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4G in the Bay Area (California)

For those of you Bay Area kids that are jonesing as hard as I am for our 4G service, I did some testing while at work in Palo Alto today (where Clear has rolled out a special developer pocket of 4G service). I took some screenshots with the EVO 4G as my test device - and published a little write-up on my blog.
Give it a read.
http://dylandersen.me/post/633300884/4g-in-the-bay-area-how-fast-is-it-really

Thanks for posting this.
I am from Santa Clara and i did notice how fast 4G can be.
However i did notice something with my 4G behavior and i was wondering if you noticed the same.
If i connect to 4G and the phone is idle (i.e. not using any app that requires data usage) the connection will drop and enter an endless reconnect loop where when it reconnects it will stay connected for 20 sec and drop again.
To avoid this i need to open an app that uses data (i.e. listen to internet radio) and then the connection will be stable.
Have you noticed this behavior as well?

the article you linked said:
But, as obnoxious as that may seem, it’s actually quite understanding when you hold this device in your hand. AND, what a lot of the critics (Slashgear, Engadget, Gizmodo, Phonedog, Pocketnow - the list of naysayerse goes on) are forgetting to mention amidst their insane iPhone-fanboy frenzy, is that the iPhone itself had a $10 plan upcharge when switching from the original (2G) iPhone to the iPhone 3G. AT&T said it was because of the 3G connection.
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I don't care enough to prove you wrong about every site you listed but Droiddog (the android section of Phonedog) is, in my opinion, the best Android news and review site on the web. You're basically saying the the entire Internet thinks Apple can do no wrong and that's just wrong.
Engadget's iPad review said:
At this point we've run the full spectrum on iPad opinion. It should be clear that there are aspects of this device which we love, and others which we clearly do not.
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But, as obnoxious as that may seem, it’s actually quite understanding when you hold this device in your hand. AND, what a lot of the critics (Slashgea
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I don't care enough to prove you wrong about every site you listed but Droiddog (the android section of Phonedog) is, in my opinion, the best Android news and review site on the web. You're basically saying the the entire Internet thinks Apple can do no wrong and that's just wrong.
At this point we've run the full spectrum on iPad opinion. It should be clear that there are aspects of this device which we love, and others which we clearly do not.
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Droiddog does a good job at coverage but I was not speaking about John, mainly Noah who is so in love with the iPhone it hurts.
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Thanks for posting this.
I am from Santa Clara and i did notice how fast 4G can be.
However i did notice something with my 4G behavior and i was wondering if you noticed the same.
If i connect to 4G and the phone is idle (i.e. not using any app that requires data usage) the connection will drop and enter an endless reconnect loop where when it reconnects it will stay connected for 20 sec and drop again.
To avoid this i need to open an app that uses data (i.e. listen to internet radio) and then the connection will be stable.
Have you noticed this behavior as well?
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I noticed a bit of this, but I think its mainly because the network is in its infancy and doesnt know how to handle idleness very well. At least you know of a work around.
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Great read bro.
My fam lives up north. I figure its time for another run to the stockton , pittsburgh ,santa clara and fairfield area.
Can't wait!

Nice read. I live in Vallejo and one day after I received my Evo I too can drive to PA area for some 4G goodness!!! I have no regret ever now leaving At&t expensive monthly family plan (with corporate discounts) to Sprint Everything Family Data plan of $103 a month for two lines. Boy I'm going to enjoy this, BTW this Sprint Hero I have to hold me off until the Evo release is my first Android phone (always been on Win Mobile). Already having tons of fun with the 1.5 stock on the Hero and let alone the Evo with soon to be the latest Android I am super super pumped up. Hurry hurry up June 4th!!! LOL

Sprint Epic 4G Update Brings Faster Uploads Tomorrow

Sprint Epic 4G Update Brings Faster Uploads Tomorrow
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By: Chuong Nguyen | 5:06 PM 29-Sep-10 | 0 Comments
Forum member dshoem01 on Sprint's community forums has promised that the carrier will be releasing an update to the Sprint Epic 4G that will be coming tomorrow, September 30th, and will be rolled out over the air over four days. The firmware update should fix the slow upload speeds that Epic 4G owners have been experiencing, which caps their uploads to a measly 150 kbps on Sprint's 3G network. According to the forum post, "Good news - an update will be released tomorrow 9/30. It will be rolled out over a 4 day period so not everyone will get it on day 1. I will have the standard MR information (fixes included, rollout schedule, etc) available tomorrow morning and will post it in a new featured thread."
(via: Engadget)
http://pocketnow.com/android/sprint-epic-4g-update-brings-faster-uploads-tomorrow
cant wait to see someone use this in there rom

blastboi said:
Sprint Epic 4G Update Brings Faster Uploads Tomorrow
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By: Chuong Nguyen | 5:06 PM 29-Sep-10 | 0 Comments
Forum member dshoem01 on Sprint's community forums has promised that the carrier will be releasing an update to the Sprint Epic 4G that will be coming tomorrow, September 30th, and will be rolled out over the air over four days. The firmware update should fix the slow upload speeds that Epic 4G owners have been experiencing, which caps their uploads to a measly 150 kbps on Sprint's 3G network. According to the forum post, "Good news - an update will be released tomorrow 9/30. It will be rolled out over a 4 day period so not everyone will get it on day 1. I will have the standard MR information (fixes included, rollout schedule, etc) available tomorrow morning and will post it in a new featured thread."
(via: Engadget)
http://pocketnow.com/android/sprint-epic-4g-update-brings-faster-uploads-tomorrow
cant wait to see someone use this in there rom
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FYI, i take anything Engadget posts with a HUGE grain of salt. Not saying it won't come tomorrow, I have faith it will. But the article on Epic Problems was written by a guy who's top devices are a Netbook, an XBOX 360 and the Palm Pre. This guy wouldn't know good hardware if it *****slapped him in the face.

rufflez2010 said:
FYI, i take anything Engadget posts with a HUGE grain of salt. Not saying it won't come tomorrow, I have faith it will. But the article on Epic Problems was written by a guy who's top devices are a Netbook, an XBOX 360 and the Palm Pre. This guy wouldn't know good hardware if it *****slapped him in the face.
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lol thx for the heads up

rufflez2010 said:
FYI, i take anything Engadget posts with a HUGE grain of salt. Not saying it won't come tomorrow, I have faith it will. But the article on Epic Problems was written by a guy who's top devices are a Netbook, an XBOX 360 and the Palm Pre. This guy wouldn't know good hardware if it *****slapped him in the face.
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That article was pretty accurate. The Epic has some pretty serious issues.

drizek said:
That article was pretty accurate. The Epic has some pretty serious issues.
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The only one I've ever experienced was the 3G upload. and it just isn't a big deal for me right now. Plus, fix is in the works.
People who have the market download problem didn't clear their cache before flashing a ROM. That's no one's fault except the person who flashed the ROM. The only time I've had anything fail in the market is when I was actively switching from wifi to 3g or vice versa. Download restarted fine with no issues.
GPS, sorry, just don't experience them. I apologize for those with them, but I just have not had an issue getting a lock when I'm outdoors. I travel to different stores everyday for work, and I've never had an issue navigating there. GPS/Maps way better on this phone than Hero, which frequently put me on some side road instead of the current one, and no one *****es about that phone's GPS issues.

rufflez2010 said:
The only one I've ever experienced was the 3G upload. and it just isn't a big deal for me right now. Plus, fix is in the works.
People who have the market download problem didn't clear their cache before flashing a ROM. That's no one's fault except the person who flashed the ROM. The only time I've had anything fail in the market is when I was actively switching from wifi to 3g or vice versa. Download restarted fine with no issues.
GPS, sorry, just don't experience them. I apologize for those with them, but I just have not had an issue getting a lock when I'm outdoors. I travel to different stores everyday for work, and I've never had an issue navigating there. GPS/Maps way better on this phone than Hero, which frequently put me on some side road instead of the current one, and no one *****es about that phone's GPS issues.
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I didn't have GPS issues at first, but eventually I started to experience it. The biggest problem though is the battery drain that can basically kill the whole thing in 4-5 hours.

drizek said:
I didn't have GPS issues at first, but eventually I started to experience it. The biggest problem though is the battery drain that can basically kill the whole thing in 4-5 hours.
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Seriously, this update needs to fix the 3G battery drain that is killing this phone. Fixing the GPS would be nice too, but upload speeds are a distant third on the list of stuff that needs to be fixed ASAP...

FUGGG. Just remembered that I'm gonna have to re-install all the Sprint/Samsung apps to get this update like i did last time. -___-
As least I will remember how to do it this time!

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NeonMonster said:
FUGGG. Just remembered that I'm gonna have to re-install all the Sprint/Samsung apps to get this update like i did last time. -___-
As least I will remember how to do it this time!
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Lol, yeah.
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I just got a prl update pushed to me as I was resetting my phone. My rom is stock though I have a modified kernel. I have bad 3g signal here but I have full 3g/4g bars at work. I suppose today we find out!
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I thought its already been uncapped?
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Multimedia
Input your msl (find it using adb command getprop, look for msl in readout)
Change rtsp proxy to 0.0.0.0 and rtsp proxy port to 0
Credit goes to CHIBUCKS at SDX-Developers:
http://forum.sdx-developers.com/android-2-1/%28solved%29-android-2-1-streaming-apps/

NeonMonster said:
FUGGG. Just remembered that I'm gonna have to re-install all the Sprint/Samsung apps to get this update like i did last time. -___-
As least I will remember how to do it this time!
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you won't if you just wait for the devs on here to give us one flashable via clockwork. might take an extra day or few but its worth the wait if you think about it

HeroHTC said:
I thought its already been uncapped?
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Multimedia
Input your msl (find it using adb command getprop, look for msl in readout)
Change rtsp proxy to 0.0.0.0 and rtsp proxy port to 0
Credit goes to CHIBUCKS at SDX-Developers:
http://forum.sdx-developers.com/android-2-1/(solved)-android-2-1-streaming-apps/
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Just tried this but its still the same. Make a new thread concerning this please..
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HeroHTC said:
I thought its already been uncapped?
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Multimedia
Input your msl (find it using adb command getprop, look for msl in readout)
Change rtsp proxy to 0.0.0.0 and rtsp proxy port to 0
Credit goes to CHIBUCKS at SDX-Developers:
http://forum.sdx-developers.com/android-2-1/%28solved%29-android-2-1-streaming-apps/
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This does not uncap the upload speed, it just doesn't route your internet traffic through a proxy anymore, after you change this.

What is the PRL version number for the updated PRL?

I got a PRL update today but not sure if i just didn't update it in the past.
Version
60671

scriz said:
This does not uncap the upload speed, it just doesn't route your internet traffic through a proxy anymore, after you change this.
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So does this help with our high lag/ ping issue?
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stinger4321 said:
So does this help with our high lag/ ping issue?
I would also like to know if this does fix the latency issues the phone has or the ping which really blows ...
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Well I changed mine to eliminate the proxy and with 2bars of signal on 3g I got a ping of 145 with speedtest app also it now shows a server thats actually near me . The same server when I test the 4g speeds! That could bed the reason for a lower ping though
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Also when I ran it multiple times I recieved 180kbps upload everytime. This is the highest I have seen it on 3g
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You will be disappointed by hsupa

Everyone is so angry that we don't have this feature active. I am as well but soley on principle. The truth is the average user wont notice any significant change in their data usage once we get hsupa unlocked on our phones. We will still have slow 3g speeds on our so called 4g phones. The only difference is you will be able to put your pictures up faster on Facebook. I think alot of people are confused as to what the update will unlock for us. I'm not here to bash because I love my atrix. Its one of the best pieces of hardware I have owned. I just wish we could get some vanilla android on it. So when they roll out the update and your wondering where your 4g speeds are at least youll have a heads up. Until att rolls out their back haul project we will still have slower than iPhone 3gs hspa speeds.
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3GS doesn't have HSPA+ capabilities. You are right though. Most of us will not experience 4g speeds.
However, you are wrong in that hsupa only increases upload speeds. Hsupa helps decrease ping, from what I've seen, by half of what we get now. This shows for faster data downloads.
Also, nobody is going to be disappointed there upload speeds aren't capped anymore.
You're also right in that the average user won't notice a difference. But we're xda members here. We notice every thing.
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For me it is somewhat on principle and somewhat on reality. I have a Xperia X10 with generic ROM and I easily get 1200 kbps upload speed, considering Sony got bashed for older technology and at&t discontinued it after around 6 months, I think it is totally ridiculous that my Atrix has 25% of its upload speed.
There is a very noticeable difference in upload time, it takes me way too long to upload pictures to picasa and I do that a lot, almost with every picture I take.
I love mine as well but I am really looking forward to the increased upload speeds.
My 2 cents.

Upload pics and video daily. I miss might iOS iPhone 4
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Faster ping yes. Faster download...no....faster ping means faster connection to a download. Either way it shouldnt have been disabled. Yes were xda members but there is still prob 50% of the members that dont understand the diffference between data connections or speed. The 3gs isnt hspa+ capable but i used to get faster data speeds on mine than i do with my atrix. The 3gs was capable of 7.2 hsdpa speeds i believe?. So sad
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Faster ping yes. Faster download...no....faster ping means faster connection to a download. Either way it shouldnt have been disabled. Yes were xda members but there is still prob 50% of the members that dont understand the diffference between data connections or speed. The 3gs isnt hspa+ capable but i used to get faster data speeds on mine than i do with my atrix. The 3gs was capable of 7.2 hsdpa speeds i believe?. So sad
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My wife has a 3gs and we get the same speeds. Same with my buddy's iphone4. We just have slower upload. Looks like you thought better upload would help our downloads. Anyone who bought this phone thinking they would get 4g speeds are smokin something.
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Smallsmx3 said:
Faster ping yes. Faster download...no....faster ping means faster connection to a download. Either way it shouldnt have been disabled. Yes were xda members but there is still prob 50% of the members that dont understand the diffference between data connections or speed. The 3gs isnt hspa+ capable but i used to get faster data speeds on mine than i do with my atrix. The 3gs was capable of 7.2 hsdpa speeds i believe?. So sad
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Better ping means better everything. Second, our Atrix is capable of 14.4 down.
If you don't understand the value of lower ping with download speeds, than you don't understand how these things work.
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What we will see is faster average download speeds. Speedtest.net is fine but you do.not really see those speeds. There are way to many varibales.
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I understand....i know what the atrix is capable of.....u seem to be alot more educated about this than i.....i was just trying to make a general sratement when i started this thread because there seem to be alot of misinformed people. I figured by starting this thread that the right info could get out there and users would understand what it is we are getting. I apreciate u clearing things up.....it would be nice fore someone to post the correct info about data connections and sticky it.
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Smallsmx3 said:
I understand....i know what the atrix is capable of.....u seem to be alot more educated about this than i.....i was just trying to make a general sratement when i started this thread because there seem to be alot of misinformed people. I figured by starting this thread that the right info could get out there and users would understand what it is we are getting. I apreciate u clearing things up.....it would be nice fore someone to post the correct info about data connections and sticky it.
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Better ping will be a better overall online experience, you can't deny that.
I easily notice it when I take my SIM out of my Atrix and put it into my Milestone or Fascinate. Sometimes I have scramble for WiFi to get a better reliable connection. Why should I have to do that on a data plan?
The HSUPA update would definitely help...

Ok...help by a couple of miliseconds. I had it on my captivate. All im stating is the average user is going to be disappointed. Average user includes most of the noobs.
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Smallsmx3 said:
Ok...help by a couple of miliseconds. I had it on my captivate. All im stating is the average user is going to be disappointed. Average user includes most of the noobs.
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Too bad none of us are average users then. Most average users don't know or don't care what HSUPA is or what it does. To them as long it says H+ ont heir phone, they don't care. Telling us we'll be disappointed is pointless, simply because we already know what's coming.
A few of us own multiple devices (myself included), and have experience with what HSUPA does and provides. I myself own an Inspire and Captivate as well as the Atrix, and HSUPA will definitely be a blessing.

Smallsmx3 said:
Everyone is so angry that we don't have this feature active. I am as well but soley on principle. The truth is the average user wont notice any significant change in their data usage once we get hsupa unlocked on our phones. We will still have slow 3g speeds on our so called 4g phones. The only difference is you will be able to put your pictures up faster on Facebook. I think alot of people are confused as to what the update will unlock for us. I'm not here to bash because I love my atrix. Its one of the best pieces of hardware I have owned. I just wish we could get some vanilla android on it. So when they roll out the update and your wondering where your 4g speeds are at least youll have a heads up. Until att rolls out their back haul project we will still have slower than iPhone 3gs hspa speeds.
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True. But, for tethering, the HSUPA will make a difference. Thats all im looking forward to. I know that the DL speeds wont change...

The Atrix is hitting the market across the pond. suppose Moto doesn't want to have the "crippled phone" reputation still hanging out there. I would think that is why the update is coming from moto instead of att. At&t probably prefers that it not be done yet, they ain't ready. It will be more obvious when it's released on a network that doesn't have piss poor speeds like those in chubby's post. I use speedtest also, and seldom achieve the download speed he posts. Luvin AT&T. The Atrix is a wonderful device. I can't find much of anything good to say about our serviceless provider...

meh not like people here actually bought for the "4G speeds"(we know its BS) pretty sure we all looked at the dual core 1 gig ram and qHD display

At the AT&T store where I work my iPhone 4 used to pull upwards of 6mbps down, my Atrix MIGHT hit 2mbps. MAYBE.
I've always wondered why that is....

It's backplane that matters
Download/upload speed really depends on backplane speed, not just on phone. You can have super faster upload/download speed on your phone. But if the backplane is congested, you won't see that "4G" speed.
We are still in early stage of 4G rollout. So do not expect too much. The backplane has not been totally upgraded yet and there are congestions during peak hours.
I design network gear as a career and I see how much we are selling these stuff to cellphone carriers. They are expensive! Typical mid range edge routers are close to 1M a pop. Another word, do not expect AT&T becomes 4G overnight. They have to slowly upgrade these gears, and most of the time, they won't upgrade until the old gear becomes obsolete.

No way jose... its really quick! I'm getting around 1000 upload and around 3500 down! I'm sure you americans will be even faster when you get uncapped!
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ChongoDroid said:
No way jose... its really quick! I'm getting around 1000 upload and around 3500 down! I'm sure you americans will be even faster when you get uncapped!
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I'm guessing that you are using Telstra?...

ccrows said:
I'm guessing that you are using Telstra?...
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Yezzir
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Hide Your Tethering Usage from your Carrier w/ PDANET 3.0

Hey guys just wanted to make anyone aware who hadn't heard that the latest version of PDANET now comes with a setting to hide tethering usage from your carrier

Do you have a link for us lazy folks. I don't see it in the market
Sent from the bowels of hell...

The trick doesn't work.
People are still getting emails from AT&T.
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rjohnstone said:
The trick doesn't work.
People are still getting emails from AT&T.
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please cite your source material, don't just spread rumors if that is all they are, who that was using pdanet 3.0 has received an email? my bull **** detector is flying off the handle, especially considering 3.0 which provided the hide tethering feature JUST came out
http://www.junefabrics.com/android/index.php for you lazy folk, its not on market, you install on pc first then it installs on your phone

You could easily get this from the Market. Put your phone on airplane mode, then connect to the Internet using wifi. Search for pdanet in the Market and it will show up.

banes said:
Hey guys just wanted to make anyone aware who hadn't heard that the latest version of PDANET now comes with a setting to hide tethering usage from your carrier
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The only problem is that it can only be use for one device at a time and it only works on Desktops and Laptops. Which means, no iPad, iPod, Xbox, PS3, etc. Barnacle is better

banes said:
please cite your source material, don't just spread rumors if that is all they are, who that was using pdanet 3.0 has received an email? my bull **** detector is flying off the handle, especially considering 3.0 which provided the hide tethering feature JUST came out
http://www.junefabrics.com/android/index.php for you lazy folk, its not on market, you install on pc first then it installs on your phone
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Are you dumb? They can just see that you are using A LOT of data, they can't actually see you tethering......

Chubby_Skunk said:
Are you dumb? They can just see that you are using A LOT of data, they can't actually see you tethering......
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no im actually pretty smart, are you dumb?
i never suggested that you use PDANET to download 50gb a month with your torrents, however there have been people served with tethering warning emails who have not even exceeded 2gb so please refrain from making bold assumptions, you could get caught using barnacle with a low usage just the same as pdanet except for that barnacle does not have hide tether usage as a feature
and yes i agree there is a downside that you can only use it on one device at a time and only certain devices, but everyones needs are different, if you are only using your pc or laptop and want take extra precautions to not lose your unlimited plan then use pdanet over barnacle, i personally only need my laptop connected, and realistically you could create an adhoc network with your PC that you tether with if you would like multiple devices connected at the same time
please if you are not here to contribute, just go away i dont want this thread clogged up with a ton of misinformation from a bunch of misinformed people with poor reading comprehension, i was just making a suggestion here, if you dont like it stfu and gtfo

banes said:
no im actually pretty smart, are you dumb?
i never suggested that you use PDANET to download 50gb a month with your torrents, however there have been people served with tethering warning emails who have not even exceeded 2gb so please refrain from making bold assumptions, you are far more likely to get caught using barnacle with a low usage, also keep in mind barnacle does not have hide tether usage as a feature please if you are not here to contribute, just go away i dont want this thread clogged up with a ton of misinformation from a bunch of misinformed people with poor reading comprehension
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Yeah thats why I've gone over 10gb for the past 5 months and have never gotten an Email. But if you know how its working then you would know that they cant actually see that you are tethering. Its just from data usages from how people have been reporting it. Plus PDANet is a pain to use. I have to have the App on all of the devices I want to connect to? It has to be USB? and only one device???? thats too much to give away when I could be using my custom APN or Barnacle tether.....
btw. its not misinformation, its the truth

Chubby_Skunk said:
Yeah thats why I've gone over 10gb for the past 5 months and have never gotten an Email. But if you know how its working then you would know that they cant actually see that you are tethering. Its just from data usages from how people have been reporting it. Plus PDANet is a pain to use. I have to have the App on all of the devices I want to connect to? It has to be USB? and only one device???? thats too much to give away when I could be using my custom APN or Barnacle tether.....
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as i said before, there have been people with low usage who have received emails, don't assume that high usage is the method they are using to crack down
are you implying that someone who watches tons of HD quality vids and creates high GB per month usage is going to receive a tethering notice? we all don't really know how its working, so please refrain from talking out your butthole when no one really knows the facts
if its truth as opposed to misinformation, then please cite sources, otherwise youre just talking out your butthole once again, til you can show your evidence, you might as well have made up everything you said
and if you don't like pdanet, theres a simple solution, dont use it, and leave this thread, theres plenty of people who might find this useful and appreciate the extra precaution taken with pdanets new feature

banes said:
as i said before, there have been people with low usage who have received emails, don't assume that high usage is the method they are using to crack down
are you implying that someone who watches tons of HD quality vids and creates high GB per month usage is going to receive a tethering notice? we all don't really know how its working, so please refrain from talking out your butthole when no one really knows the facts
if its truth as opposed to misinformation, then please cite sources, otherwise youre just talking out your butthole once again, til you can show your evidence, you might as well have made up everything you said
and if you don't like pdanet, theres a simple solution, dont use it, and leave this thread, theres plenty of people who might find this useful and appreciate the extra precaution taken with pdanets new feature
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Im talking out of my buthole? Explain how I do that please
Here; my friend never tethers and he got an email from AT&T being acused of tethering. Look at his data usage.

just so we don't all drop our guards thinking we won't get caught if we just keep our usage low
http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/g62wv/i_woke_up_this_morning_to_this_lovely_email_from/

Chubby_Skunk said:
Im talking out of my buthole? Explain how I do that please
Here; my friend never tethers and he got an email from AT&T being acused of tethering. Look at his data usage.
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ive never used an iphone, so i have to ask, if you are using a jailbroken phone with an app that is not the standard iphone att tethering app, why would it register under the iphones att statistics? i would be much more satisfied with an article or some other more credible source than a pic of a random iphone statistic with your anecdotal experience attached to it (unreliable narrator problem)

banes said:
ive never used an iphone, so i have to ask, if you are using a jailbroken phone with an app that is not the standard iphone att tethering app, why would it register under the iphones att statistics? i would be much more satisfied with an article or some other more credible source than a pic of a random iphone statistic with your anecdotal experience attached to it (unreliable narrator problem)
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Because tethering Apps are shortcuts for APNs really. So the tethering counter counts data going through a tethering APN. Therefore any tethering app that is a APN shortcut (MyWi) would be counted because it goes through the tethering APN.....
So are you going to explain how to talk through my butthole, or are you going to ignore that and look stupid for saying it?

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Because tethering Apps are shortcuts for APNs really. So the tethering counter counts data going through a tethering APN. Therefore any tethering app that is a APN shortcut (MyWi) would be counted because it goes through the tethering APN.....
So are you going to explain how to talk through my butthole, or are you going to ignore that and look stupid for saying it?
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Like I said before all u gave me was a pic with a likely story to go with it, please cite a credible source, I have no evidence that the story behind the pic is true, I mean why do u even have a pic of ur friends usage, its awfully convenient and I like to get my facts straight before I buy into something and forums I've learned are breeding grounds for huge amounts of misinformation, honestly u just seem to be trolling here so pardon me if I don't just buy ur anonymous pic with unverified story
And yes talking with ur butthole I didn't think this need an explanation but... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=talking out of your ass

banes said:
Like I said before all u gave me was a pic with a likely story to go with it, please cite a credible source, I have no evidence that the story behind the pic is true, I mean why do u even have a pic of his usage its awfully convenient and I like to get my facts straight before I buy into something and forums I've learned ae breeding grounds for huge amounts of misinformation
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Alright, then cite your sources saying that people on Android phones are being caught for unoffical tethering and that AT&T can actually see it on Android phones....
btw that picture was for another forum. I got it from my friend when this whole thing started...

Chubby_Skunk said:
Alright, then cite your sources saying that people on Android phones are being caught for unoffical tethering and that AT&T can actually see it on Android phones....
btw that picture was for another forum. I got it from my friend when this whole thing started...
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I don't know how they do it that's the point, no one does, att has not disclosed how they do it in order to avoid to having people figure ways around it, so since we are all just guessing at it, I suggest we err on the side of caution hence why I created this thread to inform people,not to attract trolls like moths to a flame, and for the record I try to maintain my usage around 2gb to be safe because u could be right although I believe I read somewhere that someone with low usage was sent a warning as well so that is where my doubt comes from, truthfully I haven't even looked into how pdanet is hiding tethering usage exactly or if it actually works, but like I said I believe in erring on the side of caution

I tethered my Atrix to my iPhone 4 when I was working on it at school, probably no more than 20MB. Got a letter in the mail, a call, and the text. I, on average, use around 6GB/month (non tethering). They're just mad that my $2500/year isn't good enough for them. Sorry, let me give you 20 of my unborn children.

banes said:
I don't know how they do it that's the point, no one does, att has not disclosed how they do it in order to avoid to having people figure ways around it, so since we are all just guessing at it, I suggest we err on the side of caution hence why I created this thread to inform people,not to attract trolls like moths to a flame, and for the record I try to maintain my usage around 2gb to be safe because u could be right although I believe I read somewhere that someone with low usage was sent a warning as well so that is where my doubt comes from, truthfully I haven't even looked into how pdanet is hiding tethering usage exactly or if it actually works, but like I said I believe in erring on the side of caution
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Ill leave it at this:
My guess...
AT&T is working there way down the list of people with high data usage or whatever they look for and they are emailing them.
If that is true, my time is coming up.
I'll remember to PM you when/if I get an email from AT&T regarding unauthorized tethering usage.
"At one point in everyone's life (that posts something online), everyone will have been a troll at least once."

nosit1 said:
I tethered my Atrix to my iPhone 4 when I was working on it at school, probably no more than 20MB. Got a letter in the mail, a call, and the text. I, on average, use around 6GB/month (non tethering). They're just mad that my $2500/year isn't good enough for them. Sorry, let me give you 20 of my unborn children.
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What method did u tether with?

Android hacker Koush makes mobile internet tethering undetectable by carriers

When the idea that your smartphone’s data connection would be able to be shared by your laptop with no additional charge, everyone seemed to be on board – over the past year, carriers have started up extra costs for this and have struck down all attempts by apps to sidestep the process – until now. What one of the most well-known hacker/developers in the world Koushik Dutta, aka Koush, has done is to create a non-market app that allows you to use your smartphone as an internet hotspot, doing so without adding costs to you beyond what that data would cost to you on your smartphone on its own. And it’s completely (nearly) undetectable by carriers.
http://www.slashgear.com/android-hacker-koush-makes-mobile-internet-tethering-undetectable-by-carriers-02205425/
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Wish I had more than 500mb mobile data ha
Thanks AtriXDA Developers!!!

BlueangelAnd it’s completely (nearly) undetectable by carriers.
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Completely?...............Nearly?...............Can't be both!
(I know you quoted the article there, so not pointing out anything you have said)
From Koush's post:
"[1] It functions as a proxy, and not as a NAT/masquerade solution that other tether solutions use. Though carriers can still check for http user agent string, but I have an idea to work around that. They typically check the TTL for desktop values. All usual carrier data charges and quotas will apply, but you will not need a separate tethering plan."
Also, it's USB and not wireless which most people want. Seems more of the same to me. There are a large number of apps on the market doing the same thing already. Not a huge leap forward, but more a very small step in my opinion.

^ You pretty much stole all my thunder that I was about to write.
Until I know "exactly" what causes carriers to raise tethering flags, I would proceed very cautiously with this...
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Are you guys stupid. This has been done but no one has released a free easy to use undetectable tethering. All you guys want to do is complain. Just once come in here and say good job! Or well done!. All you XDA users do is complain when people are trying to help others. I love how this place works. $hit on the hand that feeds you.

JayRolla said:
Are you guys stupid. This has been done but no one has released a free easy to use undetectable tethering. All you guys want to do is complain. Just once come in here and say good job! Or well done!. All you XDA users do is complain when people are trying to help others. I love how this place works. $hit on the hand that feeds you.
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Seems you are the one complaining here!
Oh, and I personally have thanked many, many people in XDA for their contributions, and sent beer money too. Thankfully, you have not been one of those people!

I was reading about this app yesterday.. Just the fact that its wired makes it undesirable to me.
The one most important thing about this app has been overlooked in this thread!! ROOT IS NOT REQUIRED!
So If you dont have root then check out this app! If you do have root, then WiFi Tether is obviously a better choice because it does not require a cable. Also I have been using WiFi Tether for over a year and never been "detected" by Att, so it must also be a "undetectable" app right?.