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Has there been any progress finding and implementing the latest Snapdragon DSP and kernel venc/vdec drivers for the HD2?
Although there is some work on greatly improved Adreno 200 drivers for other phones (with identical innards), the above items are a bit different. These allow us to use our phones to their full potential by letting us capture AND play 720p video, and use much better compression formats. Currently, Winmo supports HE-AAC (AAC+) like the iPod and practically all other smartphones, but Android on the HD2 does not support the full 44.1khz (so it sounds like an old tape recording). Similarly, the stock video player (HW decoding) does not support B-frames or higher resolutions, even though the chipset is fully capable of decoding this (it's on the whitesheet, too).
With all of the development and modification surrounding the HD2, it's very strange that nobody has found a way to even make it perform as its hardware intended.
(And this is above and beyond the 262k colors the screen technically supports but we can't use (?), and the "true" multitouch which may not actually be limited to 2-point gestures like older spec sheets claimed, etc etc).
Hi,
probably most of you know a long discussion in many threads about issues with video playback that Xoom/Honeycomb/Tegra 2 has.
Some of you say it is in the hardware some of you say it is just a software... so far none of the comapnies involved had confirmed anything either way.
But... I found this news.... what do you think?
http://androidcommunity.com/ainol-h...ps-display-huge-1080p-codec-support-20110321/
Ainol may be better known for their Full HD capable PMPs, but the company is turning to Android 3.0 Honeycomb and a proper tablet. According to some teaser spec pages, the so-far unnamed slate will have a 1280 x 800 IPS capacitive touchscreen display and run a SoChip Cortex-A9 processor.
They’re impressive specs, given tablets with IPS displays – such as the iPad 2 – are in relatively short supply. 1080p HD support is promised, with a fair amount of codec compatibility as well: MKV, AVI, WMV, H.264, XviD and MPEG.
Considering one the continued shortcomings of Android is its patchy media support out of the box, that could be enough to earn the Ainol slate a niche of its own. Pricing, screen size, release dates and other specs are still unknown at this stage.
They can say whatever, but bring it on
Really?
You mean OLD codecs/containers?
AVI now is typical just DivX which is really just another H.264 (which is already supported) As DivX runs nativity on my Droid X so I am sure it is a licensing issue on the Xoom.
Xvid, is just another DivX without the licensing issues
MPEG 1 and 2 Seriously you are excited about that?
WMV another old container we really should be moving away from as it is the MS version of MPEG-4 part 2. Now if the devices supported VC-1 MS containers that would be a bit exciting.
Now granted not having to convert everything would be nice but if people would just rip H.264/AVC in the first place life would just be easier IMO. I would be more exited about seeing more/better WebM encoders out there (which your Xoom also supports nativity)
Why won't any other company use IPS displays. If some company that I've never heard of (that I'm assuming just isn't popular here) can, then why cant Samsung or Motorola?
Eclair~ said:
Why won't any other company use IPS displays. If some company that I've never heard of (that I'm assuming just isn't popular here) can, then why cant Samsung or Motorola?
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Here is a well known maker coming out with an IPS display and more:
http://tablets-planet.com/2011/03/2...er-android-3-0-tablet-first-launch-in-3-days/
the issue with the tegra 2 as i know it is with playing high profile H.264, ive confirmed this with the notion ink Adam (i had for about a week)
i preordered the xoom and ill test when i get it but from what ive read its the same issue.
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Why won't any other company use IPS displays. If some company that I've never heard of (that I'm assuming just isn't popular here) can, then why cant Samsung or Motorola?
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Even worse, you have "cheap" tablets like the Nook Color rolling out with IPS goodness. With devices like these, where there isn't one normal way to view the screen, high quality panels like IPS should be the norm. It really is crappy that companies are still cheaping out on some of the most important parts (viewsonic G-Tab, and Archos....)
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-tab/GT-P7310MAAXAR-specs
1080p playback, 3GP, MP4, AVI, WMV, FLV, MKV (Codec: MPEG4, H.263, Sorenson H.263, H.264, VC-1, XviD)
Why can this play back all these when the 10.1 can't?
This blows. Tegra2 is old news anyway.
Im gonna sell my 10.1 and get the quad core version anyway.
The "old" tab 8.9 also has a tegra2 processor.
The new one that should come out next year has an OMAP4 1.4 ghz procssor.
Interestingly, the list of formats of the 10.1 is also similarly long:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-tab/GT-P7510UWYXAB-specs
When they write some format is supported, don't take it for granted.
And even if it is supported, one format often has multiple sub formats.
Please also differentiate video container format (a file with a certain suffix that usually wraps video and audio together, sometimes also adding subtitles or chapters) and video codec (the format of the video or audio stream itself that is embedded in the file).
For instance h264 avc video is generally supported, but when it is in high resolution (720p or larger) only a subset of encodings, generally wrapped up with the name "base profile" are supported.
This is a limitation of the tegra2 chipset.
Other chipset like that used with OMA4 supports a more wider range. Also, tegra3 should fix this limitation.
Its really a complex area.
Is there a certain format or video that does no play for you?
If so please report which (in as much detail as possible)....
All you need to know is that Tegra 2 has very poor video playback support.
I'll probably never buy a Tegra based stuff again, considering how poor tegra 2 is. Also ICS will be OMAP native so expect slow update on tegra devices.
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Oh my god! Can you believe that this new thing is better than the old thing? I mean, I'll never buy old things again! It's new all the way for me from here on!
Wait, are you saying that the new thing got old? Why did I buy this old thing? I need the new thing! They tricked me by saying it was new!
And over, and over, and over...
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All you need to know is that Tegra 2 has very poor video playback support.
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Really? I have 2TB of MKV files all remux'd with their original frame rates and resolution. Other than the occasional frame drop, all have played well. This includes 1080p Blu-Ray movies. I copy files off my TiVo's which end up as MP2's and they all play fine as well. I stream using PlayOn and Plex and haven't had any issues there either. I bought a ton of stuff on MediaHub during the $.01 sale and they played beautifully. YouTube works fine which many complain about which is surprising considering we're all using the same hardware and software. I just watched the Twilight Next Dawn trailer full-screen in HD and there wasn't even a frame drop.
There are two components to effective video playback - hardware and software. Samsung does an incredible job with the drivers for the latter which is why if you look at the Tab vs. any other Tegra device in a video comparison it kicks ass. Some of you having video playback issues may want to look at your content and wireless connections. I had a Qualcomm-based Jetstream and returned it after a week because it absolutely sucked at video playback and wasn’t usable at all with any of the streaming apps. I’m guessing its epic fail was based on the HTC software and drivers. OMAP is next up and Samsung may use Exynos in future tablets. Until then, this is about as good as it gets.
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Oh my god! Can you believe that this new thing is better than the old thing? I mean, I'll never buy old things again! It's new all the way for me from here on!
Wait, are you saying that the new thing got old? Why did I buy this old thing? I need the new thing! They tricked me by saying it was new!
And over, and over, and over...
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^^^^^
This.
Those of you looking for future-proof in any first generation device, good luck.
BarryH_GEG said:
Really? I have 2TB of MKV files all remux'd with their original frame rates and resolution. Other than the occasional frame drop, all have played well. This includes 1080p Blu-Ray movies. I copy files off my TiVo's which end up as MP2's and they all play fine as well. I stream using PlayOn and Plex and haven't had any issues there either. I bought a ton of stuff on MediaHub during the $.01 sale and they played beautifully. YouTube works fine which many complain about which is surprising considering we're all using the same hardware and software. I just watched the Twilight Next Dawn trailer full-screen in HD and there wasn't even a frame drop.
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So, a high-profile L4.1 1080p video (MKV or even MP4) file play perfectly on your Tegra 2 Galaxy Tab 10.1 via the stock video player or any other good 3rd party video player? That's the first time I've heard of the Tegra 2 being able to do so.
I read on samsung page Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 have Bluetooth 3.0.
But Tegra 2 chipset don´t have Bluetooth 3.0.
It is false of Samsung (itwas same with 10.1) and they dont know their own product or it have another processor?
LTE version Galaxy Tab 8.9 will have 1,5 Ghz Exynos processor (and micro sd slot).
If normal wersion will be have exynos(1,2 Ghz) too, I will be happy(for 1080p high profile playback)
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I read on samsung page Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 have Bluetooth 3.0.
But Tegra 2 chipset don´t have Bluetooth 3.0.
It is false of Samsung (itwas same with 10.1) and they dont know their own product or it have another processor?
LTE version Galaxy Tab 8.9 will have 1,5 Ghz Exynos processor (and micro sd slot).
If normal wersion will be have exynos(1,2 Ghz) too, I will be happy(for 1080p high profile playback)
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WTF are you talking about? The bluetooth subsystem has nothing to do with the CPU.
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So, a high-profile L4.1 1080p video (MKV or even MP4) file play perfectly on your Tegra 2 Galaxy Tab 10.1 via the stock video player or any other good 3rd party video player? That's the first time I've heard of the Tegra 2 being able to do so.
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From what he wrote it sounds like the videos are converted on the fly when he copies them - and that will probably be in a format that tegra2 can handle.
If not then the original video is already in base profile because tegra2 defenitively can't handle 1080p high profile.
Baseline: some 1080p videos play, some don't - that guy probably just got lucky and did not run into formats it can't handle...
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Really? I have 2TB of MKV files all remux'd with their original frame rates and resolution. Other than the occasional frame drop, all have played well. This includes 1080p Blu-Ray movies. I copy files off my TiVo's which end up as MP2's and they all play fine as well. I stream using PlayOn and Plex and haven't had any issues there either. I bought a ton of stuff on MediaHub during the $.01 sale and they played beautifully. YouTube works fine which many complain about which is surprising considering we're all using the same hardware and software. I just watched the Twilight Next Dawn trailer full-screen in HD and there wasn't even a frame drop.
There are two components to effective video playback - hardware and software. Samsung does an incredible job with the drivers for the latter which is why if you look at the Tab vs. any other Tegra device in a video comparison it kicks ass. Some of you having video playback issues may want to look at your content and wireless connections. I had a Qualcomm-based Jetstream and returned it after a week because it absolutely sucked at video playback and wasn’t usable at all with any of the streaming apps. I’m guessing its epic fail was based on the HTC software and drivers. OMAP is next up and Samsung may use Exynos in future tablets. Until then, this is about as good as it gets.
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Can you post what apps/components you use for video playback? I am trying to compile a thread with information how to stream media wirelessly to TAB
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1268725
What I need is
1) What DLNA app you use on TAB? AllShare? uPNp?
2) Do you do special encoding for mkv?
3) How do you stream?
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WTF are you talking about? The bluetooth subsystem has nothing to do with the CPU.
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I am not talking about cpu, but chipset. Or you know some tegra 2 devices on market, which have Bluetooth 3.0?
cryingfreeman22 said:
I am not talking about cpu, but chipset. Or you know some tegra 2 devices on market, which have Bluetooth 3.0?
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The international Tab's have 3.0.
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/tablets/tablets/GT-P7510FKDXEU-spec
It also comes with AllShare (DLNA). I'm getting a 3G from the UK and am using a U.S. Wi-Fi right now. I'll post what other differences I find when I get it in two weeks.
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cnewsgrp said:
Can you post what apps/components you use for video playback? I am trying to compile a thread with information how to stream media wirelessly to TAB
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1268725
What I need is
1) What DLNA app you use on TAB? AllShare? uPNp?
2) Do you do special encoding for mkv?
3) How do you stream?
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1) - I don't stream "from" any of my mobile devices. I run a home server and it's easier to keep all my content there and then stream "to" the device(s) when I want to view or display content. The only content trapped on my phone are things downloaded through MediaHub. But anything in MediaHub is available elsewhere if I wanted to watch it on a big screen.
2) - I use DVDFab and have for years. It has its own codecs which work well but I use it with CoreAVC. I think the quality of encoded files makes a huge difference in playback and is probably the root issue for people having problems. They have a free trial if people want to compare it to what they're currently using.
3) - I have a Netgear N750 which is a fairly new high-end router. It reaches everywhere in my three story house without the need for a repeater. I have home theatre PC's attached to my main TVs via Wi-Fi and use them to display content off the server. Most of the time, I access my content while away from home. Plex is my main server/client and it does a fantastic job streaming to mobile devices - even over 3G. I also use PlayOn for accessing Hulu and network TV content. It too works really well over 3G. It has a new feature "PlayLater" that lets you store Hulu and network content (including Netflix movies) locally for playback any time. Both do a great job of transcoding on the fly which is why they work so well in a low-bandwidth and low-processing power environment.
Personally, any phone or tablet is under powered to be an effective media server. Maybe great for videos and pics recorded on the device, but anything else is a stretch until the hardware improves.
cryingfreeman22 said:
I am not talking about cpu, but chipset. Or you know some tegra 2 devices on market, which have Bluetooth 3.0?
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Tegra2 doesn't have a specified chipset, even for Bluetooth. It will work with any Bluetooth HCI device that talks UART, USB, or SDIO.
And why do you care about 3.0? There aren't really any practical advantages. I still have yet to see anything on the market that supports high speed mode.
I am now using my new galaxy s2 with the exenyos processor and it really makes the tegra 2 processor in my gtab.10.1 feel like it is a slug. From day one I never really thought the tegra 2 felt any faster than the single core hummingbird processor in my galaxy s original. I guess the magazine reviewers overhyped it, the graphics is pitiful compared to the original galaxy s and now the s2.
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BarryH_GEG said:
The international Tab's have 3.0.
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/tablets/tablets/GT-P7510FKDXEU-spec
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So then Samsung pages dont know their own product, because GT-P7510/M16 have in real only Bluetooth 2.1.
Ok this seems on same false, Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 will be have Tegra 2 and Bluetooth 2.1.
BarryH_GEG said:
The international Tab's have 3.0.
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/tablets/tablets/GT-P7510FKDXEU-spec
It also comes with AllShare (DLNA). I'm getting a 3G from the UK and am using a U.S. Wi-Fi right now. I'll post what other differences I find when I get it in two weeks.
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1) - I don't stream "from" any of my mobile devices. I run a home server and it's easier to keep all my content there and then stream "to" the device(s) when I want to view or display content. The only content trapped on my phone are things downloaded through MediaHub. But anything in MediaHub is available elsewhere if I wanted to watch it on a big screen.
2) - I use DVDFab and have for years. It has its own codecs which work well but I use it with CoreAVC. I think the quality of encoded files makes a huge difference in playback and is probably the root issue for people having problems. They have a free trial if people want to compare it to what they're currently using.
3) - I have a Netgear N750 which is a fairly new high-end router. It reaches everywhere in my three story house without the need for a repeater. I have home theatre PC's attached to my main TVs via Wi-Fi and use them to display content off the server. Most of the time, I access my content while away from home. Plex is my main server/client and it does a fantastic job streaming to mobile devices - even over 3G. I also use PlayOn for accessing Hulu and network TV content. It too works really well over 3G. It has a new feature "PlayLater" that lets you store Hulu and network content (including Netflix movies) locally for playback any time. Both do a great job of transcoding on the fly which is why they work so well in a low-bandwidth and low-processing power environment.
Personally, any phone or tablet is under powered to be an effective media server. Maybe great for videos and pics recorded on the device, but anything else is a stretch until the hardware improves.
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Thanks I posted your comments in my thread. Appreciate your feedback.
cryingfreeman22 said:
So then Samsung pages dont know their own product, because GT-P7510/M16 have in real only Bluetooth 2.1.
Ok this seems on same false, Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 will be have Tegra 2 and Bluetooth 2.1.
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Hrm, why does it have a Bluetooth 4.0 chip in it?
http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/...53&tag=thumbnail-view-selector;get-photo-roto
cbpagent72 said:
I am now using my new galaxy s2 with the exenyos processor and it really makes the tegra 2 processor in my gtab.10.1 feel like it is a slug. From day one I never really thought the tegra 2 felt any faster than the single core hummingbird processor in my galaxy s original. I guess the magazine reviewers overhyped it, the graphics is pitiful compared to the original galaxy s and now the s2.
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I have a SGS2 also and had a G2X which was Tegra. You can't compare a phone and a tablet. The SoC is pushing 800x480 to a 4.3" screen on a phone and 1024x768 on a 10" screen on a tablet. That's why phones with the new qHD displays benchmark below their predecessors. No doubt the Exynos would perform better than the Tegra but your not going to see the same performance you're getting on your SGS2.
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cryingfreeman22 said:
So then Samsung pages dont know their own product, because GT-P7510/M16 have in real only Bluetooth 2.1.
Ok this seems on same false, Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 will be have Tegra 2 and Bluetooth 2.1.
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Where's your Tab from? The model numbering system is the same worldwide but there are regional differences. The U.S. versions have 2.1 and it says so on the Samsung U.S. website.
I am from Europe and there SGT 10.1 have also Bluetooth 2.1.
But before start sales SGT 10.1 in USA(June) us samsung mobile says it have BT 3.0. After one week they correct this. Now it seems same with SGT 8.9.
Since the MHL Cable and Adreno GPU chip both supports 1080P (as evidenced by video playback), it would be a great benefit if it could also be used for Remote / Virtual Desktops (ie: PocketCloud) to link to remote PCs capable of 1920X1080.
This would allow the S3 to serve as a thin client between a 1080 TV and a remote PC.
Would it be possible to use the 1080 resolution for programs such as Pocket Cloud?
The international S3 does have a Mali GPU and not an Adreno !
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Check this sticky, work out which phone you have and which is the right forum section, then report this thread or PM me and I will move it there.
Aren't we missing the point much?
As far as I know, both Mali and Adreno GPUs should be capable of 1080P output via MHL. I'm not sure why people are dwelling on this minor detail, when the actual point is obviously regarding 1080P desktop output.
Any limitation should be due to software.
Do you people here not care about 1080P desktop output?
klau1 said:
Aren't we missing the point much?
As far as I know, both Mali and Adreno GPUs should be capable of 1080P output via MHL. I'm not sure why people are dwelling on this minor detail, when the actual point is obviously regarding 1080P desktop output.
Any limitation should be due to software.
Do you people here not care about 1080P desktop output?
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Believe it or not, and this might come as a shock to you, I know, but not everyone wants to use a phone as a virtual thin client...at least not in the immediate future of the smartphone evolution. Maybe when laptops, nettops, and tablets die out and converge with smartphone will we see the thin client integration in smartphones. Have a great day, ol' Chap!
Still would be a cool thing to show off on vacation at the hotel's HD TV with friends.
Hello.
this is my first time creating a new thread, so please bear with me if it comes off as a bit noobish.
i recently purchased an android mobile called UMI Zero. here are some specs for it:
OS Android 4.4
CPU 2.0GHz, Octa-Core, 28nm HPM
GPU ARM Mali-450MP4,700MHz
RAM 2GB
ROM 16GB
Camera Back, 13.0MP SONY IMX214 F1.8 stacked Front, 8MP
i was fairly impressed about the review of the camera, but when i got the handset, i was fairly disappointed to see that it did not have a proper camera app which would support 4k video, i looked into it further and found that there were some other mobile phones out there which were using the same 13Mp Sony IMX214 camera to make 4k video recording. so i looked for apps which would give this phone that capability but all i found were threads for LG G2 phones (kk handsets?) and how they would enable 4k video on it with the help of files from LG G3. this got me wondering if it was possible for the UMI Zero as well. i will appreciate any guidance in the matter. Thank you.
bump?
Maybe...
Well, it's not the camera module that's holding it back, or the processor, so actually I don't know.
The MT6592T is cabable of UHD recording, so I'm taking a guess that it would have to be software, they haven't done the stock rom on this phone well at all - I mean after all the phone records in 3GP, in 1920x1088, so actually I guess there would be a way of going through some source code and modifying.
Good luck!
Here's the specs for the 6592
Octa-core (1.7GHz or 2GHz) ARM Cortex-A7 processor
ARM Mali GPU
UMTS / HSPA+ R8 / TD-SCDMA / EDGE / LTE
Dual-band 801.11a/b/g/n, Bluetooth, GPS, FM receiver
Full HD display controller
16MP image signal-processor
H.265 Ultra HD video record & playback
woodsynzl said:
Well, it's not the camera module that's holding it back, or the processor, so actually I don't know.
The MT6592T is cabable of UHD recording, so I'm taking a guess that it would have to be software, they haven't done the stock rom on this phone well at all - I mean after all the phone records in 3GP, in 1920x1088, so actually I guess there would be a way of going through some source code and modifying.
Good luck!
Here's the specs for the 6592
Octa-core (1.7GHz or 2GHz) ARM Cortex-A7 processor
ARM Mali GPU
UMTS / HSPA+ R8 / TD-SCDMA / EDGE / LTE
Dual-band 801.11a/b/g/n, Bluetooth, GPS, FM receiver
Full HD display controller
16MP image signal-processor
H.265 Ultra HD video record & playback
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hi!
thanks for the info dude. i thought that maybe after all this time, someone might have done some tinkering but there still hasnt been anything on it
i would have tried modding it if i had the proper knowledge and a secondary mobile. youre also right about the devs doing a crappy job on the firmware. the camera software is only good for taking pictures but is absolute crap for video recording.
calistoz said:
hi!
thanks for the info dude. i thought that maybe after all this time, someone might have done some tinkering but there still hasnt been anything on it
i would have tried modding it if i had the proper knowledge and a secondary mobile. youre also right about the devs doing a crappy job on the firmware. the camera software is only good for taking pictures but is absolute crap for video recording.
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The MT6592 SoC is capable neither to record nor to play UHD video. Its max capability is [email protected] Datasheet (edit: I can't post links yet)
That's a question why MediaTek shows UHD recording and playback on their own product page. (edit: I can't post links yet)
bencebacsi said:
The MT6592 SoC is capable neither to record nor to play UHD video. Its max capability is [email protected] Datasheet (edit: I can't post links yet)
That's a question why MediaTek shows UHD recording and playback on their own product page. (edit: I can't post links yet)
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i went ahead and looked for more details on the SoC for the mt6592 and it turns out that it can encode up to 1088 and decode 2160. so i guess it means that it can play back UHD videos but cant make them.
http://system-on-a-chip.specout.com/l/425/MediaTek-MT6592. it leaves me kind of disappointed seeing as how they have gone on to incorporate a really good camera with UHD capabilities and a F 1.8 lens only to be let down by the lack of support on the SoC.
Sorry for offtop (i don't want to create new thread).
Maybe some of you guys know where to buy side buttons fpc for umi zero or maybe someone have one? tnx