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Ipad 2:
Video formats supported: H.264 video up to 720p, 30 frames per second, Main Profile level 3.1 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps per channel, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; Motion JPEG (M-JPEG) up to 35 Mbps, 1280 by 720 pixels, 30 frames per second, audio in ulaw, PCM stereo audio in .avi file format
XOOM:
If you stick with H.264 Baseline Profile, you can achieve up to 1920x1080p at 30 fps at 20Mbps.
Baseline Profile means:
- No CABAC entropy coding.
- No B frames
- No 8x8 transforms (DCT)
- No Weighted Prediction
For 1280x720p at 30 fps, you can go up to 20Mbps and Motorola XOOM should still be able to handle it. More Realistically, depending on the content, you can get away with 4Mbps and up with varying degrees of quality. If you are tight on space, use 4Mbps. If you want something to look good you can use 10/12 Mbps. At some point though the higher the bitrate will only translate to decreasing amounts of quality improvement. In other words, 20Mbps will probably look as good as 15Mbps, but will just use up more space. Ultimately, there is really no one size fits all solution and it may take a little experimentation to find the settings that work best for the content you wish to view.
Additionally your device does not have a limitation on certain types of B frames (Main profile tool). So you can add in B frames and not affect performance that much. If you are using a encoding tool that uses B frames, such as QuickTime Pro, you should be able to achieve main profile encoding.
If you are using a lower resolution that 720p (such as 720x480 resolution size) in order to encode longer length video , you can get away with using more tools (High and Main profile tools). However, encoding become more complex and may require more experimentation to achieve acceptable results.
In general, if you are concern about performance, use baseline tools and possibly b-frames (with no weighted prediction). This will give you the best performance.
Also as side note, if you are upscaling from a DVD to 720p try to use the best upscaling algorithm provided and don't expect to get true 720p quality from upscaled DVD.
Looks like Xoom is a tad bit better in terms of supported Hardware video decode capabilities.
In terms of GPU - it seems that the Ipad 2 may have a bit of an edge with the new power VR 543 - though this is not official as there are no direct comparisons yet.
Well my Epic4g with the Powervr SGX540 plays back high profile 720p FLAWLESSLY. The iPad will be capable of much more than that with the newer chip. The video standards that they "support" are the ones that they use through itunes and in no way represent the highest possible encoding of video that will play back. The instant XBMC hits the iPad2, I expect at least 1080p main profile to work since 1080p high profile ALMOST works on the iPad1.
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Well my Epic4g with the Powervr SGX540 plays back high profile 720p FLAWLESSLY. The iPad will be capable of much more than that with the newer chip. The video standards that they "support" are the ones that they use through itunes and in no way represent the highest possible encoding of video that will play back. The instant XBMC hits the iPad2, I expect at least 1080p main profile to work since 1080p high profile ALMOST works on the iPad1.
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What's that you say, the iPad can output 1080p? Well sort of. The iPad can mirror its 1024x768 display in 1080p but it still won't decode 1080p H.264 videos, and we don't know what type of TV you have, but we'd bet ours does a little bit better job of scaling than the magical iPad. All that being said, the iPad 2's new form factor will increase its desirability as a couch companion --not to mention we'll buy anything with magnets -- but an HD source device, not so much.
That's from engadget
http://hd.engadget.com/2011/03/02/the-ipad-2-and-1080p-theres-nothing-to-see-here/
There are a lot of threads about xoom video limitations.
Am I the only person who just copied dvd rips from my iTunes folder straight to the xoom, and watch them with zero issues?
Maybe my handbrake settings arent top-notch, but the quality/size trade off worked fine on my old I pad, and work fine for the xoom. If I wanted full crazy HD, i'd watch from the blu-ray disk directly, on a TV that does it justice.
Am I crazy?
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It won't do it officially. Once it its jailbroken though it will have xbmc and will have ridiculous capabilities. For example the current ipad can play 720p high profile with xbmc now.
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Because the specs page for the iPad 2 lists SO many more formats.... stop trolling.
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What the specs page lists for the iPad 2 is irrelevant. Here my iPad1 playing a 720p [email protected] h.264 mkv file:
http://vimeo.com/20636064
Pretty sure the iPad never had that listed on its specs page. For a comparison, here is the Notion Ink and the Xoom playing back that exact same clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXWu6m33EP0&feature=player_detailpage#t=231s
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What the specs page lists for the iPad 2 is irrelevant. Here my iPad1 playing a 720p [email protected] h.264 mkv file:
http://vimeo.com/20636064
Pretty sure the iPad never had that listed on its specs page.
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How long did it take from the MOMENT the iPad was released to when that became supported by some app?
People act like just because there are no apps RIGHT NOW for the xoom to play additional formats that there never ever will be.
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How long did it take from the MOMENT the iPad was released to when that became supported by some app?
People act like just because there are no apps RIGHT NOW for the xoom to play additional formats that there never ever will be.
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It took a while for XBMC to be ported, 9 months or so. Dont know if they were working on it that entire time. The reason people act like that BTW is because the Tegra 2 is incapable of hardware decoding [email protected] or higher. Here is the guy who ported XBMC to the iPad and AppleTV and who was tasked with porting to Tegra 2 devices talking about it:
http://forum.xbmc.org/showpost.php?p=735285&postcount=41
Believe me, I wish that were not the case. Wants me some Xoom or Galaxy Tab 10.1 action.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the only thing difference I seem to see from baseline and high profile h.264 is compression. My Xoom is fully capable of displaying the converted 720p mkvs with no chop/stutter in widescreen format on its screen. I've yet to test out hdmi out to my TV though.
Unless you want to talk about bitrate, but I can hardly tell the difference in quality loss vs source on something that I downloaded off the internet.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the only thing difference I seem to see from baseline and high profile h.264 is compression. My Xoom is fully capable of displaying the converted 720p mkvs with no chop/stutter in widescreen format on its screen. I've yet to test out hdmi out to my TV though.
Unless you want to talk about bitrate, but I can hardly tell the difference in quality loss vs source on something that I downloaded off the internet.
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Oh there is no doubt that you can convert the video to play back perfectly on the Xoom. That isn't in question. I personally just think its ridiculous to have to.
Good read on the differences here, especially on page 3:
http://www.polycom.com/global/documents/whitepapers/h264_high_profile_wp.pdf
Warning, above is a direct link to a pdf.
Thanks for the read, I skimmed it and it pretty much sums up as higher compression without visual quality loss. I never put it together that the development of high profile was used for bandwidth savings though, interesting.
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Oh there is no doubt that you can convert the video to play back perfectly on the Xoom. That isn't in question. I personally just think its ridiculous to have to.
Good read on the differences here, especially on page 3:
http://www.polycom.com/global/documents/whitepapers/h264_high_profile_wp.pdf
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Thank you for your posts, and yes, I COMPLETELY AGREE with you! Once I began my due diligence today comparing the iPad 1, iPad 2, and the Xoom I thought to see if high profile h.264 was supported.
I was shocked to find out that the Tegra 2's hw (and Nvidia has confirmed this) does not support high profile h.264. BUT.... the iPad 1 does?! It's ridiculous quite frankly, and in my eyes, Tegra 2 is partial failure because of it.
Anyway, iPad 1 handles that Planet Earth clip (i.e. the de facto pseudo h.264 720p/1080p benchmark for years it seems!) beautifully. How's the batter life when watching h.264? How long can you get? Also, I would think the iPad 2 is capable of 1080p high profile yes?
In any event, I won't be buying a zoom. For the steeper price point, that is just insulting. I'm gonna try to find one of the remnant ipad 1s from Verizon that have been creeping around for ~$300, however unlikely at that price point it may be to find!
Kudos to your efforts and exposing this massive fault in the Xoom. I have NEVER been a fan of reconversion of the years, from divx in its earliest days through xvid (when apple ironically pushed 'reconversion' into mainstream)... glad that w/ this bad boy that won't be necessary as I'd never do it, too much hassle and insulting, imho.
Not being able to play 720p videos is the main reason I returned the xoom. If I am forced to convert videos I might as well do it for the ipad.
I am so tempted to sell my xoom because of this video playback issue...
I have a lot of bluray rips and I cant watch them on the xoom.
They were encoded using the Apple TV2 preset in handbrake, which I'm guessing is high profile
Oh wow, if this is that serious most of the Honeycomb tablets will be losing quite a lot of sells. I hope Samsung doesn't use the Tegra in their tabs. I'm fine with their Exynos, assuming it has the amazing codec support their Hummingbird does.
Its not the chip ( http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-2.html ) supports 1080p h264 just fine. As it stands right now, best I have been able to gather, it is a software/firmware (likely drivers) issue causing the poor playback.
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Its not the chip ( http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-2.html ) supports 1080p h264 just fine. As it stands right now, best I have been able to gather, it is a software/firmware (likely drivers) issue causing the poor playback.
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That would seem to make since, but I believe in Google...A phrase I never thought I would be saying ever lol.
Sorry. But there isn't much doubt at this time that it IS in fact the "chip"
There are dozens upon dozens upon dozens of articles at this point citing the same thing: Tegra 2 CANNOT DECODE HIGH PROFILE VIDEO.
Period.
If you need me to cite about 50 different sources, I would be happy to do so.
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Sorry. But there isn't much doubt at this time that it IS in fact the "chip"
There are dozens upon dozens upon dozens of articles at this point citing the same thing: Tegra 2 CANNOT DECODE HIGH PROFILE VIDEO.
Period.
If you need me to cite about 50 different sources, I would be happy to do so.
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No, no, I'll take your word for it. I guess some of us were hoping that it was just a honeycomb issue that would be fixed with an update.
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Its not the chip ( http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-2.html ) supports 1080p h264 just fine. As it stands right now, best I have been able to gather, it is a software/firmware (likely drivers) issue causing the poor playback.
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The Xoom can play baseline 1080p h.264. The Xoom cannot play 720p high profile h.264. I would venture to guess that 90% of all video that people have that they didn't videotape themselves is high profile h.264 with 9.99% of the remainder being main profile h.264.
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Anyway, iPad 1 handles that Planet Earth clip (i.e. the de facto pseudo h.264 720p/1080p benchmark for years it seems!) beautifully. How's the batter life when watching h.264? How long can you get? Also, I would think the iPad 2 is capable of 1080p high profile yes?
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The iPad 1 handles the Planet Earth clip perfectly, but do realize that it is a jailbroken iPad with XBMC installed. The iPad does not natively support high profile h.264 even though the hardware is capable, because Apple wants you to buy media through iTunes.
The iPad 2 SHOULD be capable of 1080p high profile, but we won't know for sure until it too is jailbroken and XBMC is installed/optimized.
Hi,
probably most of you know a long discussion in many threads about issues with video playback that Xoom/Honeycomb/Tegra 2 has.
Some of you say it is in the hardware some of you say it is just a software... so far none of the comapnies involved had confirmed anything either way.
But... I found this news.... what do you think?
http://androidcommunity.com/ainol-h...ps-display-huge-1080p-codec-support-20110321/
Ainol may be better known for their Full HD capable PMPs, but the company is turning to Android 3.0 Honeycomb and a proper tablet. According to some teaser spec pages, the so-far unnamed slate will have a 1280 x 800 IPS capacitive touchscreen display and run a SoChip Cortex-A9 processor.
They’re impressive specs, given tablets with IPS displays – such as the iPad 2 – are in relatively short supply. 1080p HD support is promised, with a fair amount of codec compatibility as well: MKV, AVI, WMV, H.264, XviD and MPEG.
Considering one the continued shortcomings of Android is its patchy media support out of the box, that could be enough to earn the Ainol slate a niche of its own. Pricing, screen size, release dates and other specs are still unknown at this stage.
They can say whatever, but bring it on
Really?
You mean OLD codecs/containers?
AVI now is typical just DivX which is really just another H.264 (which is already supported) As DivX runs nativity on my Droid X so I am sure it is a licensing issue on the Xoom.
Xvid, is just another DivX without the licensing issues
MPEG 1 and 2 Seriously you are excited about that?
WMV another old container we really should be moving away from as it is the MS version of MPEG-4 part 2. Now if the devices supported VC-1 MS containers that would be a bit exciting.
Now granted not having to convert everything would be nice but if people would just rip H.264/AVC in the first place life would just be easier IMO. I would be more exited about seeing more/better WebM encoders out there (which your Xoom also supports nativity)
Why won't any other company use IPS displays. If some company that I've never heard of (that I'm assuming just isn't popular here) can, then why cant Samsung or Motorola?
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Why won't any other company use IPS displays. If some company that I've never heard of (that I'm assuming just isn't popular here) can, then why cant Samsung or Motorola?
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Here is a well known maker coming out with an IPS display and more:
http://tablets-planet.com/2011/03/2...er-android-3-0-tablet-first-launch-in-3-days/
the issue with the tegra 2 as i know it is with playing high profile H.264, ive confirmed this with the notion ink Adam (i had for about a week)
i preordered the xoom and ill test when i get it but from what ive read its the same issue.
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Why won't any other company use IPS displays. If some company that I've never heard of (that I'm assuming just isn't popular here) can, then why cant Samsung or Motorola?
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Even worse, you have "cheap" tablets like the Nook Color rolling out with IPS goodness. With devices like these, where there isn't one normal way to view the screen, high quality panels like IPS should be the norm. It really is crappy that companies are still cheaping out on some of the most important parts (viewsonic G-Tab, and Archos....)
Simple question:
Does the transformer support 1080p video output through its mini hdmi port?
if not: what's the max resolution?
720 i believe
according to nvidia tegra 2 supports 1080P output via hdmi
HDMI 1.3 1920x1080
but
LCD 1024x600 (Tegra 230)
1680x1050 (Tegra 250)
CRT 1280x1024 (Tegra 230)
1600x1200 (Tegra 250)
I also have an question, why LCD output can't use the 1080P output
and why are tablets limited in 720P
the tblet will mirror out at 720p,which means you see the same on the tv as on lcd. It will output video from the video play unmirrored at 1080p, which means whne you send the video to tv the video on the tab is blank/
The reason no 1080p mirrored is because the tab display is only 1280x800.
while 1080p does work for video it is far from perfect. Hopefully they will smooth it out soon.
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the tblet will mirror out at 720p,which means you see the same on the tv as on lcd. It will output video from the video play unmirrored at 1080p, which means whne you send the video to tv the video on the tab is blank/
The reason no 1080p mirrored is because the tab display is only 1280x800.
while 1080p does work for video it is far from perfect. Hopefully they will smooth it out soon.
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How do you make it to output 1080p video? When I play video (with default player or mobo player), the video is shown on both screens and it only output 720p to the TV.
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How do you make it to output 1080p video? When I play video (with default player or mobo player), the video is shown on both screens and it only output 720p to the TV.
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Have you updated to 3.1? Is your video 1080p? Worked out of the box for me after update.
because 1080p playback is far from perfect, i do not test 1080P playback since i updated to 3.1
Tegra 2 chip is a kind of joke.
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Have you updated to 3.1? Is your video 1080p? Worked out of the box for me after update.
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yes, my TF is on 3.1 and my video is 1080p but my TV reports that the TF only output 720p. What video player do you use?
Can't get mine to display on screen
Guys, please help me with this:
I tried to connect my transformer (3.1) to my Panasonic Viera Plasma HDTV using a GTMax High Speed Gold-Plated Mini HDMI to HDMI Cable Version 1.4 (25 feet).
My surprise... it didn't work. My understanding is I just had to plug the cable to transformer and tv and enjoy, but the tv screen does nothing and remains blank.
Is it because the length of the cable? or because of the version of the cable(1.4)? Or maybe I have to adjust the resolution somewhere? Or install an app?
Any suggestions?
Thank you very much!
Wrong thread, but...
mfe018 said:
I tried to connect my transformer (3.1) to my Panasonic Viera Plasma HDTV using a GTMax High Speed Gold-Plated Mini HDMI to HDMI Cable Version 1.4 (25 feet).
My surprise... it didn't work.
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See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1126746&highlight=hdmi+output
oh and a bit of http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1082885&highlight=hdmi+panasonic
plus quite a few others. Panasonic TVs seem to have issues
"gottahavit
the tblet will mirror out at 720p,which means you see the same on the tv as on lcd. It will output video from the video play unmirrored at 1080p, which means whne you send the video to tv the video on the tab is blank/
The reason no 1080p mirrored is because the tab display is only 1280x800.
while 1080p does work for video it is far from perfect. Hopefully they will smooth it out soon."
Indeed,
Did you succeed to output 1080p resolution to a Full HD TV/monitor?
Which player?
I only can get 720p to both my Sharp and Sony Full HD (1080p) TVs with a full HD (1080p) mp4 Basic line video test (Film Teaser) with Buzz and Rokplayer.
Please advise....
weikichen said:
Tegra 2 chip is a kind of joke.
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Its one of the best ones out there for tablet unless your going for a full x86/x64 machine. Agree they should have never specified 1080p the tech is currently too slow to do it properly 9/10 times.
Anndy said:
"gottahavit
the tblet will mirror out at 720p,which means you see the same on the tv as on lcd. It will output video from the video play unmirrored at 1080p, which means whne you send the video to tv the video on the tab is blank/
The reason no 1080p mirrored is because the tab display is only 1280x800.
while 1080p does work for video it is far from perfect. Hopefully they will smooth it out soon."
Indeed,
Did you succeed to output 1080p resolution to a Full HD TV/monitor?
Which player?
I only can get 720p to both my Sharp and Sony Full HD (1080p) TVs with a full HD (1080p) mp4 Basic line video test (Film Teaser) with Buzz and Rokplayer.
Please advise....
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i use the stock player. when you play it is it mirrored on your tab? if so then thats a problem. when outputting 1080p it should blank the video area on the tab.
after 3.1 i had no issues getting this to work. perhaps its the handshake with your tv. i have year old 55in samsung lcd that support 24/60 1080p
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Its one of the best ones out there for tablet unless your going for a full x86/x64 machine.
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The worst from the best.
Magnesus said:
The worst from the best.
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Agreed, it has not advantage over competing solutions. GPU is nothing extraordinary, multimedia engine is a joke, standard A9 CPU. Only pure marketing.
Right now OMAP4 is probably the best SoC when it comes to pure power. Snapdragon with it's 1,5Ghz tablet specific SoC will be much faster than T2 both CPU and GPU wise(and it supports 1080p h264 High Profile 3.1), even now 1,2Ghz version has slightly faster GPU than T2.
Exynos would be great too, but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any news about official honeycomb for exynos or any kind of tablet coming running on this SoC.
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Agreed, it has not advantage over competing solutions. GPU is nothing extraordinary, multimedia engine is a joke, standard A9 CPU. Only pure marketing.
Right now OMAP4 is probably the best SoC when it comes to pure power. Snapdragon with it's 1,5Ghz tablet specific SoC will be much faster than T2 both CPU and GPU wise(and it supports 1080p h264 High Profile 3.1), even now 1,2Ghz version has slightly faster GPU than T2.
Exynos would be great too, but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any news about official honeycomb for exynos or any kind of tablet coming running on this SoC.
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Are you guys sure that the poor 1080p h264 high profile performance is due to a hardware limitation and NOT due to poor software implementation ? Because Tegra 2 official spec sheet list 1080p encode and decode capability (though profile is not mentioned), but this article says it is capable of accelerating 1080p High profile.
I thought I read somewhere that part of the limitation at the moment is poor software/driver implementation. But the Tegra 2 isn't lacking for regular processing power. My Transformer outruns my Galaxy S when it comes to running regular apps and browsing, but my phone plays 720p videos smoother and supports more file types/containers/codecs.
That's weird.
When i watch a movie on the TF HD to the TV, my TV reports it as 1080p. My TF screen goes blank.
it's not weird, it's the way it's supposed to be. (read the thread!)
the tf's display doesn't support 1080p so it is switched of.
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it's not weird, it's the way it's supposed to be. (read the thread!)
the tf's display doesn't support 1080p so it is switched of.
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Yes...I saw that. I only was saying that it was weird because so many people were saying that the TF won't do 1080p...and mine does.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-tab/GT-P7310MAAXAR-specs
1080p playback, 3GP, MP4, AVI, WMV, FLV, MKV (Codec: MPEG4, H.263, Sorenson H.263, H.264, VC-1, XviD)
Why can this play back all these when the 10.1 can't?
This blows. Tegra2 is old news anyway.
Im gonna sell my 10.1 and get the quad core version anyway.
The "old" tab 8.9 also has a tegra2 processor.
The new one that should come out next year has an OMAP4 1.4 ghz procssor.
Interestingly, the list of formats of the 10.1 is also similarly long:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-tab/GT-P7510UWYXAB-specs
When they write some format is supported, don't take it for granted.
And even if it is supported, one format often has multiple sub formats.
Please also differentiate video container format (a file with a certain suffix that usually wraps video and audio together, sometimes also adding subtitles or chapters) and video codec (the format of the video or audio stream itself that is embedded in the file).
For instance h264 avc video is generally supported, but when it is in high resolution (720p or larger) only a subset of encodings, generally wrapped up with the name "base profile" are supported.
This is a limitation of the tegra2 chipset.
Other chipset like that used with OMA4 supports a more wider range. Also, tegra3 should fix this limitation.
Its really a complex area.
Is there a certain format or video that does no play for you?
If so please report which (in as much detail as possible)....
All you need to know is that Tegra 2 has very poor video playback support.
I'll probably never buy a Tegra based stuff again, considering how poor tegra 2 is. Also ICS will be OMAP native so expect slow update on tegra devices.
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Oh my god! Can you believe that this new thing is better than the old thing? I mean, I'll never buy old things again! It's new all the way for me from here on!
Wait, are you saying that the new thing got old? Why did I buy this old thing? I need the new thing! They tricked me by saying it was new!
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All you need to know is that Tegra 2 has very poor video playback support.
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Really? I have 2TB of MKV files all remux'd with their original frame rates and resolution. Other than the occasional frame drop, all have played well. This includes 1080p Blu-Ray movies. I copy files off my TiVo's which end up as MP2's and they all play fine as well. I stream using PlayOn and Plex and haven't had any issues there either. I bought a ton of stuff on MediaHub during the $.01 sale and they played beautifully. YouTube works fine which many complain about which is surprising considering we're all using the same hardware and software. I just watched the Twilight Next Dawn trailer full-screen in HD and there wasn't even a frame drop.
There are two components to effective video playback - hardware and software. Samsung does an incredible job with the drivers for the latter which is why if you look at the Tab vs. any other Tegra device in a video comparison it kicks ass. Some of you having video playback issues may want to look at your content and wireless connections. I had a Qualcomm-based Jetstream and returned it after a week because it absolutely sucked at video playback and wasn’t usable at all with any of the streaming apps. I’m guessing its epic fail was based on the HTC software and drivers. OMAP is next up and Samsung may use Exynos in future tablets. Until then, this is about as good as it gets.
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Oh my god! Can you believe that this new thing is better than the old thing? I mean, I'll never buy old things again! It's new all the way for me from here on!
Wait, are you saying that the new thing got old? Why did I buy this old thing? I need the new thing! They tricked me by saying it was new!
And over, and over, and over...
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This.
Those of you looking for future-proof in any first generation device, good luck.
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Really? I have 2TB of MKV files all remux'd with their original frame rates and resolution. Other than the occasional frame drop, all have played well. This includes 1080p Blu-Ray movies. I copy files off my TiVo's which end up as MP2's and they all play fine as well. I stream using PlayOn and Plex and haven't had any issues there either. I bought a ton of stuff on MediaHub during the $.01 sale and they played beautifully. YouTube works fine which many complain about which is surprising considering we're all using the same hardware and software. I just watched the Twilight Next Dawn trailer full-screen in HD and there wasn't even a frame drop.
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So, a high-profile L4.1 1080p video (MKV or even MP4) file play perfectly on your Tegra 2 Galaxy Tab 10.1 via the stock video player or any other good 3rd party video player? That's the first time I've heard of the Tegra 2 being able to do so.
I read on samsung page Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 have Bluetooth 3.0.
But Tegra 2 chipset don´t have Bluetooth 3.0.
It is false of Samsung (itwas same with 10.1) and they dont know their own product or it have another processor?
LTE version Galaxy Tab 8.9 will have 1,5 Ghz Exynos processor (and micro sd slot).
If normal wersion will be have exynos(1,2 Ghz) too, I will be happy(for 1080p high profile playback)
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I read on samsung page Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 have Bluetooth 3.0.
But Tegra 2 chipset don´t have Bluetooth 3.0.
It is false of Samsung (itwas same with 10.1) and they dont know their own product or it have another processor?
LTE version Galaxy Tab 8.9 will have 1,5 Ghz Exynos processor (and micro sd slot).
If normal wersion will be have exynos(1,2 Ghz) too, I will be happy(for 1080p high profile playback)
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WTF are you talking about? The bluetooth subsystem has nothing to do with the CPU.
t3ch7 said:
So, a high-profile L4.1 1080p video (MKV or even MP4) file play perfectly on your Tegra 2 Galaxy Tab 10.1 via the stock video player or any other good 3rd party video player? That's the first time I've heard of the Tegra 2 being able to do so.
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From what he wrote it sounds like the videos are converted on the fly when he copies them - and that will probably be in a format that tegra2 can handle.
If not then the original video is already in base profile because tegra2 defenitively can't handle 1080p high profile.
Baseline: some 1080p videos play, some don't - that guy probably just got lucky and did not run into formats it can't handle...
BarryH_GEG said:
Really? I have 2TB of MKV files all remux'd with their original frame rates and resolution. Other than the occasional frame drop, all have played well. This includes 1080p Blu-Ray movies. I copy files off my TiVo's which end up as MP2's and they all play fine as well. I stream using PlayOn and Plex and haven't had any issues there either. I bought a ton of stuff on MediaHub during the $.01 sale and they played beautifully. YouTube works fine which many complain about which is surprising considering we're all using the same hardware and software. I just watched the Twilight Next Dawn trailer full-screen in HD and there wasn't even a frame drop.
There are two components to effective video playback - hardware and software. Samsung does an incredible job with the drivers for the latter which is why if you look at the Tab vs. any other Tegra device in a video comparison it kicks ass. Some of you having video playback issues may want to look at your content and wireless connections. I had a Qualcomm-based Jetstream and returned it after a week because it absolutely sucked at video playback and wasn’t usable at all with any of the streaming apps. I’m guessing its epic fail was based on the HTC software and drivers. OMAP is next up and Samsung may use Exynos in future tablets. Until then, this is about as good as it gets.
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Can you post what apps/components you use for video playback? I am trying to compile a thread with information how to stream media wirelessly to TAB
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1268725
What I need is
1) What DLNA app you use on TAB? AllShare? uPNp?
2) Do you do special encoding for mkv?
3) How do you stream?
pokey9000 said:
WTF are you talking about? The bluetooth subsystem has nothing to do with the CPU.
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I am not talking about cpu, but chipset. Or you know some tegra 2 devices on market, which have Bluetooth 3.0?
cryingfreeman22 said:
I am not talking about cpu, but chipset. Or you know some tegra 2 devices on market, which have Bluetooth 3.0?
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The international Tab's have 3.0.
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/tablets/tablets/GT-P7510FKDXEU-spec
It also comes with AllShare (DLNA). I'm getting a 3G from the UK and am using a U.S. Wi-Fi right now. I'll post what other differences I find when I get it in two weeks.
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Can you post what apps/components you use for video playback? I am trying to compile a thread with information how to stream media wirelessly to TAB
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1268725
What I need is
1) What DLNA app you use on TAB? AllShare? uPNp?
2) Do you do special encoding for mkv?
3) How do you stream?
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1) - I don't stream "from" any of my mobile devices. I run a home server and it's easier to keep all my content there and then stream "to" the device(s) when I want to view or display content. The only content trapped on my phone are things downloaded through MediaHub. But anything in MediaHub is available elsewhere if I wanted to watch it on a big screen.
2) - I use DVDFab and have for years. It has its own codecs which work well but I use it with CoreAVC. I think the quality of encoded files makes a huge difference in playback and is probably the root issue for people having problems. They have a free trial if people want to compare it to what they're currently using.
3) - I have a Netgear N750 which is a fairly new high-end router. It reaches everywhere in my three story house without the need for a repeater. I have home theatre PC's attached to my main TVs via Wi-Fi and use them to display content off the server. Most of the time, I access my content while away from home. Plex is my main server/client and it does a fantastic job streaming to mobile devices - even over 3G. I also use PlayOn for accessing Hulu and network TV content. It too works really well over 3G. It has a new feature "PlayLater" that lets you store Hulu and network content (including Netflix movies) locally for playback any time. Both do a great job of transcoding on the fly which is why they work so well in a low-bandwidth and low-processing power environment.
Personally, any phone or tablet is under powered to be an effective media server. Maybe great for videos and pics recorded on the device, but anything else is a stretch until the hardware improves.
cryingfreeman22 said:
I am not talking about cpu, but chipset. Or you know some tegra 2 devices on market, which have Bluetooth 3.0?
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Tegra2 doesn't have a specified chipset, even for Bluetooth. It will work with any Bluetooth HCI device that talks UART, USB, or SDIO.
And why do you care about 3.0? There aren't really any practical advantages. I still have yet to see anything on the market that supports high speed mode.
I am now using my new galaxy s2 with the exenyos processor and it really makes the tegra 2 processor in my gtab.10.1 feel like it is a slug. From day one I never really thought the tegra 2 felt any faster than the single core hummingbird processor in my galaxy s original. I guess the magazine reviewers overhyped it, the graphics is pitiful compared to the original galaxy s and now the s2.
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BarryH_GEG said:
The international Tab's have 3.0.
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/tablets/tablets/GT-P7510FKDXEU-spec
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So then Samsung pages dont know their own product, because GT-P7510/M16 have in real only Bluetooth 2.1.
Ok this seems on same false, Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 will be have Tegra 2 and Bluetooth 2.1.
BarryH_GEG said:
The international Tab's have 3.0.
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/tablets/tablets/GT-P7510FKDXEU-spec
It also comes with AllShare (DLNA). I'm getting a 3G from the UK and am using a U.S. Wi-Fi right now. I'll post what other differences I find when I get it in two weeks.
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1) - I don't stream "from" any of my mobile devices. I run a home server and it's easier to keep all my content there and then stream "to" the device(s) when I want to view or display content. The only content trapped on my phone are things downloaded through MediaHub. But anything in MediaHub is available elsewhere if I wanted to watch it on a big screen.
2) - I use DVDFab and have for years. It has its own codecs which work well but I use it with CoreAVC. I think the quality of encoded files makes a huge difference in playback and is probably the root issue for people having problems. They have a free trial if people want to compare it to what they're currently using.
3) - I have a Netgear N750 which is a fairly new high-end router. It reaches everywhere in my three story house without the need for a repeater. I have home theatre PC's attached to my main TVs via Wi-Fi and use them to display content off the server. Most of the time, I access my content while away from home. Plex is my main server/client and it does a fantastic job streaming to mobile devices - even over 3G. I also use PlayOn for accessing Hulu and network TV content. It too works really well over 3G. It has a new feature "PlayLater" that lets you store Hulu and network content (including Netflix movies) locally for playback any time. Both do a great job of transcoding on the fly which is why they work so well in a low-bandwidth and low-processing power environment.
Personally, any phone or tablet is under powered to be an effective media server. Maybe great for videos and pics recorded on the device, but anything else is a stretch until the hardware improves.
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Thanks I posted your comments in my thread. Appreciate your feedback.
cryingfreeman22 said:
So then Samsung pages dont know their own product, because GT-P7510/M16 have in real only Bluetooth 2.1.
Ok this seems on same false, Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 will be have Tegra 2 and Bluetooth 2.1.
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Hrm, why does it have a Bluetooth 4.0 chip in it?
http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/...53&tag=thumbnail-view-selector;get-photo-roto
cbpagent72 said:
I am now using my new galaxy s2 with the exenyos processor and it really makes the tegra 2 processor in my gtab.10.1 feel like it is a slug. From day one I never really thought the tegra 2 felt any faster than the single core hummingbird processor in my galaxy s original. I guess the magazine reviewers overhyped it, the graphics is pitiful compared to the original galaxy s and now the s2.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium
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I have a SGS2 also and had a G2X which was Tegra. You can't compare a phone and a tablet. The SoC is pushing 800x480 to a 4.3" screen on a phone and 1024x768 on a 10" screen on a tablet. That's why phones with the new qHD displays benchmark below their predecessors. No doubt the Exynos would perform better than the Tegra but your not going to see the same performance you're getting on your SGS2.
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cryingfreeman22 said:
So then Samsung pages dont know their own product, because GT-P7510/M16 have in real only Bluetooth 2.1.
Ok this seems on same false, Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 will be have Tegra 2 and Bluetooth 2.1.
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Where's your Tab from? The model numbering system is the same worldwide but there are regional differences. The U.S. versions have 2.1 and it says so on the Samsung U.S. website.
I am from Europe and there SGT 10.1 have also Bluetooth 2.1.
But before start sales SGT 10.1 in USA(June) us samsung mobile says it have BT 3.0. After one week they correct this. Now it seems same with SGT 8.9.
I've a Transformer prime so far and a consider changing for a Nexus 10. I just wondering if the dual-core A15 processor will be enough for playing 1080p mkv from my synology NAS via WIFI?
Exynos 5250 is the next generation of the exynos series, which will surely improve the hardware decoding dsps
The Exynos 5250 can supposedly decode 1080/60p which I have plenty on my DS211j from a Panasonic TM700 (in m2ts format).
"This SoC will have a memory interface providing 12.8 GB/sec of memory bandwidth, have support for USB3 and SATA3, decode full 1080p video at 60 fps along with simultaneously displaying WQXGA-resolution (2560x1600) on a mobile display as well as 1080p over HDMI."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos_(system_on_chip)
The GPU of the Exynos 5 is faster than the one of the Tegra 3... I'm pretty sure that it will play 1080p videos
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we should be asking if it's gonna play 2560x1600 videos at 60p, hell 2k. Hell, 4k!
okay, then let's buy it!! wait until november 13
Samzebian said:
we should be asking if it's gonna play 2560x1600 videos at 60p, hell 2k. Hell, 4k!
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To be honest, if the Tegra 3 can do 1080p60 and it is much, much slower, I don't see why this thing shouldn't be able to do videos of that resolution. Not that they exist, of course - or do they? Is that what BluRay's all about?
Though really, I'm not sure you can fit a feature-length film at 1600p into 32GB.
Kookas said:
To be honest, if the Tegra 3 can do 1080p60 and it is much, much slower, I don't see why this thing shouldn't be able to do videos of that resolution. Not that they exist, of course - or do they? Is that what BluRay's all about?
Though really, I'm not sure you can fit a feature-length film at 1600p into 32GB.
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do a youtube search of 4k test.
Make sure you're PC can handle it tho!:laugh:
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do a youtube search of 4k test.
Make sure you're PC can handle it tho!:laugh:
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If my PC can't handle it, then it's just another situation, like browser scrolling, where desktop software is inferior to mobile software. Considering I run games at maximum settings on here. But do you think the Nexus 10 could do it?
Kookas said:
If my PC can't handle it, then it's just another situation, like browser scrolling, where desktop software is inferior to mobile software. Considering I run games at maximum settings on here. But do you think the Nexus 10 could do it?
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I honestly couldn't say weather the Nexus 10 could handle 4k. Depending on how old your PC is and your GPU, you may or may not be able to view 4k videos smoothly.
have you found an app who does support hardware decoding on our N10?
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have you found an app who does support hardware decoding on our N10?
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Depends on the format. For Mp4/h.264. Everything works. For h.264 in a mkv. MX Player will play HW video and SW audio.
For other format nobody seems up to date yet. The Exynos claims support for a lot of format decoding, but Google seems to have phoned in native support on the kernel.