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Profiles for Windows Mobile 2.0

Dear all,
I am glad to inform you that I have just released the brand new version 2 of Profiles for Windows Mobile.
Do not hesitate anymore! Follow the link below and see what is waiting for you!
http://www.winmobileapps.com/device/pocketpc/pwm/pwm.aspx
I am waiting already for your comments.

slvrbllt said:
Dear all,
I am glad to inform you that I have just released the brand new version 2 of Profiles for Windows Mobile.
Do not hesitate anymore! Follow the link below and see what is waiting for you!
http://www.winmobileapps.com/device/pocketpc/pwm/pwm.aspx
I am waiting already for your comments.
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Well i have been waiting on this! - thank you so much i will give my impressions in full later on. I use your older version all the time.
Cheers you deserve a beer and the 14.95 euros if i like it!
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Bahh, so many time for this, a shareware app...
And so many time to develop a new version and not even the inclusion to be able to choose new ring files from another path...
Sticking with PPCProfiles Pro 3.00a...

Review of Profiles for Windows Mobile 2.0
I have tried a number of different profilers and i like this one best because of a simple interface and low resource needs. It feels like its part of wm5 whilst the others always feel like addons and generally slow the device down.
Well i have tested the new version on my O2 orbit and first impressions are good.
- It has same interface and looks as 1.2 version but is enhanced
- Up to 9 profiles which is more than most of the competition.
- Vibration now works when selected under wm5.
- Bluetooth has discoverable option which is desirable.
- Ability to set profile including wifi on/off when roaming.
- Ringtones can now be selectable from the storage card\my documents folder
- Midi files can now be played as a ringtone
- Screen rotate feature useful for car profile
- Scheduler works well on my device and is a welcome addition
- No glitches or bugs on my device yet.
Wishlist
1. Backlight change with profile
2. GPRS on\off would be a welcome addon
3. Run program in a profile interface is too basic - file menu needed and the ability to use lnk's and not just exe's will make this more versatile.
4. Options interface to be wm5 style rather than old 2003 style and annoying popup of keyboard stopped
So i am certainly interested in buying this profiler and have a couple of questions.
Does the cost include future updates?
Does each device need a separate code? - i have a wizard and an orbit
Are any of the things on my wishlist in the pipeline?
There seemed to be no alpha or beta released (i often checked your forum) why not?
The program size has gone from 94kb to 340kb any possibilty of trimming to reduce size (sounds a contradiction looking at my wishlish) but ? more efficient coding or compression of dll's
Will there be more participation in the forum by yourself as in the past seems lacking and many of the users post not answered.
Thanks again and good work! I hope you take all my criticisms as constructive.

Well, a lot of things have happened in the last year that kept me away from my PC. One of these was the complete crash of my laptop, with a complete lost of all the sources... my last backup was 2 version older... PWM has been rewritten from scratch.
Let me reply to each and every point:
Wishlist - options 1..3 are on the way! I just needed to deliver something and test the user's reactions. I will keep on working on it, if it's worth to...
I don't get your point for wish #4... I'm sure you're going to wipe my doubts away...
Beta - There has been a Beta phase of course. And I posted a message here too, seeking for volunteers... got just one reply, and when it was to late, too.
Program Size - Unfortunately the increase in size is mostly due to images stored into the applet file's resources and the use of the ATL libraries for embedding WMP (sounds preview). I personally would get rid of the sounds preview, but its was one of the most wanted features...
Participation in forum - I'm actually spending several hrs a day in replying to the messages I get in several forums. It's 3:24 now and I'm still here... so my answer is YES! you will feel my presence amongst you!
Licensing: Each device need it's own license. In case of multiple licenses for the same owner, the price would be heavly reduced. License will surely be valid for all 2.x future releases. Whilst I still see room for improvements, I do not believe they will justify a version 3 or 4....
Criticisms are very welcome! I got no better way to improve myself...

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Well, a lot of things have happened in the last year that kept me away from my PC. One of these was the complete crash of my laptop, with a complete lost of all the sources... my last backup was 2 version older... PWM has been rewritten from scratch.
Let me reply to each and every point:
Wishlist - options 1..3 are on the way! I just needed to deliver something and test the user's reactions. I will keep on working on it, if it's worth to...
I don't get your point for wish #4... I'm sure you're going to wipe my doubts away...
Beta - There has been a Beta phase of course. And I posted a message here too, seeking for volunteers... got just one reply, and when it was to late, too.
Program Size - Unfortunately the increase in size is mostly due to images stored into the applet file's resources and the use of the ATL libraries for embedding WMP (sounds preview). I personally would get rid of the sounds preview, but its was one of the most wanted features...
Participation in forum - I'm actually spending several hrs a day in replying to the messages I get in several forums. It's 3:24 now and I'm still here... so my answer is YES! you will feel my presence amongst you!
Licensing: Each device need it's own license. In case of multiple licenses for the same owner, the price would be heavly reduced. License will surely be valid for all 2.x future releases. Whilst I still see room for improvements, I do not believe they will justify a version 3 or 4....
Criticisms are very welcome! I got no better way to improve myself...
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Thanks for that slvrbllt - sorry that i missed your beta request post - if it had been in the wizard forum i would have surely picked it up - I am happy to do any future testing.
Correct me if i am wrong but wm5 interface usually has keyboard central and 2003 to the right - no big deal - its just the keyboard popup thing that irritates - EDIT this is only on my artemis - on the wizard it has wm5 interface and no keyboard popup problem.
EDIT2 - problem is fixed on my artemis by unticking 'support wm5.0 soft-keys' exiting, opening and then ticking the box again.
Is it possible to do separate versions? - wm5 and 2003 - it may get round this bug.
I am glad 1 & 3 are in the pipeline and ? 2 not diff to impliment surely - if not I can use a lnk file to work this.
Well you have one customer sold.
btw i have noticed an occ duplicate notification from the scheduler and i will keep an eye on this. Please keep working on this its a great profiler!

Thanks meschle!
Got you listed on my customers spreadsheet... I'll do my best to move your name to the "very satisfied customers" column!
Maurizio.

slvrbllt,
do you plan to add auto PIN input during GSM turning is on?

intruders said:
slvrbllt,
do you plan to add auto PIN input during GSM turning is on?
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I don't think so. I mean, it's not a technical problem (can be easily done).
I can't see any difference between letting the PDA insert the PIN for you and disabling the PIN request on the SIM.
While I can see security related issues (PIN must be stored somewhere...)
I was testing another product some time ago, and decided to give the auto PIN feature a try. Unfortunately I keyed in the wrong PIN number. Before I realised that, my SIM was locked. To make things even worse, I could not find my PUK...
Now my new SIM does not ask for a PIN anymore.
Ciao!

Well, I tried the previous version of this program and also of PPC Profiles Pro... I liked them both, but at my I-Mate JAMin (and I don't know why) once installed I couldn't go anymore to the Sound & Notifications (or Phone) settings, because after doing that it none of them works ok no more... also it damages all of my default ringtones and I can't select anything else. Even after uninstalling the progs the problem of default ringtones continues So I decided to never use this king or programs again in my ppc...
(sorry for my poor english)

I've just got a T-Mobile MDA Vario II, and i found your profiles program and it does the job perfectly, i love the simple today plugin, just what i was looking for. I like the apps i use to have the default windows look and feel and WPM certainly has that.
I have just placed my order, i look forward to receiveing my license
Nic

meschle said:
- Ringtones can now be selectable from the storage card\my documents folder
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How are we able to select from Storage card, from the drop down list in the selectable tones are only showing the ones within Windows directory.

WM 6.1/6.5 version coming?
do you plan to release version that supports newer Windows Mobile versions?
This program is something I miss bad from the Nokia S60 world. I still can't believe it is not part of the core OS.

Great Soft CNetX Face Contacts v1.0

I want to share this application to manage contacts is a demonstration version, it is really interesting and very fluid, it can display its contacts with photos or icons page of today and navigate shift
Je désire partager cette application pour gérer les contacts c'est une version démonstration, il est vraiment intéressant et très fluide, il permet d'afficher ses contacts en photos ou en icônes en page d'aujourd'hui et de naviguer en glissement
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thanks again , .. einstein (albert) is my friend lol
sorry for my bad english( google translate)

good program
i will test it
thanks

Interesting ..
I've saw this app on Handago, and thought about giving it a try, but I'm in love with pocketcm. But I'm interested to know who much ram this thing takes, if and when someone uses this app?

hmm... I'm using PocketCM which I love, but I'd like something to give me quick access to certain contacts from the today screen (speed dial). This might be a little more than I'm looking for.

robosiris said:
I've saw this app on Handago, and thought about giving it a try, but I'm in love with pocketcm. But I'm interested to know who much ram this thing takes, if and when someone uses this app?
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I am using it and its about 1mb of memory and I think the CAB is only about 500kb

iggy said:
I am using it and its about 1mb of memory and I think the CAB is only about 500kb
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Does it require flash?? I noticed on the website it said something about that.
Thanks,
Curious G

no flash.lite...

No Flash involved. The memory used depends on the resolution of your device as we do some caching here and there to keep the animation smooth.
The binary that does all the work is about 200kb (the file is larger but most of it are graphic resources). On a 240x320 device caching should take an additional 140kb (but it can be reduced if you disable the reflection effect).
Some additional memory may be taken by Outlook Mobile when you interact with dialog boxes to Edit contacts, select contacts and so on.
Please let us know if you have any feedback.
BTW: the bad news is that after months of work, we released this yesterday, and, guess what, it's already been cracked. So while were planning to add some further features soon (such as the ability to instantly filter contacts by category via the right softkey in the Today screen), we may give up all this for the time being and literally WASTE time making it more for difficult to crack (which of course will also make the software larger and slower).
It's a very stupid world sometime...

This looks like a nice app. I can't seem to find the cab file. I am on my Treo. Could someone pls post the cab file. G8ly appreciated

Just visit www.cnetx.com using your Treo, visit the download page and it will automatically download the CAB file for you.
BTW: the CAB file is signed with a Microsoft M2M security certificate, so the process should be pretty smooth indeed.
Enjoy.

I installed it on my CDMA vogue/touch and I *really* like it so far. I have it inside my ultimatelaunch UI and its working great.
Couple points:
-the cracking thing sucks, but all software gets cracked. Its a fact of life. When it comes to PPC software, if I like it, I'll buy it. Most here on this forum will too. I like to support the community. I wouldn't be that disheartened.
-Features I'd like
1) automatically import my all my contacts or contact groups. It would be much faster than adding 1 by 1.
2) ability to resize the picture. The size it is now is okay, but I wanted to make it a bit bigger, although that might distort the picture I guess
3) maybe have multiple rows. If you have a few dozen contacts, you won't be able to see them (they will be "stacked" in the corner so-to-speak). I would like to be able to maybe put a dozen in one row, a dozen in the next (or however many I want per row) and so on.
If I don't find any bugs and I like it, I WILL buy it. Your price is fair.
Matt

1 - Install Cnetx face without serial
2 - In today, remove plug-in
3 - soft reset
4 - Copy dll and paste on windows folder (replace)
5 - run Cnetx face
unlock using 11111111111111
link for programe + crack
enjoy
WAREZ not permitted here you've been warned.

Torayem said:
1 - Install Cnetx face without serial
2 - In today, remove plug-in
3 - soft reset
4 - Copy dll and paste on windows folder (replace)
5 - run Cnetx face
enjoy
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NO WAREZ please remove link

Torayem said:
1 - Install Cnetx face without serial
2 - In today, remove plug-in
3 - soft reset
4 - Copy dll and paste on windows folder (replace)
5 - run Cnetx face
unlock using 11111111111111
link for programe + crack
enjoy
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For Pete's sake, give me a f***ing break. This is the reason why developers are decreasing by the hour. It's a shame. Hackers have been cracking apps for the longest, but scammers have even gone so far as to take what developers here created (for free, including ROM's), and selling them on ebay. I'm not even a developer (or cook) of any kind, just a avid supporter, and it pisses me off.
Sorry, I had to vent when I saw this.

how signal to moderator??

Hey Matt,
thanks for your positive comments and your suggestions for future improvements.
Actually as I mentioned in my earlier post, one of the things we have in mind is to add support for contact categories, and this could indeed include adding contacts by category (or by "All Categories"). This should increase "usability", which as you can probably see was one of our main concern during development.
A nice looking UI is simply useless if not effective at accessing information. And most photo dialers or FAV apps fall short exactly in this area. With most of those apps, once you add more than a handful of contacts you simply get lost, because they lack indexing, sorting, direct access to contacts by initial and so on. And then you have to access a separate application and UI to make any little change to your contacts.
That's why, together with the 3D interface, we also focused on sorting, and indexing, or jumping to a contact by simply pressing the corresponding letter on the thumbboard or software panel, and making sure that all kinds of contact management tasks could be performed directly from Face Contact.
As for the size of pictures, actually, we already have support for that, as we handle different screen sizes and resolutions (so internally we are able to cope with different dimensions). But we don't expose any method to let the user resize the interface, which indeed could be another improvement.
Last but not least, as for the guy who just posted the crack here, I don't know exactly what the rules are here at "xda-DEVELOPERS", but I have a feeling he probably did it on purpose after reading my comments of how "stupid" all this is.
To put the whole thing in perspective, I'll say that seeing your own worked cracked hours after it's released, tells you that you probably released something good, or nobody would have bothered.
The stupidity is that, as it is now, something between 5% and 10% of the size of the binaries is probably code dealing with the registration, encrypting keys, supporting a black list to disable keys to are made public, and so on. Which is completely useless stuff.
And it took hours to crack anyway.
The idea of spending more time developing more useless stuff (to make the software more difficult to crack) simply make me sick. And I know, someone at the end will still crack it after a while, and in the meantime the binaries will be larger and slower, because of all this useless stuff.
And you never end.
So, as far as we are concerned, instead then focusing on developing features, we waste time on such useless stuff, trying to make the life of whoever is cracking more difficult. Which means that the cracker himself will also waste more time to succeed at cracking, instead than using his time and abilities to do anything useful. And so on and on and on.
And in the meantime, as a byproduct, the software itself gets larger, slower and full of useless stuff.
That's exactly how stupid it is.

im using the trial
the only request or thing thatd keep me from buying it is
1. it starts at one and not "centered"
2. it doesnt have an option to revolve
3. there isnt an option to hide the name or set it as name only... meaning no (h) (m) or (txt)
these are all simple fixes im sure, if these options could be added, im sure many users besides myself would love and purchase it.
great job guys, keep up the good work

I'm pretty sure that user will get banned as it's xdas policy not to allow warez. too bad for that user.
Looks like a nice app... but i don't have that many contacts with pictures. Would be great for someone that does though i bet.

ROCOAFZ said:
I'm pretty sure that user will get banned as it's xdas policy not to allow warez. too bad for that user.
Looks like a nice app... but i don't have that many contacts with pictures. Would be great for someone that does though i bet.
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it comes with icons and the option to choose a cropped picture of your choice.... its quite cool... especially if they allow it to revolve!

Hey Michael,
thanks for your feedback.
I'm not sure I understood everything you suggest though:
1) yes, at startup, or after a soft reset, it shows the beginning of the list, but thereafter it simply stays wherever you leave it... so if you leave it on a contat at the center of the list, it will remain there, until you move to a different contact, and so on... I'm afraid I don't understand what you are suggesting...
Or do you mean "centered within the today screen"?
If the latter is the issue simply go to the Contact Manager and then Menu > Display Options, and check the "Hide plugin icon" options... this will make it "centered".
2) By revolve, do you mean start all over when you are at the end of the list?
If this is the case, actually we considered this (and as you suggest it should be pretty easy to implement). The point is that it may get "confusing", because you could be missing a contact and simply go through the list again and again without even realizing. Also, if contacts are sorted, seeing "A" after "Z" could also be a little puzzling.
Anyway, if this is what you meant, we'll experiment and see if it actually makes sense without becoming distracting (as I said it is something that we were considering to at the beginning of development).
By the way, are you aware that you can instantly jump to the beginning or end of the list by pressing an appropriate key (on your thumbboard or software input panel)?
3) this is indeed easy... and as I think of it now, I understand that there are actually some people who don't have their "work contacts" on the phone, and only have "friends and family"... so indeed, as you suggest, the option of displaying only the name should be given.
I have some concern though on hiding completely the caption... as this would also remove the Index-Tracking letter while scrolling, which I believe is quite helpful if you have many contacts, as it tells you where you are in the list while scrolling.
The same applies the (m), (h), etc. which is meant to give you a clue of the number called if you simply hit the START CALL key of your phone... which is the quickest and easiest way to place a call with Face Contact....
So it seems quite important to know in advance what number is going to be called., huh?
But nevertheless, as you said, all such things could be just "options": we could set the "default" at the same settings we have now, and then give each user the ability to change them as preferred.
So thanks for your feedback.

Throttle Vs. SPB Shell Vs. WAD Vs. PointUI

OK So I have tried all of these and I have a few issues with each of them because they are all see to be missing something. I have rated them and I was wondering what you guys take is on them. Here we go.
Throttle:
- Finger Friendly: Yes
- Overall Rating - 7.5
- Visual Rating - 8.5
- Speed - 7.0
Throttle is cool but as far as space on you device is concerned it can fill it with a lot of short cuts and make it look very cluttered. it can also run slow on different devices and can be hassle for others who like a clean and quick running machine.
WAD:
- Finger Friendly: No
- Overall Rating - 8.0
- Visual Rating - 8.0
- Speed - 6.0
WAD was actually pretty cool. I downloaded it and played around with the Vista skin that was featured in this forum. I did find that WAD was very complicated to get the themes to work and there was not much help on the Lakeridge forums when I had questions and issues with it showing the wrong thing. Also when switching from landscape to portrait was a hassle and took a good long amount of time. Visually it was nice but many areas were hard to click on due to size of fingers and links.
Point UI:
- Finger Friendly: Yes
- Overall Rating - 9.0
- Visual Rating - 10
- Speed - 9.0
Point UI was a great program to use. Very fast. Plenty of options and allowed for control of sounds, comm manager, and finger scrolling. I greatly enjoyed this program. One Problem was it was not Alt Tab friendly nor were you able to make your own short cuts to help get to programs faster. I was very pleased with the speed and animation and highly recommend this.
SPB Mobile Shell:
- Finger Friendly: Yes
- Overall Rating - 9.5
- Visual Rating - 9.5
- Speed - 10
After all the programs I always seem to be going back to SPB Mobile Shell. the fact that is is finger friendly and highly customizable make it so much fun to use. Also the visually the effects are amazing as well as being easy to navigate. it is very fast and with its integration with SPB Phone suite it can allow to change sound volume and hopefully soon enable the comm manager from SPB Phone.
Now that I have that out of the way for now I am wondering what you think? Which is the best, easiest to customize, visually beautiful, and fun to use. Let me know? I am looking for something that will incorporate well.

WAD2 is the best..with WAD2 you can create the other design of the programs which you have mention for sure

JukEboXAuDiO said:
OK So I have tried all of these and I have a few issues with each of them because they are all see to be missing something. I have rated them and I was wondering what you guys take is on them. Here we go.
Throttle:
- Finger Friendly: Yes
- Overall Rating - 7.5
- Visual Rating - 8.5
- Speed - 7.0
Throttle is cool but as far as space on you device is concerned it can fill it with a lot of short cuts and make it look very cluttered. it can also run slow on different devices and can be hassle for others who like a clean and quick running machine.
WAD:
- Finger Friendly: No
- Overall Rating - 8.0
- Visual Rating - 8.0
- Speed - 6.0
WAD was actually pretty cool. I downloaded it and played around with the Vista skin that was featured in this forum. I did find that WAD was very complicated to get the themes to work and there was not much help on the Lakeridge forums when I had questions and issues with it showing the wrong thing. Also when switching from landscape to portrait was a hassle and took a good long amount of time. Visually it was nice but many areas were hard to click on due to size of fingers and links.
Point UI:
- Finger Friendly: Yes
- Overall Rating - 9.0
- Visual Rating - 10
- Speed - 9.0
Point UI was a great program to use. Very fast. Plenty of options and allowed for control of sounds, comm manager, and finger scrolling. I greatly enjoyed this program. One Problem was it was not Alt Tab friendly nor were you able to make your own short cuts to help get to programs faster. I was very pleased with the speed and animation and highly recommend this.
SPB Mobile Shell:
- Finger Friendly: Yes
- Overall Rating - 9.5
- Visual Rating - 9.5
- Speed - 10
After all the programs I always seem to be going back to SPB Mobile Shell. the fact that is is finger friendly and highly customizable make it so much fun to use. Also the visually the effects are amazing as well as being easy to navigate. it is very fast and with its integration with SPB Phone suite it can allow to change sound volume and hopefully soon enable the comm manager from SPB Phone.
Now that I have that out of the way for now I am wondering what you think? Which is the best, easiest to customize, visually beautiful, and fun to use. Let me know? I am looking for something that will incorporate well.
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What is your number scale based on? Meaning, you have to have to extremes that you consider amazing (10) and really bad (1 or 0 depending whether it is 0-10 or 1-10). Please consider two things when making a post like this one:
a) While it might be usefull for noobs, you want to be as clear as possible as to what your selection criteria was. Otherwise, you will end up causing more questions than answers.
b)Even though "Development and hacking" might be the best place to put this kind of thread (due mainly to exposure), I think that you should have posted this in the "General" section.
I know that you had good intentions trying to share your personal experiences with the rest of the community, which is why I am advising you to first check if another thread of this kind already exists (I have seen quite a few comparing virtually everything in this site). Maybe the person who started the other thread asking this exact same question is still waiting for an answer on his own post (and will not bother to check for new threads).
Besides, keeping new threads to a minimum makes the devs happy (and keeps CG away )

SPB Mobile Shell: (loved this, BUT battery draining issue). Also, the flexibility to mods the layout to suit my taste.
- Finger Friendly: Yes
- Overall Rating - 9.5
- Visual Rating - 9.5
- Speed - 10
Point UI: (tested (early version) it, but removed because of so many bugs)
- Finger Friendly: Yes
- Overall Rating - 9.0
- Visual Rating - 10
- Speed - 9.0
WAD: (great for non-touch WM based smartphone)
- Finger Friendly: No
- Overall Rating - 8.0
- Visual Rating - 8.0
- Speed - 6.0
Throttle: (have not test it, so couldn't give feedback)
- Finger Friendly: Yes
- Overall Rating - 7.5
- Visual Rating - 8.5
- Speed - 7.0

I'd add Ultimate Launcher to this comparison....

I hate SPB Mobile Shell for the simple fact that its program list only lists 9 at a time and I have to press next repeatedly to get the U and Z. Haven't found a way around that. I know it has some frequently used shortcuts but when I suddently want to use something, I don't want to press Next like 10 times to use it. I like everthing else about SPB Mobile Shell but that one problem makes me uninstall it.
PointUI is better because the prog list is scrollable and beautiful. So if I want the Z, I'll just have to swipe my thumb once or twice and it will vroom-vroom to the bottom part of the prog list. In fact, I'm currently using PointUI on my phone with Wisbar Advance (my own TuiFone theme with a "secret" close button ). For those who used 1.02b and earlier, there is a new 1.5a which is much better and less buggy!!!
WAD is confusing to set up and customize. Wisbar Advance (WA) is better in term of user-friendliness.
Throttle is slow on my device.

JukEboXAuDiO said:
OK So I have tried all of these and I have a few issues with each of them because they are all see to be missing something. I have rated them and I was wondering what you guys take is on them. Here we go.
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First of all thanks for including my app on a list with such awesome apps . Also I think you've forgoten (may be you haven't tried them jet) other really cool apps like UltimateLaunch or rltoday. For the apps you've included I'm almost with you in all your apreciations, but here's why I started developing ThrottleLauncher 6 months ago:
- PointUI: awesome but too fixed imo (at least the version I tested then). I don't know if it's possible now but it's not configurable at all.
- WAD: you have to pay for it so I haven't tested it.
- SPB MS: you have to pay for it. It looks really nice though.
- UltimateLauncher: I didn't knew this app six months ago... probably I will have had many doubts to start Throttle's development if I have seen it before . The drawback for me is that it's not completly free and that it's l&k configuration is limited to icons and animations.
- Rltoday: fully configurable (but complex) and it's functionality is too mixed with mortscripts (wich by the way is other really nice peace of soft)
As the first user of throttle is me I've designed it to match my needs so I will not do any comments other than there's still lot's of things to do.
Hope this other point of view is helpfull for people to choose it's XDA engine .

APBilbo said:
First of all thanks for including my app on a list with such awesome apps . ....
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I will like to add few things:
MS: to much finger friendly.. i dont want to swipe or click next for like 10 times.. also its not that much customizable.. because of xda we have so many themes and skins.. but it is still PITA to customize it.. and its very costly .. atleast for me.. i think in general also.. ($30 is a lot of amount.. especially when you have already purchased pocket plus.. )
pointui and wad: never used them.. cant comment
RLtoday: first program which i used.. loved it and still love it.. have it incorporated in UL.. you have to make your own skins via xml... that can be learned in like 4 days.. only problem is you have to place icons by co-ordinates.. it does not automatically place them.. so you have to be sure where you want to put your icon and that means lot of trial and error.. but once you get hang of it.. you can do some amazing work..
UL: my current launcher.. provides you with everthing.. cube, sliding animation on today.. complete customization.. ...negative points will be only icons type used is .ico and you have to take care of size.. also you cant use UL all by itself.. UL is more dependent on other plugins to make it work better.. best used with RLtoday, Pocket plus and Vijay555 tools IMO (my setup uses these three)
Throttle: used its 0.5 and 0.6 version. Lot of potential in the app.. 0.9 version is very good.. installed it but still using default theme as dont have time to work on a new one.. picture thumbnail view is awesome and something new.. it is also a complete package.. inbuilt photo contact, system shortcuts, running programs, task manager... much more than any other single app but i think because of that memory and speed issues are there.. waiting for apbilbo to reach his target of ver 1.0 and then hope to see some major code changes which can make it run faster my gene .. .. or may be it will be much more faster when 1.0 is released... (no pressure alfonso.. )
personally i dont mind memory cause after this you dont need anything.. but speed is a issue..

I'm a WAD user. And I personally think that WAD has potential. It is a great software. Its flexibility is the best. The skinning thing is fabulous! But sometimes it cost a lot of time.
I can give WAD a full mark, but I won't. Its HUGE memory consume is its largest drawback, d'oh! I'm still using this software though
Waiting for WAD2! I think it's animated, and gesture enable...

Where is iFonz in your test??????

WAD2 has animation gestures, in fact I have tryed every beta (WAD2 beta 1 to 6) and they are really cool, try them!!
UL is another very good choice, but not as customizable as WAD2.

Agreed,
as I have mentioned before, WAD flexibility is the best! And if I may say, WAD is finger-friendly if you want it to be finger friendly, hahaha
here's for example, I made this as my programs launcher on WAD
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
And yess, I believe WAD2 is going to be kickass

I have used mobile shell, ultimate launch and pointUI. Now I settle with pointUI after the new version is out.
I never liked the way mobile shell works, always uninstalled before the trial is over, even when I used the pointUI theme.
The old pointUI is too buggy that I have to soft reset way too often that's when I started using ultimate launch. However like someone else pointedout ultimate launch depends heavily on other plug in to look nice.
Then recently after new pointui was launched I started using again. There is only few complaint, which is because I don't use my phone for email or message at all and I can't replace those for anything, and occasionally the scroll won't work which I can always use the D-pad. Other than that this is perfect, works beautifully with open touch 4.0 lite black rom. To me poiintui is the way to go.

To each his own on which UI is better. I've tried them all and they all have there good / bad points so this debate could go on forever. I'm sure this question will be asked a million times more and then when WM7, Android come out, we will start over.
* MS2.0 is what I currently use *

Cool article, will definitely link to it in my next, related article!

Menneisyys said:
Cool article, will definitely link to it in my next, related article!
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Thanks. I try. I am a stickler for making my stuff banging. At the moment aI am using hte prerelease version of the MS Carbon skin and I love it with the 3 tabs. ALong with S2U2, S2p, S2V, and some other great stuff.

WAD is my favorite out of everything I've tried. I'm loving the flexibility of the skins

for me the best applications are:
about today plugin :
1 Ultimate Launch
2) Battery Status and rlToday
iphone like:
1) iFonz ( very easy to customize)
2) Itask (very beautiful but it seems developpment is stopped now), not easy to customize but reall we can do many things
3) PointUi (not easy/nearly nothing to customize)
4)Throttle Launcher (not used , seems to be complex and not working for all on my P3600, even if I like the concept)
Video appli :
1)TCPMP (work perfectly on my P3600)
Others:
A_c's suite (S2U2,S2P, S2V)
Background applis:
- elias killer appli
- shantz today theme changer
I had another application tobe able to have 9 different desk but it doesn't work anymore (probably after instally BatteryStatus) it is V2R Multidesk : if I had not this problem it will be the best plugin but not now anymore (it is the only commercial program I have)
Cheers

ssj5trunks said:
Where is iFonz in your test??????
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iFonz is what I currently use right now, I have tried Mobile Shell, and some other ones, but I like iFonz because it has animations for when you are opening a program, and is very iphone like (almost exact copy). I only wish that it would use less RAM, as with the Mogul, if i try to open Opera 9.5 while iFonz is running (to use my iphone web browser) it will close iFonz, since it runs out of RAM, this will probably not be a problem on a future device with more RAM (like Touch/Tilt)but for my use with my sprint mogul, it is the only downside i see to ifonz.

PointUI 1.51a is honestly one of the coolest UI's out there. I love it because of its simplicity and the fact that it just works. It could use customizations (like wallpaper) but it still looks sharp and runs awesome with my HTC Touch. I use s2p and s2u2 with it and they work very well hand in hand. One minor issue with pointui is the Red Button on the htc touch takes you to the windows home screen, but a simple mort script eliminated this issue. The best part of pointui is the speed. The new contact list is far superior. Now if only they would give you the option to reverse the scroll direction...

Project: Manila 3d porting - STILL IN DEVELOPMENT READ FIRST POST

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Progress on this project has almost completely stalled and further progress has been near impossible over the chatter from non developers. I do not wish to go much further into this, but if there is any further development it will be through other communications systems other than forum.xda-developers.com and releases will not be available to non developers untill code is complete.
Leaving this thread open is waste of all of the developers involveds time. if you have the cab and need any answers they ARE within this thread.
MOD EDIT: For historical Purposes I have edit this thread to preserve it's historical context.
THERE ARE SOME IMPORTANT FACTS IN THIS FIRST THREAD - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU ASK QUESTIONS
POWER DOWN DOES NOT WORK while TF3d IS LOADED. There is no fix for this, just a work around. read the rest of this first post for answers
SOFTWARE DRIVERS CAUSE WHITE SQUARES - this is due to the lack of ATI texture support - there is no fix, its by design
CONFIRMED WORKING DEVICES:
KS20, POLARIS, NIKE, KAISER, Imate ultimate 8502.
Things you need to know before you continue:
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You need WORKING OpenGL ES drivers. these can be software or hardware based, hardware being a lot faster. Omnia3D drivers WILL NOT HELP since they are Direct3D not OpenGL.
Software Drivers (best for old devices but cause white squares):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=121298&d=1223892257 (not the best - looking for better - These drivers will give you functionality but not perfect rendering)
Kaiser/Polaris/Nike Drivers:
http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php#update_20081009_1
IT IS NOT FINISHED - it is not ready for a day to day phone. dont expect to be able to use your phone properly while it is enabled. Soft resets will be needed often while it is enabled. Use the Today/Items control panel to disable it when you are not testing.
Its CPU & resource intensive. Its got high system specs, higher than most pre-kaiser era phone can handle easily, takes an age to install or uninstall and will slow most phones down to a crawl. It also is a huge battery drain and due to the power bugs its almost impossible to even charge the phone while its enabled.
If you find your phone a bit sluggish without TF3D, its probably not worth installing.
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Update 12: Direct from Chainfire:
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Third release
Here's the third public release. This is pretty much a maintenance release, wrapping some stuff up, nothing really new. See the changelog.
Changelog
- Graphics Fixed dotted line image (white dot top-left of the text on the home tab) (EDIT: Read fixed == removed!)
- Graphics Fixed incorrectly scaled globe on the internet tab (looks much better now )
- ToggleManila Fixed the shortcut for non-English devices
- CAB Broke the CAB into two: base files in English-US and additional language pack. This because the non-english language files take about 3 MB of storage space, but more importantly, are spread out over 484 files (which is almost half of all manila files). This split will make (un)installation much faster as well as have less impact on your phone's performance when not running TF3D (and it's not cooked in). If you are not running an English / US / WWE ROM and still want your language, get the language pack as well. The base CAB, installed, is now 8 MB, from 17 MB originally.
Download
*download removed*
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issues and work arounds
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White squares: Images appearing as white squares is due to non support of ATC textures - this can be caused by a non ATI graphics driver - either an nvidia one (intel used ati i beleive) or software based ones. This is an IP issue more than anything else, and not something that we as developers can easily fix. since the majority of HTC devices either have no 3d or ATI based 3d and this app requires 3d, we will spend our time on ATI based 3d. so the fix for white squares? unfortuantly, the most likely is new device! if you are lucky and youre device isnt very old, u MAY get new drivers - but this is NOT the thread for discussing it
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- POWER DOWN ISSUES: the current HTC-CA drivers for pretty much all devices have an issue with powering down. TF3D is one app that is effected by this issue, but because of its always on-ness - is more visibile than other apps - which tend to be 3d games - which the device doesnt sleep on. the only fix for this is to have TF3D unloaded when u want to sleep. this is not elegant but until this issue is resolved (and its proving to be a tricky one) it is the only solution. To make life easier, there is an app included in the TF3D cab called 'togglemanila' - this can be bound to a hardware button in control panel. this means u have to press two buttons to power down instead of the usual one (and its also worth disabling power saving) - but thats the cost of using beta applications and beta drivers.
+ Progress on this project has almost completely stalled and further progress has been near impossible over the chatter from non developers. I do not wish to go much further into this, but if there is any further development it will be through other communications systems other than forum.xda-developers.com and releases will not be available to non developers untill code is complete.
- Broken images tab or broken music tab: ensure you have diamond album and diamond audio manager installed.
+ Leaving this thread open is waste of all of the developers involveds time. if you have the cab and need any answers they ARE within this thread.

I'm willing to help with the xml coding.
It would be nice to have 3D working like 2D.

before pursuing further with the project, a good question may be, how does this differ from Manilla2D? are the differences big enough?

nuke1 said:
before pursuing further with the project, a good question may be, how does this differ from Manilla2D? are the differences big enough?
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Let's see.
Off the top of my head, vertical scrolling, full weather animations, animated digital clock, ability to create more tabs (they have for the VGA version anyway), animated people tab, etc.
It's worth it.

blazingwolf said:
Let's see.
Off the top of my head, vertical scrolling, full weather animations, animated digital clock, ability to create more tabs (they have for the VGA version anyway), animated people tab, etc.
It's worth it.
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It seems 3d has that arrow on the home screen that makes the clock smaller and shows at least two up coming appointments, which is better then one.
It may also open the ability to change this entirely which doesn't yet seem possible on 2d.
I just can't use something that doesn't show vmail count, or more then one appointment. Along with the whole restarting...

blazingwolf said:
Let's see.
Off the top of my head, vertical scrolling, full weather animations, animated digital clock, ability to create more tabs (they have for the VGA version anyway), animated people tab, etc.
It's worth it.
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Animated envelope too? Also this launch program would be good. I would like to help too
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

CraZyLiLbOy said:
Animated envelope too? Also this launch program would be good. I would like to help too
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Not sure that has anything to do with TF3D. I believe it is a separate program.

blazingwolf said:
Not sure that has anything to do with TF3D. I believe it is a separate program.
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Of course it does. That launch program popups when you touch the "All Program" in the programs tab

CraZyLiLbOy said:
Of course it does. That launch program popups when you touch the "All Program" in the programs tab
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Ahh, missed that.

brilliant - glad to see weve got some people as keen as myself.
the first thing we need to do is chose a base to work on. now the beta versions run already. very nicely too... but they arent finished version - so thats probably a no go. the diamond version installs but refuses to run - and we havent sussed out why yet. that really should be our first port of call. it would be good if someone out there has an older phone, pre-diamond - that has proper 3d support and wm6.1 - that could try the diamond cabs - and report on how far manila gets. Im not sure off the top of my head what a good device would be. the main issue at the moment is that the HTCCA drivers are not full implimentations - so the reason it doesnt start could be related to that amongst many other things - to scrub that one off the list would be a good start.

Unfortunately, that would not be my phone.

blazingwolf said:
Unfortunately, that would not be my phone.
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actually...thinking about it - thats almost any phone - for a 3d implimentation to be full doesnt need to be hardware - the openglcs_es.dll or whatever it was from the early manila 3d working betas is a fairly complete 3d implimentation - we should start by using that.

Just a suggestion,
I think that Manila3D has device limitation you should remove this first, to make it work on other VGA devices like Athena and Universal, after that you may start editing resources and scripts to make it qvga compatible

xplode said:
Just a suggestion,
I think that Manila3D has device limitation you should remove this first, to make it work on other VGA devices like Athena and Universal, after that you may start editing resources and scripts to make it qvga compatible
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Agree..better try to make VGA version first and if it is possible to run on other devices already..QVGA version can be start after that..will be more easier

I show my full support for this project as I will use this in my ROM all the time if it gets completely....2D is nothing like 3D which I really want

xplode said:
Just a suggestion,
I think that Manila3D has device limitation you should remove this first, to make it work on other VGA devices like Athena and Universal, after that you may start editing resources and scripts to make it qvga compatible
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is this not exactly what i wrote in the first post?
we need to get it to run first - that could be a device limitation or it could simply be a dependancy issue. to really find out, some form of debugging tool would be helpful - i know what kinda tool id like - something like snoopdos from my amiga days - something that shows every dll an app tries to load - and which are succesful - this would prove or disprove the dependancy issue.
there are rumours of manila.exe looking at the nk.rom files - this maybe to check device or it maybe to load an embedded dll or similar.

something that might help with this.......
only rumour so far i believe, but the Verizon version of the diamond has the exact same specs as the htc touch (vogue, 400mhz, etc). sooooo i believe this will be possible for slower devices. of course IF that is true and it comes out, then it should be fairly easy to port to older VGA devices (as already stated), then work on QVGA.
the only thing this will do is make it easier to port, if it is in fact true.

jakub_w said:
something that might help with this.......
only rumour so far i believe, but the Verizon version of the diamond has the exact same specs as the htc touch (vogue, 400mhz, etc). sooooo i believe this will be possible for slower devices. of course IF that is true and it comes out, then it should be fairly easy to port to older VGA devices (as already stated), then work on QVGA.
the only thing this will do is make it easier to port, if it is in fact true.
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That would be rumor and innuendo. There is also talk that the Diamond for Verizon will be exactly like the Sprint version.

i love you djboo
now that herg has abandoned us, we must take matters into our own hands.
I'll be glad to help any way i can
let's get this thing working

blazingwolf said:
That would be rumor and innuendo. There is also talk that the Diamond for Verizon will be exactly like the Sprint version.
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Whenever Verizon Diamond does come out, which is either 09 or 10....then it will easily be ported, now...to port it from Sprint Diamond, it will need the drivers and a reduced size of the manilla in order to work, that means porting everything

Plase Move This to the Dev Section---Willing to make a new shell interface for Omnia

Hi Guys,
Ok, i've thrown the lure on Modaco and now i try here, I'm basically looking for someone to code this idea.
I'm an Omnia lucky owner and i really love it, particularly it's versatility.
I just regret the lack of cool interfaces (put Manilla 2d aside, it's awesome, but it's like having an htc device on out phones, not very exclusive). here are two quick layouts of an idea i had today, it's practically just eyecandy stuff, maybe not the top usability around but, you know, in our life we must satisfy ourselves...
Basically i'm looking for someone to code this, if it's mildly possible, 'cause i'm a poor lazy designer, and i don't chew any "if" or any "else"...
So here they are, a portrait and a landscape view of what's laying in my mind:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
the idea is to have a spinning wheel of icons, transparent if possible (png with alpha?) that can grant access to the corrisponding main ambients of a mobile shell when tapped, just like SPB mobile shell or manilla, only more "graphic". The thing is conceived to be touch driven, with hrizontal sliding to spin the icons wheel and a vertical slide to access a second menu, just in case smile.gif The background (plane + rings) should be still, just a plain image.
I plan to design the "inside" of any section if i find someone crazy enough to follow my babblings, things like a photo gallery, a media player, a weather panel, etc.... (ye ye, like manilla) ando oh yes, no windows bars for now.
If there's someone who own the knowledge to understand the feasibility of this thing, my first question is "Flash lite?" cause i like very much the idea of having something very kinetic and possibly quick, and i'm not completely new to flash to keep me from helping.
Any Thoughts ?
P.S.: i'm sorry if some phrases in my post aren't clear enough, but i'm italian and i'm not so sure about my english.
Cheers.
Hellbender.
PPS: Frak, wrong section, please can a mod move it in the appropriate one ? I'm so lame.

I'm not an Omnia owner, nor can I help you, but I think it's a pretty cool looking idea. As for the language, I wouldn't have guessed until you said it that you weren't a native English speaker... No worries. I hope someone can help you get this idea off the ground, maybe having a few levels of wheels (i.e. flicking up and down gets to an inner or outer wheel from the one it's at) would make it more fun to navigate. Wheel 1 is your basics, and when you select something (like programs) wheel 2 lists the programs... Quick to get back and forth and easy to sort through. Good luck!

it will be difficult to remove the window bars and softkeys while keeping the touchflo.
This will have to be done in C++ (basically rework the whole frontend.) -meaning we need to know alot about each API to be able to create a flawless frontend that works with WM6.0+ backend
This will be quite a project.
I like how it looks

@Black93300ZX: thank you for your kindness
@zeezee: so i assume that products like SPB Mobile Shell are written in C++. I would be happy with just a fullscreen app that overlays on the today screen (SPB like), non necessarily a total integration like Manilla 2D. I haven't any idea about the performance.
"...meaning we need to know alot about each API.." you mean each single app i would add to that interface ? Because i was thinking that could be initially just some sort of launcher with graphical navigation, and adding features with time.
Obviously the BEST should be to intregrate every single function inside the same graphical environment, but for starters this is far from my expectations.
For now it's a spare time project, i'll take everything community can give to help.
Hellbender.

I really like the idea, especially the concept mock up interface you have developed. However I think you might get a better reception if you try and aim to make the application available for all HTC users, aka a universal front end to the essentials much like what SPB Mobile Shell does. Sadly my programming expertise is not that great to help out, sorry.
Best of luck getting others onboard to help you out with it!

psychoben87 said:
I really like the idea, especially the concept mock up interface you have developed. However I think you might get a better reception if you try and aim to make the application available for all HTC users, aka a universal front end to the essentials much like what SPB Mobile Shell does. Sadly my programming expertise is not that great to help out, sorry.
Best of luck getting others onboard to help you out with it!
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That's true, if you made it generic for Windows Mobile I'm sure you could find plenty of developers here who would help you out. Unfortunately, asking for help with software for a Samsung on an HTC forum may present problems. :|

Black93300ZX said:
That's true, if you made it generic for Windows Mobile I'm sure you could find plenty of developers here who would help you out. Unfortunately, asking for help with software for a Samsung on an HTC forum may present problems. :|
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I could be wrong but I'm under the impression the Omnia runs windows mobile 6.1 which iirc is the first samsung phone to use windows mobile.

psychoben87 said:
I could be wrong but I'm under the impression the Omnia runs windows mobile 6.1 which iirc is the first samsung phone to use windows mobile.
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It does, but I'm saying I think originally he was asking for this to be made specifically for the Omnia, wouldn't work with HTC devices... Just like a lot of the customizations on the Tilt won't work on the Touch Pro. If he asked for it to be a generic program for Windows Mobile, however, he might have better luck as developers will have their phones to test it on.

For a start, Flash Lite is probably easier, but using C++ may end up with a better finished product that's more compatible.
I love the idea, and think the graphics look great!
I can help code it, but I'm certain there are better people with more time than me.
If the whole interface were 2D rather than 3D (using scaling to produce a 3D like effect) it'll run faster and probably better. And it'll be far less reliant on hardware.
I don't own an Omnia, but I'm sure there's an emulator available for the resolution, and it would be cool to have it on other screens as well.
Oh, and since I seem to be the first mod here, I'll move the thread.

Black93300ZX said:
It does, but I'm saying I think originally he was asking for this to be made specifically for the Omnia, wouldn't work with HTC devices... Just like a lot of the customizations on the Tilt won't work on the Touch Pro. If he asked for it to be a generic program for Windows Mobile, however, he might have better luck as developers will have their phones to test it on.
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Oh opps, thanks for pointing that out.