc.
It's worth it.
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Animated envelope too? Also this launch program would be good. I would like to help too
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CraZyLiLbOy said:
Animated envelope too? Also this launch program would be good. I would like to help too
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Not sure that has anything to do with TF3D. I believe it is a separate program.

blazingwolf said:
Not sure that has anything to do with TF3D. I believe it is a separate program.
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Of course it does. That launch program popups when you touch the "All Program" in the programs tab

CraZyLiLbOy said:
Of course it does. That launch program popups when you touch the "All Program" in the programs tab
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Ahh, missed that.

brilliant - glad to see weve got some people as keen as myself.
the first thing we need to do is chose a base to work on. now the beta versions run already. very nicely too... but they arent finished version - so thats probably a no go. the diamond version installs but refuses to run - and we havent sussed out why yet. that really should be our first port of call. it would be good if someone out there has an older phone, pre-diamond - that has proper 3d support and wm6.1 - that could try the diamond cabs - and report on how far manila gets. Im not sure off the top of my head what a good device would be. the main issue at the moment is that the HTCCA drivers are not full implimentations - so the reason it doesnt start could be related to that amongst many other things - to scrub that one off the list would be a good start.

Unfortunately, that would not be my phone.

blazingwolf said:
Unfortunately, that would not be my phone.
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actually...thinking about it - thats almost any phone - for a 3d implimentation to be full doesnt need to be hardware - the openglcs_es.dll or whatever it was from the early manila 3d working betas is a fairly complete 3d implimentation - we should start by using that.

Just a suggestion,
I think that Manila3D has device limitation you should remove this first, to make it work on other VGA devices like Athena and Universal, after that you may start editing resources and scripts to make it qvga compatible

xplode said:
Just a suggestion,
I think that Manila3D has device limitation you should remove this first, to make it work on other VGA devices like Athena and Universal, after that you may start editing resources and scripts to make it qvga compatible
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Agree..better try to make VGA version first and if it is possible to run on other devices already..QVGA version can be start after that..will be more easier

I show my full support for this project as I will use this in my ROM all the time if it gets completely....2D is nothing like 3D which I really want

xplode said:
Just a suggestion,
I think that Manila3D has device limitation you should remove this first, to make it work on other VGA devices like Athena and Universal, after that you may start editing resources and scripts to make it qvga compatible
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is this not exactly what i wrote in the first post?
we need to get it to run first - that could be a device limitation or it could simply be a dependancy issue. to really find out, some form of debugging tool would be helpful - i know what kinda tool id like - something like snoopdos from my amiga days - something that shows every dll an app tries to load - and which are succesful - this would prove or disprove the dependancy issue.
there are rumours of manila.exe looking at the nk.rom files - this maybe to check device or it maybe to load an embedded dll or similar.

something that might help with this.......
only rumour so far i believe, but the Verizon version of the diamond has the exact same specs as the htc touch (vogue, 400mhz, etc). sooooo i believe this will be possible for slower devices. of course IF that is true and it comes out, then it should be fairly easy to port to older VGA devices (as already stated), then work on QVGA.
the only thing this will do is make it easier to port, if it is in fact true.

jakub_w said:
something that might help with this.......
only rumour so far i believe, but the Verizon version of the diamond has the exact same specs as the htc touch (vogue, 400mhz, etc). sooooo i believe this will be possible for slower devices. of course IF that is true and it comes out, then it should be fairly easy to port to older VGA devices (as already stated), then work on QVGA.
the only thing this will do is make it easier to port, if it is in fact true.
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That would be rumor and innuendo. There is also talk that the Diamond for Verizon will be exactly like the Sprint version.

i love you djboo
now that herg has abandoned us, we must take matters into our own hands.
I'll be glad to help any way i can
let's get this thing working

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That would be rumor and innuendo. There is also talk that the Diamond for Verizon will be exactly like the Sprint version.
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Whenever Verizon Diamond does come out, which is either 09 or 10....then it will easily be ported, now...to port it from Sprint Diamond, it will need the drivers and a reduced size of the manilla in order to work, that means porting everything

Plase Move This to the Dev Section---Willing to make a new shell interface for Omnia

Hi Guys,
Ok, i've thrown the lure on Modaco and now i try here, I'm basically looking for someone to code this idea.
I'm an Omnia lucky owner and i really love it, particularly it's versatility.
I just regret the lack of cool interfaces (put Manilla 2d aside, it's awesome, but it's like having an htc device on out phones, not very exclusive). here are two quick layouts of an idea i had today, it's practically just eyecandy stuff, maybe not the top usability around but, you know, in our life we must satisfy ourselves...
Basically i'm looking for someone to code this, if it's mildly possible, 'cause i'm a poor lazy designer, and i don't chew any "if" or any "else"...
So here they are, a portrait and a landscape view of what's laying in my mind:
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the idea is to have a spinning wheel of icons, transparent if possible (png with alpha?) that can grant access to the corrisponding main ambients of a mobile shell when tapped, just like SPB mobile shell or manilla, only more "graphic". The thing is conceived to be touch driven, with hrizontal sliding to spin the icons wheel and a vertical slide to access a second menu, just in case smile.gif The background (plane + rings) should be still, just a plain image.
I plan to design the "inside" of any section if i find someone crazy enough to follow my babblings, things like a photo gallery, a media player, a weather panel, etc.... (ye ye, like manilla) ando oh yes, no windows bars for now.
If there's someone who own the knowledge to understand the feasibility of this thing, my first question is "Flash lite?" cause i like very much the idea of having something very kinetic and possibly quick, and i'm not completely new to flash to keep me from helping.
Any Thoughts ?
P.S.: i'm sorry if some phrases in my post aren't clear enough, but i'm italian and i'm not so sure about my english.
Cheers.
Hellbender.
PPS: Frak, wrong section, please can a mod move it in the appropriate one ? I'm so lame.

I'm not an Omnia owner, nor can I help you, but I think it's a pretty cool looking idea. As for the language, I wouldn't have guessed until you said it that you weren't a native English speaker... No worries. I hope someone can help you get this idea off the ground, maybe having a few levels of wheels (i.e. flicking up and down gets to an inner or outer wheel from the one it's at) would make it more fun to navigate. Wheel 1 is your basics, and when you select something (like programs) wheel 2 lists the programs... Quick to get back and forth and easy to sort through. Good luck!

it will be difficult to remove the window bars and softkeys while keeping the touchflo.
This will have to be done in C++ (basically rework the whole frontend.) -meaning we need to know alot about each API to be able to create a flawless frontend that works with WM6.0+ backend
This will be quite a project.
I like how it looks

@Black93300ZX: thank you for your kindness
@zeezee: so i assume that products like SPB Mobile Shell are written in C++. I would be happy with just a fullscreen app that overlays on the today screen (SPB like), non necessarily a total integration like Manilla 2D. I haven't any idea about the performance.
"...meaning we need to know alot about each API.." you mean each single app i would add to that interface ? Because i was thinking that could be initially just some sort of launcher with graphical navigation, and adding features with time.
Obviously the BEST should be to intregrate every single function inside the same graphical environment, but for starters this is far from my expectations.
For now it's a spare time project, i'll take everything community can give to help.
Hellbender.

I really like the idea, especially the concept mock up interface you have developed. However I think you might get a better reception if you try and aim to make the application available for all HTC users, aka a universal front end to the essentials much like what SPB Mobile Shell does. Sadly my programming expertise is not that great to help out, sorry.
Best of luck getting others onboard to help you out with it!

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I really like the idea, especially the concept mock up interface you have developed. However I think you might get a better reception if you try and aim to make the application available for all HTC users, aka a universal front end to the essentials much like what SPB Mobile Shell does. Sadly my programming expertise is not that great to help out, sorry.
Best of luck getting others onboard to help you out with it!
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That's true, if you made it generic for Windows Mobile I'm sure you could find plenty of developers here who would help you out. Unfortunately, asking for help with software for a Samsung on an HTC forum may present problems. :|

Black93300ZX said:
That's true, if you made it generic for Windows Mobile I'm sure you could find plenty of developers here who would help you out. Unfortunately, asking for help with software for a Samsung on an HTC forum may present problems. :|
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I could be wrong but I'm under the impression the Omnia runs windows mobile 6.1 which iirc is the first samsung phone to use windows mobile.

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I could be wrong but I'm under the impression the Omnia runs windows mobile 6.1 which iirc is the first samsung phone to use windows mobile.
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It does, but I'm saying I think originally he was asking for this to be made specifically for the Omnia, wouldn't work with HTC devices... Just like a lot of the customizations on the Tilt won't work on the Touch Pro. If he asked for it to be a generic program for Windows Mobile, however, he might have better luck as developers will have their phones to test it on.

For a start, Flash Lite is probably easier, but using C++ may end up with a better finished product that's more compatible.
I love the idea, and think the graphics look great!
I can help code it, but I'm certain there are better people with more time than me.
If the whole interface were 2D rather than 3D (using scaling to produce a 3D like effect) it'll run faster and probably better. And it'll be far less reliant on hardware.
I don't own an Omnia, but I'm sure there's an emulator available for the resolution, and it would be cool to have it on other screens as well.
Oh, and since I seem to be the first mod here, I'll move the thread.

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It does, but I'm saying I think originally he was asking for this to be made specifically for the Omnia, wouldn't work with HTC devices... Just like a lot of the customizations on the Tilt won't work on the Touch Pro. If he asked for it to be a generic program for Windows Mobile, however, he might have better luck as developers will have their phones to test it on.
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Oh opps, thanks for pointing that out.

[GAME] Cube 2005 running HW 3D Accelerated on my Diamond !

Hello guys, you must have meet me in other thread such as "OMG!!! i got quake 3 ce running on my Diamond !" and others-alike, so with no further delay i present you another hardware accelerated 3D FPS:
Cube 2005
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Installation procedures:
1- download Cube PPC from here: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/cube/cube_2004_05_22_pocketpc_bin_xscale_opengl_es.zip
2- download libgles_cl.zip from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415523 and extract the libgles_cl.dll wrapper to \Windows
3- make sure you enable TouchFlo (yes, it must be activated!)
Ain't got much time to test it, but you can read a more through review here: http://www.mobilitysite.com/boards/games/125311-all-your-cube-3d-questions-answered.html
Also many thanks to NuShrike who come up recently with the CL wrapper, whom without it, it would be impossible to have this running on our Diamonds (and probably on Raphael's too)
I've made a video and uploaded it to youtube, check it out (sorry about the non-focused image, my HP cam can't do better)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc3b9_CT2bw

iRiKi said:
Also many thanks to NuShrike who come up recently with the CL wrapper, whom without it, it would be impossible to have this running on our Diamonds (and probably on Raphael's too)
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Well, should run on the Kaiser too.
Does look better than your Heretic demo... I wonder why some works and some doesn't.

Never heard of this game before. Will have to look into this.
Thanks a lot.

Can´t extract, "File Corrupted or dammaged"

Hmm, good test of graphics once again. TF3D goes to Tap here to launch TouchFlo screen, and doesn't come out of it until a softreset.
EDIT: Ok, it seems Flip It (screen auto rotate utility) caused the glitch of TouchFlo.
However I can still run Cube with or without TouchFlo at same speeds, with same rendering and same FPS. Cube does, however give off different colours when you move around in the game.
Strange, your rendering in the youtube clip is near enough perfect, at least in comparison to mine.

I cant start the game with Cube.exe.. comes a error saying it cant be opened..
The ".DLL" file is suppose to go "Internmemory > Windows" or "/" > Windows"

Menu?
Ok ! seems to run ok on my touch diamond. but how do i change button config and access ingame menus?

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=ShCi7Jh61p0
touch diamond, touch flow on

is that the same file that makes cod2 run better as well?

Libgles_cl.dll is a fairly new discovery, it's libgles_cm.dll (the one used by CoD2) you're confusing it with.

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I cant start the game with Cube.exe.. comes a error saying it cant be opened..
The ".DLL" file is suppose to go "Internmemory > Windows" or "/" > Windows"
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Trying again..

You know.. you would think somebody would write a BT keyboard and mouse driver so you guys can play these FPS naturally.

iRiKi why don't you tell us how unplayable is, especially when playing singleplayer mode (with bots)?
About 2-5 FPS when bots are near you. So totally unplayable.
+ textures are waxed (when moving, you can see through them or gets black)
Conclusion: no joy

this is an open.-source freeby from 2004 that never was updated, besides this game isn't even supposed to run on htc's, just axims, the funny part is recently someone came with a libgles_cl renderer which allowed us to actually run the game. it has some rendered bugs (black areas) which hopefully will help developers improving the wrapper.
now DSF, what have YOU done for the community (besides whinning) ?

THPS2, Quake 3 which also uses OpenGL ES CL/CM have low FPS. I really don't want to start again and again to make comparison between an old 2005 device and those HTC+Qualcomm devices
Okay... this will go offtopic but I have to write this.
With all those posts I actually help. I wish I could read about the performance of touch pro BEFORE buying it. But actually haven't found information about this, so I thought to myself, at least HTC has succeeded to bring good graphics performance. But.. that is false.
Reading your first post, one may think that this game is running good or very good. You haven't said anything about poor low frame rate, it's totally unplayable with bots. If we hide these "details" do you think we can resolve anything?
I will continue to post the truth about touch pro/diamond so :
1) people will know that there are very good alternatives to HTC+Qualcomm (eg: Omnia+Marvell)
2) HTC will try to improve/work on this area (though I don't think this will be happen . see the past htc class auction + the costumer interaction experience is extremely poor, they don't admit that those device have MULTIPLE problems, not only related to graphics but also to GPS, sound, drain, etc etc)
This should be announced to a large scale.
.. The problem is that many persons thanks their self with all those poor thingy... or they start to compromise.
- gps has lag, so what? at least I have GPS
- sound breaks? it's not an ipod, come on!
- crappy speackerphone/earpice? umm.. nothing is perfect
- sluggish UI experience? eeh.. it's a WM
- poor OpenGL performance? so what? at least it has hardware acceleration
- battery drains quickly? man it has a VGA screen and this beauty is fully packed! (even if you use one function at a time)
- ETC ETC
Some of us just find apologies for all these issues. Why? I mean WHY? We paid for every feature in the phone and it's not normal to perform (below) mediocre.. Another counter-replies for the real/palpable issues from *some* HTC fanboys are "get an iphone". This conception is so wrong.. Maybe they are thinking that are superior to the others because they use the PPC for business purpose lol. They said it like they want WM to be sluggish when coming to entertainment. WM is more than mail, internet, office dudes. It's a portable pocket PC. A PC in your pocket.
Let's try to be realistic. HTC ads new features and take n steps back in terms of functions quality. This is not normal, technology evolves, prices get low, more performance, device pieces become more reliable, devices become compact, etc etc... Unfortunately HTC+Qualcomm is not our case.. they add cheap features at a high price.
BTW iRiKi, I do appreciate your work, but we must say the WHOLE story.

im not a fanboy. i already said on other threads this is the last qualcomm device i'll ever buy. but i have another pda, the Qtek S100 (known as Magician) and i can compare the diamond with the magician, and tbh it's not as bad as ppl paint. the magician battery doesn't last 2 days as the diamond, and it's 1300 mah vs 900. the performance on cod2 software is awfull, and it has to draws 4 times less pixels than the diamond. iGo is also slow on the magician.
about the gps/sound/battery rants. sorry but you're offtopic here, wanna flame htc do it elsewhere
and yes, ill say it again, to clear your doubts as htc fanboy: the diamond was the first, and also the last qualcomm device i'll ever buy.
my sister wanted a new cell, and was unsure about 3 devices: the HD, the iPhone 3G and the Nokia N96. the only advice i gave was: dont buy the htc and choose from the other 2 cells. and that's what she did

But I haven't called you a fanboy.. I was talking about the users with "get an iphone" recomandations...

Well this are little offtopic but it are a good thing that iriki give us this tips about the 3d hw on div games that will bring ppl even closer too the perfect driver and on my touch pro il get around 12-15 fps in this game but yes it have gfx bugs but what so? atleast it prove that we can run in 3d hw! And maybe in the future will we even get better drivers for this devices. Still this is alot closer to perfect games in 3d hw on the htc phones and most ppl should know that this devices can do alot more if we just get the right driver..hopefully in the future! i had a nokia n95 before this phone and i can say i dont regret at all when i did buy this phone for sure and for a note the gps did lag also in n95..on my touch pro i havent seen any lag in garmin gps so far maybe on the diamond it are just to wait for better rom that fix alot bugs for me i use elite rom on my touch pro and can say the phone are damn fast

Iriki, I don't think DSF is being critical of you. I think he just loathes HTC for letting down its consumers once again, and so he's complaining that graphics still don't seem to be at an optimum.
Of course, you are looking at it in a more positive light, which is good.
I can however see where DSF is coming from. If we become too complacent/relaxed with HTC then they will keep getting away with it, like they did with the Kaiser and now Diamond. HTC should know that its customers want a driver update, that fully utilises the advertised Qualcomm/ATI Imageon 64MB graphics chip.

DSF said:
+ textures are waxed (when moving, you can see through them or gets black)
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There's probably some things that need to be done in the wrapper that isn't being done at all right now. The Axim probably supported texture image formats the ATI doesn't, so have to write some code to convert that ...

[DEV] DiamondDownloadManager 0.03 now available!

After doing my ActionScreen, I realised I could adapt the framework very easily to create a download manager.
Currently, the only applications on it are ones that I've hardcoded, although I'm almost certainly going to extend it to 3rd party software, and probably build in some form of updates system...
I will also be implementing this as an "add ons" system to a ROM I'm working on. E.g. it's a very light ROM with a long list of cabs that can be downloaded and installed from one place.
Why am I posting it here you may ask... Well, I want to get some ideas for what to do, and see what people think of it before I release it.
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What I'm hoping to do:
Application categories
Sorting by developer
Submissions (two levels, trusted - have been checked, and untrusted - haven't been checked but have warnings plastered all over them)
Details screen with a screenshot and some text
Proper updates mechanism
Kinetic list scrolling (I just can't be asked to derive displacement from velocity at the moment...)
Warning, this may destroy your device, and possibly the planet, but I cannot be held responsible!
Cab attached below, backup anything you care about, copy it across install and run...
0.04 is identical (bar the fact that it thinks its 0.04 instead of 0.03...), but is hosted somewhere else to demonstrate the current update mechanism.

Reserved for me

Looks good so far!
I would initially focus on included barebone (trusted) apps in the download manager (with auto-update notification functionality) and eventually branch it out to 3rd party apps...
This notion in general is the one (and only) thing that the iphone has over all other devices currently

great idea

PorX said:
Looks good so far!
I would initially focus on included barebone (trusted) apps in the download manager (with auto-update notification functionality) and eventually branch it out to 3rd party apps...
This notion in general is the one (and only) thing that the iphone has over all other devices currently
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Currently, there are nine applications I've built from the Diamond 2.03 ROM (the Blackstone Manila is from mun_rus), and no form of update function has been implemented.
All the icons and images are the ones the Diamond Comm Manager uses, so changing them changes the skin in this.
Anyone have any ideas for what kind of data base I should use? So far, everything is hardcoded!

looks very nice and clean, as a past nokia user i used to use nokias download manager, maybe you could have folders on the opening/main screen and have dif things also like games, themes, wallpapers etc but keep the folders etc in with the style of manila like uv done so far, very good work, keep it up.
regards,
biggzy

Nice work mate.
Glad to see MS havn't put you off with their Sky*** stuff
How about colaborating with CRC and his Device Update stuff? He has a killer back end that use Geo Balanced FTP Servers. The client just makes HTTP requests and the server returns XML.
Me and Chainfire were working on it with him, but Chainfire got busy and we were waiting for a "grand design" from him.
Just a suggestion...
Dave

DaveShaw said:
Nice work mate.
Glad to see MS havn't put you off with their Sky*** stuff
How about colaborating with CRC and his Device Update stuff? He has a killer back end that use Geo Balanced FTP Servers. The client just makes HTTP requests and the server returns XML.
Me and Chainfire were working on it with him, but Chainfire got busy and we were waiting for a "grand design" from him.
Just a suggestion...
Dave
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That sounds cool...
A nice back end would be good (I have an ini, some hardcoded variables, and download files directly rather than HTTP requests because my current host can't deal with them!)
Also, there is a cab attached to the first post.
Read the warning!

You never stop
Hi l3v5y,
You never stop. You are developing a new action screen, this download manager now. What will be the next? ;-)
Both tools are great. Thanks!!
Regards

elparra72 said:
Hi l3v5y,
You never stop. You are developing a new action screen, this download manager now. What will be the next? ;-)
Both tools are great. Thanks!!
Regards
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I had two days off school because of snow, so I released some things I'd been working on!
I do have a reworking of "ScrollLauncher" that I did some time ago, and I need to make iShell work better!
But, what could I do next instead?
Just realised the version of Opera I uploaded was a QVGA one, so you'll need eyes like a hawk and pointy fingernails to use it... I'll fix that later though.

PDM
I actually use and like the pdm software that comes inside the TIR rom

eurorpeen said:
I actually use and like the pdm software that comes inside the TIR rom
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In what ways is it better or worse than this? It would be nice to get some feedback on it in comparison to this...

Cool.
This app will build a APPSTORE for Diamond.

Hi,
what about to build a kind of appstore with a much bigger database with possibility to filter applications by device compatibility? I have the database
Feel free to contact me if you are interested.

worki2k1 said:
Hi,
what about to build a kind of appstore with a much bigger database with possibility to filter applications by device compatibility? I have the database
Feel free to contact me if you are interested.
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There are a few things I need to work on in my frontend (categories, sorting the list, kinetic scrolling etc), and then I need to find a fast, lightweight database system before I can consider having a decent database.
I have tried to contact CRCinAU (DeviceUpdate) and there's some discussion about the Gecko database, which may be potential backends. The thing I don't want to end up with is a completely seperate system. I think to be able to distribute apps in a decent, managed way, all the frontends need to work with a single unified backend, so developers can submit their application once, and only once.

isn't this illegal, providing those cabs?

Richardprins said:
isn't this illegal, providing those cabs?
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What CABs?
Dave