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Ok so I just got the evo and I'm I. Love I had a moment b4 this and the the pre and the moment was very disappointing but the evo defined did the trick for Mr any way I'm very new to this whole rooting and hacking so I don't kno to much info or where to go get the info I was wonder if there there was a way I could use the hotspot feature without paying 29.99 so if anyone has any info or can point me in the right direction that would be great thanks in advance
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You would need to root your phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Supersonic/Guides_&_Tutorials
Please read up on it before you actually do it. Read the stickies at the top of each forum.
I did this literally 5 minutes ago. I have all the recent updates, and used unrevoked.
http://unrevoked.com/recovery/
The whole process took less than 5 minutes.
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/downloads/list
Download that .apk, install and boom.
Thanks for the info fmedina2, im new to the evo and everything 2, but since the link is currently not working. If I root my phone is there a possibility my phone could break or not work properly?
Sprint really doesn't bust users for pulling down hotspot quantity data-activity without paying the $30/mo Mobile Hotspot fee ?
I put 2.1 back on my friend's phone. Now he gets to use the sprint hotspot for free. For some reason he doesn't like free tether, but I do.
IFMISM said:
I put 2.1 back on my friend's phone. Now he gets to use the sprint hotspot for free. For some reason he doesn't like free tether, but I do.
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If you root then apply Calkulin's usb tether fix, it will also make the native Hotspot app work. The fix disables authentification for both wired and wireless tethering.
Personally, I think that the way these phones hog data out of the box that it would be hard for sprint accuse you of unauthrized tethering unless you were doing something like using the phone as your primary internrt connection.
I cancelled my comcast as soon as I got my evo. I've used it for XBOX live, webbrowsing during the day and leave it on to torrent over night. Sprint hasn't said anything to me.
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I cancelled my comcast as soon as I got my evo. I've used it for XBOX live, webbrowsing during the day and leave it on to torrent over night. Sprint hasn't said anything to me.
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This. I pushed upwards of 11GB worth of data in m first month with no hassle.
thekingofmean said:
I cancelled my comcast as soon as I got my evo. I've used it for XBOX live, webbrowsing during the day and leave it on to torrent over night. Sprint hasn't said anything to me.
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sobis1dm said:
This. I pushed upwards of 11GB worth of data in m first month with no hassle.
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Please, stop. You people are why we're going to lose unlimited bandwidth.
drmacinyasha said:
Please, stop. You people are why we're going to lose unlimited bandwidth.
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You're absolutely right. I'm rooted, and CAN tether for free, but I pay the $29.99 anyway because it's the right thing to do. If you are using it for a lot of data (your main connection), you should pay for it.
thekingofmean said:
I cancelled my comcast as soon as I got my evo. I've used it for XBOX live, webbrowsing during the day and leave it on to torrent over night. Sprint hasn't said anything to me.
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if you do ghetto things like that, you'll live just that kind of life.
good luck with that...
sobis1dm said:
This. I pushed upwards of 11GB worth of data in m first month with no hassle.
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Get ready for tiered data plans.
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Hahaha you should pay for it? Why because they tell you too? Hey simple man root your phone thru unrevoked(easy as hell) then use pdanet or caulkins method or flash a rom that has it already integrated.
Hey your paying an extra $10 for extra bandwith so use it. Why pay $40 more now to stream on your phone..hey AT&T is 15 a month for dsl a year...so it may be right but it ain't smart..... Also I believe unlimited bandwith is for aircards and not for wireless. There is a thread discussing that. At the end of the day too each his own....
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P.S. I don't abuse or really use tethering but I don't see the problem. I don't use 90% of the internet based stuff on my phone but I pay the $10 and don't complain...
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Please, stop. You people are why we're going to lose unlimited bandwidth[/url].
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david279 said:
Get ready for tiered data plans.
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The reason I came to Sprint is because they allow it, and every rep I've talked to knows this. What good is the ability to push unlimited data (which, please, most people here can burn 11GB in a day, let alone a month) if you're morally restricted to limiting yourself to the competition's tiers anyways? Sprint's angle against the Big Two has been unlimited data for a long time now, and they're not going to switch it. If they do, I can promise you that the reason is NOT some guy using PDANet and watching a lot of streaming football while he's at work.
My 2 cents: our ten dollar a month 4g fee....covers truly unlimited data, at least that's how sprint justifies it. Even though I have used upwards of 9 gigs without ever touching tether. 10 or 15 is not that bad, imo.tiered plans are a scare tactic . Att feels the pain of that already. Hardcore users have started jumping ship now that they realize 2 gigs is nothing the more they use their phones.
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Kcarpenter said:
My 2 cents: our ten dollar a month 4g fee....covers truly unlimited data, at least that's how sprint justifies it. Even though I have used upwards of 9 gigs without ever touching tether. 10 or 15 is not that bad, imo.tiered plans are a scare tactic . Att feels the pain of that already. Hardcore users have started jumping ship now that they realize 2 gigs is nothing the more they use their phones.
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You're right in that 2GB really is nothing nowadays. Sprint offers On Demand television, live sporting events, and devices with screens big enough to actually utilize these things; and when Netflix comes to Android, do they really think users will stay within 2-5GB?
Even without Netflix or tethering, Evo can burn through caps like noone's business on push alone. The phone was built and marketed as a multimedia powerhouse - stream HD, refresh your FriendStream every 15 minutes, push the news, get your email, upload huge photos from your 8MP cam, all within a few swipes.
It makes sense for Sprint to cap the non-premium data users, and just use that as an incentive to make $10/mo from that many more customers. But seriously, companies really should start focusing on making the network's capacities better - not limiting the consumer.
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I second that!!
We aren't losing unlimited bandwidth. We pay extra for not having 4G in our areas aka a 'richer data experience'.
This is that richer data experience. Tether it up.
From 4483:
SprintFreeMsg: Turn your Epic 4G into a Wi-Fi router and connect up to 5 devices with Sprint Mobile Hotspot. http://sprint.us/hs2 Reply END to stop
3:12PM, Apr 5
Eastern Time Zone
What's the point to this thread
We already know that
I believe it was advertised that our phones could do that
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I thought it was similar to ATT catching on to people illegally tethering
Threads dead baby, threads dead!!!!
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I thought it was similar to ATT catching on to people illegally tethering
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Based on what? The fact that they were making you aware of a feature on your phone?
Hotspot is expensive but it blows away Wifi Tether in its current state. My ROM choices get limited because its disabled on most
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I'd be more willing to pay for this if 4g was available in my area. I live 30 minutes outside NYC in long island and there's 0 4g coverage. Nothing and no ETA on a rollout from sprint. I happily use wifi tether for when I'm out and about and need it for my laptop, but I'm not going to pay the equivalent of my home internet connection so I can have my devices running on 3g
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I'd be more willing to pay for this if 4g was available in my area. I live 30 minutes outside NYC in long island and there's 0 4g coverage. Nothing and no ETA on a rollout from sprint. I happily use wifi tether for when I'm out and about and need it for my laptop, but I'm not going to pay the equivalent of my home internet connection so I can have my devices running on 3g
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Yeah, if I didn't have 4G I would stay away too. The 4G makes a big difference
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I think sprint should offer tethering for an addtional 10 bucks a month on top of our smartphone tax then i think more people would buy it, i would personally rather dealing with the adhoc one or the annoyingness of the wifi tether one.
30 bucks extra a month is insane. Its all about greed though
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30 bucks extra a month is insane. Its all about greed though
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Why do you say it is about greed? A company sets a price based upon what they think will bring in the best profit. Clearly the more they charge the fewer people will sign up. I don't see how deciding that $30/month is the right balance makes them any more greedy than any other amount they decide upon. If too few people sign up at $30, they might lower it to $20. Would lowering the price to increase profit be considered greedy?
Well that's great..
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Uh oh... see what u did? Now you got the share holders involved!
I don't now or have I ever tethered with my epic, and I got that text too. Don't worry op, they aren't on to ya!
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I have no Faux G coverage in my area, and I don't use Wifi Tether more than once every other month, so I see zero reason why I should pay $30 extra for it. When I do use it, it's usually about 500k down and 150k up so it's definitely not worth paying for.
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Think I'm going to have to agree, if I had 4g in my area, I really think I might fork up some money to actually let my home DSL go and just use my phone to tether what I need within the house. Otherwise, I'm not paying for crappy 3g tethering speeds on their hotspot app, when I can do it for free. I rarely use it anyway, just when I need the internet when working on a computer that doesn't have an ISP.
Useless crying wolf thread. Close it down.
Yeah I got the spam text on stock unrooted ec05. I also got a spam text on "congrats on your new epic 4g phone!" Imo, stupid.
I normally overlook the trolls and snide remarks in forums, but I have to say something. The Epic 4g forum subsection has the most, of the subsections I frequent, amount of butt-heads, smart-asses, trolls, impatient, and just plain old people that lack manners in a public forum that I've ever seen. Sometimes people get quite vicious and spiteful with their comments. I am not a saint by any means. I've said things that I later thought that might not have been cool and said when I was in a bad mood. Forum moderators, man, the stuff you put up with.....
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Agreed.
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musclehead84 said:
30 bucks extra a month is insane. Its all about greed though
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What's wrong with greed? Sprint is doing everything it can to stay in business, so every dime counts. They are in business to make money, just like pretty much every other company out there. Quite frankly, I don't know of any NFP mobile service providers, do you?
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Why do you say it is about greed? A company sets a price based upon what they think will bring in the best profit. Clearly the more they charge the fewer people will sign up. I don't see how deciding that $30/month is the right balance makes them any more greedy than any other amount they decide upon. If too few people sign up at $30, they might lower it to $20. Would lowering the price to increase profit be considered greedy?
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QFE
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Useless crying wolf thread. Close it down.
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The OP maybe. There is an interesting discussion here about the validity of companies charging extra for this service. That is the real question here, especially in light of the industry seeming to want to crack down rooting - that whole effort seems to be largely based on stuff like this.
I sent an email to Dan Hesse (no im not gullable enough to think he is actually going to read it) asking why they took away the tethering feature with this update. I konw most of you are rooted here and this doesn't affect you but this was a big deal. I bought this phone for this reason and now it is gone, how is that legal? Anyone else want to get a class action lawsuit going?
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I sent an email to Dan Hesse (no im not gullable enough to think he is actually going to read it) asking why they took away the tethering feature with this update. I konw most of you are rooted here and this doesn't affect you but this was a big deal. I bought this phone for this reason and now it is gone, how is that legal? Anyone else want to get a class action lawsuit going?
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Free tethering wasn't a feature you signed onto when you signed your contract. It was a nice little extra that Android provided which is clearly not what the carriers wanted and for which they now took away.
Did you see that Sprint just had a net loss of almost 850 million dollars... Despite a GAIN of 1 million subscribers. They have to do something lol.
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I was pissed about that as well, mostly because when I bought the phone the rep said it was a feature of the phone and since google was in charge of updates that sprint couldn't take it away. However, in another thread someone pointed out to me that tethering is an explicit violation of the terms of service agreement and the phone is subsidized by sprint so they are not really doing anything that you could sue them about. It is disappointing, but at least getting it back is easy through rooting.
Is this thread serious?
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the tethering app itself is there and still works, it does what the app is supposed to do. sprint how ever just disabled the connection on their end to accounts that dont have the add on........which is totally their right to do. while the app comes with the phone is free no one ever said the service was included
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Did you see that Sprint just had a net loss of almost 850 million dollars... Despite a GAIN of 1 million subscribers. They have to do something lol.
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More than 600,000 of those were in the prepaid sector. They actually had a net loss of more than 100,000 in the post paid sector.
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With Sprint I sort of understand the legitimacy of wanting to charge extra for tethering, since they have true unlimited data and people who tether regularly can use an assload of bandwidth. But the other carriers all cap their data plans and charge extra for tethering. That is bullcrap.
Just root your phone and install tether and stop complaining... it takes 5 seconds.
i dont use the tether and dont have any plans to, i agree that using the rooted one is all too easy (its what 99% of teh rest of the android population have to do).
BUT
i do believe its rather annoying that the nexus 1 came and went with free tethering, the nexus s is on so many different carriers domestic and international.. yet sprint is the first one to throw up a fit about tethering. not saying that its wrong for them to, just feeling like a red headed stepchild of the nexus s family.
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I sent an email to Dan Hesse (no im not gullable enough to think he is actually going to read it) asking why they took away the tethering feature with this update. I konw most of you are rooted here and this doesn't affect you but this was a big deal. I bought this phone for this reason and now it is gone, how is that legal? Anyone else want to get a class action lawsuit going?
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The free tether was not advertised as being free it was never writter or expressed. You just got a free bonus. IMO. Also the free tether was supposed to be remove on the update that occurred right after the phone was launched and it wasn't. I suggest rooting your phone its easy with an untold amount of benefits.
Does the removal of free tethering constitute as change in contract ? I would love to get out of my contract without penalty.
wow I love how people get up on a soapbox and complain without research first.
Free tethering was never offically free from sprint. So you want to cancel your contract/send emails/get red in the face over something that most people already knew.
get over it there are ways around these things which for the most part why we are all here to enhance our phones.
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Does the removal of free tethering constitute as change in contract ? I would love to get out of my contract without penalty.
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Read your contract and let me know if you see free tethering in there
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the tethering app itself is there and still works, it does what the app is supposed to do. sprint how ever just disabled the connection on their end to accounts that dont have the add on........which is totally their right to do. while the app comes with the phone is free no one ever said the service was included
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I thought the 2.3.5 update is what disable it? If so, that is hardly "on their end." It's on our end, inside our own hardware which we purchased.
Unless I am mistaken and they rolled out a network change at the exact same moment as a software change. But if they were magically blocking tethering from their end... then wouldn't it block our rooted tethering too?
I agree it's not the end of the world and rooted tether is easy. But I think it might be inaccurate to say an update to our phones is happening on their end.
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Read your contract and let me know if you see free tethering in there
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If the purchase contract to my car said I couldn't drive it while chewing gum, I'd walk out of the dealer. If the purchase contracts for ALL cars said that, I'd buy one of them and then go home and break the terms.
Just because it's in the contract doesn't mean it is right. We pay for a DATA service to a piece of hardware. What we do with data that has been fed into that device is our own decision, morally and logically. Sprint does not govern the airwaves in my own house that originate from a piece of hardware I own.
In reality it's not a big deal, but in principle it is 100% wrong.
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If the purchase contract to my car said I couldn't drive it while chewing gum, I'd walk out of the dealer. If the purchase contracts for ALL cars said that, I'd buy one of them and then go home and break the terms.
Just because it's in the contract doesn't mean it is right. We pay for a DATA service to a piece of hardware. What we do with data that has been fed into that device is our own decision, morally and logically. Sprint does not govern the airwaves in my own house that originate from a piece of hardware I own.
In reality it's not a big deal, but in principle it is 100% wrong.
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The DATA service to use the phone as a wireless hotspot/tether is an extra $29.99, whether we agree with that or not. If you don't think a contract is right then you don't sign it/use the service.
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If the purchase contract to my car said I couldn't drive it while chewing gum, I'd walk out of the dealer. If the purchase contracts for ALL cars said that, I'd buy one of them and then go home and break the terms.
Just because it's in the contract doesn't mean it is right. We pay for a DATA service to a piece of hardware. What we do with data that has been fed into that device is our own decision, morally and logically. Sprint does not govern the airwaves in my own house that originate from a piece of hardware I own.
In reality it's not a big deal, but in principle it is 100% wrong.
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Your fight is with congress. Verizon/at&t/comcast/etc they lobbied pretty hard so that net neutrality not be on wireless lines. So the government has allowed from now and out what can be defined as a data over wireless. So what if sprint wants to charge you extra on your contract for a smartphone when you want to use their network for serving up data for laptops/some use for Xbox live and stuff if it is needed so badly on the users end to have mobile data well.
So think about if sprint were to allow free tethering on all phones, well businesses would flock to them for company plans to cut costs, and the flocks of data whores out there that love to rack up data on their phones. Our network would blow, congestion please.
Sprint and wireless telcos don't govern all the airwaves in your own house just the frequencies they use to provide you with a service which at signing is for that piece of hardware you bought from them, then activated that hardware on their network.
This by no means is me getting angry with you but hopefully more people will read this and look this up and let the information flow out. Our government is to blame allowing this to happen. By allowing them to define mobile data is why we have to pay the most expensive data rates for texting and such.
Now imagine this verizon which is new kinda to home tv and high speed fiber to the home. Perhaps they use some of the lte network to start providing tv and home internet. Now they would have complete control over how you watch and your internet. Maybe they have to throttle your HD channels cause you've been watching to much HBO movies. Why not they will all tell you Netflix kills their backend but watching vod has no strain on the network.....I've been ranting for too long sorry
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BrianDigital said:
So think about if sprint were to allow free tethering on all phones, well businesses would flock to them for company plans to cut costs, and the flocks of data whores out there that love to rack up data on their phones. Our network would blow, congestion please.
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Agreed 100%, but the issue is traffic, not tethering. If they want to limit traffic or introduce a tiered plan, that is fine (it might piss me off, but it is a rational right they have). It is rational to expect to pay per amount of data streamed to my device. But it is not rational to tell me what to do with data received on my end.
Replace DATA with WATER. If I pay the city for x amount of water per month, once it arrives on my doorstep, can they charge me more if I add plumbing in my house that transports it to the backyard, or my basement? Or install an extra faucet in a guest bedroom?
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The DATA service to use the phone as a wireless hotspot/tether is an extra $29.99, whether we agree with that or not. If you don't think a contract is right then you don't sign it/use the service.
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Please see my example above about water.
If every single water company in town told you it was $50 per month to get 200 gallons of water piped to your house, but there would be a $30 surcharge (for the same amount) if you had more than 2 faucets in your house, would you:
(a) Tell them about all 4 of your faucets and pay $80
(b) Tell them you have 2 faucets and pay $50
If (a), then I question your thought processes. Common wisdom (in my mind at least) is that it is a citizen's duty to disobey unjust rules. Yes, I am being overdramatic here, and no a contract from Sprint is not a law. But it leans on the law (as the post above mentions), and ALL providers lean on that same unjust law...
I was using about 70-90 Gb data a month for the past few months, mostly because of tethering. I recieved the first warning, and then yesterday the final notice stating i WOULD be changed to 45$ 4Gb tethering plan next bill. Well i spent hours and hours calling back different times with different point. most being legality, and privacy issues. Nothing worked, UNTIL i got a very nice man who was describing tethering to me and how watching netflix on ur phone then attaching hdmi is still condisdered tethering. I told him i have CM7 and that it was a non-stock os, and that all i have been doing is watching netflix or hulu on my tv via the hdmi port and mirroring. he extended my cut off date to right after the conversation, so that as long as i did not tether after that (connect my phone to my tv, lamo!) i would no longer be switched. he gave me a third chance and i am very thankfull. if you do not get the response u want to hear, try, try again..generally with a different rep, but they HAVE HAVE HAVE to be in the tethering watch dept. i believe he said its called "EOS" dept. I also filled a complaint with the better business bureau, but im positive just a bluff would do the trick.
just remember, make sure you are speaking to the right department before you get all down and dirty into why you believe this is unjust, and use the TV excuse and dont ever tether again unless u wanna loose to AT&T
This ****s real, one you get your first notice, be smart, unlike me and stop effing tethering...unless u r on a tiered data plan....then tether away amigo
I have been using 40gb up to 70gb since i got my unlimited data back 2-3 months ago. Never gotten an notice. Been doing the same thing as you, plus using pdanet to use my computer and torrents.
Both of you abusing the system so to speak, and that's why the rest of us also have to pay the price. I can fully understand the OP getting notice, and for once actually agree with AT&T, except that I wouldn't have given you a third chance.
If you are using that much data tethering, I am more than happy to see them cut your data off completely!
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Both of you abusing the system so to speak, and that's why the rest of us also have to pay the price. I can fully understand the OP getting notice, and for once actually agree with AT&T, except that I wouldn't have given you a third chance.
If you are using that much data tethering, I am more than happy to see them cut your data off completely!
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Unlimited: Not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent.
If i cant use it as much as i want, what is the point of having unlimited data than?
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Unlimited: Not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent.
If i cant use it as much as i want, what is the point of having unlimited data than?
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you're abusing it, though.
It's like when you go to events and there's free products and the booth is. unoccupied and there's a sign that says one per person, you're the person who opens up a bag and takes more than their fair share.
it's a lack of courtesy, is what it basically is.
pdanet and torrenting? you're doing completely unnecessary stuff that you could do on your home computer with your home Internet without data cap worries.
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I am happy when I see threads like this. People complain about AT&T having ****ty service, but it is out of their control when people are hogging 50-100 GB over a wireless connection. Wireless is shared bandwidth, unlike a wired connection, so the network performs worse for other users when somebody it using massive bandwidth.
Unlimited doesn't give you the right to abuse the network and make it worse for others. P2P is abuse, per AT&T's terms of use.
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Unlimited does give you the right to abuse the network and make it worse for others. P2P is abuse, per AT&T's terms of use.
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i'm assuming you meant DOESN'T give you the right...?
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People certainly have the right to complain about AT&Ts new practices but 40-90 gb is overkill. Its hard to sympathize with you guys. I got the notice and I've only used 5gb of data.
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Unlimited: Not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent.
If i cant use it as much as i want, what is the point of having unlimited data than?
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Ya well 4G isn't 4G with them either. The point is that everybody else has to suffer by paying more, AND dealing with a more congested network.
Tethering was really meant for emergency purposes, or when the local coffee shop is closed and you need to be online browsing/checking email for a "short period of time"...
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Just saying..
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you're abusing it, though.
It's like when you go to events and there's free products and the booth is. unoccupied and there's a sign that says one per person, you're the person who opens up a bag and takes more than their fair share.
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Unfortunately... when he walked up to the booth, it was occupied, and that person behind the counter sold him the 'unlimited service(products)' plan, we all know ATT doesn't offer free services(products in your analogy).. he's not paying for a limited(tiered) plan... now, if he takes more than the ones who are paying for a 'tiered' plan, he's entitled to it, he's paying for that 'unlimited' plan, not a limited one.. ya know.. just saying...
Now, with that said.. going crazy with it like there is no tomorrow, that is another arguement/story.. ...
And yes.. I do have the unlimited data plan as well.. I just don't go nuts with it..
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Now, with that said.. going crazy with it like there is no tomorrow, that is another arguement/story.. ...
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That's the point people are making. I have unlimited also, but I don't abuse it by using my cell phone data plan as I do my high speed internet at home. Tethering isn't the issue, ludicrously high data usage is because it affects every user.
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Unfortunately... when he walked up to the booth, it was occupied, and that person behind the counter sold him the 'unlimited service(products)' plan, we all know ATT doesn't offer free services(products in your analogy).. he's not paying for a limited(tiered) plan... now, if he takes more than the ones who are paying for a 'tiered' plan, he's entitled to it, he's paying for that 'unlimited' plan, not a limited one.. ya know.. just saying...
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And yes.. I do have the unlimited data plan as well.. I just don't go nuts with it..
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ha. yeah you're right in that aspecto. i was just trying to point out the blatant lack of consumer responsibility.
i, too, have unlimited data. i stream music, netflix, google navigation.
and i don't hit 5gb a month. I don't even typically hit 2GB. it's the people who constantly abuse the unlimited data plan so that are causing AT&T to imposed stricter and stricter regulations on their customers. Granted, there's greed thrown in there as well. but until every single one of us customers isn't doing anything irresponsible, then collectively we look like ignorant customers. i'd understand if all customers used 5gb and AT&T was behaving as they are now, then I, too, would be pissed.
your car tops out at 140mph. you don't drive it that fast all the time out of courtesy to others on the road and you just knowing you shouldn't. you can. but you shouldn't.
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..... you're doing completely unnecessary stuff that you could do on your home computer with your home Internet without data cap worries.
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Sorry to burst your bubble about no data cap on home internet. I was issued a Notice that I exceeded my data usage cap with Cox Communications last month in San Diego (premier 25mbs/sec plan). I have 3 TVs all hooked up to either pandora, Netflix, Hulu +, or Playstation Network. (Normal computer web surfing as well).
But back on topic. The unlimited label should be removed as it borders on false advertisement.
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ifalldownalot said:
you're abusing it, though.
It's like when you go to events and there's free products and the booth is. unoccupied and there's a sign that says one per person, you're the person who opens up a bag and takes more than their fair share.
it's a lack of courtesy, is what it basically is.
pdanet and torrenting? you're doing completely unnecessary stuff that you could do on your home computer with your home Internet without data cap worries.
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Well sir im sorry for having something called work if you haven't heard of it yet. I do not have time do nothing else than sleep at home while working 16h shifts. That's why I do everything at work and they don't have wifi. Also if you haven't heard there is actually caps on home internet. Compacts has a 100-150gb cap and AT&T 300gb I think and its easy to go over it also. Trust me I have went over 350gb.
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But back on topic. The unlimited label should be removed as it borders on false advertisement.
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I tottaly agree with you. Plus how would they prove what you do on your phone? If they can that's a privacy issue right there. Its called unlimited for a reason.
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mac208x said:
Well sir im sorry for having something called work if you haven't heard of it yet. I do not have time do nothing else than sleep at home while working 16h shifts. That's why I do everything at work and they don't have wifi. Also if you haven't heard there is actually caps on home internet. Compacts has a 100-150gb cap and AT&T 300gb I think and its easy to go over it also. Trust me I have went over 350gb.
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Trust me, if they did have wifi at your work, and you did that on a company network, you wouldn't be working there for long. Stop downloading illegal content. That's the only reason you are racking up that kind data usage.
If you meant Comcast when you said Compacts, they have a 250GB cap.
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I tottaly agree with you. Plus how would they prove what you do on your phone? If they can that's a privacy issue right there. Its called unlimited for a reason.
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It's not a privacy issue when the data usage is provided by them. You expect them not to know how much data you use? Also, if you are referring to tethering, they don't have to do anything but look at the information you actually agree to providing them to determine packet usage. Without packet usage you can have no data, and TTL (Time To Live) is a timestamp embedded in all data. When you use their service you freely agree to them knowing this in order to provide said service, and thus give them the authority to see what you are doing regarding packet hops.
And I thought I was an ass just for using 6GB. OP, you're ruining it for all of us. But that's bull crap that AT&T considers mirroring and the like "tethering." Is it also considered tethering to use Google Music with your car?
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Trust me, if they did have wifi at your work, and you did that on a company network, you wouldn't be working there for long. Stop downloading illegal content. That's the only reason you are racking up that kind data usage.
If you meant Comcast when you said Compacts, they have a 250GB
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if they did have wifi, they wouldn't care at all. I know. And comast has a 150gb cap on their base plan, 250gb on their higher plans.
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if they did have wifi, they wouldn't care at all. I know. And comast has a 150gb cap on their base plan, 250gb on their higher plans.
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Get better internet then.
I got the notice using my 5 GB a month tethering. To heck with AT&T! That being said, some of you guys are clearly abusing the system and deserve the consequences!
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In the last few days Tmo has been redirecting me to buy that stupid hotspot service when i try to hot spot my work computer. I tried Clockworkmod's tether app, and got the same ****. Im in the process of downloading CM9's nightly, im hoping when i flash ill be back to getting what i pay for.
But if it doesnt, and since its a redirect i doubt flashing a rom will help, does anyone know how to get around it?
I dont understand why yu want to get it free. You are allowing your phone to give internet access to multiple devices thereby increasing bandwidth usage compared to how much youd overall use by accessing data services on your phone alone (hence throttling)Explain how it should be free?.
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You can get the five gigs plus tether for thirty bucks. Quit being cheap. Compared to other carriers we have it good.
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Having to work for tmobile is awesome . Having a dealer line and unlimited data access is amazing. I'm just happy
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monkeypaws said:
I dont understand why yu want to get it free. You are allowing your phone to give internet access to multiple devices thereby increasing bandwidth usage compared to how much youd overall use by accessing data services on your phone alone (hence throttling)Explain how it should be free?.
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Im already paying for data plan permonth. I shouldnt have to pay for it twice. Having to pay for tethering is a straight up money grab, i dont care how cool Tmo is (and they are a great company), i dont think i should have to pay twice for the data im already using and paying for.
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Im already paying for data plan permonth. I shouldnt have to pay for it twice. Having to pay for tethering is a straight up money grab, i dont care how cool Tmo is (and they are a great company), i dont think i should have to pay twice for the data im already using and paying for.
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So if you have 2 phones on your account you should only have to pay for data on one if them but get it on both? By your logic that would be the same thing...
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Data is data. Who cares, other than providers, where it's going?
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You can get the five gigs plus tether for thirty bucks. Quit being cheap. Compared to other carriers we have it good.
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I tether fine with my 5gig data plan without getting any hotpost messages
On the 5GB and 10GB plans, you can get tethering for free. One of the things I love about Tmo.
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So if you have 2 phones on your account you should only have to pay for data on one if them but get it on both? By your logic that would be the same thing...
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If he has unlimited data yes. If a customer has a 2gb hspa+ and unlimited edge after, who cares whether it's his phone or comp using the data? Charging for tethering is just charging for the service not the data. And considering a simple free app can do that service why should he pay extra?
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Data is data. Ones and zeros are ones and zeros. Im paying for ones and zeros. Not to mention i rarely use tethering at all, i just want it handy for that "every once in a while." $15 a month doesnt constitute that. Nor does it constitute using one of them "shared" bull **** that is $15 a month just to enable my phone to do it and use up the same data pool. Its a money grab and i refuse to pay for it.
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Data is data. Who cares, other than providers, where it's going?
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This is right. You are already paying for your 2GBs, you should be able to use it as you want. Because at the end of the day, your going to get throttled once you hit your limit.
so even if your using just your phone, or a hotspot the data you use with the devices don't change.
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If I'm not browsing on my laptop then I'm just going to pick up my phone and do it that way. How does that allow me to use an unfair amount? Data limits are still in place on my "unlimited" line.
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In the last few days Tmo has been redirecting me to buy that stupid hotspot service when i try to hot spot my work computer. I tried Clockworkmod's tether app, and got the same ****. Im in the process of downloading CM9's nightly, im hoping when i flash ill be back to getting what i pay for.
But if it doesnt, and since its a redirect i doubt flashing a rom will help, does anyone know how to get around it?
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T-Mobile didn't "figure you out" - most tethering is easily detectable. It's a matter of "does T-Mobile care enough to do anything about it?" ... Until recently, that answer was no.
The information to get around T-Mobile's tethering detection is available in this forum (read: search for it). I'll give you a hint: the user agent gives you away.
monkeypaws said:
I dont understand why yu want to get it free. You are allowing your phone to give internet access to multiple devices thereby increasing bandwidth usage compared to how much youd overall use by accessing data services on your phone alone (hence throttling)Explain how it should be free?.
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Do you own Tmobile stock?! What difference does it make? You know some of us are irritated that we are paying for unlimited data with at&t and we aren't able to tether our laptops every once in awhile. I have no need for tethering 95% of the time. But when I'm on the road and I need to check something on a flash website it is nice to be able to use my laptop. I shouldn't have to lose unlimited data AND have my data bill go up 66% just because I need to tether 15 times a year. You know if they said hey if you are going to be traveling pay us $5 and we will let you tether for a month I would say fine.
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Do you own Tmobile stock?! What difference does it make? You know some of us are irritated that we are paying for unlimited data with at&t and we aren't able to tether our laptops every once in awhile. I have no need for tethering 95% of the time. But when I'm on the road and I need to check something on a flash website it is nice to be able to use my laptop. I shouldn't have to lose unlimited data AND have my data bill go up 66% just because I need to tether 15 times a year. You know if they said hey if you are going to be traveling pay us $5 and we will let you tether for a month I would say fine.
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I used to get the nasty emails from Ma Bell until I started using USB exclusively and Opera browser (uses a proxy). Ever since then, I've never gotten another one.
Seriously just pay for it with tmo.. Its like the people that pirate apk's... its a couple bucks for those and its like, why waste the time?
You "righteous" dudes are missing the point. I totally understand what the OP is saying. If I'm already paying for a certain amount of data, who gives a damn HOW it is used. In the end I'm STILL using the amount of data I paid for. Nothing more, nothing less. Charging for that is just like double billing in my opinion. These providers will do ANYTHING to milk more money out of the consumer.
Tmob is a business, not a non profit orginization. it's not like charging for the service is done just to "rob" consumers, if it wasn't for everyone expecting everything for free I think technological advancements would be in a completely different place. We only hinder ourselves with our sense of entitlement. I get the point of only tethering so often, but again, few ruin it for the many and use their phone as a modem for Netflix. Too bad it's in our nature to exploit everything. Just sayin
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Tmob is a business, not a non profit orginization. it's not like charging for the service is done just to "rob" consumers, if it wasn't for everyone expecting everything for free I think technological advancements would be in a completely different place. We only hinder ourselves with our sense of entitlement. I get the point of only tethering so often, but again, few ruin it for the many and use their phone as a modem for Netflix. Too bad it's in our nature to exploit everything. Just sayin
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I do not believe issues such as this to be an unwarranted sense of entitlement. I have been an "unlimited" data user at At&T since 2005 - back when tethering was included in data. It was so little an issue back then I once called AT&T to ask for help setting up my Blackberry 7100.
For me to continue using my phone to tether win I switched to an iPhone, they tried to upsell me to a tethering plan, and the same when I briefly used a focus. I told them then, and I will tell them now, that as long as the plan that we BOTH agreed to regarding my ToS say that tethering is indeed included in my data plan - its not an entitlement, it is a right protected by the contract I had to sign while buying my beloved 8125.
The OP's individual situation may be different than this - but in all reality, if there is no abuse of the data caps on the users end - charging extra for tethering is in really bad taste from any of the carriers. It is NOT a service that they provide - it's a well established feature withing operating systems of the phones they sell. If that is unacceptable to them, then stop selling smartphones and go back to series Nokia 6125's. Then offer the 3g/4g hotspots as their own service so there is no longer a redundancy between smartphones and hotspots. Charging for both is just plain stupid.
Especially if the data plan I pay for has more than covered the data I use. I tether my laptop and tablet once or twice a week, and have not come close to the 5GB "softcap". If I'm not going over my limit, Who the heck are you to tell me I'm abusing the network? Leave me alone and go bother the jerk who's torrenting 720p movies on Friday night.