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Cnet just put up a review of the Motorola Atrix, one of the most anticipated smart-phones. AT&T has blocked the ability to download 3rd party apps . "You can't install third-party apps" and goes on to say "No change of heart on third-party applications, as that feature is disabled on the Atrix."
Google's(andy rubin) response is to say let me market decide. I truly agree with this statement but when the carriers are in power (two year contracts) it doesn't let the market work. General consumers dont know know the difference between android phones. Consumer assume since they are getting an android phone, all android phones are the same. This blocking of 3rd party apps creates a bad user experience and users will blame android and not the carriers.
( http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/motorola-atrix-4g-at/4505-6452_7-34468396.html?tag=rvwBody )
Moved to Atrix General
babluc said:
when the carriers are in power (two year contracts) it doesn't let the market work.
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ITA.
Looking on the slighter brighter side, CNET also said this (emphasis added):
Of course, you've also got your obligatory AT&T services--AT&T Navigator, AT&T FamilyMap, and AT&T U-Verse Live TV--on there, but for once, you can actually uninstall any of these apps if you wish.
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It's not enough, but it's a start.
Side loading apps is such a trivial issue on any device, including devices on AT&T. Root not even required. So for the tiny percentage that want to do this (like rooters) the option is there.
No Third party software? No "FREE" bootloader? No reasonable laptop dock price? It really destroyed the purpose of open-sourced software.....I guess AT&T kills the fun of having an Android phone.....I went from "must have one" to "might have one"...sigh.....
My last 3 phones were not purchased from AT&T because of similar issues. AT&T modifies the phone to disable installation of anything not coming from their store.
I've been considering switching to a different provider because I find it very expensive to buy unlocked phones just to get them in their enabled state. I know I would lose the flexibility of using the phone around the world, but I don't travel that much.
Is Verizon doing this same thing on their phones? If not I may consider switching to them. How about Sprint?
sp_1st_timer said:
My last 3 phones were not purchased from AT&T because of similar issues. AT&T modifies the phone to disable installation of anything not coming from their store.
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AT&T restricts third-party apps, which means you can download only from the Android Market - which is not AT&T's store, btw.
Is Verizon doing this same thing on their phones? If not I may consider switching to them. How about Sprint?
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As far as I know, AT&T is the only one of the 4 major carriers that blocks 3rd-party apps. As previously mentioned, getting around that restriction is extremely simple and does not require rooting the phone. The Sideload Wonder Machine, for one, is very easy to use.
has no one in here heard of the side-load wondermachine come on seriously when theres a will theres a way thats my way around att crap O rama
shadowscreation said:
has no one in here heard of the side-load wondermachine come on seriously when theres a will theres a way thats my way around att crap O rama
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The point is we shouldn't have to find ways around it, and buying these devices only says that it's OK to at&t.
eallan said:
The point is we shouldn't have to find ways around it, and buying these devices only says that it's OK to at&t.
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i know what your saying.but considering this is one of atts top o the line phones minus the bs tethering plan for laptop dock(totally ruined that for me by the way). im just hoping that the bootloader isnt crapped up im gonna wait a little bit on buying this till i know theres a way to custom rom the crap out of this phone so ya thats what im waiting on before i decide i want this phone or not if not owell there will be better ones later on this year im sure so guess we will see how this all works out
note to everyone i like grammatical errors and run-on sentences thats what makes life fun
babluc said:
AT&T has blocked the ability to download 3rd party apps
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Relax... thats what xda is for.
peachpuff said:
Relax... thats what xda is for.
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No kidding. Do you really need to get your panties in a wad about sideloading? That's like complaining that it doesn't come rooted from the factory.
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Relax... thats what xda is for.
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Yes i get that but im talking about common users. Common users will not use XDA or root there phone. Im also not talking just about just this phone. When carriers do stuff like this, it effects how people view android and its ease of use.
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Yes i get that but im talking about common users. Common users will not use XDA or root there phone. Im also not talking just about just this phone. When carriers do stuff like this, it effects how people view android and its ease of use.
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Common users aren't going to be side loading to begin with. If its not in the market they aren't going to care. If they care they can google it and find XDA or the plethora of other sites that detail the simple few step process.
i agree it shouldn't be an issue, it is and its an easy fix so I don't worry about it. Efuse is a bigger issue to development that this. If it does have efuse I won't buy it out of principal and I'll get an inspire.
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Common users aren't going to be side loading to begin with. If its not in the market they aren't going to care. If they care they can google it and find XDA or the plethora of other sites that detail the simple few step process.
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Agreed. Anyone who wants to sideload can figure it out. Its probably the easiest hack you could possibly do on your Android phone.
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I know I found out about the side-load wonder machine long before I found XDA. But it just wasn't enough for my Captivate lol. Always wanted more.
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I know I found out about the side-load wonder machine long before I found XDA. But it just wasn't enough for my Captivate lol. Always wanted more.
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And the Cappy always needs more! Here's to hoping the Atrix doesn't.
At least in the performance realm, it doesn't seem too need much help from hacks. Although I'm looking forward to seeing what can be accomplished...
This phone is a powerful machine to begin with. I will be happy once I can root just to delete any bloatware that I can't delete out the box. Sideloading will be nice too..
I just don't like the Motorola interface, launcher pro will be my first install..
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I have decided pass on the Atrix due to pricing tech concerns. I am looking forward to the samsung i9100.
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Verizon just anounced they are working on finding root users and limiting or FULLY SUSPENDING DATA if the user is one of the following:
1. Rooted
2. Leaked Firmware
3. Using a custom rom that is modifing the system (All roms do!)
4. Overclocking (How would they know that?)
UPDATE: Verizon is developing the program and will take place in May-June.
What is your source on this information?
Sent from my HTC Evo
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Verizon just anounced they are working on finding root users and limiting or FULLY SUSPENDING DATA if the user is one of the following:
1. Rooted
2. Leaked Firmware
3. Using a custom rom that is modifing the system (All roms do!)
4. Overclocking (How would they know that?)
UPDATE: Verizon is developing the program and will take place in May-June.
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sue for breach of contract. they want to suspend it because people are tethering "Illegally" well according to my contract i have UNLIMITED data. does not say i have a LIMIT or how fast i can go thru it. if they do this they will need to start charging when friends use ur phone for checking facebook, twitter whatever uses data because then verizon hasnt authorized ur friends to use it. this **** is getting old. im starting to agree with sprints dan hesse when he says he looked up unlimited in the dictionary and found it says nothing about throttling or a limit.
Yeah Verizon is gonna have a thousands of pissed off people calling them. If you guys want P3Droid's link on what he heard here it is:
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html#post65013
I have unlimited data too. And if they think they can just take away our data plan...I dont know what to say...
I wouldn't install any updates if I were you guys lol. I would think our awesome devs will have some type of solution for this. Maybe one last " epic " ROM to use before the update that blocks VZW from looking into your phone.
I can't imagine that VZW would create some type of " big brother " software that automatically traces your DX to see if you are modded or not without an update.
My company issued Droid x's to employees and just announced that Verizon and or I.T. department will find rooted droids. Wonder how they do it? Needless to say I unrooted my x and it sucks now
Maybe that will come in the official 2.3.3 :'( Let's do as much hacking as possible before its over.
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Maybe that will come in the official 2.3.3 :'( Let's do as much hacking as possible before its over.
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P3droid also announced on his twitter that if you flashed the leaked gingerbread rom that you have already been tracked =(
tyvallely said:
Verizon just anounced they are working on finding root users and limiting or FULLY SUSPENDING DATA if the user is one of the following:
1. Rooted
2. Leaked Firmware
3. Using a custom rom that is modifing the system (All roms do!)
4. Overclocking (How would they know that?)
UPDATE: Verizon is developing the program and will take place in May-June.
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Can they do that? I did all of thee above. However I didn't steal wifi tether like most of you a holes. I rooted so I could remove crap like NFS and kindle and play angry birds without ads (I would've paid if they'd let me). Whatever, I'd just leave VZW. F**k their ETF, I got other bills I'm not paying.
Seriously, one way or another everyone's dx was purchased (not leased) at some time which makes it your property, not Verizon's. Is there really any harm in customizing your phone? Or having access to the system files of the phone?
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I call shenanegains.
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P3droid also announced on his twitter that if you flashed the leaked gingerbread rom that you have already been tracked =(
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As of now I dont give a f if they think they can suspend my account because I'll stay on the phone all day complaining about how the phone sucked anyway and how many problems it had.
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Can they do that? I did all of thee above. However I didn't steal wifi tether like most of you a holes. I rooted so I could remove crap like NFS and kindle and play angry birds without ads (I would've paid if they'd let me). Whatever, I'd just leave VZW. F**k their ETF, I got other bills I'm not paying.
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Yeah they can and that's why everyone is unfolding as we speak. Also I removed all the apps and **** that came on the phone and slowed it down. But I do have to confess if I knew ahead of time that they were gonna do this I would never used wifi tether.
Oh and by the way if wifi tether is such a problem than why is it on the market? And legally wifi tether is totally different from the 3G hotspot because if you compare the two wifi tether has more options and was available first. Also the developers can decide the fees of wifi tether but another company can't just rise there fee prices.
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Seriously, one way or another everyone's dx was purchased (not leased) at some time which makes it your property, not Verizon's. Is there really any harm in customizing your phone? Or having access to the system files of the phone?
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No not at all there is nothing wrong with having access to system files and making your phone suitable for the way you use it. Good point.
Does no body have a sack or what these are our phones if we mod them it's are business wifi tether is different but modding ur own hardware is ur right not a privilege.
There are other carriers mainly sprint and the soon nexus s so let them piss me off I got 3 smart phones with unlimited data and will leave in a heart beat.
Great. First I hear motorola us locking boot loaders, and now verizon is banning data if they catch you rooted. What's next?
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Oh and by the way if wifi tether is such a problem than why is it on the market? And legally wifi tether is totally different from the 3G hotspot because if you compare the two wifi tether has more options and was available first. Also the developers can decide the fees of wifi tether but another company can't just rise there fee prices.
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Actually from a software standpoint 3g hotspot and tethering are VERY different. Tethering programs such as Wireless Tether for root users are using an Ad-hoc network that can only connect to one device at a time. Also Ad-hoc uses much more power and essentially all it is is usb tethering without the chord which is built into vanilla android and wireless providers have no authority to limit us from doing this. 3g mobile hotspot on the other hand is a service that Verizon provides that essentially makes your phone into a true wireless router. You are capable of attaching to numerous devices (up to 5?) and this is not an Ad-hoc network but a true wirless (wifi) network that, I believe, works just like your ethernet router at home.
What Verizon is doing here is trying to block the competition by baking this security feature into their phones, forcing you to use their 3g hotspot - this is why the free hotspot hack still works, they werent trying to target those using the TBH patch to "borrow" this service, they are targeting application's developed to circumvent the 3g mobile hotspot app all together. Its really a joke if you ask me and completely goes against what android stands for.
Verizon could give a crap about android though, thats why they attempt to put things like the VZ app store in to place so they can monitor the programs they offer (finally they have the iphone, its like a match made in heaven!) I dont know at what point exactly verizon started becoming Nazis, but thats what it has become. If they could, they would circumvent any openess that is offered from their phones through google and they are clearly making as many steps as possible toward this goal.
[email protected] off verizon, Ill switch over to a pre-paid plan and unlock a cool android phone for it next time, the best network can go F it self.
Hold up...
Wait just a moment. Wasn't there something not that long ago. That a judge ruled that a "Jailbreak" wasn't illegal? That once you've purchased a device legally, you are therefore able to do what you wish, as long as you stay within the confines of the law? How does rooting break the law? You're not stealing intellectual property. You're not harming anyone. Last I heard, Google is still claiming Android is OPEN SOURCE (that is until Honeycomb..A-holes) right? Most of us are forced into 2 yr contacts at $30 plus a month for unlimited data. So, let me ask. Is it illegal to buy a new car, buy some nice RIM's, drop a few 12's in the trunk, tint the windows, and add some nitrous under the hood to "Go Fast, Go Fast"!? I think not!
Now to those who've abused these cool hacks, then it's to your shame that we are now facing these possibilities. Just because you can break the rules, doesn't mean everyone should.
But then again, who am I? Just another rooted fool that believes in Democracy, Liberty 2.0 and justice for all!
sooooooo all this talk of vz limiting & suspending accounts due to data usages & this new "rooted phones hunter" from vz & moto talk...
has anyones account been limited? or are there any official news articles or actual announcements from vz or moto on the web?
just curious
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As to my knowledge, the only tethering app they can track is the 3G Mobile Hotspot app preinstalled into your phone. There is a hack that allows people to tether using that app for free.
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I've seen throttling but that's all. Nothing else yet.
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havent seen or heard anything
have no doubt eventually the possibility exists....doubt the sky is falling though....
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news with a reputable source sure would be appreciated....
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As to my knowledge, the only tethering app they can track is the 3G Mobile Hotspot app preinstalled into your phone. There is a hack that allows people to tether using that app for free.
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I"m pretty sure that any type of tethering will get you in trouble from what a lot of P3droid's writing states... Esp. since google can remote wipe/remove apps from your phone...I would assume carriers have some insight as well to what a customer is using.
Google's insight is from what you've downloaded from the market I believe. I still can't believe how blown out of proportion this rumor has become.
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sooooooo all this talk of vz limiting & suspending accounts due to data usages & this new "rooted phones hunter" from vz & moto talk...
has anyones account been limited? or are there any official news articles or actual announcements from vz or moto on the web?
just curious
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There is already one thread about this topic don't need two
sorry didn't see the other thread... but how can they track an unrooted easytether app vs. the rooted wireless tether app? I don't doubt eventually one day this will all be true but I still think they have better things to do than to hunt rooted phone users down...
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You guys apps have nothing to do with it, you can download tethering apps, they just don't work, therefore they cannot bust you on this.
What they will bust you on is the IPs you are accessing, easy ones will be like Windows Updates servers, firewall/anti virus update servers, Steam will be another big one...
There is IPs that you will be accessing on your PC that some of you guys can't deny will be definitive proof you are tethering, and I guarantee as hard as you try they will always have a way of figuring it out and there is nothing you can do, its a service you are required to pay for and they are going to make you pay for it.
see that's coming at it from a different angle & I totally get that... but I paid for easy tether & I'm not rooted I use it on my personal com... & it works perfect I just think that if there was a true issue w/tethering why not remove easytether or pdanet from the marketplace? just my 2¢
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and I know someones going to say something along lines the lines of its a google vs. vz issue... well then if vz starts blocking apps I think there would be an issue w/google...
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see that's coming at it from a different angle & I totally get that... but I paid for easy tether & I'm not rooted I use it on my personal com... & it works perfect I just think that if there was a true issue w/tethering why not remove easytether or pdanet from the marketplace? just my 2¢
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They cannot do this because no matter what Verizon, or any other carrier for that matter, wants us to pay for or does not want on the market, it is not their market. The market is controlled by Google and they will only remove apps that go against their policies.
Anyway we should all be aware that the android market is not the only source of apps for android. There is the Amazon market which certainly has different rules that Google's market, and there is Applanet which simply does not have rules or at least none that would keep tethering apps out (or a large quantity of others either). Also, the developers could simply post the apps on their website if removed. Therefore it would not be at all effective to remove them from the market
for once I agree w/jmoney... and we have yet to see evidence of any account suspensions our cancellations due to tethering... still waiting on some proof & tired of all the "talk" of this rooted hunting sprees...
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What I have heard is that Verizon is not going after rooted users and to my knowledge are still taking the same stand against rooters as they have in the past. What they are going after are the people who use tethering without a tethering plan. They are only doing this because there are certain members of this community who use tethering for obscene amounts of data. These are the people who use 150gb or more a month and yes there are people who do that.
We need to remember that just because we can tether large amounts of data does not mean that we should. I saw the following analogy on an article online and I think it is an excellent way to think of this.
If you are in a supermarket and you notice that they are giving out free samples of something, there are two things you can do. You can just take one and everyone else can have one and there is no problem at all and they will continue to allow the free samples. Or, you could, since it is all free, take all of the samples for yourself and no one else will get any, and the store will stop providing them and everyone loses because you were greedy.
If we all just use a small amount a month, I'm very sure that there will be no problem with the carrier and we all can enjoy the exeperience
Hey guys just wanted to make anyone aware who hadn't heard that the latest version of PDANET now comes with a setting to hide tethering usage from your carrier
Do you have a link for us lazy folks. I don't see it in the market
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The trick doesn't work.
People are still getting emails from AT&T.
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rjohnstone said:
The trick doesn't work.
People are still getting emails from AT&T.
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please cite your source material, don't just spread rumors if that is all they are, who that was using pdanet 3.0 has received an email? my bull **** detector is flying off the handle, especially considering 3.0 which provided the hide tethering feature JUST came out
http://www.junefabrics.com/android/index.php for you lazy folk, its not on market, you install on pc first then it installs on your phone
You could easily get this from the Market. Put your phone on airplane mode, then connect to the Internet using wifi. Search for pdanet in the Market and it will show up.
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Hey guys just wanted to make anyone aware who hadn't heard that the latest version of PDANET now comes with a setting to hide tethering usage from your carrier
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The only problem is that it can only be use for one device at a time and it only works on Desktops and Laptops. Which means, no iPad, iPod, Xbox, PS3, etc. Barnacle is better
banes said:
please cite your source material, don't just spread rumors if that is all they are, who that was using pdanet 3.0 has received an email? my bull **** detector is flying off the handle, especially considering 3.0 which provided the hide tethering feature JUST came out
http://www.junefabrics.com/android/index.php for you lazy folk, its not on market, you install on pc first then it installs on your phone
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Are you dumb? They can just see that you are using A LOT of data, they can't actually see you tethering......
Chubby_Skunk said:
Are you dumb? They can just see that you are using A LOT of data, they can't actually see you tethering......
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no im actually pretty smart, are you dumb?
i never suggested that you use PDANET to download 50gb a month with your torrents, however there have been people served with tethering warning emails who have not even exceeded 2gb so please refrain from making bold assumptions, you could get caught using barnacle with a low usage just the same as pdanet except for that barnacle does not have hide tether usage as a feature
and yes i agree there is a downside that you can only use it on one device at a time and only certain devices, but everyones needs are different, if you are only using your pc or laptop and want take extra precautions to not lose your unlimited plan then use pdanet over barnacle, i personally only need my laptop connected, and realistically you could create an adhoc network with your PC that you tether with if you would like multiple devices connected at the same time
please if you are not here to contribute, just go away i dont want this thread clogged up with a ton of misinformation from a bunch of misinformed people with poor reading comprehension, i was just making a suggestion here, if you dont like it stfu and gtfo
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no im actually pretty smart, are you dumb?
i never suggested that you use PDANET to download 50gb a month with your torrents, however there have been people served with tethering warning emails who have not even exceeded 2gb so please refrain from making bold assumptions, you are far more likely to get caught using barnacle with a low usage, also keep in mind barnacle does not have hide tether usage as a feature please if you are not here to contribute, just go away i dont want this thread clogged up with a ton of misinformation from a bunch of misinformed people with poor reading comprehension
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Yeah thats why I've gone over 10gb for the past 5 months and have never gotten an Email. But if you know how its working then you would know that they cant actually see that you are tethering. Its just from data usages from how people have been reporting it. Plus PDANet is a pain to use. I have to have the App on all of the devices I want to connect to? It has to be USB? and only one device???? thats too much to give away when I could be using my custom APN or Barnacle tether.....
btw. its not misinformation, its the truth
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Yeah thats why I've gone over 10gb for the past 5 months and have never gotten an Email. But if you know how its working then you would know that they cant actually see that you are tethering. Its just from data usages from how people have been reporting it. Plus PDANet is a pain to use. I have to have the App on all of the devices I want to connect to? It has to be USB? and only one device???? thats too much to give away when I could be using my custom APN or Barnacle tether.....
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as i said before, there have been people with low usage who have received emails, don't assume that high usage is the method they are using to crack down
are you implying that someone who watches tons of HD quality vids and creates high GB per month usage is going to receive a tethering notice? we all don't really know how its working, so please refrain from talking out your butthole when no one really knows the facts
if its truth as opposed to misinformation, then please cite sources, otherwise youre just talking out your butthole once again, til you can show your evidence, you might as well have made up everything you said
and if you don't like pdanet, theres a simple solution, dont use it, and leave this thread, theres plenty of people who might find this useful and appreciate the extra precaution taken with pdanets new feature
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as i said before, there have been people with low usage who have received emails, don't assume that high usage is the method they are using to crack down
are you implying that someone who watches tons of HD quality vids and creates high GB per month usage is going to receive a tethering notice? we all don't really know how its working, so please refrain from talking out your butthole when no one really knows the facts
if its truth as opposed to misinformation, then please cite sources, otherwise youre just talking out your butthole once again, til you can show your evidence, you might as well have made up everything you said
and if you don't like pdanet, theres a simple solution, dont use it, and leave this thread, theres plenty of people who might find this useful and appreciate the extra precaution taken with pdanets new feature
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Im talking out of my buthole? Explain how I do that please
Here; my friend never tethers and he got an email from AT&T being acused of tethering. Look at his data usage.
just so we don't all drop our guards thinking we won't get caught if we just keep our usage low
http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/g62wv/i_woke_up_this_morning_to_this_lovely_email_from/
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Im talking out of my buthole? Explain how I do that please
Here; my friend never tethers and he got an email from AT&T being acused of tethering. Look at his data usage.
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ive never used an iphone, so i have to ask, if you are using a jailbroken phone with an app that is not the standard iphone att tethering app, why would it register under the iphones att statistics? i would be much more satisfied with an article or some other more credible source than a pic of a random iphone statistic with your anecdotal experience attached to it (unreliable narrator problem)
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ive never used an iphone, so i have to ask, if you are using a jailbroken phone with an app that is not the standard iphone att tethering app, why would it register under the iphones att statistics? i would be much more satisfied with an article or some other more credible source than a pic of a random iphone statistic with your anecdotal experience attached to it (unreliable narrator problem)
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Because tethering Apps are shortcuts for APNs really. So the tethering counter counts data going through a tethering APN. Therefore any tethering app that is a APN shortcut (MyWi) would be counted because it goes through the tethering APN.....
So are you going to explain how to talk through my butthole, or are you going to ignore that and look stupid for saying it?
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Because tethering Apps are shortcuts for APNs really. So the tethering counter counts data going through a tethering APN. Therefore any tethering app that is a APN shortcut (MyWi) would be counted because it goes through the tethering APN.....
So are you going to explain how to talk through my butthole, or are you going to ignore that and look stupid for saying it?
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Like I said before all u gave me was a pic with a likely story to go with it, please cite a credible source, I have no evidence that the story behind the pic is true, I mean why do u even have a pic of ur friends usage, its awfully convenient and I like to get my facts straight before I buy into something and forums I've learned are breeding grounds for huge amounts of misinformation, honestly u just seem to be trolling here so pardon me if I don't just buy ur anonymous pic with unverified story
And yes talking with ur butthole I didn't think this need an explanation but... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=talking out of your ass
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Like I said before all u gave me was a pic with a likely story to go with it, please cite a credible source, I have no evidence that the story behind the pic is true, I mean why do u even have a pic of his usage its awfully convenient and I like to get my facts straight before I buy into something and forums I've learned ae breeding grounds for huge amounts of misinformation
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Alright, then cite your sources saying that people on Android phones are being caught for unoffical tethering and that AT&T can actually see it on Android phones....
btw that picture was for another forum. I got it from my friend when this whole thing started...
Chubby_Skunk said:
Alright, then cite your sources saying that people on Android phones are being caught for unoffical tethering and that AT&T can actually see it on Android phones....
btw that picture was for another forum. I got it from my friend when this whole thing started...
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I don't know how they do it that's the point, no one does, att has not disclosed how they do it in order to avoid to having people figure ways around it, so since we are all just guessing at it, I suggest we err on the side of caution hence why I created this thread to inform people,not to attract trolls like moths to a flame, and for the record I try to maintain my usage around 2gb to be safe because u could be right although I believe I read somewhere that someone with low usage was sent a warning as well so that is where my doubt comes from, truthfully I haven't even looked into how pdanet is hiding tethering usage exactly or if it actually works, but like I said I believe in erring on the side of caution
I tethered my Atrix to my iPhone 4 when I was working on it at school, probably no more than 20MB. Got a letter in the mail, a call, and the text. I, on average, use around 6GB/month (non tethering). They're just mad that my $2500/year isn't good enough for them. Sorry, let me give you 20 of my unborn children.
banes said:
I don't know how they do it that's the point, no one does, att has not disclosed how they do it in order to avoid to having people figure ways around it, so since we are all just guessing at it, I suggest we err on the side of caution hence why I created this thread to inform people,not to attract trolls like moths to a flame, and for the record I try to maintain my usage around 2gb to be safe because u could be right although I believe I read somewhere that someone with low usage was sent a warning as well so that is where my doubt comes from, truthfully I haven't even looked into how pdanet is hiding tethering usage exactly or if it actually works, but like I said I believe in erring on the side of caution
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Ill leave it at this:
My guess...
AT&T is working there way down the list of people with high data usage or whatever they look for and they are emailing them.
If that is true, my time is coming up.
I'll remember to PM you when/if I get an email from AT&T regarding unauthorized tethering usage.
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nosit1 said:
I tethered my Atrix to my iPhone 4 when I was working on it at school, probably no more than 20MB. Got a letter in the mail, a call, and the text. I, on average, use around 6GB/month (non tethering). They're just mad that my $2500/year isn't good enough for them. Sorry, let me give you 20 of my unborn children.
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What method did u tether with?
Here is your proof:
http://www.sprintfeed.com/2011/10/s...arket/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...locking-tethering-apps-in-the-android-market/
There are a million ways to get around this of course: market hacks, downloading the apps from other sources, side-loading... they're included with most roms... blah blah blah.
Just bringing this to your attention in case you were trying to d/l it from the market and it's not showing up. Now you know why
Just checked the market and looks like you're right. No PdaNet. No Easy Tether. Can still get Easy Tether on Amazon's app store however.
This will only effect the NOOBS.
CapsLockKey said:
Just checked the market and looks like you're right. No PdaNet. No Easy Tether. Can still get Easy Tether on Amazon's app store however.
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This will only effect the Noobs. We can easy download the tether programs to our computers and then copy them on to our android phones.
I knew this. I just ingored it
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Why do they give us data hungry phone and then want to limit our usage?
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Technically we agreed not to use these, but still. Getting around it is so trivial, and yes, this might trip up a few noobs, but chances are if you're that nooby you wouldn't have a need for, or even realize that, tethering is an option.
Add that all up, and it seems like the only thing this move can get you is bad PR/karma.
You may as well be "cool","allow" it, and play the "other carriers try to tell you how you can use your phone and limit your access to certain apps" card, cause it's happening either way.
Sprint can and will cancel service with high data usage.
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I use my PC and go to http://market.android.com/ and login to google account.
Easier to find apps that way anyway. Plus it shows all that I've ever downloaded if I look at my library.
jamice4u said:
This will only effect the Noobs. We can easy download the tether programs to our computers and then copy them on to our android phones.
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That's what the OP says dude...
swear0730 said:
I use my PC and go to http://market.android.com/ and login to google account.
Easier to find apps that way anyway. Plus it shows all that I've ever downloaded if I look at my library.
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Easier to find apps, yes. Shows your previous download library, yes. Once you click on an item that is no longer offerred, it will tell you its no longer available for download. You basically stare at the husk of an app it once was. But it doesn't tell you that til after you click on it to view its details.
Meh i never used tether apps i use the official hotpot hack
davidrules7778 said:
Meh i never used tether apps i use the official hotpot hack
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I like that one better. Its not an adhoc connection like the tether apps, but an actual hotspot that your computer actively looks for and can become a preferred network. Its just kewler.
Doesn't log your data usage though, only downside really.
Xhyperion said:
Sprint can and will cancel service with high data usage.
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What's about "unlimited data?"
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rangerover_95 said:
What's about "unlimited data?"
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Really only applies on your phone, as in, the data your phone is using. Tethering is a whole new realm. Sprint can tell if you're tethering or using your phone, so if you have a large amount of data through tethering, they'll flag you for it.
I think they're putting limits on tethering plans now, somewhere around 5GB or so I thought.
ArchangelRenzoku said:
I like that one better. Its not an adhoc connection like the tether apps, but an actual hotspot that your computer actively looks for and can become a preferred network. Its just kewler.
Doesn't log your data usage though, only downside really.
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Plus it is stable and doesn't cause reboots and its built into settings so u also get usb tethering too
Also i like it cause it has many different security types and i found one that works with my ds
Only one LOL
hayzooos said:
Sprint can tell if you're tethering or using your phone
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They can make you pay for the use of *their* tether app, but I'd like to see evidence that they can tell if your using the likes of a rooted phone with Wireless Tether. I think of this situation the way I viewed using a wired/wireless switch off your home broadband ISP back in the day. For me, Charter only allowed one registered MAC address to the cable modem, and there was some FUD spreading around that you'd get "busted" for using a switch to provide service to multiple computers. Of course there was no way to tell unless they get really invasive. Similar deal here. Hopefully restrictions on phone tethering will seem just as crazy in a few years.
I'm using TWC isp over wifi right now & its not showing up? WTF how is it that its not showing up over wifi?
Edit. I see the one by open gradin. But not the one by Muller
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hayzooos said:
Really only applies on your phone, as in, the data your phone is using. Tethering is a whole new realm. Sprint can tell if you're tethering or using your phone, so if you have a large amount of data through tethering, they'll flag you for it.
I think they're putting limits on tethering plans now, somewhere around 5GB or so I thought.
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Actually they can't. The data logger only kicks in if you pay for the Hotspot app. They can't tell the difference if you are tethering or downloading tons of movies to your phone.
ArchangelRenzoku said:
That's what the OP says dude...
Easier to find apps, yes. Shows your previous download library, yes. Once you click on an item that is no longer offerred, it will tell you its no longer available for download. You basically stare at the husk of an app it once was. But it doesn't tell you that til after you click on it to view its details.
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Actually... I decided to use my Epic as a wireless hotspot about 3 days ago and was didn't find any wifi tether apps using my phone so I used my PC 'cause I knew I'd downloaded one before. (wifi tether). Went through my library, found it and pushed it to my phone.
(cool story bro)
hayzooos said:
Sprint can tell if you're tethering or using your phone
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You forgot "I think" in the beginning of that sentence - you can't "know" something that is false, so that would be the only edit that would make your sentence accurate. Oh, but you'd still be wrong, just to be clear
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"Unlimited data" only means that you aren't going to get billed for going over x amount.
It doesn't mean Sprint just has to lay back and take it from someone who's costing them money to have as a customer, tethering or not. They reserve the right to tell any of us to beat it.