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Improving video recording

On the original releases of the legend build for hero the camera app gave you the option to record in wvga video capture. The video capture failed and only the sound remained. With tweaking could this be put on the more able overclocked roms and made to work.

therevell said:
On the original releases of the legend build for hero the camera app gave you the option to record in wvga video capture. The video capture failed and only the sound remained. With tweaking could this be put on the more able overclocked roms and made to work.
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Hmm. I'm not sure what you mean by WVGA. Do you mean xxx by 480? As I don't remember any ROM working with this.
I think 352x288 is the limit, likely for a good reason

Our hero has to compress the video on the CPU while recording. More than anything CIF or alike is really the limit to get watchable video.
The legend isn't really that much higher in CPU power (cpu's are comparible), but it has enhanced video support for encoding video on the SoC, which is most likely used in the camera app.
That also explains why we get no video at all in the hero without changing anything, it tries to use a library / hardware chip that isn't there.

slightly off the main point, but is there a way of gaining better audio quality out of the vidoes? i really despise muffled 'amr' quality sound that the hero has. or am i missing something?

better camcorder?!

I'm just curious and want to know if the hardware in the HD2 is capable of higher quality video recording
OK so I have been looking at other phones with a 5MP camera and they can record video higher than 640x480.
One example is the N900. It can record up to 848x480.
Another example, the Droid can record 720x480.
Thx

Why are you posting multiple threads asking the same question (i.e., the other thread here)? You think someone will magically say yes?
For Windows Mobile, it is unlikely you'll see anyone develop any improved drivers for higher resolution video camera recording.
If you're unhappy with this fact, sell the phone and buy the phone that comes with the resolution you want to record at if video recording is so important to you. Didn't you even do your homework prior to buying the HD2?

I only asked if the hardware is capable of a higher resolution.
The hardware.
Read before you answer, ty.

scrizz said:
I'm just curious and want to know if the hardware in the HD2 is capable of higher quality video recording
OK so I have been looking at other phones with a 5MP camera and they can record video higher than 640x480.
One example is the N900. It can record up to 848x480.
Another example, the Droid can record 720x480.
Thx
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Do you really feel the HD2 video recoring its bad. I maybe used the recoring on my phone maybe 4 times in my entire life. The recording its above decent. There might be a hack for it but I doubt people actually dislike the quality of it

It's not so much a question of hardware as it is a question of software and drivers.

PoisonWolf said:
It's not so much a question of hardware as it is a question of software and drivers.
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Well it could be a hardware issue too. most camera sensors have a still picture mode and a video mode. If the video mode is only designed to do 640x480 then that's all your gona get. Sure an app may be able to be written to capture video frame by frame in still pic mode, but can the camera take pics that fast? does the sensor module to motherboard link have the bandwidth to do 5mpixel at 30fps? i doubt it. im guessing that the link between the module and motherboard is either an I2C serial bus or maybe just standard USB, Though in video mode the camera module itself might be doing the mp4 encoding, taking that workload off the CPU, if you tried to capture frame by frame, then your going to have the CPU convert either the raw data or jpeg data from the module into a video format.
I firmware hack or mod for the camera module might be able to enable say 720p video output from the module, but i find it doubtful that anyone is going to get their hands on that firmware and we dont even know if it is "field programmable"

HTC HD2 720p Video Recording

Hey people, i was wondering since HTC are going to update the HTC Desire with 720p recording in the future via an update. HTC HD2 has the same camera why cant we have an update????
and by the way dont start using because windows mobile 6.5 doesnt allow it blah blah blah......
ps just recieved an update read below....
Dear Yus,
Thank you for contacting us. In regards to updates on the HD2 I can help you with that. No updates are planned at this time to enable HD Recording. The hardware may not even be compatible. The only official information on updates is on our website www.htc.com/support We cannot comment on what is seen on the internet as this is not official HTC published content. I trust that this resolves your query, please do not hesitate to contact us again if required.
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Philip
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its hard the hardware its capable of doing it software might not be. Windows Mobile its old and a bit dusty. Im pretty sure theirs a way but HTC dont care the HD2 its like the last strong windows Mobile device standing. HTC are putting their effort to android and windows 7.

josemedina1983 said:
its hard the hardware its capable of doing it software might not be. Windows Mobile its old and a bit dusty. Im pretty sure theirs a way but HTC dont care the HD2 its like the last strong windows Mobile device standing. HTC are putting their effort to android and windows 7.
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^^Hey, I know you!
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It might be plausible to enable the HD recording in the future, but I know WinMo is incapable of supporting HD recording. You'll never know, maybe something miraculous will happen and this might work!
However, at least it's nice to get pics at higher resolutions than 5mp. There's a tweak here, if you didn't know.

its not hardware problem... but the winmo 6.5 dont support hd recording...
show me one win mo 6.5 device with HD recording...
its support only android or difrend os...
so maybe in the final android port can hd2record high definition...
but maybe not

ilijan said:
its not hardware problem... but the winmo 6.5 dont support hd recording...
show me one win mo 6.5 device with HD recording...
its support only android or difrend os...
so maybe in the final android port can hd2record high definition...
but maybe not
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Yeah, and I'm thinking Microsoft might work on fixing that in WP7 and completely ignore WM6.5.x.
Hopefully the devs get that to work. The TP2's Android port still doesn't have camera support and the port's been around since December.

Lets ask another question has anybody here been able to prove that our beloved HD2 supports 720p recording hardware-wise? And if yes its just a software/driver issue thats keeping us from recording at 720p?

guys if wm6.5 dont support 720p rec
ok how about 720x480 or WVGA like samsung omnia ii ?
something better than nothing

Euroman28 said:
Lets ask another question has anybody here been able to prove that our beloved HD2 supports 720p recording hardware-wise? And if yes its just a software/driver issue thats keeping us from recording at 720p?
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look at the nexus one

scrizz said:
look at the nexus one
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Can you confirm to use that the camera in the Nexus One and HD2 are identical?

im pretty sure its 720p recording will be possible in thw android port, but because WM6.5 is well old and sucky (or ancient if you dont like to call it sucky)... it wont be possible in it, but hopefully it will be possible in WP7... and i belive android devs said it will be possible in android but thats when its fully ported of course...

Euroman28 said:
Lets ask another question has anybody here been able to prove that our beloved HD2 supports 720p recording hardware-wise? And if yes its just a software/driver issue thats keeping us from recording at 720p?
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well, ive tried lol but not successful, camera shuts down everytime i try it, but i can record on WVGA(800x480) plus a bit smoother frame rate than normal HD2

See i'm kinda holding back from buying one of those mini HD camcorders because im certain someone can create a break through with the HD2's camera. saves me taking two devices everywhere just for the camera, when the HD2's camera seems more than capable.
I've not been on the forum long so can someone explain the process that could make this work? Im aware of the WM 6.5 limitations, has anybody got a solid port to android or WM7 yet...?

Dani01c said:
well, ive tried lol but not successful, camera shuts down everytime i try it, but i can record on WVGA(800x480) plus a bit smoother frame rate than normal HD2
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How are you recording in WVGA? I know the Android Camcorder app does but I have never heard of the WinMo recorder going beyond VGA

I don't see how the OS has anything to do with the resolution that the camera can capture at. The limitation is probably in the firmware (in the camera module), camera module driver, or the camera software. Could also be a hardware issue with whatever bus interface is between the camera module and the HD2, it could be a standard USB bus which would have the bandwidth for HD video, or it could be something proprietary with a low bitrate that wouldn't handle the bandwidth of a 720p/24/30 real time video stream. The bus could be a real issue, notice how some of the 1st camera phones that could do 720p were 720p/24. 720p/24 is a lower bitrate than the 720p/30 more common now
I do know that I have gotten my HD2 to capture WVGA video in one of the android builds. I never took the time to evaluate if it was capturing a true pixel per pixel WVGA image, or if it was really capturing a VGA image and then either zooming or stretching it to WVGA in software

chrisrj28 said:
How are you recording in WVGA? I know the Android Camcorder app does but I have never heard of the WinMo recorder going beyond VGA
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I'd like to know as well. I'm more interested in doing widescreen video recording natively. When I run android it does it. How can we do this on the WinMo side? It's not HD just widescreen...

juiceppc said:
I'd like to know as well. I'm more interested in doing widescreen video recording natively. When I run android it does it. How can we do this on the WinMo side? It's not HD just widescreen...
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Its quite possible that android is still recording VGA mode and then just cropping off the top and bottom, basically leaving you with 640x360 effective pixels.
We need someone that knows the android cam software that can tell us exactly what its doing, or someone to do a resolution test recording a pattern to measure the recorded resolution

well... actually You are wrong. some android builds ARE capable of recording 800 x 480 videos. what more, those are being recorded flawlessly, no frame drops or stuttering.
I believe that I have recorded those with mattc rom.

bronx said:
well... actually You are wrong. some android builds ARE capable of recording 800 x 480 videos. what more, those are being recorded flawlessly, no frame drops or stuttering.
I believe that I have recorded those with mattc rom.
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but is it really true 800x480 pixels or the 640x360 upscaled to fill out 800x480? only true way to test is to use a resolution pattern
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/How-We-Test-Camcorders-36180.htm
I am pretty sure that the HD2 has a 4:3 not a 16:9 sensor for the camera. this would explain why we loose resolution when the still camera is put into wide mode. it takes the 4:3 5mpixel image and chops the top and bottom off to make it "widescreen"

drownage said:
im pretty sure its 720p recording will be possible in thw android port, but because WM6.5 is well old and sucky (or ancient if you dont like to call it sucky)... it wont be possible in it, but hopefully it will be possible in WP7... and i belive android devs said it will be possible in android but thats when its fully ported of course...
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hey guys so after looking into this a little bit more i have found a few odd solutions but a resurfacing of one of the hd2's faults. i have been able to play high res .mp4 movies in the htc video player no problem. it was designed to fit the series of images best to the screen it is given(just to point out the obvious). now due to the fixed screen res on the device, the MOST your going to get out of any video that you watch is 480x800. the program is just running a data summary per pixel when dealing with a pixle count higher than 480. its the same (or similar) process as to when you you choose full screen or wide screen on the device to play movies. you are not getting true pixel to pixel data play back (unless you record with the phone camera at 480p or convert a movie to EXACTLY 480x whatever. which btw does not matter.) with that being said, the htc video play supports a vast amount of resolutions including 720p .mp4. (you guys have made a mountain out of an ant hill) yes i do understand different res vids also have various bit rate and playback qualities, but the best thing to do for that is download chainfires 3d drivers and manually clock your processor to 998Mhz. rendering becomes seamless at that point. so to end one vicious cycle, yes, you can play 720p videos on your hd2 just make sure its the propper file type. now back to the other issue... 720p RECORDING. absolutely the phone can handle it! its a matter of opening an additional camera function to the htc camera. easier said than done. the general idea is changing a value within either the firmware or through the registry for you input image pixle count. for ex:
blah 12031029 blah 2398x1098
blah 239840923
blah blah blah 90238942
bada bing pixel count per image 480x640 <= we need a way to edit this.
or in a reg directory
blah1/YOUR MOM/HTC CAMERA/CAMCORDER/INPUT VALUE/-_-X-_-
SO basically the sooner we can figure a way to change these values (i know its SUPER SIMPLIFIED) the closer we are to getting 720p recording on the hd2...... so yea ..... WHOS WITH ME!?! and if you have any ideas on how to please add to the brainstorming!

mmendez92 said:
hey guys so after looking into this a little bit more i have found a few odd solutions but a resurfacing of one of the hd2's faults. i have been able to play high res .mp4 movies in the htc video player no problem. it was designed to fit the series of images best to the screen it is given(just to point out the obvious). now due to the fixed screen res on the device, the MOST your going to get out of any video that you watch is 480x800. the program is just running a data summary per pixel when dealing with a pixle count higher than 480. its the same (or similar) process as to when you you choose full screen or wide screen on the device to play movies. you are not getting true pixel to pixel data play back (unless you record with the phone camera at 480p or convert a movie to EXACTLY 480x whatever. which btw does not matter.) with that being said, the htc video play supports a vast amount of resolutions including 720p .mp4. (you guys have made a mountain out of an ant hill) yes i do understand different res vids also have various bit rate and playback qualities, but the best thing to do for that is download chainfires 3d drivers and manually clock your processor to 998Mhz. rendering becomes seamless at that point. so to end one vicious cycle, yes, you can play 720p videos on your hd2 just make sure its the propper file type. now back to the other issue... 720p RECORDING. absolutely the phone can handle it! its a matter of opening an additional camera function to the htc camera. easier said than done. the general idea is changing a value within either the firmware or through the registry for you input image pixle count. for ex:
blah 12031029 blah 2398x1098
blah 239840923
blah blah blah 90238942
bada bing pixel count per image 480x640 <= we need a way to edit this.
or in a reg directory
blah1/YOUR MOM/HTC CAMERA/CAMCORDER/INPUT VALUE/-_-X-_-
SO basically the sooner we can figure a way to change these values (i know its SUPER SIMPLIFIED) the closer we are to getting 720p recording on the hd2...... so yea ..... WHOS WITH ME!?! and if you have any ideas on how to please add to the brainstorming!
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i'm wit u 100%

DEsire HD 1080p

ORiginal desire got the ability to record 720p videos . Even iPhone 3gs which was able to record vga video was able to record in 720p after a work around.will it be possible on desire HD to record full hd 1080p videos with any kind of work around
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I'm not a techie but 720p usually means 1280 by 720 pixels where 1080p means 1920 by 1080 pixels. It's quite a jump between those values and even with a workaround that quality could be poop

the sensor won't be better with any change
It will just use more space from the sdcard

The sensor is capable of recording 1080p, but the processor is not capable of encoding in full hd. So no - it's not possible.

liljom said:
the sensor won't be better with any change
It will just use more space from the sdcard
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i agree, the sensor is the same size so the image will just be stretched and more space used for the same image quality

panyan said:
i agree, the sensor is the same size so the image will just be stretched and more space used for the same image quality
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Nope, if the processor was capable of encoding 1080p, the video won't be just an upsampled version of the 720p video. It would be a true 1080. It's not the sensor alone that's responsible for the video quality - there are the lenses and the hardware encoding. And these (especialy the lenses) have the negative impact on our video recording IMO.

If not full HD then least some workaround to improve the current state. Audio really suck and video I dark most of the times. Really disappointed with the video quality on desire HD
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Htc have always had ****ty cameras. If you wanted a camera phone the dhd isn't the best option.
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Someone Swyped my idea.

to be able to record in 1080p would be great enhance but I bet changing from stock sd card is required it seems. class to won't do good with 1080p recording. correct me if I'm wrong

I wouldn't have thought a Class 2 card would anywhere near fast enough for full HD.

would you really notice the difference from 720p to 1080p if shot through the same lens?

Andr3wKay said:
would you really notice the difference from 720p to 1080p if shot through the same lens?
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Not with these lenses

the lens is capable enough to record 1080p,its the processor issue,because the new galaxy s2 has 8mpixel camera aswell and is capable of recording in full hd 1080p,so i was wondering,if i overclock my cpu to 1.2ghz,which i already done,will there be a solution?

serro90 said:
the lens is capable enough to record 1080p,its the processor issue,because the new galaxy s2 has 8mpixel camera aswell and is capable of recording in full hd 1080p,so i was wondering,if i overclock my cpu to 1.2ghz,which i already done,will there be a solution?
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Galaxy S2 has a dual core CPU.
We would need that, if we ever manage to capture in 1080p it would just be a slideshow because the CPU cant keep up.

A bit late to this party, the last post was about six months old.
*Puts thread back to sleep"

[30.JUN]720p Recording on HD2 WORKING! [PROOF]

found this video on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf5v...r5nuK3Z0B_fSvp7IAvvkwGs3Hl91Ypg&feature=inbox
We all know that 720p recording is working on this sd build:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038694
But I asked in the questions, and the person that uploaded the video said that it was a 2.2 froyo build.
the question is, is that a sd build, or a nand build?
The max resolution is 480p on Youtube. The vid is fake ?
edit [30.JUN] New video uploaded, showing 720p settings in camcorder app
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xursSwDRUyo&feature=channel_video_title

Why do I only see a 480p max in the resolution selection?

yz.hd said:
found this video on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf5v...r5nuK3Z0B_fSvp7IAvvkwGs3Hl91Ypg&feature=inbox
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Go back to the video, you cannot change to 720p hd quality, i.e. the video is NOT HD.

Nigeldg said:
Go back to the video, you cannot change to 720p hd quality, i.e. the video is NOT HD.
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indeed, but the quality looks a bit better that normal android recording.. Have no idea.

WP7 is the single software on hd2 which records 720p so it seems to be wp7

popab said:
WP7 is the single software on hd2 which records 720p so it seems to be wp7
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check the sd build link in my thread. It's working on android too

many people suffer from retardation...no reason you should mimick them..

beston94 said:
many people suffer from retardation...no reason you should mimick them..
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you are one of them I guess ?

yz.hd said:
you are one of them I guess ?
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Sorry you guessed wrong because i'm simply not the one who thought the video was 720p...I mean come on this is simple stuff..

beston94 said:
Sorry you guessed wrong because i'm simply not the one who thought the video was 720p...I mean come on this is simple stuff..
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go wash your eyes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xursSwDRUyo&feature=channel_video_title

I don't really understand you guys.. I've tried recently that Gingerbread ROM that claims to record 720p (just an older version), you could easily select 720p record mode, and the preview was ok, and even it would record, but the output was awfull, it was definitelly less than 720p, and 1-3FPS!!! Now i've been trying to watch an eye on that thread, people are claiming that it sort of records in 720p but with 1fps only, which, of course, sucks hard. (but it might be a progress somehow)
Secondly, the first video from this post is 16:9 and it looks good, though it's for sure not an HD video (and never was). The tricks is that you just need to install MIUI (or at least MIUI camera) and you're gonna get the best camcorder yet available for Android (imho), which also records 800x480 in very good quality (though sound quality is quite bad), and makes stills in 16:9 aspect.
Thirdly, it's definitely not a WP7 video, as i'm using WP7 in dual boot with Android for some time now, and WP7 is even my main OS on the phone, the video quality is great, it's sharp, (once in a while skips some frames, but definitely better than others), but has a bad hue, it's violet-greenish, as can be seen on youtube if you'll search HD2 720p recording...
And these are my fifty cents to the topic.. And as a wrap-up i can easily claim that i still don't believe in miracles, untill i'll get clear proofs or i'll just try it by myself..

yz.hd said:
go wash your eyes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xursSwDRUyo&feature=channel_video_title
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you just put up the link to the other one....if you would show me the right one from the beggining then iw ould have no problem.....

beston94 said:
you just put up the link to the other one....if you would show me the right one from the beggining then iw ould have no problem.....
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That video was uploaded after you made that newbish comment.

yz.hd said:
That video was uploaded after you made that newbish comment.
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Have you even read nickriley's post? That video proves nothing. 720p recording is useless at an FPS of 1-3, and so is a topic once more showing it is doing just that, which has been known for days already.