I was using about 70-90 Gb data a month for the past few months, mostly because of tethering. I recieved the first warning, and then yesterday the final notice stating i WOULD be changed to 45$ 4Gb tethering plan next bill. Well i spent hours and hours calling back different times with different point. most being legality, and privacy issues. Nothing worked, UNTIL i got a very nice man who was describing tethering to me and how watching netflix on ur phone then attaching hdmi is still condisdered tethering. I told him i have CM7 and that it was a non-stock os, and that all i have been doing is watching netflix or hulu on my tv via the hdmi port and mirroring. he extended my cut off date to right after the conversation, so that as long as i did not tether after that (connect my phone to my tv, lamo!) i would no longer be switched. he gave me a third chance and i am very thankfull. if you do not get the response u want to hear, try, try again..generally with a different rep, but they HAVE HAVE HAVE to be in the tethering watch dept. i believe he said its called "EOS" dept. I also filled a complaint with the better business bureau, but im positive just a bluff would do the trick.
just remember, make sure you are speaking to the right department before you get all down and dirty into why you believe this is unjust, and use the TV excuse and dont ever tether again unless u wanna loose to AT&T
This ****s real, one you get your first notice, be smart, unlike me and stop effing tethering...unless u r on a tiered data plan....then tether away amigo
I have been using 40gb up to 70gb since i got my unlimited data back 2-3 months ago. Never gotten an notice. Been doing the same thing as you, plus using pdanet to use my computer and torrents.
Both of you abusing the system so to speak, and that's why the rest of us also have to pay the price. I can fully understand the OP getting notice, and for once actually agree with AT&T, except that I wouldn't have given you a third chance.
If you are using that much data tethering, I am more than happy to see them cut your data off completely!
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Both of you abusing the system so to speak, and that's why the rest of us also have to pay the price. I can fully understand the OP getting notice, and for once actually agree with AT&T, except that I wouldn't have given you a third chance.
If you are using that much data tethering, I am more than happy to see them cut your data off completely!
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Unlimited: Not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent.
If i cant use it as much as i want, what is the point of having unlimited data than?
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Unlimited: Not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent.
If i cant use it as much as i want, what is the point of having unlimited data than?
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you're abusing it, though.
It's like when you go to events and there's free products and the booth is. unoccupied and there's a sign that says one per person, you're the person who opens up a bag and takes more than their fair share.
it's a lack of courtesy, is what it basically is.
pdanet and torrenting? you're doing completely unnecessary stuff that you could do on your home computer with your home Internet without data cap worries.
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I am happy when I see threads like this. People complain about AT&T having ****ty service, but it is out of their control when people are hogging 50-100 GB over a wireless connection. Wireless is shared bandwidth, unlike a wired connection, so the network performs worse for other users when somebody it using massive bandwidth.
Unlimited doesn't give you the right to abuse the network and make it worse for others. P2P is abuse, per AT&T's terms of use.
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Unlimited does give you the right to abuse the network and make it worse for others. P2P is abuse, per AT&T's terms of use.
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i'm assuming you meant DOESN'T give you the right...?
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People certainly have the right to complain about AT&Ts new practices but 40-90 gb is overkill. Its hard to sympathize with you guys. I got the notice and I've only used 5gb of data.
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Unlimited: Not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent.
If i cant use it as much as i want, what is the point of having unlimited data than?
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Ya well 4G isn't 4G with them either. The point is that everybody else has to suffer by paying more, AND dealing with a more congested network.
Tethering was really meant for emergency purposes, or when the local coffee shop is closed and you need to be online browsing/checking email for a "short period of time"...
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you're abusing it, though.
It's like when you go to events and there's free products and the booth is. unoccupied and there's a sign that says one per person, you're the person who opens up a bag and takes more than their fair share.
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Unfortunately... when he walked up to the booth, it was occupied, and that person behind the counter sold him the 'unlimited service(products)' plan, we all know ATT doesn't offer free services(products in your analogy).. he's not paying for a limited(tiered) plan... now, if he takes more than the ones who are paying for a 'tiered' plan, he's entitled to it, he's paying for that 'unlimited' plan, not a limited one.. ya know.. just saying...
Now, with that said.. going crazy with it like there is no tomorrow, that is another arguement/story.. ...
And yes.. I do have the unlimited data plan as well.. I just don't go nuts with it..
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Now, with that said.. going crazy with it like there is no tomorrow, that is another arguement/story.. ...
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That's the point people are making. I have unlimited also, but I don't abuse it by using my cell phone data plan as I do my high speed internet at home. Tethering isn't the issue, ludicrously high data usage is because it affects every user.
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Unfortunately... when he walked up to the booth, it was occupied, and that person behind the counter sold him the 'unlimited service(products)' plan, we all know ATT doesn't offer free services(products in your analogy).. he's not paying for a limited(tiered) plan... now, if he takes more than the ones who are paying for a 'tiered' plan, he's entitled to it, he's paying for that 'unlimited' plan, not a limited one.. ya know.. just saying...
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And yes.. I do have the unlimited data plan as well.. I just don't go nuts with it..
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ha. yeah you're right in that aspecto. i was just trying to point out the blatant lack of consumer responsibility.
i, too, have unlimited data. i stream music, netflix, google navigation.
and i don't hit 5gb a month. I don't even typically hit 2GB. it's the people who constantly abuse the unlimited data plan so that are causing AT&T to imposed stricter and stricter regulations on their customers. Granted, there's greed thrown in there as well. but until every single one of us customers isn't doing anything irresponsible, then collectively we look like ignorant customers. i'd understand if all customers used 5gb and AT&T was behaving as they are now, then I, too, would be pissed.
your car tops out at 140mph. you don't drive it that fast all the time out of courtesy to others on the road and you just knowing you shouldn't. you can. but you shouldn't.
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..... you're doing completely unnecessary stuff that you could do on your home computer with your home Internet without data cap worries.
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Sorry to burst your bubble about no data cap on home internet. I was issued a Notice that I exceeded my data usage cap with Cox Communications last month in San Diego (premier 25mbs/sec plan). I have 3 TVs all hooked up to either pandora, Netflix, Hulu +, or Playstation Network. (Normal computer web surfing as well).
But back on topic. The unlimited label should be removed as it borders on false advertisement.
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you're abusing it, though.
It's like when you go to events and there's free products and the booth is. unoccupied and there's a sign that says one per person, you're the person who opens up a bag and takes more than their fair share.
it's a lack of courtesy, is what it basically is.
pdanet and torrenting? you're doing completely unnecessary stuff that you could do on your home computer with your home Internet without data cap worries.
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Well sir im sorry for having something called work if you haven't heard of it yet. I do not have time do nothing else than sleep at home while working 16h shifts. That's why I do everything at work and they don't have wifi. Also if you haven't heard there is actually caps on home internet. Compacts has a 100-150gb cap and AT&T 300gb I think and its easy to go over it also. Trust me I have went over 350gb.
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But back on topic. The unlimited label should be removed as it borders on false advertisement.
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I tottaly agree with you. Plus how would they prove what you do on your phone? If they can that's a privacy issue right there. Its called unlimited for a reason.
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Well sir im sorry for having something called work if you haven't heard of it yet. I do not have time do nothing else than sleep at home while working 16h shifts. That's why I do everything at work and they don't have wifi. Also if you haven't heard there is actually caps on home internet. Compacts has a 100-150gb cap and AT&T 300gb I think and its easy to go over it also. Trust me I have went over 350gb.
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Trust me, if they did have wifi at your work, and you did that on a company network, you wouldn't be working there for long. Stop downloading illegal content. That's the only reason you are racking up that kind data usage.
If you meant Comcast when you said Compacts, they have a 250GB cap.
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I tottaly agree with you. Plus how would they prove what you do on your phone? If they can that's a privacy issue right there. Its called unlimited for a reason.
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It's not a privacy issue when the data usage is provided by them. You expect them not to know how much data you use? Also, if you are referring to tethering, they don't have to do anything but look at the information you actually agree to providing them to determine packet usage. Without packet usage you can have no data, and TTL (Time To Live) is a timestamp embedded in all data. When you use their service you freely agree to them knowing this in order to provide said service, and thus give them the authority to see what you are doing regarding packet hops.
And I thought I was an ass just for using 6GB. OP, you're ruining it for all of us. But that's bull crap that AT&T considers mirroring and the like "tethering." Is it also considered tethering to use Google Music with your car?
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Trust me, if they did have wifi at your work, and you did that on a company network, you wouldn't be working there for long. Stop downloading illegal content. That's the only reason you are racking up that kind data usage.
If you meant Comcast when you said Compacts, they have a 250GB
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if they did have wifi, they wouldn't care at all. I know. And comast has a 150gb cap on their base plan, 250gb on their higher plans.
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if they did have wifi, they wouldn't care at all. I know. And comast has a 150gb cap on their base plan, 250gb on their higher plans.
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Get better internet then.
I got the notice using my 5 GB a month tethering. To heck with AT&T! That being said, some of you guys are clearly abusing the system and deserve the consequences!
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Is there a new tethering policy in place? I read that it was 10 GB before they trottle you but recent artickes suggests it is in fact only 5 GB? When did this happen?
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I hit 10GB last month (don't ask; had to travel a lot and no free wifi access) but never experienced any throttling. I didn't go over by much, but I never got a message and a check on speedtest showed full throughput.
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Thanks for you input, now we know for sure. So, the changes is from 10 GB no throttling to 5 GB with throttling.
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Is there a new tethering policy in place? I read that it was 10 GB before they trottle you but recent artickes suggests it is in fact only 5 GB? When did this happen?
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Happens in 15 mins. 10/16/2010
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Happens in 15 mins. 10/16/2010
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Oh that suck, there goes the only thing good about TMO network.
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Oh that suck, there goes the only thing good about TMO network.
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What about the part where T-mobile doesn't charge more for going over the 5 gb cap?
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What about the part where T-mobile doesn't charge more for going over the 5 gb cap?
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Carrier should be doing that in the first place. A recent FCC ruling made it mandatory for ATT to warn the customer when they are about to go over the limit.
I know I will never use the 10 GB (even though the thread title is tethering limit, I actually do not tether), but having something that I used to have (paying for), ripped out of my hands just like that just doesn't feel good.
We don't have a tethering limit, you can blame those that do tether excessively for the reduction in the limit
I dont understand why T-mobile advertises its internet services as UNLIMITED when they pull stuff like this
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I dont understand why T-mobile advertises its internet services as UNLIMITED when they pull stuff like this
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It's been debated over many time, and I think the general census is that it is "Unlimited Access " but not "Unlimited Usage". You can access the internet when and where you want, which is the general idea.
From what I understand they don't bill you extra or turn you off, they just throttle you (slow you down) .
I saw the number as 5 gigs, kinda a reasonable number in my book. Even if you were tethering that is a big number if you just surfing and checking email. File sharing, big game downloads, and watching lots of videos would be the only way to hit that number.
Just my two cents
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It's been debated over many time, and I think the general census is that it is "Unlimited Access " but not "Unlimited Usage". You can access the internet when and where you want, which is the general idea.
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https://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans...-phone-plan&WT.z_unav=mst_shop_plans_internet
T-mobile clearly has Unlimited DATA per month (and 5gb for webConnect plan) so there is a clear distinction between unlimited and 5gb.
(ps. Please understand I am not arguing/getting mad at you, just at t-mobile for pulling this stuff)
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From what I understand they don't bill you extra or turn you off, they just throttle you (slow you down) .
I saw the number as 5 gigs, kinda a reasonable number in my book. Even if you were tethering that is a big number if you just surfing and checking email. File sharing, big game downloads, and watching lots of videos would be the only way to hit that number.
Just my two cents
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It is true, Ill probably never hit that 5gb (I lightly tether, probably, 5 hours a week). But I only tether because my justification is: my data plan costs more than my home internet plan ($30 vs $15) so I try to use it to its full extent. The market for mobile internet is ridiculous..
I swear, prices between data and text message plans is highway robbery. FCC should really do something (beneficial).
/vent
Its unlimited, just not full speed after 5gb.
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It is true, Ill probably never hit that 5gb (I lightly tether, probably, 5 hours a week). But I only tether because my justification is: my data plan costs more than my home internet plan ($30 vs $15) so I try to use it to its full extent. The market for mobile internet is ridiculous..
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Yea, I hear you there, between my wifes phone and my phone we drop alot on mobile internet, and I do tether when needed, but I by no means abuse it, I use about 200 megs a month, through tmoble. I use anywhere from 5 to 60 gigs through my home internet, comcast caps you at 250 gigs a month.
Both companys are just trying to hold up the abusers, file sharing is a major issue, (if I hit anywhere over 10 gigs at home it is because of file sharing)
The abusers are the issue, when one person uses as much as 200 other users it becomes an issue.
I don't agree with it, but I can totally see why they do it. It won't affect 99.99% of user's. And the ones that it does are probably doing things they aren't supposed to.
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Is there a new tethering policy in place? I read that it was 10 GB before they trottle you but recent artickes suggests it is in fact only 5 GB? When did this happen?
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I don't believe T-Mobile ever condoned the use of tethering on any of their devices.
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https://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans...-phone-plan&WT.z_unav=mst_shop_plans_internet
T-mobile clearly has Unlimited DATA per month (and 5gb for webConnect plan) so there is a clear distinction between unlimited and 5gb.
(ps. Please understand I am not arguing/getting mad at you, just at t-mobile for pulling this stuff)
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Pulling what stuff? This has been said before, T-Mobile will allow unlimited usage for their data plan, nothing states that they will not throttle your speeds. If it stated that they didn't in the past and then changed their minds then people would have room to gripe but that isn't the case. If you do not like their service then choose another cellular provider. I think Sprint offers unlimited 4g access when you pay the extra $20 or $25 on top of the fee for the data usage.
I called them abouta year ago when I started tethering on my g1 (of course I didn't tell them that) and they assured me that there is no such limit or charges. It ready is simply unlimited
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I called them abouta year ago when I started tethering on my g1 (of course I didn't tell them that) and they assured me that there is no such limit or charges. It ready is simply unlimited
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The call center reps are not qualified to make that distinction because of their lack of knowledge about the terms of agreement that you had to sign. They will tell you anything to make you happy, that is their job. This is not limited to T-Mobile of course. If you want to a definitive answer then just check your contract. It will state what restrictions there are for the data plan. I had to pull out the contract to make sure I followed the terms of agreement when I was messing with the firmware on a Clear modem they sent me so I could use it with my router and accidentally bricked the modem. I argued for 30 minutes with the rep for a new modem because she believed that messing with firmware for the modem constituted to abusive use of their devices without stating what is abusive use. She sounded pretty new to the job too.
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Pulling what stuff? This has been said before, T-Mobile will allow unlimited usage for their data plan, nothing states that they will not throttle your speeds. If it stated that they didn't in the past and then changed their minds then people would have room to gripe but that isn't the case. If you do not like their service then choose another cellular provider. I think Sprint offers unlimited 4g access when you pay the extra $20 or $25 on top of the fee for the data usage.
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Believe me, if most of my friends & family had AT&T, I would've jumped ship a longggg time ago (would've also been much happier & easier on the wallet with the 200mb $15 data plan).
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Believe me, if most of my friends & family had AT&T, I would've jumped ship a longggg time ago (would've also been much happier & easier on the wallet with the 200mb $15 data plan).
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Nothing is stopping you or your family and friends from changing providers. That is why there is a free market, don't like on service provider go to the next and so on and so forth. I am not trying to cause an argument, but the old adage, you can't have one's cake and eat it too, applies here.
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I swear, prices between data and text message plans is highway robbery. FCC should really do something (beneficial).
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They are not doing much because (which I just learned the other day) that taxes on cell phone usage (monthly plan) where I live is stunning 18%.
FCC probably want your bill to be as high as possible.
Now, this thread isn't really about tethering, I started because of the fact that T-mobile is reducing the amount from 10 GB to 5 GB. I understand the fair use policy so an artificial cap is fine with me, but don't lower the cap for everyone just because a few people are tethering to their phone, scale those who use more and charge them more.
Now, you might ask: If you never needed more bandwidth, why do you care?
There's distinction of being punished because you did something wrong yourself and there's being punished as a group because of someone else' mistake. If I can have 10 GB a month, I want to keep it at 10 GB a month irregardless of whether I used it up, it's the principle that counts: I signed up knowing there's 10 GB a month of bandwidth and it needs to stay that way.
Ok so I just got the evo and I'm I. Love I had a moment b4 this and the the pre and the moment was very disappointing but the evo defined did the trick for Mr any way I'm very new to this whole rooting and hacking so I don't kno to much info or where to go get the info I was wonder if there there was a way I could use the hotspot feature without paying 29.99 so if anyone has any info or can point me in the right direction that would be great thanks in advance
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You would need to root your phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Supersonic/Guides_&_Tutorials
Please read up on it before you actually do it. Read the stickies at the top of each forum.
I did this literally 5 minutes ago. I have all the recent updates, and used unrevoked.
http://unrevoked.com/recovery/
The whole process took less than 5 minutes.
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/downloads/list
Download that .apk, install and boom.
Thanks for the info fmedina2, im new to the evo and everything 2, but since the link is currently not working. If I root my phone is there a possibility my phone could break or not work properly?
Sprint really doesn't bust users for pulling down hotspot quantity data-activity without paying the $30/mo Mobile Hotspot fee ?
I put 2.1 back on my friend's phone. Now he gets to use the sprint hotspot for free. For some reason he doesn't like free tether, but I do.
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I put 2.1 back on my friend's phone. Now he gets to use the sprint hotspot for free. For some reason he doesn't like free tether, but I do.
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If you root then apply Calkulin's usb tether fix, it will also make the native Hotspot app work. The fix disables authentification for both wired and wireless tethering.
Personally, I think that the way these phones hog data out of the box that it would be hard for sprint accuse you of unauthrized tethering unless you were doing something like using the phone as your primary internrt connection.
I cancelled my comcast as soon as I got my evo. I've used it for XBOX live, webbrowsing during the day and leave it on to torrent over night. Sprint hasn't said anything to me.
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I cancelled my comcast as soon as I got my evo. I've used it for XBOX live, webbrowsing during the day and leave it on to torrent over night. Sprint hasn't said anything to me.
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This. I pushed upwards of 11GB worth of data in m first month with no hassle.
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I cancelled my comcast as soon as I got my evo. I've used it for XBOX live, webbrowsing during the day and leave it on to torrent over night. Sprint hasn't said anything to me.
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This. I pushed upwards of 11GB worth of data in m first month with no hassle.
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Please, stop. You people are why we're going to lose unlimited bandwidth.
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Please, stop. You people are why we're going to lose unlimited bandwidth.
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You're absolutely right. I'm rooted, and CAN tether for free, but I pay the $29.99 anyway because it's the right thing to do. If you are using it for a lot of data (your main connection), you should pay for it.
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I cancelled my comcast as soon as I got my evo. I've used it for XBOX live, webbrowsing during the day and leave it on to torrent over night. Sprint hasn't said anything to me.
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if you do ghetto things like that, you'll live just that kind of life.
good luck with that...
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This. I pushed upwards of 11GB worth of data in m first month with no hassle.
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Get ready for tiered data plans.
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Hahaha you should pay for it? Why because they tell you too? Hey simple man root your phone thru unrevoked(easy as hell) then use pdanet or caulkins method or flash a rom that has it already integrated.
Hey your paying an extra $10 for extra bandwith so use it. Why pay $40 more now to stream on your phone..hey AT&T is 15 a month for dsl a year...so it may be right but it ain't smart..... Also I believe unlimited bandwith is for aircards and not for wireless. There is a thread discussing that. At the end of the day too each his own....
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Get ready for tiered data plans.
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The reason I came to Sprint is because they allow it, and every rep I've talked to knows this. What good is the ability to push unlimited data (which, please, most people here can burn 11GB in a day, let alone a month) if you're morally restricted to limiting yourself to the competition's tiers anyways? Sprint's angle against the Big Two has been unlimited data for a long time now, and they're not going to switch it. If they do, I can promise you that the reason is NOT some guy using PDANet and watching a lot of streaming football while he's at work.
My 2 cents: our ten dollar a month 4g fee....covers truly unlimited data, at least that's how sprint justifies it. Even though I have used upwards of 9 gigs without ever touching tether. 10 or 15 is not that bad, imo.tiered plans are a scare tactic . Att feels the pain of that already. Hardcore users have started jumping ship now that they realize 2 gigs is nothing the more they use their phones.
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My 2 cents: our ten dollar a month 4g fee....covers truly unlimited data, at least that's how sprint justifies it. Even though I have used upwards of 9 gigs without ever touching tether. 10 or 15 is not that bad, imo.tiered plans are a scare tactic . Att feels the pain of that already. Hardcore users have started jumping ship now that they realize 2 gigs is nothing the more they use their phones.
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You're right in that 2GB really is nothing nowadays. Sprint offers On Demand television, live sporting events, and devices with screens big enough to actually utilize these things; and when Netflix comes to Android, do they really think users will stay within 2-5GB?
Even without Netflix or tethering, Evo can burn through caps like noone's business on push alone. The phone was built and marketed as a multimedia powerhouse - stream HD, refresh your FriendStream every 15 minutes, push the news, get your email, upload huge photos from your 8MP cam, all within a few swipes.
It makes sense for Sprint to cap the non-premium data users, and just use that as an incentive to make $10/mo from that many more customers. But seriously, companies really should start focusing on making the network's capacities better - not limiting the consumer.
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I second that!!
We aren't losing unlimited bandwidth. We pay extra for not having 4G in our areas aka a 'richer data experience'.
This is that richer data experience. Tether it up.
According to this article from wired, ATT is starting to crack down on people who've jailbroken and have been tethering their data connection.
I've been using BigBoss' TetherMe to tether my iphone to my XOOM for a few weeks. I've been using it sparingly and haven't seen any harassing emails/texts from ATT. Just wondering if anybody else out there has seen or received a notice from ATT.
wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/03/att-tethering/
Ouch yea saw this on engadget, too.
The article said there that if you don't reply, they're simply going to sign up your account for the $45/mo. 4GB Data Pro Tethering plan.
I too saw this on engadget. I tether with my android sometimes, using a built in hotspot feature that came with the cooked rom. Does anyone know how ATT is finding out that ppl tether w/o a tether plan or is this just isolated to iOS right now?
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Yeah I'm curious as to how far in depth AT&T tracks your usage on the phone. I'm not sure how much privacy we're entitled to on their network, probably none?
It's quite simple. I saw one of the iPhone user posted that his monthly data usage is 167GB. It doesn't take a genious to figure that one out.
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It's quite simple. I saw one of the iPhone user posted that his monthly data usage is 167GB. It doesn't take a genious to figure that one out.
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geez wth they're downloading?
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geez wth they're downloading?
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He's using tethering as his only way of broadband connection at home. Ppl like this spoiled things for everyone else. I'm not sure if what AT&T did is fact a good thing for rest of us.
i use my phone as my home broadband too. Only cause I can only get 56k where I live and refuse to pay for such ****. I only use about 5-7/8 gigs a month though, and I even use it for work. So this guy must be doing a lot of movie downloading or something. I didn't even think my iPhone could use that much data in a month even if i surfed nonstop for the whole month.
That is a lot, he must be doing some kind of gaming through his phone.
So far I haven't received anything from At&t and hope it stays that way.
You should be fine. Ppl who got the notice so far seem to be the ones who are really abusing it and the monthly usage makes it easy for AT&T to spot.
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Yeah I'm curious as to how far in depth AT&T tracks your usage on the phone. I'm not sure how much privacy we're entitled to on their network, probably none?
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Doubt you're entitled to any privacy, but I too am wondering how they would ever figure out what the difference is between sites visited on your phone, and sites visited through your phone on your DC.
But yes, I bet they just sent it out to anyone with more than 15gb or so of usage per month, because that would be tough to do if you weren't tethering.
I personally don't pay for tethering on T-mobile, and only use it when I need it out and about, and i've never been noticed about it. But they're a bit different, and throttle you after about ~5GB anyways so it doesn't really matter.
Like I said, if you're on a limited cap plan (aka 2gb or 4gb), then why wouldn't you be able to use your data however you want? if you hit your cap and are aware of the overage charges or data cuts, what's the problem??
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Like I said, if you're on a limited cap plan (aka 2gb or 4gb), then why wouldn't you be able to use your data however you want? if you hit your cap and are aware of the overage charges or data cuts, what's the problem??
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So far all those got caught are on 'unlimited' plan.
they are using apples built in usage monitor to detect tethering, the iphone has always been set to monitor what apps use data and how much, and reporting back to the mother ship, now att is using that to see who is tethering via apps, and sending it out, if you haven't gotten your notification yet, you will, they are doing it in waves of a random assortment of heavy, medium, and light users of the illegal tethering.
How many did you use?
The past 3 months I have an average of 22 gigs per month used on my Rogers bill. I got a promotional 3 months of unlimited data.
To test how unlimited it really was I stopped using my laptop and only used my Atrix for EVERYTHING! Having tha lapdock made that easy. Torrents, videos, browsing, streaming online radio. Anything that could use data.
According to 2 reps at Rogers its the most they have ever seen. Makes me proud! haha
i'm sure your fellow rogers customers would like to graciously thank you for HOGGING bandwidth just because you can. congratulations.
That's not TOO much...Last month I used about 15 GB on my Atrix, only tethered a few times when necessary plus my normal usage. I've heard of some ridiculous people, however, that have managed to use 60+ GB of data in a month. AT&T promptly told him to stop using that much or else he would be cut off completely.
This its the first month I've broken 500 MB....usually around 350. 22GB...damn.
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I've yet to go above 50mb/month. Partially because there's wifi most of the places I go, and partially because I use Opera Mini with images set to low quality when there's not. I wouldn't even have a data plan if AT&T allowed me to go without one.
You grandfather'ed unlimited users are lucky. I know I'm always going to be terrified of using my phone away from wifi no matter what my cap is.
And people wonder why providers want to cap and throttle our usage. Thanks a lot a$$holes.
10 gb last month...about to hit another 10 his month. No tethering.
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And people wonder why providers want to cap and throttle our usage. Thanks a lot a$$holes.
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You're not an asshole if you use 15 gigs the legit way man.
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And people wonder why providers want to cap and throttle our usage. Thanks a lot a$$holes.
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Yeah, it certainly isn't because they want to do as little as possible to improve their infrastructure to support such amounts of data properly.
Not to be rude, but there's a lot more to the situation than what the carriers are trying to make us think of it. If theres something to be blamed, its the lack of any real competition, not users using a network in completely expected (on a consumer level) ways. If their contract says unlimited, then they get unlimited. End of discussion.
Back when I had T-Mobile with unlimited data plan I used to push just how far I could go with it. I would tether and download huge files constantly. They didn't seem to care, but then again, their speeds don't match what im getting now on at&t
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Yeah, it certainly isn't because they want to do as little as possible to improve their infrastructure to support such amounts of data properly.
Not to be rude, but there's a lot more to the situation than what the carriers are trying to make us think of it. If theres something to be blamed, its the lack of any real competition, not users using a network in completely expected (on a consumer level) ways. If their contract says unlimited, then they get unlimited. End of discussion.
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Can I buy you beer?
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Hell, i thought that using 1.5 gigs was a lot...
mobile data is now crack for the masses and the carriers are holding all the crack. the biggest and smallest crack dealers are trying to merge. just what gsm needs in america. a global standard with no competition. if i wasn't getting a decent discount because of my employer i probably wouldn't have data, and they did away with discounts on text, and are fixing to give us the option of all or nothing. and then they whine about we're not making enough profit, say their infrastructure is great and fast, shove 3g+ down our throats as 4g and the guys in red are considering putting android on the backburner for apples.
I use 2gigs a month only because its my cap... and I have to force myself to be conservative at times... wish I had unlimited data. Back when I was with Verizon I'd do about 10gigs a month
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Glad to know I won't be in the top 5% of unlimited users to get throttled! =)
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I never used it
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You're not an asshole if you use 15 gigs the legit way man.
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Yeah but the guy saying he used 22gb was also downloading torrents! And just pushing it. I understand that it is unlimited data but shouldn't abuse it because of it. Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely hate it that carriers are limiting the data. But it really is people like this that drove them to that. I mean can you imagine if the other 95% of data subscribers also tried using 22gb or even the 15gb stated? I doubt any wireless network in the world can maintain stability under such demands.
The most I've done was 10 gigs. No tethering.. it was all streaming music with rhapsody and movies with subsonic. I can see doing 20 gb if I streamed movies all the time. I currently average about 4 now
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I for one do not mind in the slightest when users push the boundary of practical usage. If every att data subscriber stayed clear within the norm of data usage, and no one strayed beyond it, where is the motive for a carrier to expand or increase the network capability, or offer larger data plans or better rates? (hypothetically, of course.) I'm a 500mb per month user myself, however if I could hit such usage without the autonomous fees, I certainly would. I respect the heavy user! Besides, a handful of people using such data amounts are not affecting the majority of 98,000,000 MILLION USERS.
Life much???
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In the last few days Tmo has been redirecting me to buy that stupid hotspot service when i try to hot spot my work computer. I tried Clockworkmod's tether app, and got the same ****. Im in the process of downloading CM9's nightly, im hoping when i flash ill be back to getting what i pay for.
But if it doesnt, and since its a redirect i doubt flashing a rom will help, does anyone know how to get around it?
I dont understand why yu want to get it free. You are allowing your phone to give internet access to multiple devices thereby increasing bandwidth usage compared to how much youd overall use by accessing data services on your phone alone (hence throttling)Explain how it should be free?.
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You can get the five gigs plus tether for thirty bucks. Quit being cheap. Compared to other carriers we have it good.
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Having to work for tmobile is awesome . Having a dealer line and unlimited data access is amazing. I'm just happy
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I dont understand why yu want to get it free. You are allowing your phone to give internet access to multiple devices thereby increasing bandwidth usage compared to how much youd overall use by accessing data services on your phone alone (hence throttling)Explain how it should be free?.
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Im already paying for data plan permonth. I shouldnt have to pay for it twice. Having to pay for tethering is a straight up money grab, i dont care how cool Tmo is (and they are a great company), i dont think i should have to pay twice for the data im already using and paying for.
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Im already paying for data plan permonth. I shouldnt have to pay for it twice. Having to pay for tethering is a straight up money grab, i dont care how cool Tmo is (and they are a great company), i dont think i should have to pay twice for the data im already using and paying for.
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So if you have 2 phones on your account you should only have to pay for data on one if them but get it on both? By your logic that would be the same thing...
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Data is data. Who cares, other than providers, where it's going?
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You can get the five gigs plus tether for thirty bucks. Quit being cheap. Compared to other carriers we have it good.
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I tether fine with my 5gig data plan without getting any hotpost messages
On the 5GB and 10GB plans, you can get tethering for free. One of the things I love about Tmo.
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So if you have 2 phones on your account you should only have to pay for data on one if them but get it on both? By your logic that would be the same thing...
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If he has unlimited data yes. If a customer has a 2gb hspa+ and unlimited edge after, who cares whether it's his phone or comp using the data? Charging for tethering is just charging for the service not the data. And considering a simple free app can do that service why should he pay extra?
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Data is data. Ones and zeros are ones and zeros. Im paying for ones and zeros. Not to mention i rarely use tethering at all, i just want it handy for that "every once in a while." $15 a month doesnt constitute that. Nor does it constitute using one of them "shared" bull **** that is $15 a month just to enable my phone to do it and use up the same data pool. Its a money grab and i refuse to pay for it.
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Data is data. Who cares, other than providers, where it's going?
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This is right. You are already paying for your 2GBs, you should be able to use it as you want. Because at the end of the day, your going to get throttled once you hit your limit.
so even if your using just your phone, or a hotspot the data you use with the devices don't change.
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If I'm not browsing on my laptop then I'm just going to pick up my phone and do it that way. How does that allow me to use an unfair amount? Data limits are still in place on my "unlimited" line.
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In the last few days Tmo has been redirecting me to buy that stupid hotspot service when i try to hot spot my work computer. I tried Clockworkmod's tether app, and got the same ****. Im in the process of downloading CM9's nightly, im hoping when i flash ill be back to getting what i pay for.
But if it doesnt, and since its a redirect i doubt flashing a rom will help, does anyone know how to get around it?
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T-Mobile didn't "figure you out" - most tethering is easily detectable. It's a matter of "does T-Mobile care enough to do anything about it?" ... Until recently, that answer was no.
The information to get around T-Mobile's tethering detection is available in this forum (read: search for it). I'll give you a hint: the user agent gives you away.
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I dont understand why yu want to get it free. You are allowing your phone to give internet access to multiple devices thereby increasing bandwidth usage compared to how much youd overall use by accessing data services on your phone alone (hence throttling)Explain how it should be free?.
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Do you own Tmobile stock?! What difference does it make? You know some of us are irritated that we are paying for unlimited data with at&t and we aren't able to tether our laptops every once in awhile. I have no need for tethering 95% of the time. But when I'm on the road and I need to check something on a flash website it is nice to be able to use my laptop. I shouldn't have to lose unlimited data AND have my data bill go up 66% just because I need to tether 15 times a year. You know if they said hey if you are going to be traveling pay us $5 and we will let you tether for a month I would say fine.
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Do you own Tmobile stock?! What difference does it make? You know some of us are irritated that we are paying for unlimited data with at&t and we aren't able to tether our laptops every once in awhile. I have no need for tethering 95% of the time. But when I'm on the road and I need to check something on a flash website it is nice to be able to use my laptop. I shouldn't have to lose unlimited data AND have my data bill go up 66% just because I need to tether 15 times a year. You know if they said hey if you are going to be traveling pay us $5 and we will let you tether for a month I would say fine.
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I used to get the nasty emails from Ma Bell until I started using USB exclusively and Opera browser (uses a proxy). Ever since then, I've never gotten another one.
Seriously just pay for it with tmo.. Its like the people that pirate apk's... its a couple bucks for those and its like, why waste the time?
You "righteous" dudes are missing the point. I totally understand what the OP is saying. If I'm already paying for a certain amount of data, who gives a damn HOW it is used. In the end I'm STILL using the amount of data I paid for. Nothing more, nothing less. Charging for that is just like double billing in my opinion. These providers will do ANYTHING to milk more money out of the consumer.
Tmob is a business, not a non profit orginization. it's not like charging for the service is done just to "rob" consumers, if it wasn't for everyone expecting everything for free I think technological advancements would be in a completely different place. We only hinder ourselves with our sense of entitlement. I get the point of only tethering so often, but again, few ruin it for the many and use their phone as a modem for Netflix. Too bad it's in our nature to exploit everything. Just sayin
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Tmob is a business, not a non profit orginization. it's not like charging for the service is done just to "rob" consumers, if it wasn't for everyone expecting everything for free I think technological advancements would be in a completely different place. We only hinder ourselves with our sense of entitlement. I get the point of only tethering so often, but again, few ruin it for the many and use their phone as a modem for Netflix. Too bad it's in our nature to exploit everything. Just sayin
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I do not believe issues such as this to be an unwarranted sense of entitlement. I have been an "unlimited" data user at At&T since 2005 - back when tethering was included in data. It was so little an issue back then I once called AT&T to ask for help setting up my Blackberry 7100.
For me to continue using my phone to tether win I switched to an iPhone, they tried to upsell me to a tethering plan, and the same when I briefly used a focus. I told them then, and I will tell them now, that as long as the plan that we BOTH agreed to regarding my ToS say that tethering is indeed included in my data plan - its not an entitlement, it is a right protected by the contract I had to sign while buying my beloved 8125.
The OP's individual situation may be different than this - but in all reality, if there is no abuse of the data caps on the users end - charging extra for tethering is in really bad taste from any of the carriers. It is NOT a service that they provide - it's a well established feature withing operating systems of the phones they sell. If that is unacceptable to them, then stop selling smartphones and go back to series Nokia 6125's. Then offer the 3g/4g hotspots as their own service so there is no longer a redundancy between smartphones and hotspots. Charging for both is just plain stupid.
Especially if the data plan I pay for has more than covered the data I use. I tether my laptop and tablet once or twice a week, and have not come close to the 5GB "softcap". If I'm not going over my limit, Who the heck are you to tell me I'm abusing the network? Leave me alone and go bother the jerk who's torrenting 720p movies on Friday night.