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Touch Flo v.3.0 available on HD?

Simple question.
I've read about the new features of the 3rd version of Touch Flo (on the upcoming HTC Touch Pro 2 and Diamond 2) and they are quite interesting.
I just wondered whether by any chance this new version could be installed on the HTC HD (once it's out of course)
Thx

there are already tons of custom roms with this new tf3d

Oh! I wasn't aware of that... have an example so I can test it?

gauthierserkyn said:
Oh! I wasn't aware of that... have an example so I can test it?
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Duttys Roms, Laurentius Roms,...

gauthierserkyn said:
Oh! I wasn't aware of that... have an example so I can test it?
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Think the list is endless. Go to ROM's development forum and seach. I'm currently using Duttys 2.5 Xtreme, though Laurentius & Davideuck are just as commonly used

crashDebug said:
there are already tons of custom roms with this new tf3d
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hi...is there any way of getting new touch flo 3 without need of flashing ur phone? any chance of someone making an instalation .cab?

marasp said:
hi...is there any way of getting new touch flo 3 without need of flashing ur phone? any chance of someone making an instalation .cab?
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Go to the "Themes, Applications and Software" and you will found you cab's

excuse me for being a nub but what are the benefits of flashing vs cab install

nowhere to be seen
Elim said:
Go to the "Themes, Applications and Software" and you will found you cab's
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well... i always do my home work before posting, that is why i did ask question...i could not find any cab, and believe me i spent hours looking throughout our gigantic forum...
if u know location where such cab is hiding from my eyes please share it with us.

There is no "cab" install and there never will be.
This isn't just an application you install on your phone - it's a complete system overhaul, with new TF3D, with all new and / or updated system applications: phone, calendar, contacts, call history, calculator, browser etc.
Let me illustrate however the difference between the stock ROM and the custom cooked ROM's available here on XDA. It's like going from Skoda to latest Ferrari.
That means you'll get a lot of great looking stuff, many cool applications already included, everything will be as new as possible, you'll be running at MUCH faster speed, but you also have to accept that you'll "burn more gas" - battery life may take a small impact.
Is it worth it? Well, it's like you bought a new device, so - yes.

bigv1 said:
excuse me for being a nub but what are the benefits of flashing vs cab install
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If you flash a ROM that already includes the new manila it will probably be alot smoother because the ROM will be optimized and tweaked for it! If you install it over the old Manila it probably won't give you the best experience... Also, the newer ROMs not only include the new Manila, but also things like finger-friendly menus!

really is that true???
Rozenthal said:
There is no "cab" install and there never will be.
This isn't just an application you install on your phone - it's a complete system overhaul, with new TF3D, with all new and / or updated system applications: phone, calendar, contacts, call history, calculator, browser etc.
Let me illustrate however the difference between the stock ROM and the custom cooked ROM's available here on XDA. It's like going from Skoda to latest Ferrari.
That means you'll get a lot of great looking stuff, many cool applications already included, everything will be as new as possible, you'll be running at MUCH faster speed, but you also have to accept that you'll "burn more gas" - battery life may take a small impact.
Is it worth it? Well, it's like you bought a new device, so - yes.
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is that really..... so could u explain to us what that is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493531 ..... i think it is possible.... manila is at the end, today screen replacement like the ones of SPB and others.... of course its complicated and incorporated into windows folder but as u can see impossible is nothing here ....
regards

marasp said:
well... i always do my home work before posting, that is why i did ask question...i could not find any cab, and believe me i spent hours looking throughout our gigantic forum...
if u know location where such cab is hiding from my eyes please share it with us.
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I'm pretty new to all this as well and had a lot of difficulty figuring it out! What I think happens is this: The ROM is a bit like the BIOS so you can't modify it within WM6.1. Also, the original ROMs are protected so you can't replace them with an unofficial version (they are signed).
To get around this, you can use something like Hard SPL (which overwrites the existing ROM) or USPL (which works around it).
I finally went with USPL2.5 and Dutty's extreme ROM v2.6.
Incidentally, I'm not really noticing much of a speed improvement... Especially with the music player which now takes a second to load up... Am I meant to?

WM6.5 and TouchFlow

I have a T-mobile Compact 5 (aka Topaz) running wm6.1. I understand that in the near future 6.5 will be made available. With this, will there be a new touchflow interface? I have seen screenshits of 6.5 and I cant say I'm over excited about it. I hope very much that TF is not discontinued on 6.5. Anyone knows?
regards

Personally I suspect it'll look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igRAl0swRsI. I hope it does.

Each to his own ... can't say the new manila is doing much for me, as evidenced on latest custom roms. Just looks like clutter, especially on the home screen.

chris5s said:
Each to his own ... can't say the new manila is doing much for me, as evidenced on latest custom roms. Just looks like clutter, especially on the home screen.
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im with you there however theres a few improvements that i prefer over the original touchflo, such as the favorite contacts screen. I also like the landscape photo gallery however at the moment that still runs a little chunky for me

Thanks for your replies.
I look forward to it. The short cuts on the home screen will be a BIG help for the way I use my phone.
Cheers

15 Tabs and Manila 2.1 Sliders

Searching for those strings wont result in any finds, or results in only custom ROM crap. (sigh)
Ok, im trying to find some stuff for Manila 2.1 WITHOUT SENSE. it just doesnt seem to exist... or at least i cant find it.
I want to know what tabs are included with the 15 Tabs mod, and where to get them.
I would like the stock TP1 Neon slider icons, saw a guy on XDA that had them, but cant find the files.

You made me laugh Manilla 2.1 WITHOUT SENSE does NOT excist. Manilla = Sense...
Manilla 2.1 is called sense.
Manilla 2.5 is called sense.

Wow, really? Then your an idiot too! TP1's have Manila 2.0 and WinMo 6.1, TP2 has Manila 2.1 (no Sense) and WinMo 6.1 stock....
SOME versions of 6.1 come with Sense, but not Sprint, and i believe 2.5 Sense comes with WinMo 6.5...

Talon,
Try searching for Manila TF3D v. 2.1
(Which Lenny, is not the same thing as Sense 2.1)

Talon Pro said:
Wow, really? Then your an idiot too! TP1's have Manila 2.0 and WinMo 6.1, TP2 has Manila 2.1 (no Sense) and WinMo 6.1 stock....
SOME versions of 6.1 come with Sense, but not Sprint, and i believe 2.5 Sense comes with WinMo 6.5...
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dont be so rude dude, htc has renamed manila to sense. so its sense 2.1 and 2.5

Hold ur fire!! This make me a little confused too. So what's real difference between Manila & Sense??

Both posters are correct. TF3D originally was called manilla. HTC Sense is technically the upgraded version of TF3D. Most people simply refer to HTC's GUI as Sense instead of manilla or TF3D.
Since many of the roms here are from HTC hero,hd2 etc etc, they are using the newer Sense GUI.
Original roms, use the manilla GUI, which was been re-marketed also as Sense. So manilla/TF3D was renamed Sense 2.1. Sense 2.5 is the original Sense which was first on the HD2 and HTC Hero.
This will help some.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TouchFLO_3D

radon222 said:
Talon,
Try searching for Manila TF3D v. 2.1
(Which Lenny, is not the same thing as Sense 2.1)
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Using any numbers in the search (simple or advanced) gains only an error, which is why i posted. Try searching for '15 tabs' and itll go to the advanced search page with 'No results'...
kitchencop said:
dont be so rude dude, htc has renamed manila to sense. so its sense 2.1 and 2.5
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Well, you remain wrong on that
Mektah said:
Both posters are correct. TF3D originally was called manilla. HTC Sense is technically the upgraded version of TF3D. Most people simply refer to HTC's GUI as Sense instead of manilla or TF3D.
Since many of the roms here are from HTC hero,hd2 etc etc, they are using the newer Sense GUI.
Original roms, use the manilla GUI, which was been re-marketed also as Sense. So manilla/TF3D was renamed Sense 2.1. Sense 2.5 is the original Sense which was first on the HD2 and HTC Hero.
This will help some.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TouchFLO_3D
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I disagree a little, there IS a difference between Manila 2.1 and 2.1 w/Sense. Try putting a Sense item on regular 2.1 and watch it break. I tried PPCgeeks.com to sort out the TP2 stuff, got much support, but they didnt do anything about it. When you ask for customized stuff, everyone assumes youre using a cooked version of 6.5 (which has Sense 2.1 or 2.5 depending the ROM/Chef), not 6.1, and then the Manila version gets even more in the way of stuff.
I mean i like my TP2, it works like the TP1 should have, but the TP1 had so much more support for the stock ROM's and 6.1.

Talon Pro said:
Searching for those strings wont result in any finds, or results in only custom ROM crap. (sigh)
Ok, im trying to find some stuff for Manila 2.1 WITHOUT SENSE. it just doesnt seem to exist... or at least i cant find it.
I want to know what tabs are included with the 15 Tabs mod, and where to get them.
I would like the stock TP1 Neon slider icons, saw a guy on XDA that had them, but cant find the files.
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For the neon slider icons, try either or both of the cabs I attached here, they might be what you're thinking of. If not, they uninstall easily.
I've also had trouble finding a bunch of TF3D 2.1 compatible sliders etc, it's clear that the bulk of the interest and efforts here now are sense 2.5-related. I think you might have a little better luck googling (not through XDA) for "TF3D 2.1" than "sense 2.1"...I've found that most of the stuff you're looking for to be tagged that way.
brent372 has put together a website that does a great job of explaining and displaying the differences between TF3D 2.1 and Sense 2.1, and he has a fair amount of customizations for each, particularly sliders/icons...check it out HERE

sirphunkee said:
For the neon slider icons, try either or both of the cabs I attached here, they might be what you're thinking of. If not, they uninstall easily.
I've also had trouble finding a bunch of TF3D 2.1 compatible sliders etc, it's clear that the bulk of the interest and efforts here now are sense 2.5-related. I think you might have a little better luck googling (not through XDA) for "TF3D 2.1" than "sense 2.1"...I've found that most of the stuff you're looking for to be tagged that way.
brent372 has put together a website that does a great job of explaining and displaying the differences between TF3D 2.1 and Sense 2.1, and he has a fair amount of customizations for each, particularly sliders/icons...check it out HERE
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Yea ive seen Brents work, but its all 'skinned' stock icons, or the goofy looking 6.5 icons. Still nice stuff though.
Thanks for your help

Talon Pro, please be kind, especially to folks that are trying to help you. Thanks SirPhunkee for your help here... and everyone else that took a shot at it.

kimtyson said:
Talon Pro, please be kind, especially to folks that are trying to help you. Thanks SirPhunkee for your help here... and everyone else that took a shot at it.
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No problem, it's worth a try anyway
Talon Pro said:
Yea ive seen Brents work, but its all 'skinned' stock icons, or the goofy looking 6.5 icons. Still nice stuff though.
Thanks for your help
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Did either of the neon sliders end up being the one you're looking for?
Since you're running TF3D 2.1, you can easily build your own sliders using HDWalls, and you can use just about any images you want for the icons...the app does a great job of resizing them as needed and building a cab to install the whole slider for you.

sirphunkee said:
No problem, it's worth a try anyway
Did either of the neon sliders end up being the one you're looking for?
Since you're running TF3D 2.1, you can easily build your own sliders using HDWalls, and you can use just about any images you want for the icons...the app does a great job of resizing them as needed and building a cab to install the whole slider for you.
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Yes it was the one i wanted. Now im looking for a taskbar of the same lol. I didnt know that HDWalls was a program, thought it was just a 'image on all tabs' thing.
Thanks.

How come none of the stock Icon sets i can find, dont have the Navigation icon? The Neon set above has a 'layered' one, meaning it sets it over top the grey icon (off center though).
Oh, and the HDWalls is working nicely, got two icons done so far

Talon Pro said:
How come none of the stock Icon sets i can find, dont have the Navigation icon? The Neon set above has a 'layered' one, meaning it sets it over top the grey icon (off center though).
Oh, and the HDWalls is working nicely, got two icons done so far
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Navigation Icon? I don't have a 'navigation' tab on my 6.1, so I'm guessing that it's not part of the regular set of tabs and therefore there's not a provision for it in the usual list of manila files for the icons.
If you (or somebody) can just pin down the exact name of the manila file for that specfic tab's icons, you can use HDWalls to create one (for a different tab), and then just rename it to match the odd manila file related to the nav. tab. Let me know if that makes sense...I can do it better than I can describe it lol

I have the Touch Pro2 which still has TF3D 2.1 (non-sense lol).
How do i go about locating it? I know the files are in the Windows folder, but how to view them? Guess ill do some google searching too.

I also want the comm manager tab and the programs tab back, that was on the TP1...

Try CFC GUI and make your icons: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=470798
Have never heard of a navigation tab though, but if exists, you'll be able to find it with CFC GUI

Who wants a Titanium (no Sense) ROM?

Alright, so I have no experience making a ROM, but I figure I might as well learn. I personally am interested in a ROM for the HD2 that just uses Titanium - none of that messy Sense nonsense - and to the best of my knowledge the current ROM chefs aren't too interested in that.
However, considering I can always just turn off Sense, it seems like a lot of work for just me. Is anyone else out there interested in such a thing? I presume you'd want it based on 6.5.x, not the standard 6.5?
If there's enough interest, I'll get started tonight.

Also, if you are interested, please post what other add-ons you'd want pre-installed. I'd like to keep it fairly basic, and allow users to add their own customizations later, but I figure maybe at least 4-column start menu and slider at the bottom.

Would be a good idea to have one. I'd love to have compatible themes as well for it. It's really tough searching for them as nobody is really into that anymore. Titanium would fly on our phones as HTC Sense for WinMo is pretty slow compared to it's Android counterpart. I ran HTC Sense on my Nexus One and it was crazy fast and the Nexus One has less RAM and ROM space than the HD2

I like to use the phone without Sense, but recently with the Elegancia ROM from steve0007 I have been using it with Sense enabled. When I disable Sense, there is a weird issue on the HD2, and I think I experienced it with other ROMs too, where the default menus don't disappear from the screen once I have tapped what I need. They just stay, blocking the screen, and the only solution is a soft reset. It'd be nice to have the ability to enable and disable Sense at will without an issue like this. A ROM without Sense at all might be a solution but I prefer having both options.

Miri has a couple options out, Titanium only or without both. But you have to go over to that 'other site' to get them.

mwelch16 said:
Miri has a couple options out, Titanium only or without both. But you have to go over to that 'other site' to get them.
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Just checked it out. Looks like its based on 6.5. Nothing wrong with that per se, but without Sense you lose the HTC apps like contacts, calendar, etc and 6.5.x is a nice upgrade over 6.5 in that area.

pinhead said:
I like to use the phone without Sense, but recently with the Elegancia ROM from steve0007 I have been using it with Sense enabled. When I disable Sense, there is a weird issue on the HD2, and I think I experienced it with other ROMs too, where the default menus don't disappear from the screen once I have tapped what I need. They just stay, blocking the screen, and the only solution is a soft reset. It'd be nice to have the ability to enable and disable Sense at will without an issue like this. A ROM without Sense at all might be a solution but I prefer having both options.
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I'm sorry, can you explain this a little more? I've used stock, Energy, and Kumar's ROMs all with Titanium and I don't think I've seen that one.

I'm using a really basic rom right now with HTC's stuff disabled. I prefer the WinMo 6.5 style today screen, SMS app, and speed. I've tried a bunch of roms and sense just bogs the phone down to the point that they keyboard becomes slow and unresponsive and that drives me bonkers!

FYI - I've been playing around with kitchens, and have what appears to be a stable version of a fast, basic, Titanium-only ROM running on my phone.
I'll play around with it some more to sort out bugs and clean up my kitchen a bit more. Look for a thread with the ROM download in the coming days!

I'm relatively new, and will do a search here shortly, but Titanium? My biggest gripe with this phone is the messaging app. It always lags heavily every time I get a new text, as well as other weird time stamp issues. I would be interested in a ROM w/o the HTC messaging app, and if Titanium is it, them I'm game!
Like I said, I will be searching RIGHT after this about what all this is, and if there's a solution to what I'm looking for now.

tbot said:
I'm relatively new, and will do a search here shortly, but Titanium? My biggest gripe with this phone is the messaging app. It always lags heavily every time I get a new text, as well as other weird time stamp issues. I would be interested in a ROM w/o the HTC messaging app, and if Titanium is it, them I'm game!
Like I said, I will be searching RIGHT after this about what all this is, and if there's a solution to what I'm looking for now.
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Titanium is the default Windows Mobile 6.5 interface. If you want to see what it looks like - go to the settings tab, hit menu->all settings->today, go to the Items tab, and switch to Windows Default.
And you're in luck - I am using the standard Windows Mobile messaging app as well.

I got a ROM building as I type this, I'll let you guys know how it goes

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I'm sorry, can you explain this a little more? I've used stock, Energy, and Kumar's ROMs all with Titanium and I don't think I've seen that one.
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Here is a link to the ROM: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=654218
It is for the T-Mobile HD2. It is probably the best looking and most stable I have used on any Windows Mobile phone...and I used MANY on my Touch Pro2.

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Titanium is the default Windows Mobile 6.5 interface. If you want to see what it looks like - go to the settings tab, hit menu->all settings->today, go to the Items tab, and switch to Windows Default.
And you're in luck - I am using the standard Windows Mobile messaging app as well.
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How did you get the standard winmo messaging app? Even after I disabled the sense UI it still used the sense messaging...

tbot said:
How did you get the standard winmo messaging app? Even after I disabled the sense UI it still used the sense messaging...
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Sense UI and HTC messaging client are different but interdependent.
The HTCmessaging client may still function without sense UI.
If you want windows messaging, try here or need a cooked ROM like my Lite version ROM.

How is this coming along?
Anyone have any links to some Titanium ROMs?

i know nrg always puts out a titanium rom

NRG does have a Titanium Rom, however I have noticed a lot of programs are pre-packaged into the Rom that I would never use.
An Elegancia Titanium Rom would be the best of both worlds in my opinion. No fluff and allows for your own additions. Or a NRG Rom without the extras. Just my .02 in what I would like to see.

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How is this coming along?
Anyone have any links to some Titanium ROMs?
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I would recommend either Energy or Kumar's Titanium ROM, depending on what you're looking for.
I had something that was ok, not great, when the more established ROM chefs started putting out Titanium ROMs, so I figured I'd just leave it up to them.

Do you have a link for Kumars Titanium Rom? I see the Lite version but is that the same as Titanium or is there a separate thread which I am not seeing?
I'm going to download the Energy Rom but have a feeling it will still have too much added for my liking.

PLEASE help me understand...

I am REALLY confused as to how to get and install themes on my new phone. Some problems i have come across so far, with any instructions i have found, are:
Diamond TF3D Config DOES NOT work on my phone
I CANNOT untick TouchFlo3D as it DOES NOT appear in the items list of the today settings.
Can anyone shed some light on how you theme the phone. What can i be doing wrong?

billybag said:
I am REALLY confused as to how to get and install themes on my new phone. Some problems i have come across so far, with any instructions i have found, are:
Diamond TF3D Config DOES NOT work on my phone
I CANNOT untick TouchFlo3D as it DOES NOT appear in the items list of the today settings.
Can anyone shed some light on how you theme the phone. What can i be doing wrong?
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First you have to know what version of manila you're using. Are you using stock rom?

sounds like he doesnt have touchflo at all....
update rom, maybe then try...

It goes by different names... see if you have something called HTC Sense in your home items. Or Manilla
How are you trying to install the theme's? Are you talking about a theme for the menu bars (top and bottom) or are you talking about a theme for HTC Sense (Aka Touch flo 3d)
Each should basically install via a cab which is an install program. If its a standard windows mobile theme which will just change the background the bars then you just have to move the theme file which you can move over to a folder onto your phone (not SD card) and you should see it in your themes section in home settings.
If you want to switch appearance of HTC Sense/TouchFlo3d/Manilla... whatever you want to call it You can try this too... Theme Switcher] it looks interesting although Ive never tried it
Hope this helps

go to settings>all settigns>home or today>items

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go to settings>all settigns>home or today>items
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it is used to modify windows desktop theme, not manila theme
manila only supports change wallpaper,
if you want modify manila's theme, you need to modify theme code of manila

Sorry for the lag.
Apparently i do not have TouchFlow3d
I have Sense. Not sure why their is one or the other.... I was never asked which i wanted when buying the phone. Even the CUSTOMIZING HOME SCREEN tutorial on tmobile's site assumes you have TF3D.
The whole thing is just confusing.

And the reason i inquire is because i really hate the stock layout/display/theme of my phone but every single editor/mod/customizer i find is for the touchflo3d!!!!!! ESPECIALLY co0kies home screen editor. I really would have liked that. Why do sense users get the shaft?

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And the reason i inquire is because i really hate the stock layout/display/theme of my phone but every single editor/mod/customizer i find is for the touchflo3d!!!!!! ESPECIALLY co0kies home screen editor. I really would have liked that. Why do sense users get the shaft?
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ummm... you might wanna look into that alittle bit more. cookies home screen works with sense also, 2.1 or 2.5.
TF3D= pretty much the just wm6.1 and what i call a "test" for sense
2.1= pretty much wm6.5 and like TF3d but with graphic improvements and stuff.
2.5= ment for the HD2 but since were cool we ripped it, but pretty much same as 2.1 but just an updated version pretty much
if i may suggest a ROM for you it would be this... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=569507
just scroll down to the 2nd post and look for "- valkyrie.ftp v6.7.21904-TR2.5 28th MAY wm6.5 without extra tabbs" it has cookie cooked it it
that would more than likely fit you since its a basic version and has good things preloaded with it. but if you want more than just that then go for this ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=562773
just look for the download button with sense 2.5 and that has the cookie mod already cooked in it as well
just make sure to hardSPL your rhodium before you do any of this. for any more info just look in the ROM development thread and look for things in there.
with that said im done for today and im going to sleep

billybag said:
Sorry for the lag.
Apparently i do not have TouchFlow3d
I have Sense. Not sure why their is one or the other.... I was never asked which i wanted when buying the phone. Even the CUSTOMIZING HOME SCREEN tutorial on tmobile's site assumes you have TF3D.
The whole thing is just confusing.
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Like I said.. Sense is touchflo3D for all intensive purposes... most of the editors you see WILL work with sense. Sense is the newer name for Touchflo3d.
Sense comes in different varients... 2.1 and 2.5... you likely have one of those. I can't say for sure but I thought that cookies home tab only worked with 2.5 which is a significant upgrade. If it does work with Sense 2.1 then odds are you are good either way.
Do some more reading and you'll find out everything you need.

Aaron McCarthy said:
Like I said.. Sense is touchflo3D for all intensive purposes... most of the editors you see WILL work with sense. Sense is the newer name for Touchflo3d.
Sense comes in different varients... 2.1 and 2.5... you likely have one of those. I can't say for sure but I thought that cookies home tab only worked with 2.5 which is a significant upgrade. If it does work with Sense 2.1 then odds are you are good either way.
Do some more reading and you'll find out everything you need.
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It doesn't work with 2.1 I already tried a while ago and ended up having to hard reset my phone, losing everything, because it screwed it up.