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Help with Forced VGA

Hi all,
I'm having problems getting any program to run in true VGA mode. I have read every article on SE VGA and true VGA and forced VGA but I think I'm still missing something. Either I don't understand what forced VGA really does or I just cannot get it to work. From what I understand is that the HTC Universal runs standard in se VGA mode which does the pixel doubling so you still get the same amount of space but it looks alot sharper. Now you also have true VGA mode which lets you run everything on your Universal in VGA mode without pixel doubling which means you have lots of space but everything looks very small. For this you have to use SE VGA or OzVGA. Now there is also a third mode which is Forced VGA and if I understand correctly it let's you get the best of both worlds cause it allows you to run in normal mode (se VGA with pixel doubling) but you can force some programs to run in true VGA mode.
Well I tried getting some programs to run in the third mode (forced VGA) with Tweaks2k2.Net and the Force High Resolution v1.60 tool from Mad Programmer but neither one works or I'm not doing something right.
If I use forced VGA mode am I not suppose to see the programs run in true 640 by 480 at 96 DPI without pixel doubling while the rest of the system runs on normal se VGA mode with pixel doubling?
I really hope someone can help me out here and explain this to me or just send me in the right direction.

omnichaos,
I think your description sounds correct. Have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=206523#206523
This pic best describes the ideal hack - QVGA double pixeled UI, but with VGA apps.
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"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
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Technically it's perfectly possible with all apps, if they've been written correctly. However, I've only ever seen it done with NetFront. I'm sure more examples exist.
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Yes that is exactly what I'm looking for.
So the program has to be written a certain way for us to be able to see it like that?
I thought that this could also be achieved with the Forced VGA hack.
I guess not then?
I wonder why developers don't make their programs this way.
Why couldn't they give you the option of choosing in what resolution a user might want to run the program in.

It's likely to become more common once VGA devices start becoming more established. Basically, PIE is written to ALWAYS pixel double. Most other apps could be forced, but I've not really looked into it. I always and only run in VGA on my universal. But I use a magician as my phone, Uni is just for developing!
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Ah I see.
You say you use universal only for developing. Now if you were to use it all the time as your main phone, would you still always run in true VGA?
Btw, VJSihaya looks very nice. I will be keeping my eye on it.
Is VJSihaya kind of like explorer.exe on WinXP which runs in VGA and in it you can run other programs or do you plan to make it a today screen replacement. I would rather not use it as a today screen replacement though. I think it would be much better if it runs separately from today screen because then you would still be able to have QVGA today screen and use your other programs in VGA or QVGA if you wanted to.

if you were to use it all the time as your main phone, would you still always run in true VGA?
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Depends on how it's set up. My Magician is my main phone, and I barely use it as a phone. I use calendar, contacts, ebooks etc.
On the Uni, I can set it up at VGA to be comfortable for most things, but this semi-VGA idea would be best. At VGA, you can set up large scrollbars, chunky fonts etc and have it set well for the hand. But I use my Uni right in front of my face most of the time, again, ebooks, watching "Frasier" in bed etc. So for that kind of stuff, VGA is fine. However, VGA all the time for "normal" use, and I'm sure you'll go blind.
Semi - VGA is clearly possible, the Netfront example shows it, and all it requires is for programmers to take it into consideration when programming. I'm sure it will become standard in time as an option.
VJSihaya will be like a "shell" replacement. Hopefully, it can "be" your Today screen, but it's not intended as a replacement for your Today screen, although if you look at the screenshots, it can contain your Today screen anyway. I've recently implemented Today screen functionality directly, so you don't need Today at all, but I don't advise it. It's not a replacement, just an alternative.
VJSihaya doesn't really have a "function". Most people intend their PDAs to be handheld: can you use it with a finger? VJSihaya is best at VGA resolution, and basically just makes good use of the extra space, but will tie you to the stylus quite a lot (although in time, there's no reason why you couldn't make a chunky finger powered skin. The Vista skin is quite finger friendly already). You can run an app in a QVGA size screen in VJSihaya - you can see an example of a QVGA sized app running unskinned in VJSihaya here.
VJSihaya won't pixel double it to fill a VGA screen. It will merely let you run a QVGA app at QVGA size on a VGA screen. The screenshot at the above link hopefully explains better!
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Well thx for taking the time to explain this.
If I'm not mistaken Terminal Services also runs in Semi VGA.
Do you think VJSihaya will support Semi-VGA sometime in the future?
That would be pretty cool.
You could then have everything run in QVGA pixel doubling mode and only VJSihaya run in VGA. And then every program you run inside VJSihaya could either run in a QVGA window (as shown in some of the screenshots) or you could maximize the program and have it run in VGA. All this without having to softreset everytime.

VJSihaya windowed apps dynamically resize to fill their window, generally and depending on the app (eg for now, in the Vista screenshot, gsfinder isn't. But the other apps all are). But they don't do any kind of pixel doubling etc. Which apps were you thinking of as running in QVGA?
Ok, I'll clarify.
VJSihaya in the screenshots is running at 640x480.
If the Benchmark screenshot linked above, Flash is running at 320x240 - QVGA size, and takes 1/4 of the screen. That's VJSihaya's raison d'etre, to run apps windowed in that manner. Those apps can be dynamically resized, so eg the calendar can run in a small window (eg 150x150), or be enlarged to fill a whole 640x480 as required.
Oh. I think I just de-clarified myself! Are you're suggesting that the system is run at normal QVGA dpi, but make VJSihaya VGA native, so apps can run in the QVGA system pixel doubled, or otherwise live inside VJSihaya as resizable, potentially VGA windows? Even I barely understand that, but I think I know what I mean. I think. I'll try it out if I can.
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Yes this is all getting a little bit confusing :lol: but I think you got what I meant in you last phrases.
Are you're suggesting that the system is run at normal QVGA dpi, but make VJSihaya VGA native, so apps can run in the QVGA system pixel doubled, or otherwise live inside VJSihaya as resizable, potentially VGA windows? Even I barely understand that, but I think I know what I mean. I think. I'll try it out if I can.
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Yes this is what I'm suggesting.
So to clarify.
You use your uni in normal QVGA pixel doubling mode.
You then use VJSihaya which runs in VGA 640 x 480 non pixel doubling mode (as it would run if you use OzVGA).
Then every program that you run inside VJSihaya would run in a windowed QVGA NON pixel doubling mode (as seen in your screenshots).
And since the programs inside VJSihaya already run without pixel doubling but in a QVGA window you would just maximize them to make them run fullscreen in VGA.
Pffewww..... :shock: :lol:
I don't know if this is feasible but it would be very cool since you don't have to use OzVGA anymore and softreset if you wanted to run an app in true VGA and then have to softreset back to use your uni in normal mode for everything else.

Yes, exactly what I thought I was thinking :shock:
I really don't know, I'll try to check out VJSihaya in a QVGA environment ASAP. It's not currently expressly hi res aware, because I always run in a hi res environment, but I'll incorporate the settings. I'm not optimistic, but it'd be interesting to see what happens...
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I hope that you can get this to work. 8)
And if you do I would really like to know about it.
It doesn't have to be in this post but if you could mention it somewhere as a feature, maybe on your own site or a new post here at xda-devs.
Somewhere where I can check back and see if you managed to get it working. I really don't want to be one of those guys that keeps asking "when is it going to be implemented". :roll: I know that can be quite irritating.
And you don't have to feel pressured into doing this either. All of this was just an idea/request. I know you code in your free time.
Keep up the good work...

No problem. I was reading a bit more on hires_aware yesterday, and it would be a wonderful combination - general OS in QVGA, but apps running in VGA if required. But, I don't know if it can work, it would be magic - can the system jump from pixel doubling to hires_aware like this? I don't know, but I'll try it this weekend I hope.
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vijay555 - for me that would be great - OS in QVGA and switching into VGA on the fly for IE. I am new to WM5 and can find no way of doing this (I used the .MUI hack in 2003SE on an iPAQ 4700 which was ideal). All I need (or want) is IE in VGA - I assume I'm reading this forum right and currently IE in VGA and everything else in QVGA is not sussed yet ?

Waltzing Mathilda: this is all absolutely hypothetical right now. I'll give it a go shortly though (once I stop posting!). However, it's likely PIE will always have to be in VGA for VGA.
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Internet Explorer and HTML Controls
HTML layouts are an exception to the rule that all pixel coordinates should be scaled. On Windows Mobile-based Pocket PCs, Internet Explorer interprets pixel coordinates in HTML specifically as 96-DPI pixels. Although it is always best to use relative coordinates in HTML (defining a table column as 50% of the table width, for example), if you are currently using pixel metrics, they will continue to produce the same layout at higher DPI.
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However, it should be relatively easy to make a new browser based on the IE web browser control, which can be hires aware.
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Hmm, bad news
Although you can see that VJSihaya is running in VGA, the native apps are still being run native QVGA.
Now, what this means: well, I think there is another way. It would require quite a significant hack, which I don't think is feasible, but I'm going to have to do part of it for VJSihaya anyway, so at some point I'll try investigate this hack as well. This would require making VJSihaya trick the OS into selectively using pixel doubling, and on other occassions not... not sure if it can happen... but if and when, it'll be quite a while until I can put that particular hack in place.
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Guys, this might be obvious, but has anyone tried resource hacking PIE to include the Hi_res_aware resource?
I just tried, but unfortunately my rom ripped files won't allow me to edit the resources (a by-product of rom ripping?) and mamaich's rom tools haven't created contiguous files, just directories of files like S000 etc
Anyway, if we can get the files, we need to have a look at
browser.dll
browsres.192.dll
browsres.96.dll
browsres.dll
compime.dll
iexplore.exe
shlwapi.dll
webview.dll
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That really is too bad. Maybe it can be done the way you suggested. Will keep my fingers crossed.

vijay555 said:
omnichaos,
I think your description sounds correct. Have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=206523#206523
This pic best describes the ideal hack - QVGA double pixeled UI, but with VGA apps.
Technically it's perfectly possible with all apps, if they've been written correctly. However, I've only ever seen it done with NetFront. I'm sure more examples exist.
Man...how did u manage to RUN NF 3.1 on yr Uni.....
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hdubli: that's not my pic, if you follow the source of the image back you'll see the guy who posted the info. He explains how he hacked it like that. I think it just works... but I've never touched NF, so you'll have to take his word for it
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Sunscape

Project Orphaned and/or looking for main developer!
​First of all I'd like to say thank you to the community of people who helped bring Sunscape this far. The people from xda developers, as well as those who joined in the meanwhile make this forum an excellent place to start, maintain, develop and most importantly test any type of software.
Sadly, I lack the resources, for example time, to continue my development of Sunscape. During the time I've been writing and testing this program I have tried to provide an alternative to what we already have on the market. I'm currently looking to orphan the project and/or find a main developer to co-author the program. Perhaps somebody with more talent, will and desire to continue Sunscape.
Thus, if there's anybody willing to either take up the whole project and move on with it, or be the main developer of this project with my assistance, I would very much be interrested. Please let me know, I'll keep checking my messages to see if somebody is interested. Thank you!
-*-​
[About]
Sunscape is an opensource alternative to the iPhone lock. Sunscape tries to allow the user to fully configure the screen locker down to the very last details as well as maintaining a small memory footprint and trying to be as compatible as possible with very many different devices.
[Requirements]
This app has been tested on an Axim x51v and by a couple of people reporting it to be stable enough. It's ongoing development so I appreciate any kind of complaint, suggestion, bug, code modification or anything else you'd like to do. These are the minimum requirements:
Windows Mobile 5 onward (sorry wm2003 users out there)
Compact Framework 2.0
[Features]
R2U (rub to unlock) and S2U (slide to unlock)
vga/qvga anything, depends what you configure it to be!
fully configurable interface (including graphics etc...) based on a documented XML file with configuration tool.
on screen display for time, date, appointments, alarms.
on screen display of battery, messages, notes, emails, signal, weather, etc...
uses pressure-points instead of "slide to unlock", future releases will include other nifty ways to unlock based on touch.
has a small memory footprint and triggers based on time and load opposed to OEM "backlight" triggers.
can hotswap portrait vs landscape, ie, it will automatically switch to landscape or portrait mode on supported devices.
has separate configuration options for both modes portrait and landscape.
supports fully configurable full screen callerID and answer or reject by reaching a pressure point.
[Themes]
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Pipboy_v5 [ including aussiebum's WVGA version - you will need the latest cab file for this theme ]
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master athlon's Guess Who
---------------*---------------​ sempixel's Squared Nature [ you can find the French version there too ]
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ruebyi's GANT
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sansnil's Galaxy
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[Artwork]​ -Arturo-'s icons:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2661130&postcount=290​
[Download]
Stable releases are those who were thoroughly tested by several people. They don't contain the latest features, modifications or bugfixes but they are bound to work and be compatible with the themes you've seen above. Snapshot releases are development releases with new features and enhancements and are thus prone to not work correctly. In either case, if you've found a bug, please report it and I'll fix it asap!
[Stable]
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/sunscape/Sunscape-0.4.zip?use_mirror=
[Snapshots]​ Top most is the most recent version! Please note that themes may not work unless the developers have updated to the new Sunscape.xml! If you post bug reports please post them for the top most version in the list below. The others below the top most are there just for history purpose. Please download the top most as it contains the recent changes and bugfixes.
http://rapidshare.com/files/183247195/Sunscape-200901153518.CAB
http://rapidshare.com/files/182773208/Sunscape-200901135412.CAB
http://rapidshare.com/files/182252995/Sunscape-200901113323.CAB
http://rapidshare.com/files/180096023/Sunscape-200901050420.CAB
http://rapidshare.com/files/176931910/Sunscape-200812262915.CAB
http://rapidshare.com/files/176471326/Sunscape-200812244521.CAB
http://rapidshare.com/files/175074378/Sunscape-200812203906.CAB
[ SVN ]
You can always grab the latest SVN version from HERE. Please note that this will change in time and is considered the most unstable version of Sunscape. If you just want to browse the repository, you can do so HERE.
​ [TODO]
I included this section to easily track feature requests and stuff that must be done.
- Gestures (should be done, will take a bit of modifications to the core, no planned date yet).
- Show in front of password/locker screen.
[Changes]
current:
Included S2U functionality (currently supported on the PipBoy theme).
Text centering on gadget display.
Option to use other font styles bold, italic etc...
Add option to create shortcut in Windows\StartUp through Sunscape Config.
Added remote control utility to control Sunscape.
Switched to memory resident mode, faster and more stable.
0.4:
Switched to SVN/Snapshot system.
Added signal gadget.
Revamped code, cleaner, tidier, faster...
Added application exceptions: you can set when Sunscape won't lock the screen. Useful, ie: a GPS application is running and you wan't Sunscape to play nice and not lock the screen.
Switched to our own process manager, bye bye PID files!
Added Sunscape-effect for real time wallpaper transitions.
Added single color transparency.
Added volume gauge.
Fix for true newlines in appointments and phone strings.
Fix for VK code handling, switched to hard-coded values for better compatibility.
Implemented exit on answer call.
Added month number in appointment section.
Added alarm and reminder handling, Sunscape now silently lets the system handle priority windows.
Added nickname and middle name to phone format options.
Fixed phone handling, it should now get the caller contact properly.
Added localization settings.
Boosted startup speed.
Fixed day of week handling, it now displays correctly.
Added current battery level in percent on the battery gauge.
Fix for not locking while phone call active (uh, why didn't it work before?).
Sunscape Config now properly scales on SIP.
Changed unstable release system to YMDmh for better management.
Added drop-shadow for fonts.
Fixed centering. You can now have X = 0.
[More]
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sunscape/
[Alternates]
http://www.touch-innovation.com/details-66-1/
http://www.sevenrains.ro/index.php?q=sunscape
[Install]
If you downloaded the CAB file, just copy to your device and install as normal. In case you've downloaded the stable version, you'll find the CAB file in SunscapeCAB/Release and you can copy it to your device and install.
You will have three utilities installed: Sunscape - this is the main program and, when launched, will stay resident until the CPU Threshold is below the configured value; Sunscape Remote - this utility will help you control Sunscape while it is running; Sunscape Unlock - this will turn off Sunscape completely; Sunscape Config - this is the main configuration tool including some documentation. However, if you wish to theme for Sunscape, please refer to the Sunscape.xml file since it's a bit more detailed.
[Uninstall]
Please first run Sunscape Unlock.exe and then uninstall. Also, if you've created a shortcut with Sunscape Config, please remove it from either Sunscape Config or from the \Windows\Startup folder.
[Credits]
I'd like to thank A_C for being an inspiration, the guys at ppcwarez who were very helpful in accommodating my first release as well as testing it. Also many thanks to this thread and xda-developers for their useful comments and feedback that made this application come alive. I'd also like to thank master athlon, sempixel and ruebyi for their nice themes, -Arthuro- for the nice visible icons. Thank you!

thanks dude. will give it a try tomorrow.

thanks you.. I Go in to test.. lol

dang it, it doesnt work for me! i get The file 'Sunscape' cannot be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate, or one of its componets...etc. any idea as to why this might happen. using ETEN M600 w/ Kozhura's WM6.1 ROM

Not working on HTC Hermes - unhandled exception or something like that. Deinstalled...

pilgrim011:
Compact Framework 2.0 or higher installed?
master athlon:
Tough one! Usually happens if some component is not found... Like pilgrim011, please check you have Compact Framework 2.0 or higher installed... There shouldn't be a pretty solid reason it doesn't run, it runs fine on a ETEN Glofish X800.
nir36:
Thanks Please let me know what works and what doesn't...
lepsyfou:
Thanks for testing!

pilgrim011 said:
Not working on HTC Hermes - unhandled exception or something like that. Deinstalled...
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Same thing happens here.
iPAQ 614c.

SevenRains said:
pilgrim011:
Compact Framework 2.0 or higher installed?
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The one that comes with Windows Mobile 6 Professional(latest official HTC ROM), so - 2.0.

Hmm, tried a hard reset on a TyTN II - works...
Installed to storage card or device? Install to storage card doesn't work.
EDIT: It would be helpful if you can say what that error actually is...

It's working now - I reinstalled it to main storage, previous it was on storage card. Tomorrow I'll continue with testing.

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It's working now - I reinstalled it to main storage, previous it was on storage card. Tomorrow I'll continue with testing it.
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Many thanks pilgrim011! And sorry I didn't mention it should be installed to device instead of storage... Post updated!

master athlon said:
dang it, it doesnt work for me! i get The file 'Sunscape' cannot be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate, or one of its componets...etc. any idea as to why this might happen. using ETEN M600 w/ Kozhura's WM6.1 ROM
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I think we have the resolution - if you installed it to storage card, try installing it to main storage.

done did that
SevenRains said:
I think we have the resolution - if you installed it to storage card, try installing it to main storage.
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i installed it to the main storage, not the storage card. but i'll try to see what i can do about compact framework, although Kozhura's rom should already have CF 2.0 in there. thx for your help though.
EDIT: ok i installed Compact Framework 3.5 and it works! thx for the help Seven. i'll test and post back here looking forward to updates.

master athlon said:
i installed it to the main storage, not the storage card. but i'll try to see what i can do about compact framework, although Kozhura's rom should already have CF 2.0 in there. thx for your help though.
EDIT: ok i installed Compact Framework 3.5 and it works! thx for the help Seven. i'll test and post back here looking forward to updates.
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No, thank you for testing! If you have any special wishes, modifications, ideas, bug reports, stuff you don't like or anything else for that matter, please post them and I'll fix/add them to the next release paying the respective credits of course!

SevenRains said:
No, thank you for testing! If you have any special wishes, modifications, ideas, bug reports, stuff you don't like or anything else for that matter, please post them and I'll fix/add them to the next release paying the respective credits of course!
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no prob, happy to test for you . everything works good, its fast, stable, no crashes. although i have some request : 12hr clock option & lock on wakeup.

master athlon said:
no prob, happy to test for you . everything works good, its fast, stable, no crashes. although i have some request : 12hr clock option & lock on wakeup.
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Great! Ok, about the 12hr clock - doesn't it respect the regional settings? ie: if you've set your pda to 12hr clock doesn't it respect that? If not - I'll add a 12hr option in the configuration file. Easily done!
Lock on wakeup - Ok here's the thing. The previous version went exactly that way but I moved away from that for two reasons:
1.) The code was overly proprietary - believe it or not but it's like... very hard to tell when a power event is triggered. Ok not hard, but it MAY happen that different device types send different codes. I implemented it using the standard WM_BACKLIGHT_OFF on an Axim51v and to my surprise it wasn't working on an Eten (figures it used another code).
2.) The previous version was a bit slow - it happened that I wanted to turn on my phone to access some files quickly and instead of turning on quickly and accessing the files I was sitting there watching the screen lock... Annoying indeed!
In both cases, I'll see if there's some way around it (ie: to not use power events) and lock the screen on startup through some option in the configuration file.
Thanks again!

Not working
I hope i did really everything right but i get a unhandeld exception occured.
Hermes 300 offical WM6 German Version.
Installed on main memory
then i installed NET3.5 with reboot.
no way -> unhandeld exception

Time: no for some reason it doesnt respect the regional settings, i have mine set to US Central time, and it shows up with 24 hour clock regardless.
Lock: no big deal, i know what you mean about staring at the screen, i had the same prob with S2U2, thats why i dont use it anymore, but thanks for the heads up.

does it have a full screen caller ID like S2U2 cause thats the main reason i use it S2U2

dan0zone said:
does it have a full screen caller ID like S2U2 cause thats the main reason i use it S2U2
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Nope. Actually it should exit on an incoming call and let other "better" programs handle it. If it is a request, I can implement it and make it optional.

Yrgo - the new mobile shell, move things about - add gadgets etc.

yrgo - the most customizable user interface
Hi,
my name is Lukas Haraga and I've developed new user interface for Windows Mobile devices. I believe this product can be interesting for lot of people.
Check www.2daysoft.com and see the presentation video there. Believe me - you will like it .
Thanks,
Lukas

it looks very solid, its a shame that you have to pay for it though.
Keep working on the graphical flashiness of it, and do you have any numbers on memory usage (storage and program)

Memory consumption
In storage, it takes about 2.3MB, but there are two dlls - one for 320x240 (about 750kB) and one for 640x480 displays (about 1.1 MB). You can of course delete one of them after the installation.
The memory consumption: Task manager shows 180kB after the start (without any gadget on desktop) and it grows depending on number of gadgets, contacts, SMS messages, etc.

this is so awesome!! and really desktop grade software for windows mobile
congrats on a really great tool.
its great to see that it supports adding other today plugins as gadgets to yrgo!
folks, do have a look, its wicked awesome! (and yes, don't miss the design mode in video!)

Thanks. I'm glad you like it.
Guys, can you help me with my problem? I believe the software could be useful for lot of people. But almost nobody knows it.
So, how to make yrgo the most famous UI software in the world?
Thanks for advices.
Lukas

2daysoft said:
Guys, can you help me with my problem? I believe the software could be useful for lot of people. But almost nobody knows it.
So, how to make yrgo the most famous UI software in the world?
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Really cool software. Have you considered linking with websites like Handango where people can buy yrgo??
That's a good way to promote your product, IMO...

The Reaper said:
Really cool software. Have you considered linking with websites like Handango where people can buy yrgo??
That's a good way to promote your product, IMO...
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Handango wants 70% of the product price and this is too much for me. Imagine, the software price is $10 and you will get just $3.
But I'm going to release a free version with limited functionality and this version I'd like to have on handango and such servers.
Thanks for advice.
Lukas

i think you have to change the name of your
interface
yrgo- yoghurt
something more exotic
Only my opinion.

I just installed it though, and thus far it's quite good, going to play around and see if it works out. Design mode is definitely something I am for, as I hate editing XML files to change the smallest thing.
Suggestions:
Custom clocks
Custom fonts/images

I played with it a bit and it works fine on a 96dpi i780 in 320x320.
but i removed it quickly, because it doesnt support the hardware keyboard. when i start typing, i would like to go to the yrgo contacts list that starts filtering, like the built in dialer does from the today screen.
other than that it looks promising. very.
feature requests:
start searching contacts when you start typing on the hardware keyboard
support keyboard shortcuts. user customizable, so that when i add gadget to launch something, or to open my sms inbox, make it so that we can assign hardware keyboard shortcuts like "win+s" for the sms inbox, etc.

this is definitely a very promising UI program - runs quite smooth on my HTC Trinity, where other programs like throttle launcher are sluggish.
I'll post it in the Development and Hacking forum, because it certainly needs more work and improvements, especially graphics, and the gurus are always there
Is is customizable? Can u skin it easily??
Here is the thread I started on the Development and Hacking forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2563834#post2563834
Best luck with it

[New UI software] 2daysoft yrgo - very promising.
Hi everyone.
The trend of finger-friendly UI programs is known to all of us now, every week we hear about a new program like Lifetoday and others.
I stumbled upon a new and rather promising program called yrgo from 2daysoft
http://www.2daysoft.com/yrgo/index.html
I advise you to check the video in the homepage.
The programs has incredible potential IMHO - I would describe it as similar to UltimateLauncher , but less memory consuming, more finger friendly, and most of all - the extreme ease of configuring it through the design mode.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Obviously, there's lots of room for improvement, so I'm posting this thread for feedback and possible customization by the forum gurus in here
Pros:
1) low memory consumption - this is the main +, on my HTC Trinity it takes less than 1 MB, compared to the several MBs other UI take.
2) works very smooth even on my HTC trinity.
3) The ability to add ANY today plugin to the UI - which is an awesome feature.
4) customization is very easy
Cons and suggestions:
1) Full screen mode, since it basically replaces the taskbar.
2) Customization I don't know if it is easy to customize and whether there is a possibility for themes etc. This program definitely needs work on its design to compete with SPB mobile shell and ThrottleLaunhcer
3) Better design of the contacts page.
For now, It doesn't really replace the stability and extreme customizaation of ultimate Launcher, but it's very promising.
Enjoy

i just tested it. some comments:
-fast,
-no fullscreen,
-my screen flickers when a new page or something is drawn.
- not skinnable in any way, you can´t event change the wallpaper !
- doesnt work with Thumbcal.
- contacts scrollist flickers and is slow. they should take a look at pocketcm.
The look and feel overall isn´t my world, but thanks for posting. i

KamaL said:
this is definitely a very promising UI program - runs quite smooth on my HTC Trinity, where other programs like throttle launcher are sluggish.
I'll post it in the Development and Hacking forum, because it certainly needs more work and improvements, especially graphics, and the gurus are always there
Is is customizable? Can u skin it easily??
Here is the thread I started on the Development and Hacking forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2563834#post2563834
Best luck with it
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Thank you, KamaL,
it is nice to see that people like the software. I'm surprised how amazed are all of you .
At this moment, you just can change the color of the desktop. There is lot of work on the software and I'd like to spend as much time as I can on developing, but I also have to promote it and do some marketing.
I will implement background desktop images soon. I also would like to implement complete skinning ability, but it takes time.
The more people like it and want it the more motivation I have .
Thanks.
Lukas

Not bad, I think it will be good for those who would like to skin there own app. Just drag and place where you want. The bad is it is not that skinable meaning changing icons etc.
Seems like low memory usage, I notice some flicker in some screens as well. The good is you can access all phone functions with finger. No need for stylus. The scroll while not as good as others is better than using a stylus. No way to configure Menus.
For people looking for a software which is normally not supported by non standard screen resolutions this can be a option. I modified and set it up on my i780 320x320 screen in about 10 min or less.
Will keep my eye on it, but not sure if I would want to buy it just yet. Will wait to see what changes they will offer in the future development.

I tested it also :
- no fullscreen
- no calendar...for a today use...not so good
- no possibility to use third applications as link from today yrgo plugin
- no SMS threading like in pocketCM
- no help to understand way of working (multi desktop ?)
- not so fast
- very good design mode to change

bluemetalaxe said:
i just tested it. some comments:
-my screen flickers when a new page or something is drawn.
- doesnt work with Thumbcal.
- contacts scrollist flickers and is slow. they should take a look at pocketcm.
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Strange, I notice only a minor flicker while getting to te different menus, and nothing more.
also the contacts page is very smooth for me. my only complaint is the font size used - not the best one imo.
aragorn21 said:
I tested it also :
- no help to understand way of working (multi desktop ?)
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Hehe, I also had problems with this - simply use the DPAD left/right buttons to bowse through the 4 desktops.
I agree with all other suggestions - customization and use of 3rd party programs like thumbal is a MUST.

2daysoft said:
Thank you, KamaL,
it is nice to see that people like the software. I'm surprised how amazed are all of you .
At this moment, you just can change the color of the desktop. There is lot of work on the software and I'd like to spend as much time as I can on developing, but I also have to promote it and do some marketing.
I will implement background desktop images soon. I also would like to implement complete skinning ability, but it takes time.
The more people like it and want it the more motivation I have .
Thanks.
Lukas
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You're welcome.
As I said, check the thread I started in the Development and Hacking forum. Some experienced members already tested it and aready posted their quick reviews as I did. I suggest you keep an eye on that thread
Consider checking all major finger-friendly appz out there, especially PocketCm for optimizing your contacts and SMS gadgets, and UltimateLauncher and SPB mobile Shell for overall usage. If you can find a combination of all those programs' features while keeping the memory usage so low, I guess you'll get many good reviews. For now - there's lots of work to be done, and the members of this board are always ready to give feedback.
Good luck;
Kamal

I think your no1 priority is to make it fully skinnable. If it's skinnable, people will make skins for it and release it here, and there's no doubt that many people will consider buying your software!
I saw the video, it looks nice, but for me personally there's no chance to even try it unless I can skin it

I have a nice name for it
Cruid
It sounds kinda nice and mysterious in my opinion
Just a suggestion

[CAB] Opera Mobile 9.5.15202 WWE QVGA/VGA [Tweaked]

{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Features:
- Can be uninstalled
- Installs to SD/DEVICE
- Included Ad-blocking filter
- Default homepage set to Google
- Increased disk cache size to 20 MB
- Made the Zoom and Launch buttons 50% transparent
- Replaced the "htc" loading image with build 2392's image
- Fixed the "installation unsucessfull" problem on some devices by removing setup.dll and adding its functions to _setup.xml
Notes:
- Hardware keyboard is reportedly working on Touch Pro/HD but is buggy on Xperia and a few others.
- If you're upgrading from build 2XXX or 19XX,I suggest using this cab over the upgrade version (which just replaces the two Opera exes) as this build contains new features like Vibration and Strength Clicks, which needs the supporting registry entries to work properly. There are also a few minor changes in Opera.ini and other files. Also, a few SD version cabs posted here of earlier builds are buggy (incorrect paths of a few files/registries) so I recommend installing this version for a complete (cooking bugs free) experience.
- As always, please backup your existing Opera/device before installing.
- Tested on WM5 QVGA PPC. (200MHz, 42 MB)
A few interesting tweaks:
- To prevent Opera from continuing to run in the background even after you close it, change the value of this key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Opera\Preload
Name: RealExit
- For vibration support (untested)
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Opera\Defaults
Name: VibrationEnabled
\Windows\Opera9\Opera.ini tweaks:
- If you're not satisfied with the default zoom levels, tweak these values:
Code:
[Adaptive Zoom]
Maximum Zoom=
Minimum Zoom=
Minimum Overview Zoom=
- To increase the number of tabs, edit the value below:
Code:
[User Prefs]
Maximum Allowed Tabs=
FAQ:
1) Flash Support?
Flash isn't working. I've yet to fully try out all tricks though, but don't expect a Flash build anytime soon.​
2) Uninstall old version?
Not necessary. The installer should automatically remove any older builds.​
3) Difference between 15202 and 15086?
Nothing significant (aka bugfixes or N/A)​
4) Improvements in build 15XXX since 2XXX?
Better Performance (Reported, not measured)
Vibration Support (Not tested)
Strength Clicks (Double taps? Pressure taps? Not sure about this one.)
Scroll Wheel Zoom
5) Help! Opera's not installing / starting
Before installing, terminate Opera9.exe using a process manager such as in SKTools
A softreset before and after installing helps
Uninstall all existing versions, delete Opera files from \Application Data\, \Windows\, \Program Files\ and run a registry cleaner
If your device has less memory, softreset, then exit all background apps and thirdparty processes (MobileShell/Winterface/etc), compact memory heaps and try launching
Some devices may report an unsucessfull install, but try launching Opera and check if the new version was installed
Troubleshooting:
Please mention the following details:
Device/OS/software specs.
Clean or upgrade install. If upgraded, which was the earlier build, etc.
Which CAB(s) you tried
Credits:
Thanks to cityhunter71 for the 15202 dump and liay for the original 15086 cab.
Download:
Build 15202:
Storage Card Install: [QVGA] [VGA]
Device Install: [QVGA] [VGA]
Build 15086 for those who're interested:
[SD QVGA] [SD VGA]
[DEVICE QVGA] [DEVICE VGA]

thanks. im going to wait around for confirmed flash support tho.

you say youre trying to get support for flash.. does that mean it is a matter of updating the cabs again.. so shouldnt we potentially just wait til that happens?

idk why ppl are so concerned abut flash. First of all flash is flash lite and its a beta at that so its not ideal. neither is watching an embedded video in the browser. so i dont see much of a need for the big stink about having it at this point in time.
and i agree htctoucher, theres obviously a reason flash wasnt implemented any official Opera build yet on any device or their beta on their site- probably because Flash isnt ready, so i dont see why a half-baked beta flash lite build is so important to people.
Adobe is brining Flash 10 to mobiles shortly so im sure at some point Opera will officially support it
i think at this point having the best Opera build we can trumps flash by a mile. if people want a good way to do flash, skyfire is the best solution

dexter, thanks a lot for this update. Can you please upload only the Opera9.exe and OperaL.exe files for VGA? (and i'm sure QVGA will be useful for someone)
Thanks a lot.

klmsu19 said:
idk why ppl are so concerned abut flash. First of all flash is flash lite and its a beta at that so its not ideal. neither is watching an embedded video in the browser. so i dont see much of a need for the big stink about having it at this point in time.
and i agree htctoucher, theres obviously a reason flash wasnt implemented any official Opera build yet on any device or their beta on their site- probably because Flash isnt ready, so i dont see why a half-baked beta flash lite build is so important to people.
Adobe is brining Flash 10 to mobiles shortly so im sure at some point Opera will officially support it
i think at this point having the best Opera build we can trumps flash by a mile. if people want a good way to do flash, skyfire is the best solution
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i was about to say..... opera... since it released the beta , not the "leaked htc,sharp, samsung builds, that they will not enable plugins in the beta builds... this is common knowledge....
as for the flash lite..... it was working pretty good in older builds of opera, and was even working even better on Internet Explorer Mobile 6 from the released emulator images some released a .cab for.....
i dont see complete flash 10 support ever coming to window mobile, but i do note the announcement that they are "looking into" bringing flash 10 to mobile devices in November .. but flash i too much of a system resource hog atm..
as far as i know flash lite 3 is all there releasing any time soon
and all flash lite 3 really is , is like the early builds of flash version 9 on desktops... which only supported the FLV standard, and not newer builds that support MP4 and .mov streaming....
all in all, i dont think any decent version of flash will be available for windows mobile any time soon... it is a crippled out of date OS.... but i wont bash on Microsoft too much... one of the reasons the IPhoney doesn't have it on there is because it consumes to many system resources.... and apple doesn't just want flash lite, they want the full version of flash.... that wont happen any time soon eiter
---- end of rant

stathis95194 said:
dexter, thanks a lot for this update. Can you please upload only the Opera9.exe and OperaL.exe files for VGA? (and i'm sure QVGA will be useful for someone)
Thanks a lot.
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Updated exes have been posted by cityhunter71 over here.

vibrate function doesnt seem to be working.. i dont really see much improvement over 2808..
my main gripe with recent versions is that when you are typing in a box (like in xda) when your typing goes out of the screen the screen doesnt move to show you what you are typing.. really makes it inconvenient to type.. previous verdions used to do this
also.. typing is no where near as good as in browsers like netfront.. pcm suggestion barely works in opera while it is near flawless in netfront
i was looking forward to this being implemented again in newer builds.. but even in these havent seen it.. or are other people having different experiences?
would love to know if somehow i could enable this very wishful thinking..

htctoucher said:
my main gripe with recent versions is that when you are typing in a box (like in xda) when your typing goes out of the screen the screen doesnt move to show you what you are typing.. really makes it inconvenient to type..
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I hate this too, I'm online with my Diamond almost all the time and typing typing in forums is a pain because of this issue...

I installed this on my XV6850 (Verizon Touch Pro) w/ stock ROM. I used the full install (not the upgrade) because Opera was included in the original ROM. Couple of notes:
1. I installed the SD version, but it did not install on my memory card. I found the new files in the Windows folder on my device.
2. This seems to have totally hosed my Compact Qwerty touch keyboard. It only types numbers, no letters, not just within Opera, but also if I try to use it to compose messages.
3. This is not uninstallable.
4. I tried to install Build 2392 over this version, but Compact Qwerty still doesn't work.

I installed the VGA standard version over the 15086.
Again, this version on the end of installation gave me an uninstalled, but About reports version 15202
Also, it's not uninstallable.
I modified the number of max tabs in opera.ini but still I can only have 3 tabs. I found a file, opera1.ini, I rename it and now I can add more tabs...

htctoucher said:
my main gripe with recent versions is that when you are typing in a box (like in xda) when your typing goes out of the screen the screen doesnt move to show you what you are typing.. really makes it inconvenient to type.. previous verdions used to do this
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I know exactly what you're talking about, I noticed that problem on a number of previous builds. the funny thing is it only happens at xda!
but the way I setup my opera causes the text/reply field when zoomed to only fit the screen width. therefore I don't suffer from that. sometimes when I zoom in the reply field it's too big so I zoom out and zoom back on again. I have a VGA device:
I set my max zoom = 145, min zoom = 80 and in settings=> display I set font size to large.
this works for me and it has been working for me since 3 or 4 builds ago. I find that if I don't set font size to large it doesn't work. hopes this helps.
also.. typing is no where near as good as in browsers like netfront.. pcm suggestion barely works in opera while it is near flawless in netfront
i was looking forward to this being implemented again in newer builds.. but even in these havent seen it.. or are other people having different experiences?
would love to know if somehow i could enable this very wishful thinking..
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to tell you the truth, I hold opera 10 bars above netfront. to me opera is way more functional, I find it very frustrating to scroll and pan in netfront. I can tweak the hell out of opera, I remember when it just came out and didn't support wordwrap I was able to implement it myself through the CSS files. I don't use flash in my opera because it's a resource hog, videos auto play and causes the page to move really slow, it causes opera to act sporadic and crashes the browser.
if you're talking about the hardware keyboard problem try using a software keyboard, I use TouchPal. I haven't used my HK keys in almost a year now. I find that I type almost 2 times faster than I would on a hardware keyboard.
just my 10cents, looking back for my 8cents change.

onesolo said:
I installed the VGA standard version over the 15086.
Again, this version on the end of installation gave me an uninstalled, but About reports version 15202
Also, it's not uninstallable.
I modified the number of max tabs in opera.ini but still I can only have 3 tabs. I found a file, opera1.ini, I rename it and now I can add more tabs...
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this happens because you had a previous build that cannot be uninstalled, my guess is the 2545 build (yeah it got me too, I had to hard reset to get rid of it). and yes even though it says it was unsuccessful it still installed the major pieces, so technically you're running the new build so you shouldn't worry too much about that.

lennie said:
this happens because you had a previous build that cannot be uninstalled, my guess is the 2545 build (yeah it got me too, I had to hard reset to get rid of it). and yes even though it says it was unsuccessful it still installed the major pieces, so technically you're running the new build so you shouldn't worry too much about that.
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I had stock Opera on my Touch HD and also got the "installation unsuccessful" thingie.
No big deal except the fact that it didn't appear in the Remove programs list and can't be uninstalled.
So I would advise to copy \Windows\Opera9.exe, \Windows\OperaL.exe, \Windows\Opera9 folder and HKLM\Software\Opera somewhere to be able to roll back just in case.
Otherwise, it's an excellent build, blazing fast, properly rotates dialogs unlike 2808 and works just fine for me so far - thanks for posting this!

[deXter] said:
Vibration Support (Not tested)
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On Touch HD, when you tap a link or one of the corner fullscreen mode buttons (i.e. zoom and exit full screen), there's a short vibration to confirm. It still works in this build.
However, the stock HD version of Opera also used to vibrate on double tapping the screen to zoom in and out. In this build it doesn't. Not a big loss, just to point out what's going on.
[deXter] said:
Strength Clicks (Double taps? Pressure taps? Not sure about this
one.)
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My guess is that it's a threshold to either avoid accidental taps or to trigger mouseover event needed to open some dropdown menus. Something is definitely needed for the latter on some sites. Now you can imitate mouseover by tapping a link in the overview mode (something considered by many as a bug). Doesn't seem to work here.

Zooming with scroll wheel is not working on my polaris. Same as in all previus releases! Or do i have to change some reg-keys?

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d70bc95672875df0d2db6fb9a8902bda
alternate download for opera cabs 15086 and 15200

opera is really starting to P me off..
why are newer builds so much more jumpy? why does the screen not move with you when you type?
the first issue makes it a b**** to surf the internet cuz the screen wont move where you want it to move until the page has completely loaded which takes kind of a while after enough of it has loaded for you to want to pan!
come on opera! starting to wonder what they are focusing on...
really hope they bring back features that made this browser so easy to use from earlier builds..

htctoucher said:
opera is really starting to P me off..
why are newer builds so much more jumpy? why does the screen not move with you when you type?
the first issue makes it a b**** to surf the internet cuz the screen wont move where you want it to move until the page has completely loaded which takes kind of a while after enough of it has loaded for you to want to pan!
come on opera! starting to wonder what they are focusing on...
really hope they bring back features that made this browser so easy to use from earlier builds..
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I hear you on that. but usually I I can scroll and pan once the page is over 50% loaded.
keep in mind that this is not an easy job they're doing, and it's still in beta. when they implement new things in the CSS engine of course it's gonna break something, so they have to see what is broken then go over it and try to fix it. the 2808 build was loaded with CSS issues but this build seems to scour most of them away.
the reason why the page is jumping all over the place when you try to move it before the page is loaded is because opera is still interpreting the page.
I have no gripes with that,just let the page load over 50% or so before you try to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page . also try enabling smooth scrolling.

I have tried it. It is much fast than 2392.

[GAME] Cube 2005 running HW 3D Accelerated on my Diamond !

Hello guys, you must have meet me in other thread such as "OMG!!! i got quake 3 ce running on my Diamond !" and others-alike, so with no further delay i present you another hardware accelerated 3D FPS:
Cube 2005
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
(actual screenshots from my 1.93 stock Diamond ROM)
Installation procedures:
1- download Cube PPC from here: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/cube/cube_2004_05_22_pocketpc_bin_xscale_opengl_es.zip
2- download libgles_cl.zip from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415523 and extract the libgles_cl.dll wrapper to \Windows
3- make sure you enable TouchFlo (yes, it must be activated!)
Ain't got much time to test it, but you can read a more through review here: http://www.mobilitysite.com/boards/games/125311-all-your-cube-3d-questions-answered.html
Also many thanks to NuShrike who come up recently with the CL wrapper, whom without it, it would be impossible to have this running on our Diamonds (and probably on Raphael's too)
I've made a video and uploaded it to youtube, check it out (sorry about the non-focused image, my HP cam can't do better)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc3b9_CT2bw

iRiKi said:
Also many thanks to NuShrike who come up recently with the CL wrapper, whom without it, it would be impossible to have this running on our Diamonds (and probably on Raphael's too)
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Well, should run on the Kaiser too.
Does look better than your Heretic demo... I wonder why some works and some doesn't.

Never heard of this game before. Will have to look into this.
Thanks a lot.

Can´t extract, "File Corrupted or dammaged"

Hmm, good test of graphics once again. TF3D goes to Tap here to launch TouchFlo screen, and doesn't come out of it until a softreset.
EDIT: Ok, it seems Flip It (screen auto rotate utility) caused the glitch of TouchFlo.
However I can still run Cube with or without TouchFlo at same speeds, with same rendering and same FPS. Cube does, however give off different colours when you move around in the game.
Strange, your rendering in the youtube clip is near enough perfect, at least in comparison to mine.

I cant start the game with Cube.exe.. comes a error saying it cant be opened..
The ".DLL" file is suppose to go "Internmemory > Windows" or "/" > Windows"

Menu?
Ok ! seems to run ok on my touch diamond. but how do i change button config and access ingame menus?

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=ShCi7Jh61p0
touch diamond, touch flow on

is that the same file that makes cod2 run better as well?

Libgles_cl.dll is a fairly new discovery, it's libgles_cm.dll (the one used by CoD2) you're confusing it with.

gurkburk92 said:
I cant start the game with Cube.exe.. comes a error saying it cant be opened..
The ".DLL" file is suppose to go "Internmemory > Windows" or "/" > Windows"
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Trying again..

You know.. you would think somebody would write a BT keyboard and mouse driver so you guys can play these FPS naturally.

iRiKi why don't you tell us how unplayable is, especially when playing singleplayer mode (with bots)?
About 2-5 FPS when bots are near you. So totally unplayable.
+ textures are waxed (when moving, you can see through them or gets black)
Conclusion: no joy

this is an open.-source freeby from 2004 that never was updated, besides this game isn't even supposed to run on htc's, just axims, the funny part is recently someone came with a libgles_cl renderer which allowed us to actually run the game. it has some rendered bugs (black areas) which hopefully will help developers improving the wrapper.
now DSF, what have YOU done for the community (besides whinning) ?

THPS2, Quake 3 which also uses OpenGL ES CL/CM have low FPS. I really don't want to start again and again to make comparison between an old 2005 device and those HTC+Qualcomm devices
Okay... this will go offtopic but I have to write this.
With all those posts I actually help. I wish I could read about the performance of touch pro BEFORE buying it. But actually haven't found information about this, so I thought to myself, at least HTC has succeeded to bring good graphics performance. But.. that is false.
Reading your first post, one may think that this game is running good or very good. You haven't said anything about poor low frame rate, it's totally unplayable with bots. If we hide these "details" do you think we can resolve anything?
I will continue to post the truth about touch pro/diamond so :
1) people will know that there are very good alternatives to HTC+Qualcomm (eg: Omnia+Marvell)
2) HTC will try to improve/work on this area (though I don't think this will be happen . see the past htc class auction + the costumer interaction experience is extremely poor, they don't admit that those device have MULTIPLE problems, not only related to graphics but also to GPS, sound, drain, etc etc)
This should be announced to a large scale.
.. The problem is that many persons thanks their self with all those poor thingy... or they start to compromise.
- gps has lag, so what? at least I have GPS
- sound breaks? it's not an ipod, come on!
- crappy speackerphone/earpice? umm.. nothing is perfect
- sluggish UI experience? eeh.. it's a WM
- poor OpenGL performance? so what? at least it has hardware acceleration
- battery drains quickly? man it has a VGA screen and this beauty is fully packed! (even if you use one function at a time)
- ETC ETC
Some of us just find apologies for all these issues. Why? I mean WHY? We paid for every feature in the phone and it's not normal to perform (below) mediocre.. Another counter-replies for the real/palpable issues from *some* HTC fanboys are "get an iphone". This conception is so wrong.. Maybe they are thinking that are superior to the others because they use the PPC for business purpose lol. They said it like they want WM to be sluggish when coming to entertainment. WM is more than mail, internet, office dudes. It's a portable pocket PC. A PC in your pocket.
Let's try to be realistic. HTC ads new features and take n steps back in terms of functions quality. This is not normal, technology evolves, prices get low, more performance, device pieces become more reliable, devices become compact, etc etc... Unfortunately HTC+Qualcomm is not our case.. they add cheap features at a high price.
BTW iRiKi, I do appreciate your work, but we must say the WHOLE story.

im not a fanboy. i already said on other threads this is the last qualcomm device i'll ever buy. but i have another pda, the Qtek S100 (known as Magician) and i can compare the diamond with the magician, and tbh it's not as bad as ppl paint. the magician battery doesn't last 2 days as the diamond, and it's 1300 mah vs 900. the performance on cod2 software is awfull, and it has to draws 4 times less pixels than the diamond. iGo is also slow on the magician.
about the gps/sound/battery rants. sorry but you're offtopic here, wanna flame htc do it elsewhere
and yes, ill say it again, to clear your doubts as htc fanboy: the diamond was the first, and also the last qualcomm device i'll ever buy.
my sister wanted a new cell, and was unsure about 3 devices: the HD, the iPhone 3G and the Nokia N96. the only advice i gave was: dont buy the htc and choose from the other 2 cells. and that's what she did

But I haven't called you a fanboy.. I was talking about the users with "get an iphone" recomandations...

Well this are little offtopic but it are a good thing that iriki give us this tips about the 3d hw on div games that will bring ppl even closer too the perfect driver and on my touch pro il get around 12-15 fps in this game but yes it have gfx bugs but what so? atleast it prove that we can run in 3d hw! And maybe in the future will we even get better drivers for this devices. Still this is alot closer to perfect games in 3d hw on the htc phones and most ppl should know that this devices can do alot more if we just get the right driver..hopefully in the future! i had a nokia n95 before this phone and i can say i dont regret at all when i did buy this phone for sure and for a note the gps did lag also in n95..on my touch pro i havent seen any lag in garmin gps so far maybe on the diamond it are just to wait for better rom that fix alot bugs for me i use elite rom on my touch pro and can say the phone are damn fast

Iriki, I don't think DSF is being critical of you. I think he just loathes HTC for letting down its consumers once again, and so he's complaining that graphics still don't seem to be at an optimum.
Of course, you are looking at it in a more positive light, which is good.
I can however see where DSF is coming from. If we become too complacent/relaxed with HTC then they will keep getting away with it, like they did with the Kaiser and now Diamond. HTC should know that its customers want a driver update, that fully utilises the advertised Qualcomm/ATI Imageon 64MB graphics chip.

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+ textures are waxed (when moving, you can see through them or gets black)
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There's probably some things that need to be done in the wrapper that isn't being done at all right now. The Axim probably supported texture image formats the ATI doesn't, so have to write some code to convert that ...