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Show some love for Samsung?

It's should have to be said that almost everyone bashes Samsung for one reason or the other but to be honest, I think Samsung has been listening to the consumer. Although, the lack of communication with consumers is its greatest downfall.
For example,
-Compress and GPS are been fixed actively (although not perfect, there's effort being put into the issue).
-Unlike Motorola and HTC, Samsung didn't include mechanism that makes tweaking harder (eg. efuse, and the whole G2 fiasco).
-Fixes for some of the smallest bugs, JI6 fixes alot of random quirks, such as Allshare now display the correct aspect ratio, to Calendar Alarm fix, Message Client crash, etc. Stuff that only a handful of people have express concerns over.
-Kies for updates (Kies Mini for Vibrant was extremely generous)
-Source Codes for Froyo released in a timely manner.
As stated above, the biggest downside to Samsung is the company's lack of communication with the buyers. If they can just be a bit more proactive I am sure people would trust it as much as they trust HTC or Motorola (Droid Series), etc.

When they make something that works properly (like their crappy software which won't update my phone with bugs in it)... then maybe I'll think about it.

Tarzanman said:
When they make something that works properly (like their crappy software which won't update my phone with bugs in it)... then maybe I'll think about it.
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When is the last time a piece of software doesn't have bugs in it.
Other softwares with bugs:
Windows .... Check.
Mac.... Check.
iOS......Check.
Android is no exception, or just look at G2 and it's state of chaos.
Oh, and the all mighty Bionix Rom develop here by XDA dev? Bugs, even more than stock, every revision gets a huge bugs fix, and more pops up. Software will never get completely perfect.

I don't understand what you're saying..... that we should say good things about Samsung because they suck as bad as Microsoft?
For the record, even Apple software ports run better on a PC than any of Samsung's apps...which is pretty sad because iTunes sucks something fierce on Windows.

Tarzanman said:
I don't understand what you're saying..... that we should say good things about Samsung because they suck as bad as Microsoft?
For the record, even Apple software ports run better on a PC than any of Samsung's apps...which is pretty sad because iTunes sucks something fierce on Windows.
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You sure its not you? Because my Samsung apps run perfectly fine. Annnnnd if it wasn't for Samsung you wouldn't have that beautiful 4" SAMOLED screen now would you?
Just my 2 cents.
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Alex530 said:
You sure its not you? Because my Samsung apps run perfectly fine. Annnnnd if it wasn't for Samsung you wouldn't have that beautiful 4" SAMOLED screen now would you?
Just my 2 cents.
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I think it's just her.
I'm loving Samsung for providing Kies Mini for us and all the work they're doing trying to updates out the door. They've got what....9 or 12 phones running Android and just announced more within the past week.

I'm loving the screen in general. I was considering the G2 but just the 1.3 gigs and its LCD screen are too much of a downgrade for me. Plus I can't live without root!
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Yes. Its just me.
There aren't a dozen threads all over the Galaxy S boards (here and elsewhere) about Kies/Kies Mini sucking or not recognizing phones

Tarzanman said:
Yes. Its just me.
There aren't a dozen threads all over the Galaxy S boards (here and elsewhere) about Kies/Kies Mini sucking or not recognizing phones
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I personally did not have problem with kies and I was even using a 64 bit OS. Now, people have problem folowing directions. I see so many times Kies diesnt recognize the phone because 1) phone not in kies mode 2) not usibg default launcher 3) didnt bother to install driver. All of which were addressed in the instructions.
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Tarzanman said:
When they make something that works properly (like their crappy software which won't update my phone with bugs in it)... then maybe I'll think about it.
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There is no such thing in the world as a bug free software. All of the world's most praised software has patches and updates that fix issues that have been reported.
Tarzanman said:
Yes. Its just me.
There aren't a dozen threads all over the Galaxy S boards (here and elsewhere) about Kies/Kies Mini sucking or not recognizing phones
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1% of its userbase experiencing such problems equates to hardware/software incompatibilities and/or the biggest reason for software problems, ID10T errors.

I say if people don't like it get rid of it. Done
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This is my 2nd Samsung phone and the 2nd time I have had these problems. A motorola driver has never crapped out on me, and Motorola phone tools never took over my USB bus, disabling all other devices on it.
Kies did and I had to uninstall it if I wanted any network connectivity on my desktop. Conversely, HTC and Motorola drivers and software work like they are supposed the first time I run them.
There's definitely a reason that Samsung is in 3rd place behind them. Given the issues that the Galaxy S, their flagship device has.... I don't see them overtaking either of those two companies anytime soon.

Tarzanman said:
There's definitely a reason that Samsung is in 3rd place behind them. Given the issues that the Galaxy S, their flagship device has.... I don't see them overtaking either of those two companies anytime soon.
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Hate to break it to you, but Samsung is already the #2 mobile phone manufacturer in the world, after Nokia.

iTunes and the iPhone updating system has had it's fair share of USB related and just bug related problems when updating software or restoring. Nice error messages they give you. Googling them brings you a plethora of people complaining right on the official Apple forums (a rarity because the forum is nazi-moderated).
I have no serious issues with my Vibrant. I know what I like and what I don't. I don't like stock Android.. I know that for certain. Same with a large QWERTY device. Not my thing anymore. I know that people like to ***** and moan on forums, a LOT. The G2 forum has already been graced with a "where is mai andriod 3.0s???" thread and a TON of complains/bugs. From poor signal, to random reboots, from loose hinges, to complaints about where they have the USB port.

Samsung is O K
I have worked with sooo many systems over the last 15 years........ All have their problems. Samsung Galaxy phones are one of the better ones I have dealt with. I tweaked my very first cell phone in the 1980's (set it up with a fake ring tone).
The important thing is notice how many very very good custom ROM and tweaks have come out for this phone That speaks to how much people like the phone. Like I have said before... the phone makers can and must do better.......alot of the lame bugs are because of laziness or just being in a rush. My Vibrant is a great phone. I just want a perfect phone just like all the techies in this forum.

[OFFTOPIC] iPhone vs SGS

Note: all these junk was originally from Dad's not happy topic that has totally gone hijacked by these individuals and turned it into an iphone vs sgs topic
Sounds like your dad should have stuck with his iphone. He wants features that the iphone did and isn't willing to see the light. Fair enough it isn't going to operate identically but the Pros far outway the cons.

Emexrulsier said:
Sounds like your dad should have stuck with his iphone. He wants features that the iphone did and isn't willing to see the light. Fair enough it isn't going to operate identically but the Pros far outway the cons.
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I would argue that. I to have lost faith in the Galaxy S and Samsung in general. I have already bought an iPhone 4 and will soon be selling the Galaxy S.
The delays imposed by Samsung for Froyo and any future firmwares are just intolerable. Kies is a POS. GPS doesn't work really.
The device is great but the rest of it drags it down.
Sorry but it's goodbye from me and it will more then likely be goodbye from him.
Goodbye.

Ancient_One said:
I would argue that. I to have lost faith in the Galaxy S and Samsung in general. I have already bought an iPhone 4 and will soon be selling the Galaxy S.
The delays imposed by Samsung for Froyo and any future firmwares are just intolerable. Kies is a POS. GPS doesn't work really.
The device is great but the rest of it drags it down.
Sorry but it's goodbye from me and it will more then likely be goodbye from him.
Goodbye.
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You have to be kidding right?
iTune for windows is also some real POS... installing 4 or 5 services and 4 or 5 software just to be able to update and sync the thing is an insult in itself...
As for the "wait for a new OS", apple is known to push and delay iOS release more often, even if they make the hardware and the software... Not exactly the same issue when working on an OS optimised for different hardware...
Don't get me wrong, I think apple products are "great" for some part and the iPhone made smartphone what they are today, but don't think they' re perfect!

Ancient_One said:
I would argue that. I to have lost faith in the Galaxy S and Samsung in general. I have already bought an iPhone 4 and will soon be selling the Galaxy S.
The delays imposed by Samsung for Froyo and any future firmwares are just intolerable. Kies is a POS. GPS doesn't work really.
The device is great but the rest of it drags it down.
Sorry but it's goodbye from me and it will more then likely be goodbye from him.
Goodbye.
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Agree. First android phone and maybe last
If it was user friendly like iPhones, without all the crap that seemingly has to happen to get GS to work half decent, then it would be a brilliant device.
I have JPA on mine, stock 2.1 is unusable, and phone still lags and wifi is worse
Struggles to pick up wifi signal from few meters away. Wifi on 2.1 was good.

To those stating that they are selling their SGS and saying goodbye, GOODBYE then.
Now enough sour graping and lets stick to the topic at hand

I got a 3gs in my drawer. I can trade it any time for a sgs.
Just send me the sgs then i send the iphone 3gs back.
All i can say is that iphone 3gs is so far behind the sgs in every area.
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DamianGto said:
I got a 3gs in my drawer. I can trade it any time for a sgs.
Just send me the sgs then i send the iphone 3gs back.
All i can say is that iphone 3gs is so far behind the sgs in every area.
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Try stock 2.1 and tell me what you think of the phone, how it works out of the box? No lag fixes.
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t1mman said:
You have to be kidding right?
iTune for windows is also some real POS... installing 4 or 5 services and 4 or 5 software just to be able to update and sync the thing is an insult in itself...
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Are you for real.
Itunes - Complete package which works everytime and it's one program not many. Not sure where you got the impression it was more them one. Backup, music, movies, TV shows, perfect sync everytime, firmware upgrades everything you would want a program to do for your phone. It works
What you have just described is to poor excuse for a program called Kies.
Kies - No Backup option for the whole phone
Kies - No sync capability for notes and only half hearted ability for contacts and calendar.
Kies - Incorrect identification on music albums splitting up compilation albums into individual albums.
Kies - Maybe I will connect with the SGS today but more then likely not
Get your fact right.
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Nothing to say.

Kies is optional though ;p
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Ancient_One said:
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Are you for real.
Itunes - Complete package which works everytime and it's one program not many. Not sure where you got the impression it was more them one. Backup, music, movies, TV shows, perfect sync everytime, firmware upgrades everything you would want a program to do for your phone. It works
What you have just described is to poor excuse for a program called Kies.
Kies - No Backup option for the whole phone
Kies - No sync capability for notes and only half hearted ability for contacts and calendar.
Kies - Incorrect identification on music albums splitting up compilation albums into individual albums.
Kies - Maybe I will connect with the SGS today but more then likely not
Get your fact right.
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Nothing to say.
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You really don't know much about how windows works, do you?
Install iTunes and look into the task manager, check what new process are running just for iTunes... You have "Bonjour", "Apple Device Connections Manager", "iTunes Sync services", and others I don't remember. Theses are services taking up ressources for the only sake of syncing your iPhone or exchanging data.
I only use kies to get firmware update. When I close it, IT CLOSES...
If I want to share things, copy and paste thing, I put it in Mass Storage Mode and I don't need anymore services. Drag and Drop any Mp3 or Divx, or xVid. Get the picture I taken, the video I've recorded and that's it. Just like if I'd put a thumb drive in.
As for the sync, you've heard of a thing called "Google"... they have the calendar, the contacts and all that is needed there. I'm not even closely afraid to lose any data even if I get a new PC or a new phone. I got the same account with many phones and I get all the same data.
And if you use Kies for your music playback, well... I guess you're better with iTunes/iPhone... But still, Windows Media Player works pretty good on my large collection of music. If I want to load the tracks up in my SGS, well, I just drag and drop 'em in the device... pretty basic stuff a child would be able to do...
iPhone is most likely working like a charm on a mac, but the guys at apple can't program for PC... (almost like it was intended...)
anyway, as it was said already: If you want everything iPhone, BUY AN IPHONE!
Every Android device is made in a different state of (open) mind.

T1mman you habeas used iphone i see.. Lol.
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If you want zero controll and want a other Company(apple) to tell you how to use your stuff i understand why some people love the iphone.
To come to android (sgs)was like get rid of a straight jacket.
This is how a smartphone should work.
how anybody can think itunes is good is a big question for me.
Kies is not good either, but you only need to use it if you want to upgrade to an original firmware.
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I hope this is not how a smart phone should work
Itunes works. Longest ever wait for for important update from apple around 4 weeks, not 12
Iphone doesn't lag like SGS.
I agree about constricted apple platform otherwise I would have just got a IP4. I ain't no apple fan boy!
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Ancient_One said:
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Are you for real.
Itunes - Complete package which works everytime and it's one program not many. Not sure where you got the impression it was more them one. Backup, music, movies, TV shows, perfect sync everytime, firmware upgrades everything you would want a program to do for your phone. It works
What you have just described is to poor excuse for a program called Kies.
Kies - No Backup option for the whole phone
Kies - No sync capability for notes and only half hearted ability for contacts and calendar.
Kies - Incorrect identification on music albums splitting up compilation albums into individual albums.
Kies - Maybe I will connect with the SGS today but more then likely not
Get your fact right.
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iTunes REQUIRES Quicktime to get installed separately. So much for "one program".
As T1mman says, there is more than one process running when you install iTunes.
And Kies is a POS which wants to be like iTunes. I wouldn't say much about it if not for the fact that, like iTunes, it has no Linux version, thus making it quite hard to use it in a free OS environment as I'm using right now.

Logseman said:
iTunes REQUIRES Quicktime to get installed separately. So much for "one program".
As T1mman says, there is more than one process running when you install iTunes.
And Kies is a POS which wants to be like iTunes. I wouldn't say much about it if not for the fact that, like iTunes, it has no Linux version, thus making it quite hard to use it in a free OS environment as I'm using right now.
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Who cares what is running in the back ground on a modern pc?
Most can now handle a zillon ops with little affect.
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Animal06 said:
Who cares what is running in the back ground on a modern pc?
Most can now handle a zillon ops with little affect.
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Yeah, sure! What's the point anyway to built good, powerfull and light apps? Screw stability and lightness... they can handle it...
Good thing most of software engerneer are not thinking like this (or like apple)...
That's probably why apple can't build an os that support hardware 5 years old (G5) where Windows support numerous hardware (Win 7 can run easy on a P4)

We appear to be digressing from the main topic. My advice would be for dad to sell the sgs and get an iPhone 4. I did.
New firmware came out yesterday. Flawless backup, install and reinstall took place through iTunes.
Beat that sgs and kies.

get an iphone 4 and jailbreak...works great...runs like a dream...everything works..
outlook sync...calendar...its all there..no more jacking around with Kies..that is a piece of s...t....headaches over...iphone4 jailbreak..done..
bye bye

I totally agree with t1mman, iTunes it's the worse piece of Spamware ever created
it install too many unnecessary extra apps into your computer and drags it down
you will feel it if you were on a PIII and older machines
Killing the extra Spam installed by Apple makes it run better, but then iTunes complains it can not continue without them.
One of the main reason why I choose Android over Apple
The who point of using Android is to have everything synced to Gmail/Google account, not to sync with a desktop.
Iphone has no good option to sync to a cloud, as most everything is synced to iTunes

OP, thanks for your opinion
I never meant for my comments to be anything other than SGS does not work
out of the box as advertised by Samsung and Telecos on 2.1 or 2.2
My main issues are lag and FC's
It is my first android and I want to know is it Samsungs software, is the phones hardware glitchy or is it android
Out of the box SGS was hopeless after a few apps installed.
If not for 2.2 reg hack SGS would be in the bin.

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Try stock 2.1 and tell me what you think of the phone, how it works out of the box? No lag fixes.
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Until I read about lag and lag fixes on this forum, my SGS was brilliant. I had it for about 2 months and it gave me 0 issues. I had issues with swype but swype is an aftermarket addon. Lagfixes only made it that much better.
Ive got iPhone 4 and the SGS and a HD2. The iPhone 4 is with my lady coz she likes the simple device, the HD2 is with my brother coz he loves the big screen. The galaxy s is with me coz its what I wanted from my HD2.

Hashtag for Twitter: For those pissed at Samsung * #NeverAgain *

I stay in the Vibrant section, but was hoping others could help the cause.
I generally remain calm and try and remain upbeat and defend... but the news (rumor/leak) about Samsung holding off the froyo release to sell more phones set me over the edge.
While nothing is confirmed, I still believe Samsung needs to be aware of just how pissed they are making our community. I'm not talking stupid class action, blah blah... I simply want our voice heard, and for a Froyo release to happen ASAP... but beyond that, I want them to adhere to the Open Handset Alliance and release their source for our developers.
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/
I believe we all now who is going to put out a better product, and right now they (our developers) are handicapped because they do not have everything they need.
That said, we need to be organized!
We need twitter to trend.
To do that, we all need to use the same #hashtag. We also need to threaten something that means something to them... the whole problem is they are not updating to help with their sales (allegedly). Well, we need to threaten to never buy Samsung again.
Please use this #Hashtag:
#NeverAgain
would work.... it is easy to use, short and to the point.
An example: (just copy/paste this if you like)
[email protected] I will never buy a Samsung product after the way you've treated your customers. #NeverAgain
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OR (thanks to @JunkDruggler):
@Samsungtweets After the BH2 fail and the Vibrant fail.. I will #NeverAgain buy #samsung..
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You need to tweet:
@SamsungMobileUS and/or @SamsungTweets
I sent a similar tweet earlier, and they are now following me. THEY ARE LISTENING... MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD!!
I do not use Facebook (wow), BUT, here is a LOT of their information compliments of a post from XDA user AllGamer.
AllGamer said:
List of Facebook Samsung's accounts related to our cause:
Mobile Department
Samsung Mobile
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobile#!/SamsungMobile?v=wall
Samsung Mobile Canada
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungCanada#!/samsungmobilecanada?v=wall
Samsung Mobile España
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...ges/Samsung-Mobile-Espana/108610811866?v=wall
Samsung Mobile Global
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileGlobal#!/SamsungMobileGlobal?v=wall
Samsung Mobile Romania
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileRomania
Samsung Mobile Singapore
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileSingapore#!/SamsungMobileSingapore?v=wall
Samsung Mobile UK
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungUKmobile#!/SamsungUKmobile?v=wall
another Samsung Mobile ?
http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=72687635881&v=wall
Country
Canada
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungCanada#!/SamsungCanada?v=wall
Korea
http://www.facebook.com/samsungkorea#!/samsungkorea?v=wall
USA
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungUSA?v=app_264732985926#!/SamsungUSA?v=wall
Models fan base pages?
Samsung Galaxy S
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...pages/Samsung-Galaxy-S/112079458807762?v=wall
Samsung Galaxy S Romania
http://www.facebook.com/i9000GalaxyS
Samsung Captivate
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...ages/Samsung-Captivate/114820871900462?v=wall
Samsung Epic ?
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungEpic#!/SamsungEpic?v=wall
Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant ?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsu...msung-Galaxy-S-Vibrant/129061660469467?v=wall
Unknowns
Engineering ?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsung-Engineering/105652329467423?v=desc
Service ?
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungService#!/SamsungService?v=wall
Samsung ?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Samsung/25448656869#!/pages/Samsung/25448656869?v=wall
Samsung Apps ?
http://www.facebook.com/SamsungApps?filter=2#!/SamsungApps?v=wall
If anyone can confirm which ones are official and which ones are fan based, it'll be greatly appreciated.
The ones in the Mobile Department and Country specific are definitely legit, anything else are most likely fan based sites.
- NEW full list of legit Samsung Twitter accounts -
http://twitter.com/Samsung/lists
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Haha. Did you see they just said they plan on selling 60 million handsets in 2011? I had to tweet back to them myself on that one. I said good luck since about 50% of power users won't ever buy another samsung after the failures with the Galaxy S.

Thanks for the crosspost from the vibrant forum, I wouldn't have seen it otherwise, so I hope the mods don't remove it.
I set up a twitter account just to complain to Samsung. They should be embarrassed over this. They and Sprint should fire all their devs and hire the folks here. It's ridiculous what is accomplished here by the developers working without full resources or a paycheck compared to what Samsung gets accomplished. It's amateur hour over there.

Tweeted!!! I'm with this movement all the way. Never again will I buy another Samsung phone.

Done and done. Thanks for getting this movement started, power to the people!

patrickoneal said:
Thanks for the crosspost from the vibrant forum, I wouldn't have seen it otherwise, so I hope the mods don't remove it.
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Thanks man, I felt bad because I did it and THEN thought to myself, shoot... this breaks an XDA rule. I hope that XDA will have a bit of leniency for this isolated event. That said, I certainly would understand if they did close it... sad but I did break a rule.
Our developers need their source!

I also want to add GalaxySSupport to complain to on twitter. It is the support twitter feed for all of the US Galaxy S variants.
Sent from my Shoe.... I mean my Samsung Shoe.... I mean my Samsung Epic

I tweeted them my 2 cents. Thanks for this. I hope alot of people actually jump on it. Not that it's likely to do anything. Still worth a try though!
That being said, it's pretty sad, because the epic has tons of promise. Oh well.

This will work out about as well as internet petitions.
(hint: It accomplishes nothing.. Ever)

done!.........10ch

Done!
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styckx said:
This will work out about as well as internet petitions.
(hint: It accomplishes nothing.. Ever)
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Don't be so sure of that. A smaller website maybe, but one like xda that reaches so many people, its possible to scare them enough to believe we can effect their sales. Its energy better spent than posting over and over speculating about froyo so it also serves a two fold purpose. Overall I'm behind this.
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Done as well.
Man, i hope that rumor isn't true..

Did my part. I hope Samsung listens. They make great phones but need to step away from using an open source platform to maximize how much money they coul make by leaving their existing phone users to die.

I agree with everyone that says the hardware is great, but I just can't stand the fact that Samsung is so slow to update to froyo even after all the complaints. There isn't any sort of support for this phone. Also, the fact they can't promise 2.3 (Gingerbread), as LG has done on the Optimus, even though they were able to put 2.3 on a Nexus S which basically has the same hardware is ridiculous.
You can tell me that I should just root and stop whining but that doesn't solve the problem. It's the principle. I feel like people are just sitting back and saying that the corporations will do what they want to do, which is to look only at short term profits (based on the article on AndroidSpin). If we can affect their bottom line through bad reviews of their products and petitions such as this one I'm sure they'll listen.
Also, if we just sit back and do nothing they'll just do it again and again. The reason for the "whining" is not for the sake of just whining, I just personally want to have the best android platform we can get.
In addition, isn't it just easier for everyone (rooted and not rooted) if we got the upgrade from Samsung directly? So why not try to make our lives easier.
That's why I'm all for this. Just my two cents.
Also, I would suggest people write poor reviews on places like CNET where less "techy" people might read reviews on cellphones before making purchases.

dont think this is going to work because with twitter they haev the same canned response everytime its mentioned , someone needs to reach the higher ups like super management somehow. let them know how unhappy everyone is

Whuts do we need to post on Samsung site? I honestly post sumthing to them daily about dropping the ball on froyo n galaxy
They responded to me w the bull ish Re they sent to everybody about froyo due to the complexity whutever lol
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Done and done.

I wish HTC had invented the super amoled and bought intrinsity instead of samsung. After hearing about all these "new" galaxys s phones being released I can only hope that if and when the froyo source is released it will give devs the code they need for porting 2.3 and beyond. I hope people realize they shouldn't buy these phones and the new galaxy s sales plummet to hell.
I don't use twitter, so I can't post but I do hope this movement is successful in getting samsung to wake up.

I just posted a "tip" link to the Vibrant article on Engadget. The whole Galaxy S Froyo update has been a running joke there, so hopefully they will pick up on this latest news.

he Samsung/ Android Update Debacle Now Hear This!

Seith Weintraub over at Fortune Magazine published a really great article today in response to Apple Fan Boy MG Siegler’s article about IOS updates. Now of course most of you know even though Mr. Paris Lemon is a deep mac boy we have a overall Tech Crunch Fans. However, MG or (Lemon if that’s what you prefer to call him) said that 90% of IOS users were on the most updated version of IOS and Android users, aboud .4% had a chance of being on the latest version. Seth, quick to help us out, pointed out that 90% of Android users are on 2.XX while 52% are on 2.2, yes we know that 2.3 is out now.
Everyone is also very aware of all the name calling, insult throwing, accusations and blowback Samsung is receiving because they are holding back an Android 2.2 upgrade on all 4 US major carrier Galaxy S devices just because they have the Samsung Vibrant 4G coming out in a few weeks on T-Mobile. That’s right the Verizon Fascinate, the Sprint Epic 4G and the AT&T Captivate are all being held back simply because of the T-Mobile device.. right? OF COURSE NOT!
Most of the other Galaxy S variants in every other country in the world have already received an upgrade to 2.2 via KIES or by way of an OTA through their carrier. The first thing we need to know in America is that Kies is not readily available to us. This is by way of the CARRIER and not Samsung.
The second thing you need to take into consideration, kind of like Android as a whole, is that a lot of the Samsung Galaxy S’ were acutally sold OUTSIDE of the United States. So to me the logic that Samsung only cares about the bottom line can be debated by the argument than why did all the other countries get the update quicker.
Hopefully you’re following me so far and the rest of this will just end up pissing people off.
- Many of the people whining about Samsung updates and bashing Samsung in general don’t own a Samsung phone. Or don’t use one on a regular basis. Remeber according to Andy Ruben we are activating 300,000 Android devices per day. A lot of those are for normal consumer people. The bulk of the readers of the tech blog readers, writers and community aren’t normal “consumers”. The normal consumers get upset when they start hearing about these updates through their tech savvy friends and then feel slighted.
- Most of the Samsung Galaxy S variants came with Android 2.1 in a modified form with touchwiz on top, couple that with the hardware (superAMOLED screen, 1ghz hummingbird processor) etc and the proprietary social hub, media hub etc, that actual normal consumers are taking advantage of you still have a pretty darn good, up to date device. We aren’t talking Sony Xperia here that released with 1.6 we’re talking about a version of 2.1 that was fancy schmancy at the time. Add to that the fact that both the Fascinate and the Epic 4G included Mobile Hotspot (one of the key features from 2.2) and what out of this world, oh my god my phone is so outdated, feature are the general public Samsung customers missing?
- The next thing we have to realize is the way America works. There is a lot more bureacracy from the government and carrier politics from our wireless carriers than most other countries. There is a lot of red tape for everything that happens in the wireless industry on the carrier/manufacturer side than any other country in the world. Take kies for instance if America had access to kies everyone with a Samsung Galaxy S phone would be upgraded.
Now take your active Android Evangelists, ones with a passionate heart and a vested interest in Android who actually own a Samsung Galaxy S phone. Your @theandroidgirl and @raywalters for instance, these people, among countless others who are on twitter and podcasts and were big enough believers to purchase a Samsung Galaxy S variant, and who may have partially based their decision on the fact that Samsung did say (at least at IFA) that we would see Froyo by the end of 2010, these people have legitimate complaints to the source.
Of course its also very disheartening that Samsung obviously has the source code for 2.3 as it’s running on the Nexus S today. And Gingerbread is a whole different issue.
For our followers on Samsung Galaxy S US Variants, we feel for you but have a challenge:
In the comments below, tell us what you are looking for out of Froyo that you aren’t getting out of the modified version of 2.1 that’s on your Galaxy S now?
Why should you do this? Take a trip over to samsung.com and you will see that thedroidguy is one of the twitter accounts featured on Samsung’s website. Trust me comments here will be seen by people that matter at Samsung. And for the record, even as someone who genuinely suports Samsung, we are very disappointed in this whole Samsung upgrade mess and definitely feel let down that US users didnt get a Froyo update in 2010. And also for the record as far as the phones I am currently using, my 1st use phone is a Droid Pro, 2nd is a Samsung Nexus S and 3rd is an HTC Desire.
Source: http://thedroidguy.com/2011/01/the-samsung-android-update-debacle-now-hear-this/

heathmcabee said:
In the comments below, tell us what you are looking for out of Froyo that you aren’t getting out of the modified version of 2.1 that’s on your Galaxy S now?
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JIT Compiler
Flash Support
Honeycomb Media Player Leak
Better Exchange Support
GPS Fix (hopefully)
...just a few things I can think of off the top of my head

JIT compiler
Flash support
Apps on SD card
Gps fixes
Bluetooth voice dialing
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Include on that list:
- latest google apps and several other apps we can't use or upgrade to because we need 2.2.
Also, how about Samsung's own docks that require 2.2 in order to use certain functions.

crajee16 said:
Include on that list:
- latest google apps and several other apps we can't use or upgrade to because we need 2.2.
Also, how about Samsung's own docks that require 2.2 in order to use certain functions.
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Dock still doesn't work on 2.2 DK28. Sound only came from my left speaker in the DK17 build.
-Roger

I want my About Phone page to have the number 2.2 on it. Thats my only reason.

ryno502 said:
jit compiler
flash support
apps on sd card
gps fixes
bluetooth voice dialing
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+1. .

Mostly the 2.2 apps like Chrome to Phone, GPS fix, and apps to SD Card.
Almost forgot Flash, that's a pretty big one. I honestly don't care about 2.3 all that much.
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Cloud 2 mobile device too right?

The source of 2.2 for the Epic. Then we will have some great roms.
Also:
Jit and other speed enhancements
Support for the latest apps
Touchwiz 3

I want the hardware keyboard to keep up with my typing. The reason I bought the phone over the EVO was the slideout keyboard. I use it but find myself hitting the backspace far too often because a letter was missed.
Flash is a nice addition as well.

ryno502 said:
JIT compiler
Flash support
Apps on SD card
Gps fixes
Bluetooth voice dialing
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AND source code! Our developers are handicapped without it.
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FYI all, the OP post was taken from the link provided which is: http://thedroidguy.com/2011/01/the-samsung-android-update-debacle-now-hear-this/.
pretty sure the indication was to put your comments on THAT article, not in this thread if you want the peeps at sammy to see it. just trying to help you out, lol

amosher13 said:
FYI all, the OP post was taken from the link provided which is: http://thedroidguy.com/2011/01/the-samsung-android-update-debacle-now-hear-this/.
pretty sure the indication was to put your comments on THAT article, not in this thread if you want the peeps at sammy to see it. just trying to help you out, lol
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Ohhhhhhh! You're so smart!!! Lol thanks!
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socos25 said:
I want the hardware keyboard to keep up with my typing. The reason I bought the phone over the EVO was the slideout keyboard.
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Big fuggin +1. At least the gingerbread keyboard works really well.

I'm on DK28 so the only thing I'm still lacking is audio out functionality with the car/desk dock.
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stir fry a lot said:
Big fuggin +1. At least the gingerbread keyboard works really well.
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I type fast on the keyboard and it works very well. Although i did turn off the stupid software keyboards since they annoy me when they pop up. Turned off the autocorrect on the hardware keyboard too.

How about skipping 2.2 and giving us some gingerbread love with 2.3 since it is already out.
1. GPS fix
2. Bluetooth voice dialing.
3. Flash
4. Saving apps to sd card.
5. JIT compiler

hmmm let's see, how about...
bluetooth voice command.... ever used "Vlingo"??
with almost all states banning texting and operating a mobile device while driving, bluetooth voice command is a MUST!!

My question to any qualified attorney and in general is at what point does the failure to meet an annouced release date become false advertisment particularly when said annoucement is just as advertisement material to coerce comsumers into purchasing one product over another one?
http://thedroidguy.com/2011/01/the-samsung-android-update-debacle-now-hear-this/#dsq-form-area
Stock DI18 to Stock DK28

This is why Android sucks - Update hell

Samsung has a great tablet but it is rapidly falling behind others in the updates.
And the BS about only rolling in certain markets to alienate customers.
Who does that?
Who in their right mind thinks that is a great idea?
So everywhere else your paying customers don't get the update they deserve.
Also we still don't have touchwiz, but Samsung is rolling out updates to certain people wtf? Some got Touchwiz, some got Google Movies, mine shows jack / nada / zilch.
Honestly, I don't know what Samsung's logic is for all this but it just sucks.

Stop whining.

mmoran27 said:
Samsung has a great tablet but it is rapidly falling behind others in the updates.
And the BS about only rolling in certain markets to alienate customers.
Who does that?
Who in their right mind thinks that is a great idea?
So everywhere else your paying customers don't get the update they deserve.
Also we still don't have touchwiz, but Samsung is rolling out updates to certain people wtf? Some got Touchwiz, some got Google Movies, mine shows jack / nada / zilch.
Honestly, I don't know what Samsung's logic is for all this but it just sucks.
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I only see Xoom and TF having HC 3.2 so far. Everybody else is still on 3.1.

It just came out...geez cry me a river...return and get a bulky tab with crappy screen....u sound like those guys on vibrant forum...go pout somewhere else! And most of us are running touchwiz...spend less time complaining about the best tab out and learn to flash.
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take it back and go get yourself an Ipad then

You sir need an I pad..

And you still got a GT 10.1 because...?

i do totally agree with you about Samsung really, really sucking it in the update department. The problem with Samsung is they build really awesome and powerful devices but they just don't build the software to match up with them. That is why we have XDA. Dude you can run touchwhiz and you can update. Just give it some time and you will see some better things on here that Samsung can't even come close to touching. This is a brand new tab and only a few weeks old. Give everyone a chance to pick one up and then this forum is going to blow up.

OP Samsung is a hardware company, google is the one who developed android. Because android does not belongs to Samsung thats why samsung cant do anything about updates and stuff. You can see Apple's updates moves fast because they are both hardware and software manufacturer so they can do fast updates they have one device to fix it. Google has so many devices to take care of and so many regions to consider. So it will take more time than usual. As you can see on samsung website that they uploaded the new drivers for pc and mac which was fast update because that update was in their hand. Samsung has nothing to blame about update if you want to blame then blame google.

Once ics comes out and the source is released there won't be a problem.

you are right about google
But the hardware vendors are responsible for the updates.
So it is Samsung.
Google has no idea how they are going to enforce update policy and there is no guarantee Samsung will even upgrade the 10.1.

i don't understand way people complain about updates. If it is that important root and flash.
A little game I play with fellow android users is ask them what version are they running most don't know or even know how to look.

stillblood said:
A little game I play with fellow android users is ask them what version are they running most don't know or even know how to look.
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I bet most of them would be able to tell you what features are buggy on their device though

stillblood said:
i don't understand way people complain about updates. If it is that important root and flash.
A little game I play with fellow android users is ask them what version are they running most don't know or even know how to look.
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What don't you understand? That I am a tech savy individual but want to have the most up-to-date software on my device in a timely time-frame? Or that I DO NOT want to Root or Flash my Tablet? Be serious. Your telling him to basically get a iPad because they offer updates across the board. That's not a good thing for Android.

DO NOT WANT TO ROOT OR FLASH !!?
WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON XDA THEN ?!! LOLZ
you guys are funny to post these complains here, if you want something official ?
go on Samsung's website/facebook or just send them a bunch of hate mail.
jeeez

tabing said:
OP Samsung is a hardware company, google is the one who developed android. Because android does not belongs to Samsung thats why samsung cant do anything about updates and stuff. You can see Apple's updates moves fast because they are both hardware and software manufacturer so they can do fast updates they have one device to fix it. Google has so many devices to take care of and so many regions to consider. So it will take more time than usual. As you can see on samsung website that they uploaded the new drivers for pc and mac which was fast update because that update was in their hand. Samsung has nothing to blame about update if you want to blame then blame google.
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Actually 8. 2 iPhone's, 2 iPod Touches, 4 iPad's. #justsayin

Android is to college as the iPad is to high school. It's more work but the rewards are greater.
There are plenty of people happy with the iPad. Personally, I'm not going to settle for a device that my grandmother can use.

I'll never understand why people are so hell bent on having the latest upgrade of the OS on the devices they use. It's an over the top emotional quest for some.
The Galaxy Tab is a tool, a means to the end. It's not the end itself.
These are the same people that get a new car every two years because their car looks dated. It's a status thing that makes no sense.
If you can run the apps you need on the Galaxy Tab then it matters not what version Android is installed.

TabGuy said:
I'll never understand why people are so hell bent on having the latest upgrade of the OS on the devices they use. It's an over the top emotional quest for some.
The Galaxy Tab is a tool, a means to the end. It's not the end itself.
These are the same people that get a new car every two years because their car looks dated. It's a status thing that makes no sense.
If you can run the apps you need on the Galaxy Tab then it matters not what version Android is installed.
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I'm sure that's the case for some and I agree with some of what you say, but I can say for me, however, that it is the allure of the promise of improved functionality. Anything that makes my device harder, better, faster, stronger is all right by me. Of course, roms can do that too, but some prefer "official" whether the reason is snobbery, stock OCD, timidness, what have you.

Phil_Glisson said:
I'm sure that's the case for some and I agree with some of what you say, but I can say for me, however, that it is the allure of the promise of improved functionality. Anything that makes my device harder, better, faster, stronger is all right by me. Of course, roms can do that too, but some prefer "official" whether the reason is snobbery, stock OCD, timidness, what have you.
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I look outside my office and see 10 cubicles, all with PCs running Windows XP. It's stable and runs like a work horse. And, you know what? They get their job done every day and go home at the end of the week with a paycheck. Never once have they asked for Windows 7.
I simply can't imagine what the next version of Android, or Touchwiz, will do for the average user to make it worth venting about on a public forum simply because they didn't get it NOW.