is it just a case of brute force ?! if so, are there programmes we can run to help crunch the numbers ?!
I don't know for a fact really, but from what I gathered it's just a choice to do it this way.
The system itself stays in this way untouched.
ignore v
mda4man said:
what is the matter with people like you. stop creating pointless threads, you don't no what the hell your talking about so just shut up and let the developers work on it
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Give him a break... Imho, this is way better than the 100th thread like "Why can't we flash to Nand, yet, when is it gonna be done?". He obviously doesn't know how it has to be done technically (neither do I, btw) and therefore, he is asking if he/others can help. I don't see why this is so bad.
I am curious myself about what's the "fuzz" behind the whole nand thing, just because it's interesting and because I want to learn new stuff. But because of reactions like yours, I have been afraid to ask anywhere if someone could explain in a couple of sentences what has to be done in order to get Nand access...
NAND does not consider to be an important development for now. But rather focus on stability such as battery, CPU suspend, bugs etc...
But look at how out of control this forum has got, its suppose to be for development read the title.
in very simple terms the nand is what boots our windows mobile operating system. Right now we are launching our android builds through windows mobile on a linux kernel on our sd card. Once we have access to the nand android will become our operating system effectively. This means that when we turn our phone off then on it will be Android windows mobile will cease to exist. There is absolutely nothing us normal people can do riyght now to aid nand development. Cotulla is working on this and will update us with his progress next month. Until then all you need to no is people want nand porting because the Android os Will run quicker and more stable then when on the SD card
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But look at how out of control this forum has got, its suppose to be for development read the title.
in very simple terms the nand is what boots our windows mobile operating system. Right now we are launching our android builds through windows mobile on a linux kernel on our sd card. Once we have access to the nand android will become our operating system effectively. This means that when we turn our phone off then on it will be Android windows mobile will cease to exist. There is absolutely nothing us normal people can do riyght now to aid nand development. Cotulla is working on this and will update us with his progress next month. Until then all you need to no is people want nand porting because the Android os Will run quicker and more stable then when on the SD card
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I think, this time, the OP was asking specificaly about the NAND's encryption and whether we could help with 'unlocking' that.
I dunno, but I think thats what he meant.
anyway, i dont think this was the usual "when will NAND be ready?" thread.
Maybe his question could even be considered a valid one...if a little vague.
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But look at how out of control this forum has got, its suppose to be for development read the title.
in very simple terms the nand is what boots our windows mobile operating system. Right now we are launching our android builds through windows mobile on a linux kernel on our sd card. Once we have access to the nand android will become our operating system effectively. This means that when we turn our phone off then on it will be Android windows mobile will cease to exist. There is absolutely nothing us normal people can do riyght now to aid nand development. Cotulla is working on this and will update us with his progress next month. Until then all you need to no is people want nand porting because the Android os Will run quicker and more stable then when on the SD card
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I think you've misinterpreted him he was asking of there was any way that he/we could help in the nand area, ok he may of posted in a not so normal manner & may have been better pming deb's but at least he is offering something instead of the constant "I want" "I need" "why can't I" type of thread.
i doubt this'll be of any use but i used to own an ATT Tilt (still do but my lover is in about 4 pieces of mechanical fail). I don't know if the HD2 has locked NAND or if you were looking to just replace Windows with Android (or preferably iOS4 which is clearly superior). I wasn't on Team Edward (or was it Jacob) that made the flashable NAND. I would suggest you ask them.
Here's a great guide on it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=680518
and I'd talk to the devs that got that going because they rock
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i doubt this'll be of any use but i used to own an ATT Tilt (still do but my lover is in about 4 pieces of mechanical fail). I don't know if the HD2 has locked NAND or if you were looking to just replace Windows with Android (or preferably iOS4 which is clearly superior). I wasn't on Team Edward (or was it Jacob) that made the flashable NAND. I would suggest you ask them.
Here's a great guide on it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=680518
and I'd talk to the devs that got that going because they rock
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Oh wow! Now I would love to see and iOS4 ROM for my HD2. That would be pure sweetness!
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I think you've misinterpreted him he was asking of there was any way that he/we could help in the nand area, ok he may of posted in a not so normal manner & may have been better pming deb's but at least he is offering something instead of the constant "I want" "I need" "why can't I" type of thread.
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EXACTLY IMO anyway....
enatefox: what?
and are we even allowed to mention ios4 on xda
enatefox said:
or preferably iOS4 which is clearly superior
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Diasagree
iOS:
-> Extremely closed code
-> Still no real multitasking
-> No embedded Flash
-> Sucking UI for dorks
-> Nearly no UI modding possible
enatefox said:
i doubt this'll be of any use but i used to own an ATT Tilt (still do but my lover is in about 4 pieces of mechanical fail). I don't know if the HD2 has locked NAND or if you were looking to just replace Windows with Android (or preferably iOS4 which is clearly superior). I wasn't on Team Edward (or was it Jacob) that made the flashable NAND. I would suggest you ask them.
Here's a great guide on it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=680518
and I'd talk to the devs that got that going because they rock
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iOS4 on HD2? is that even theoretically possible?
personally i dont give a donkeys 3rd leg if its possible or even probable. If a i0s4 rom was even thought up for the hd2, i would proceed to run my hd2 over with the heaviest item i could find, and then go buy a nexus, for which no one would even think of making an apple rom
I will point out I was kidding about iOS4 but unfortunately not about my broken Tilt =/
So anyhoo Tilt/Kaiser/Vogue devs got flashable Android on their Windows phones and I posted the link to the guide. I'd track them down (clearly with gps-based superdrones) and ask them for memory addresses, etc. you'd need to pull it off.
Also, I watched kingofyo1 boot an iPhone4 with both hands. I told him "hombre, you don't need both hands" and he made some crass remark about how it felt more natural. Or maybe I just made that up.. could've been g1bricked
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I will point out I was kidding about iOS4 but unfortunately not about my broken Tilt =/
So anyhoo Tilt/Kaiser/Vogue devs got flashable Android on their Windows phones and I posted the link to the guide. I'd track them down (clearly with gps-based superdrones) and ask them for memory addresses, etc. you'd need to pull it off.
Also, I watched kingofyo1 boot an iPhone4 with both hands. I told him "hombre, you don't need both hands" and he made some crass remark about how it felt more natural. Or maybe I just made that up.. could've been g1bricked
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yeah, probably g1bricked... only time ive held an iphone 4 was when one of my teachers was showin it off... i played with it for a sec, then told him it was total **** and he needed to sell it and get an android device... he promptly aced me for informing him about android
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But look at how out of control this forum has got, its suppose to be for development read the title.
in very simple terms the nand is what boots our windows mobile operating system. Right now we are launching our android builds through windows mobile on a linux kernel on our sd card. Once we have access to the nand android will become our operating system effectively. This means that when we turn our phone off then on it will be Android windows mobile will cease to exist. There is absolutely nothing us normal people can do riyght now to aid nand development. Cotulla is working on this and will update us with his progress next month. Until then all you need to no is people want nand porting because the Android os Will run quicker and more stable then when on the SD card
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I totally agree with you that in total, the forum could be much less filled with threads/posts that are not necessary if people actually read some FAQ or such.
But I think you really misunderstood what the OP (and maybe even I) was saying. Thanks for your explanation, but I was hoping for a little bit more of a technical explanation as to why there is no easy Nand access, yet. I am well aware of what it is and what it does (and what the benefits are of running Android from Nand), I was just curious about the underlying process of the "unlocking" (or whatever the correct technical term is). Is there an encryption to be broken, a "file system" to be imitated? Like I said before, I just ask these question because I think it's interesting to know, not in order to push anyone. I bought the HD2 as it is and I'm more than happy with anything that's being done with it
I think the OP was thinking about something like putting together computing resources, since he was talking about BruteForce.
considering i am a iphone owner and apart of there jailbreak community ,
i will honestly say that if this was the iphone forum where people didnt respect the rules , the jailbreak or unlock would never get released ..thats what they wait for , just how we wait for this android on nand , ..and when they do release it takes them months to prepair and maybe longer to create but its ,eaiser for them because there are always beta ios's coming out for them to see what they nedd to do , so ...either which a way ....leave it to the dev's
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considering i am a iphone owner and apart of there jailbreak community ,
i will honestly say that if this was the iphone forum where people didnt respect the rules , the jailbreak or unlock would never get released ..thats what they wait for , just how we wait for this android on nand , ..and when they do release it takes them months to prepair and maybe longer to create but its ,eaiser for them because there are always beta ios's coming out for them to see what they nedd to do , so ...either which a way ....leave it to the dev's
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Ummm....
I'm sorely confused by the shoddy punctuation of your post (?). Something about an Android living on an island called Nand, easier development for iOS (??), and disrespectful Apple forum trolls (???).
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Stripping Windows Mobile off the HD2 would be cool, but if you don't wan't Windows Mobile, why would you buy the highest end phone offered that has it? It would have been more logical to buy one of the dozens of Android phones on the market.
~Jasecloud4
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Ummm....
I'm sorely confused by the shoddy punctuation of your post (?). Something about an Android living on an island called Nand, easier development for iOS (??), and disrespectful Apple forum trolls (???).
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Stripping Windows Mobile off the HD2 would be cool, but if you don't wan't Windows Mobile, why would you buy the highest end phone offered that has it? It would have been more logical to buy one of the dozens of Android phones on the market.
~Jasecloud4
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well i got my hd2 for free so thats why i have one and using it for android
i do have bad punctuation , but basically what i was say was a reply to some one else post..i am backing off this thread ...bout to go make some runs need a new motherboard for my pc
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I think its time for a new HD2 Section... What do you think. Mods?
Rarely do I post but I do read (and seach) all the time. I believe that the initial problem with adding a section for android is that android is not at all ready for the HD2, respectively.
While I do sit back in amazement with how fast development is moving along, adding a android section would bring even more "one timers" (folks that register just to ask a question that has been answered 20 times before) and flood the boards even more than they were when the HTC-LINUX discussion was open.
Its my opinion that though android is looking spectacular at this point, until there is a reliable way to flash android to NAND or at least a build that can hold its own without making you reboot your phone over and over, the temporary solutions that the mods have decided upon should stay in place.
Id like to conclude this post by saying thank you to the team for continuing to develop the linux kernel and various builds on their free time.
Good day.
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I think its time for a new HD2 Section... What do you think. Mods?
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Wait until it can be flashed before you propose this. Having a ROM of android that can be flashed is better than using it through a loader.
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Wait until it can be flashed before you propose this. Having a ROM of android that can be flashed is better than using it through a loader.
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It would be great when there will be a android rom in the next days! The newest android is really great and smooth! Why don´t try to flash it to internal stonage?
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It would be great when there will be a android rom in the next days! The newest android is really great and smooth! Why don´t try to flash it to internal stonage?
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Because they still need winmo to initialize a lot of the hardware. Only 1 or 2 winmo devices have flashable android roms out of over a dozen devices that have android ports... most having been developed for years. It will probably still be a while before there is a flashable rom... I don't see the appeal, anyways. It doesn't improve performance much, if any. And it takes away the ability to have both winmo and android on your phone. If you want to only run android, why not get an android device? By the time there is flashable android roms for the HD2, there will probably be android phones with specs and screen equal or better for all the carriers and countries people say they can't get good android phones for.
Why would you want to flash android instead of having the ability to run both winmo and android, and any other linux ports that are released? Is there any reason? I would much prefer a dual-booting power phone than making it just another android phone that probably won't run as well as a native android phone.
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Because they still need winmo to initialize a lot of the hardware. Only 1 or 2 winmo devices have flashable android roms out of over a dozen devices that have android ports... most having been developed for years. It will probably still be a while before there is a flashable rom... I don't see the appeal, anyways. It doesn't improve performance much, if any. And it takes away the ability to have both winmo and android on your phone. If you want to only run android, why not get an android device? By the time there is flashable android roms for the HD2, there will probably be android phones with specs and screen equal or better for all the carriers and countries people say they can't get good android phones for.
Why would you want to flash android instead of having the ability to run both winmo and android, and any other linux ports that are released? Is there any reason? I would much prefer a dual-booting power phone than making it just another android phone that probably won't run as well as a native android phone.
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Ok you´re right! I didn´t think like you before but you´re really right!
But a faster sd card would speed the android up a bit right? I just have a class 4 card...I think I have to buy a faster one
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I believe that the initial problem with adding a section for android is that android is not at all ready for the HD2, respectively.
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adding a android section would bring even more "one timers" (folks that register just to ask a question that has been answered 20 times before) and flood the boards even more than they were when the HTC-LINUX discussion was open.
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This is a good & thoughtful opinion, though I feel that a section just for Android will allow people to more easily access the basic information that 'one timers' want to get, so a new section might help this problem rather than making it worse.
It would keep it all in one place, which would leave the ROM development section for WinMo rom discussion only.
There have been Android sections for Xperia, Pro2, Pro, Blackstone etc while the port was much more immature than the HD2 Port.
Now almost everything is working in Android, and there's lots of discussion & various people putting builds together on a regular basis.
Due to this progress and huge level of interest, I think it's time for a separate section for Android on HD2.
cli9ck on vote to frontpage
I only voted yes because im sick of seeing threads with android questions posted all over, its boring now, I see Android as a dual boot-able os, not something i wanna take my phone over with
boba23 said:
Man, I seriously doubt your statement here ...
Do you have any comparative numbers to back your opinion there? Fact is, Android runs "on top" of WinMo right now. Meaning you have a complete operating system running in the background.
I really expect at least some noticeable performance improvement if an optimized android is running standalone on the HD2.
boba
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Look at the other ports on other devices. Go read the threads. Sometimes when flashed to nand they will lose some functionality until they get driers right and every initializes right.
And Android does not run on top of winmo... where do you get that from?? Android is running stand-alone while it's running. It all runs from ram... only speed difference is the speed that data gets sent to ram, which is quicker with nand, but not enough to make a big difference. Haret shuts down the windows ce kernel and boot the linux kernel. You can't have 2 kernels running at once. The windows kernel does help by initializing some hardware, but it get completely shut down. Thats why you can't just close out of android and go back to windows. Its not emulated. I've been playing with these android ports for years using haret with many different winmo devices.
Having a faster memory card probably make some difference, too, but again, only with certain tasks. Most things I don't think you'd see a huge speed difference in actual operation.
I think YES !!!
i don't think that an android section would get more people asking for android builds. Especially if you add a sticky in top of the section regarding the progress of android and that it's not finished yet. I think it should be a android development thread only so people that are interested in the development know were to look.
Futhermore i think there should be a good explenation on how to install android and get it working so people can easily try android for themselves and see that it's not nearly opperational yet.
last but not least. there'll always be people asking if android is finished. These people are just too ignorant to recognize how a forum works and read a thread. They are not actually interested in the progress of all the great developers here but just want a quick fix to show of to their friends. They should brick there device and buy an android phone.
don't let the people that are really interested suffer from the ignorant fools.
sorry but i needed to get that of my chest.
that's my opinion,
greets Boris.
I think its getting ridiculous here. Please mods open a new Android HD2 section. There is so much information out there for Android on the HD2 its getting messy in this section. The poll tells you what the people want.
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Because they still need winmo to initialize a lot of the hardware. Only 1 or 2 winmo devices have flashable android roms out of over a dozen devices that have android ports... most having been developed for years. It will probably still be a while before there is a flashable rom... I don't see the appeal, anyways. It doesn't improve performance much, if any. And it takes away the ability to have both winmo and android on your phone. If you want to only run android, why not get an android device? By the time there is flashable android roms for the HD2, there will probably be android phones with specs and screen equal or better for all the carriers and countries people say they can't get good android phones for.
Why would you want to flash android instead of having the ability to run both winmo and android, and any other linux ports that are released? Is there any reason? I would much prefer a dual-booting power phone than making it just another android phone that probably won't run as well as a native android phone.
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I agree, I think it's the greatest thing in the world to have both winmo and android, the maximum usage and options you can get, because they complete each other... I can't wait to have the stable version of the android to mh HD2
Enjoy, everyone.
It was time!
Hahahahaha, I just love how they put this thread in the android section, i laugh every time i see it
Thanks for adding this new forum ! I always like how XDA staff is listening to their users.
I see a problem about this forum though:
'HD2 Android Development' naming is erroneous for following two reasons:
-Most elementary progress is seated in the kernel - which has nothing to do with android in the first place. The kernel is Linux and not Android.
-Android is not the only userland based on Linux that is available. As seen here there is ubuntu and other stuff.
I therefore vote we rename the forum to 'HD2 Linux and Android development'
I have seen a ubuntu thread already where the user complains he is actually posting in the wrong subforum due to this naming problem.
edit: Find a thread discussing this issue XDA globally see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=654560
dcordes said:
I therefore vote we rename the forum to 'HD2 Linux and Android development'
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I second that.
The Linux heart is what alloweded the HD2 beast to start breathing
Sent from my HD2 using smoke signals
BUMP
I would welcome a moderator comment here
OK.....People on and creators of this forum automatically assume that everyone knows what all of these terms and different words are? Speaking for myself only, I am patent my self as being a pretty smart guy I am in college and I have a pretty decent GPA, but I play football and study marketing. I dont know nor do I have to figure out how to do flash my phone etc. Is there not a cab or a simple way to get android on the HD2. I currently have the Samsung Vibrant and HD2 and are torn between the 2. I want the HD2 hardware but like the vibrant software. Is there not a simple way or can I pay someone in the Dallas TX area to put a WORKING version of Android on my phone. Or is there a simple way step by step broken down lamest terms way to do this. I am overwhelmed with all of the stuff on this website. I know i can probably sit down and read and figure out how to do all of this but I dont have the time nor patience. I JUST WANT THE WORKING ANDROID ON MY DEVICE. CAN SOME ONE PLEASE HELP ME???????????i WILL PAY SOMEONE
At this time, Android on the HD2 is neither worth your time, or patience. The reason I say that is because pretty much every build is nothing like a native device; it will have bugs, freezes, etc.
Either you invest some time, and a little patience, or just spend the money on Android native.
Good luck!
Well you should reconsider the "pretty smart guy" part.
There is a stickied thread ★★★The Definitve Guide To Android On HTC HD2 ★★★ which cant be easier to understand.
If you cant make it following this super easy guide, you should buy native ANDROID device or just use your winmo.
KowboyBebop said:
Well you should reconsider the "pretty smart guy" part.
There is a stickied thread ★★★The Definitve Guide To Android On HTC HD2 ★★★ which cant be easier to understand.
If you cant make it following this super easy guide, you should buy native ANDROID device or just use your winmo.
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The subliminal criticism isnt necessary homie...chill out
lockb05 said:
OK.....People on and creators of this forum automatically assume that everyone knows what all of these terms and different words are? Speaking for myself only, I am patent my self as being a pretty smart guy I am in college and I have a pretty decent GPA, but I play football and study marketing. I dont know nor do I have to figure out how to do flash my phone etc. Is there not a cab or a simple way to get android on the HD2. I currently have the Samsung Vibrant and HD2 and are torn between the 2. I want the HD2 hardware but like the vibrant software. Is there not a simple way or can I pay someone in the Dallas TX area to put a WORKING version of Android on my phone. Or is there a simple way step by step broken down lamest terms way to do this. I am overwhelmed with all of the stuff on this website. I know i can probably sit down and read and figure out how to do all of this but I dont have the time nor patience. I JUST WANT THE WORKING ANDROID ON MY DEVICE. CAN SOME ONE PLEASE HELP ME???????????i WILL PAY SOMEONE
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For being "a pretty smart" guy you've got horrible spelling and grammar.
You say you are patient but contradict yourself in the same post by saying "I dont have the time nor patience."
I didn't know any of terms used here last week, but as someone said earlier the instructions xda provides is more than enough to understand whats going on. Just use your brain and read. Otherwise, just get a real android phone.
vdawg7 said:
For being "a pretty smart" guy you've got horrible spelling and grammar.
You say you are patient but contradict yourself in the same post by saying "I dont have the time nor patience."
I didn't know any of terms used here last week, but as someone said earlier the instructions xda provides is more than enough to understand whats going on. Just use your brain and read. Otherwise, just get a real android phone.
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I said I "patent"(maybe grammar and spelling isnt your thing either) my self on being a pretty smart guy, meaning I dont know everything......Computers is one of my weak points ..... I just want android homie Im not trying to waste my time bickering with someone online I got waaaaaaay more important things to do like studying and making good grades on this FULL scholarship I have, and whether my grammar and spelling is perfect or not Im about to have a degree and graduate school with 0 loans and when I get drafted Im sure I can get some one to put android on my hd2.
lets say I do all those steps posted in those links....does android work good yet? All those steps and stuff overwhelm me
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I said I "patent"(maybe grammar and spelling isnt your thing either) my self on being a pretty smart guy, meaning I dont know everything......Computers is one of my weak points ..... I just want android homie Im not trying to waste my time bickering with someone online I got waaaaaaay more important things to do like studying and making good grades on this FULL scholarship I have, and whether my grammar and spelling is perfect or not Im about to have a degree and graduate school with 0 loans and when I get drafted Im sure I can get some one to put android on my hd2.
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Actually, grammar and spelling is my thing. I'm a court reporter, and when I see your post it drives me bananas. You should seriously focus more on your schooling.
So, let me get this straight...
You want android on your phone, but you don't want to do anything? Think about that for a second.
Nobody here can help you because you are basically asking someone to physically do it for you. The guides provided on this website are more than enough.
As I stated before, I didn't even know what a ROM was last week. If you are so impatient, then just move on. This is not for the computer illiterate.
First thing I'm doing to say: Don't rush into it. I've put down some simple steps, but learn a bit about each stage before you do it. I'm not going to accept responsibility if you do something wrong.
Step 1: HSPL your device. Follow this guide with this HSPL.
Step 2: Flash a radio. I'm using 2.12.50.02_2.
Step 3: Download an Android build. I use Darkstone Froyo v1 with Cotulla's latest zImage (as of 03/08 [DD/MM])..
Step 4: Stick the build on your SD card, and replace the old zImage with the new one.
Step 5: Via WM, run clrcad (nothing will show up, it's normal) and then haret.
how do we install apps like keyboard apks in hd2 android builds?
i cant find the answer on the forum..
Put the apk on your SD card and use the app "File Manager" to locate and run the file.
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Put the apk on your SD card and use the app "File Manager" to locate and run the file.
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yup, finally figured it out.. i was actually wondering where in the sd card to put the file..
lockb05 said:
OK.....People on and creators of this forum automatically assume that everyone knows what all of these terms and different words are? Speaking for myself only, I am patent my self as being a pretty smart guy I am in college and I have a pretty decent GPA, but I play football and study marketing. I dont know nor do I have to figure out how to do flash my phone etc. Is there not a cab or a simple way to get android on the HD2. I currently have the Samsung Vibrant and HD2 and are torn between the 2. I want the HD2 hardware but like the vibrant software. Is there not a simple way or can I pay someone in the Dallas TX area to put a WORKING version of Android on my phone. Or is there a simple way step by step broken down lamest terms way to do this. I am overwhelmed with all of the stuff on this website. I know i can probably sit down and read and figure out how to do all of this but I dont have the time nor patience. I JUST WANT THE WORKING ANDROID ON MY DEVICE. CAN SOME ONE PLEASE HELP ME???????????i WILL PAY SOMEONE
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there are so much info to get you going instead of trying to tell everyone you are pretty smart but yet try getting someone to fully baby sit you, this is really strange? very strange indeed!
lockb05 said:
OK.....People on and creators of this forum automatically assume that everyone knows what all of these terms and different words are? Speaking for myself only, I am patent my self as being a pretty smart guy I am in college and I have a pretty decent GPA, but I play football and study marketing. I dont know nor do I have to figure out how to do flash my phone etc. Is there not a cab or a simple way to get android on the HD2. I currently have the Samsung Vibrant and HD2 and are torn between the 2. I want the HD2 hardware but like the vibrant software. Is there not a simple way or can I pay someone in the Dallas TX area to put a WORKING version of Android on my phone. Or is there a simple way step by step broken down lamest terms way to do this. I am overwhelmed with all of the stuff on this website. I know i can probably sit down and read and figure out how to do all of this but I dont have the time nor patience. I JUST WANT THE WORKING ANDROID ON MY DEVICE. CAN SOME ONE PLEASE HELP ME???????????i WILL PAY SOMEONE
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alright bro, check it out... HD2 Forum is not the only place to learn about android. There are plenty of forums on XDA that will provide an ample amount of information about what you are looking for. As far as a cab, there is no such thing as a simple cab to just install android as an app.
Easiest thing to do is to read and search. If you dont know a term, google is your friend. here is a start thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=728813
FWIW (for what its worth) I will post my setup -
Base ROM - NRG Barebones WinMo
Radio - 2.10.50.26
Android Build - shubi-CyanogenRC2
SDcard - Class 10 4GB
DualBoot app - depends which one i am testing
Please read the information on flashing a radio and a ROM before you ask how to do it or come back and say that your phone wont power on. All information is here on XDA, if you dont bother to read, I wont bother to help (sounds rude, but I can only do so much via a PC).
Best of luck, and if you are still completely lost, hit me up via gtalk - [email protected]
this thread is pure win, lol
it underlines the fact that reading makes smarter
also, that asking uncle google always help
but without knowledge of fact one, fact two is senseless.
If your willing to pay ... Why dont you buy a HTC Desire it has Andriod 2.1 fully working .. No bugs .. You even get support ... And it has simular hardware as HD2
Or wait till Motorolla launches its "almost same as IgayPad thing" wich runs Andriod 3.0
Really changing your HD2 wont work without spending some hours reading into stuff. Because when you **** it up .. And believe me it will happen at least once .. You do need to know how to handle and get you phone back to working.
And stop flaming. Trivial questions are asked all the time and we (if i may speak onbehave others) are getting a lil sick of it. It fills up good dev threats till its hardly readable.
Btw sorry for my bad englisch its not my native language
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OK.....People on and creators of this forum automatically assume that everyone knows what all of these terms and different words are? Speaking for myself only, I am patent my self as being a pretty smart guy I am in college and I have a pretty decent GPA, but I play football and study marketing. I dont know nor do I have to figure out how to do flash my phone etc. Is there not a cab or a simple way to get android on the HD2. I currently have the Samsung Vibrant and HD2 and are torn between the 2. I want the HD2 hardware but like the vibrant software. Is there not a simple way or can I pay someone in the Dallas TX area to put a WORKING version of Android on my phone. Or is there a simple way step by step broken down lamest terms way to do this. I am overwhelmed with all of the stuff on this website. I know i can probably sit down and read and figure out how to do all of this but I dont have the time nor patience. I JUST WANT THE WORKING ANDROID ON MY DEVICE. CAN SOME ONE PLEASE HELP ME???????????i WILL PAY SOMEONE
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Uhh, you might want to just stick to the Samsung Vibrant buddy. IMO the hardware in the Vibrant is superior overall. Sure the HD2 has an extra 64MB of RAM, and an extra .3" of screen space, but the Galaxy S series of phones (what the Vibrant is part of) have that nice SAMOLED screen, 802.11 b/g/n, bluetooth 3.0 support, 720p video recording (which WM cannot do, regardless if the camera CAN support it), and a large storage capacity...16GB I think. Then there is Samsung's Hummingbird processor vs Qualcomm's Snapdragon processor, and more importantly, The PowerVR SGX540 GPU (in the Vibrant, and all other Galaxy S devices) vs the Adreno 200 GPU (formerly AMD z430 and the GPU for the current Snapdragon CPU's, which the HD2 uses). You should research it yourself, but I'll go ahead and tell you Samsung's Hummingbird wins.
OK...to shut you up and do the reading for you... it doesnt take long to work out.
1) Download HSPL
2) Download Radio
3) Download ROM
4) Format SD Card
5) Download Android or Froyo Build to SD Card
Android - Straight on SD card
Froyo - Put in Android folder on root
Take the leap/risk, its totally worth it.
I asked process questions 2 days ago, but I did the homework and reading behind it rather than moaning. Nobody cares if you play American handball.
READ the forums and advice people are giving you! It takes NO MORE than 10minutes for complete the whole process.
PS. Extra advice. Create a folder on your desktop with sub folders for each section (HSPL, Radio, ROM, Build). Makes things a little bit easier to follow.
@wilwilwel
He wilwilwel,
I have to disagree with you. If you read the forums and understand the process of it (read my previous reply on this forum) it doesnt take any time at all. There is no risk at all, Android works absolutly fine on the HD2, granted its still early days and development still needs to take place on the software.
Take the risk, the worst that could happen to your HD2 is you have an awesome ROM on it which is much much better than the original HD2 software.
I empathize completely with the OP. There is a lot of technobabble that is thrown around on the forums. It is something that can be intimidating to a newcomer. It doesn't help that everything on here comes with warnings about potential destroying your very expensive device.
I don't know about others, but reading all the documentation in the world won't help me learn a process unless I see an example of it being done. Luckily, there are tons of videos on YouTube showing you in real time how to flash a new custom ROM and Android on your HD2.
The methods of getting Android on your phone really are made for dummies, you just have to cut through the jargon.
[Q] Simple question - NAND & Android on HD2 - Why we still cannot get working NAND v.
Well, my question is simple :
Why we still dont have NAND version of Android ?
Is it problem with .... drivers or anything else ?
Please tell me what is the problem. Why its so hard to develop working NAND Rom ?
screen orentation sensor makes the screen lag ... and there are still some major bugs
Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.
KrewsialNL said:
Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.
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I guess the myth is if it's NAND then battery will be better which I really doubt.
Sorry but it's not an answer.
Many people want to have Nand version and it's their choice , but
it could be a good idea to tell us why there is so many problems
to create this kind of rom.
What parts are missing ....
What needs to be compiled ...
What to repaired...
Need some tech informations about this .
Who knows , many people is to busy to try create whole rom , but
there is many of us who knows programming and could Help .
But if someone will tell us what is a biggest problem ...
Linux was creating by many people , so maybe this time we can find solution together ?
Do a search!
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So what if i will use search.
I will get 2,000 posts with small ammount of answers.
Will be easier if any dev will completly with details
answer this question.
It will stop another 2,000 posts to occur .
Many questions - one answer.
It isn't working because only a handful are working on it while the rest whine and think a lame post begging for an eta will motivate the devs. If you want it done pick up a book and start learning about linux coding. It isn't done yet because nobody tries on their own.
Just because the initial development was lightning quick doesn't guarantee it will all tidily come together at the same rate.
Do you remember what appeared on your HD2 when you first turned it on? Windoze f'ing mobile. Be grateful for what you have.
To motivate the coders even a bit more you could create a "Who will be the 1st Android NAND coder" thread where users can donate cash for the price money.
The 1st coder who does so will win the cash.
Me.. I've donated cash already to some of the coders here, and I can wait till we have a stable good working version.
htc-hd2 said:
To motivate the coders even a bit more you could create a "Who will be the 1st Android NAND coder" thread where users can donate cash for the price money.
The 1st coder who does so will win the cash.
Me.. I've donated cash already to some of the coders here, and I can wait till we have a stable good working version.
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You know ... it could be a great idea .
If someone trusted will keep grand prize for this so why not ???
First person that will make a working rom will get a BIG PRIZE ....
might work .
After testing, if we see that it really works ....
I could donate if someone will start something like this.
I don't know how fair it would be to say the first to make an android would get the prize... Most likely it will be a cook making the rom using the work of many developers. It will be the same group of devs that got android working in the first place that will get it working on nand.... Dcordes, cotulla, netripper, etc... Might as well just donate. I'm sure it will be a group effort by them.
Nand is difficult because we will need a lot of new drivers to initialize the hardware... Right now winmo is used to initialize most hardware for android. I don't understand why you think it shouldn't be difficult... Look at other winmo devices that can run android... Only 2 out of a dozen can even boot from nand... And the nand versions are less functional than the versions run from sd card. It takes a LOT more work to get everything working on its own from nand without winmo to initialize hardware. I would expect the same with the first versions of nand booting for the hd2 also.... It will probably be nowhere near as functional as booting from sd until a lot of development is done. Be patient... It could be a long time before we have a nand bootable android that's anywhere as stable and functional as the sd bootable builds we currently have. I also doubt that speed or battery life will be much better with nand, if at all. We have great speed & batteries with our sd versions already... It will be hard to beat that with new nand versions, especially since many drivers for nand will probably have to be made from scratch. But you never know... We have some great devs and I've already been surprised with what they've accomplished.
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I guess you'll have to wait until the day you hire your own Android HD2 developer, then you can have them working on things that -you- want.
seriously, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm actually pondering about creating some sort of donations thread just to fix particular problems.
But, because this is a community driven effort, we are at the mercy of whatever developers/chefs want to have. If you don't like that, you may want to consider becoming a developer/chef yourself..
klopikxda said:
Well, my question is simple :
Why we still dont have NAND version of Android ?
Is it problem with .... drivers or anything else ?
Please tell me what is the problem. Why its so hard to develop working NAND Rom ?
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I'm actually quite happy with my HD2 running off of SD... It's actually faster than WM 6.5! Everything I have tested works including hotspot. Running mccm 1.5 with chuckydroid ROM
And I have the best of both worlds...Android and WM 6.5!
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
dontw said:
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
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There is no android app to shut down android and launch windows kernel, so that possibility is very far away if it's even possible. First they would need to get android booting off nand, which is a ways off, then a haret type app would need to be written for android that can launch the window ce kernel, which may be very difficult because windows is not open sourced, and then a version of winmo that will work with that will need to be developed.
I don't see this as being very likely to happen. If you want nand android, you're going to lose winmo.
Personally, I don't see why everyone wants to boot android from nand... It works so well from sd and you get to run multiple os on your phone. And looking at the history of nand booting android on winmo phones, the nand versions are usually less functional and don't really improve speed or battery that much. Doesn't seem worth it to change a multiple os superphone into a subpar android-only phone. But that's just me.
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I guess the simple question would be why? What do you gain from that setup compared to what we have today? You'd still get 2 OSes, but with a -lot- more work I presume.
right?
dontw said:
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
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I completely understand. I was just curious..Im sure there wouldent be any benefit of nand booting except another option and being able to shut up people from asking about it lol...I personally don't mind android running off the SD card...I have two and I use one as my everyday android build and I use the other for when new builds come out so I can try it out. Pretty sweet if yu ask me I'm sure some type of nand build will b out soon...everyone just needs to be patient
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Meh, I'd rather have our awesome devs working on meaningful things like the touch screen lag...
dontw said:
I completely understand. I was just curious..Im sure there wouldent be any benefit of nand booting except another option and being able to shut up people from asking about it lol...I personally don't mind android running off the SD card...I have two and I use one as my everyday android build and I use the other for when new builds come out so I can try it out. Pretty sweet if yu ask me I'm sure some type of nand build will b out soon...everyone just needs to be patient
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KrewsialNL said:
Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.
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footprint works on sense
i prefere sd card over nand ,easy switch between roms ,ihave 4 different roms on my sd card
Some things you should concider to think about before flash WP 7 !
This is just some of WP7 dissapointments which I experianced and why to revert back to WM 6.5 :
1. Activation stuff from MS ( I do not wont and do not need to "activate" to somebody my allready expensive HD2 device).As I read on net,Microsoft will have new activation policy in next WP7 phone update,so,nether WP7 modded ROM would not be safe to install.
2. Navigation looks like that children make it..Navigon is far primitive compared to Igo Primo.Lacks and mistakes are everywhere throughout it,very slow,not precise,no way to customise it...etc.etc.
3. Every kind of application has to be signed before any use or installation.
4. Zune software and bunch of unneccessery "addons" which comes in so called "Windows developer tools" to run from PC.You need to install Microsoft Expression,Zune,Microsoft games for marketplace,Microsoft Silverlight,3,4 SDKs,Visual studio Express..etc.etc.etc
5. Lack of easy access to documents,PDFs,files.Device become "Iphon-ised" and very "dummy".So,expensive device become dummy device.
6. Every kind of sync and use needs various hacks and registry modds.
7. Camera images looks like made by cheap 20$ idiot cameras.
8. No support for flash videos in browser.So,no Youtube.
9. Lack of "real" mighty programs....(I presume that it will be partialy fixed as time goes by)
10. No sharing SD cards between devices...
etc...etc...etc...
If you have to add something that I forget,please do and help to other users who are in doubt to flash WP7 or not.
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yeah, I have something to add.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814075
They promised Chinese IME since they release. Still nothing.
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To be honest, first time I've ran WP7 I thought this is a beta1 version. I haven't seen so many bugs and design flaws in any other mobile OS. It's a shame.
You realize half your complaints have to do with you running WP7 on a non WP7 device?
^^what he said
but i'm still dealing with it and waiting for the next update this Feb like MS announced
I am sure you are a frustrate buyer of an android phone , because i dont understand how the f. you compare a SO with some months in the market with winmo 6.5 or android or iphone who is established in the smartfone market years ago. Did you forget the begins of this " spectacularry " IPHONE or Android phones, and so manny bugs they have ????
Be patient my friend.The igo8 , primo, or sygic. or something gps about you talk have about 3-4 years acomodated in wm, and wm exist a long time ago.
Sorry but you cant see the future my friend .
tin2404 said:
Some things you should concider to think about before flash WP 7 !
This is just some of WP7 dissapointments which I experianced and why to revert back to WM 6.5 :
1. Activation stuff from MS ( I do not wont and do not need to "activate" to somebody my allready expensive HD2 device).As I read on net,Microsoft will have new activation policy in next WP7 phone update,so,nether WP7 modded ROM would not be safe to install.
2. Navigation looks like that children make it..Navigon is far primitive compared to Igo Primo.Lacks and mistakes are everywhere throughout it,very slow,not precise,no way to customise it...etc.etc.
3. Every kind of application has to be signed before any use or installation.
4. Zune software and bunch of unneccessery "addons" which comes in so called "Windows developer tools" to run from PC.You need to install Microsoft Expression,Zune,Microsoft games for marketplace,Microsoft Silverlight,3,4 SDKs,Visual studio Express..etc.etc.etc
5. Lack of easy access to documents,PDFs,files.Device become "Iphon-ised" and very "dummy".So,expensive device become dummy device.
6. Every kind of sync and use needs various hacks and registry modds.
7. Camera images looks like made by cheap 20$ idiot cameras.
8. No support for flash videos in browser.So,no Youtube.
9. Lack of "real" mighty programs....(I presume that it will be partialy fixed as time goes by)
10. No sharing SD cards between devices...
etc...etc...etc...
If you have to add something that I forget,please do and help to other users who are in doubt to flash WP7 or not.
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1. You will have activation issues when you try to run the OS on a non-supported phone. You ventured into it, so you have to deal with it.
2. For a 4 month old platform, WP7 is reasonably stable and bug free. Nothing, compared to the number of issues I had with my iPhone 2G.
3. Isn't that a good thing for a consumer-oriented device?
4. Zune, yes. Windows Dev Tools? NO. You have to deal with it because you want to unlock and sideload apps. That isn't a fault of WP7.
5. What is meant by "easy access"? I had been able to download a 1000+ page PDF doc and open in Adobe reader.
6. NO. Registry is not for you. If it was, MS would have built in a registry editor in WP7.
7. The pics I clicked were no different than the ones I clicked with Android. Yes, the shutter sound is irritating.
8. There is a YouTube app. No, two. One from HTC too.
9. I presume that it would be "fully" fixed as time goes by.
10. How many times would you want to use a $10 SD card in shared mode?
was going to write all that ^^ said but i dont think i could have done it any better.
You sound very bitter for someone trying to use software you dont have permission to use on a device that is unsupported, you clearly havent used the device much anyway and by the sounds of it you havent done very well with "cracking" it either because youtube is available on the marketplace or im sure if you look hard enough you will find some XAPs, is it Microsofts fault that you cant read instructions on some random website detailing step by step how to get this on your OLD HD2?
Please calm down take a brake and rename this thread because it is infact YOU that is creating confusion to people that might buy this OS.
Windows Phone 7 has had some storm of Missinformation and bad PR based on untruths and incompertance, you are feeding this with this utter nonsense
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was going to write all that ^^ said but i dont think i could have done it any better.
You sound very bitter for someone trying to use software you dont have permission to use on a device that is unsupported, you clearly havent used the device much anyway and by the sounds of it you havent done very well with "cracking" it either because youtube is available on the marketplace or im sure if you look hard enough you will find some XAPs, is it Microsofts fault that you cant read instructions on some random website detailing step by step how to get this on your OLD HD2?
Please calm down take a brake and rename this thread because it is infact YOU that is creating confusion to people that might buy this OS.
Windows Phone 7 has had some storm of Missinformation and bad PR based on untruths and incompertance, you are feeding this with this utter nonsense
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Agreed.
WP7 is VERY good for the first release of a new OS. I was seriously amazed by it. Can't wait for updates with multitasking and new features, and for when the homebrew community delves deeper in and we figure out more ways of customizing it.
Virtually all "lacks" of WP7 were officially known from the very beginning.
A disappointment is nothing else but a logical consequence if you start trying the new OS if you think it should have been "perfect" from scratch.
There are quite a few buyers of native WP7 devices with the same attitude, that´s something I completely don´t understand.
Considering the flawless port of WP7 to HD2, my first thoughts after installing WP7 were quite different: I never had any first release (of whatever OS on any smartphone I ever owned) which was even close to the smoothness and bugless functionality of WP7 on HD2. Yes, the camera app function is crappy, but then again, there is already an alternative solution from the devs.
We should be happy that thanks to devs, it was (and is) possible to run a trial on our current hardware for free - there is no other device on the market which has the power to offer the same.
I guess quite a few users will go for a native WP7 device sometime in the future, others will decide for Android, or iOS, whatever. But the good thing is, you can do it having had the chance to test over weeks or months.
And that´s the good thing about HD2: It will be my electronic companion for quite a few more months, most probably for a total of 2 years. No other smartphone was good for me for so much time ever before. My guess is that for the rest of the time, I will be doing more trials with Android and WP7, while WM 6.5 is a nice fallback solution.
Oh, and btw, Navigon Select runs nicely here. It is a basic version. The full one will only come during this summer, I was told by them.
Buy a supported device then come back and rewrite this post.
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You realize half your complaints have to do with you running WP7 on a non WP7 device?
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Yes,and I realise that HD2 is faster on WP7 than HD7
I think MS did a really good job with WP7.
Just think about how iOS and Android behaved first year on the market ?!?
I´m a strong beliver of Android (even a mod on forums), but WP7 really is interesting
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Yes,and I realise that HD2 is faster on WP7 than HD7
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But it doesn't run as good on the HD2... touchscreen doesn't work as well on hd2. Once the registry is known more and native devices start getting custom roms, it'll probably run faster on native phones.
tin2404 said:
Yes,and I realise that HD2 is faster on WP7 than HD7
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It's not just a matter of performance sir
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Buy a supported device then come back and rewrite this post.
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that's such a weak argument, is virtually the same thing.
I have not experienced anything on my HD2 that an HD7 wouldn't do exactly the same except at times multi-touch goes weird. Any of the custom ROMs have most issues solved and have the registry edits cooked in, so all you have to do is flash and enter your activation code, just as if you hard-reset a native WP7 device.
WP7 is nice and smooth and I like it and I'm very happy to be able to use it on my phone, but till Mango drops it does have some issues that are OS-wide that prevent me from using it as a total daily without booting into Android from SD at times. That's not a knock though, I'm amazed MS put together a product like this for a first release. After the Mango update we will have more apps, more games, more custom ROMs with probably ability to totally change the UI if we want.
and @ OPs opinion that:
Activation stuff from MS ( I do not wont and do not need to "activate" to somebody my allready expensive HD2 device).As I read on net,Microsoft will have new activation policy in next WP7 phone update,so,nether WP7 modded ROM would not be safe to install.
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what the hell does that even mean? you provide no evidence to this, just some nebulous claim that you "read on net." We all have activation keys and MS has no idea who has an HD7 or an HD2, so it's not like they can just stop allowing access to the Marketplace. They have been totally cool about giving us keys, but for some arbitrary reason will change that after an update? The HD2 crowd are buying apps and hyping up the OS, with seemingly no security issues at all, I haven't seen any pirated apps...
most of the OP's points are pretty worthless and flashing any of the custom ROMs eliminate any reg hacks or unlocking or anything.
orangekid said:
most of the OP's points are pretty worthless and flashing any of the custom ROMs eliminate any reg hacks or unlocking or anything.
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Completley agree, I was going to reply to OP and rip apart everything he has ignorantly moeaned abo9ut but everything has pretty much been said already.
I must admit im a firm follower of WM6.5 and i was very reluctant to change to WM7. Ive had WM7 on my HD2 now for 2 weeks and im really starting to get into it alot more. Now that i have activated marketplace with Microsoft (which by the way was an absolute piece of piss) ive got pretty much all the apps that i used on WM6.5 apart from my Garmin XT which i miss, but im sure someone in the coming months will sort it out. You should re-flash it back to your phone, Activate it and get used to syncing with Zune. You will get into it fella. Its mint.
Is possible change my O.S WP7.5 ..??? .. i like android.. please helpme !!
Bro, do you want a ferrari with lamborghini motor? Why? Maybe you should sell Omnia and buy a Galaxy S, but i can believe you bought a WP desiring putting android os, its a shame this...
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Is possible change my O.S WP7.5 ..??? .. i like android.. please helpme !!
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Go jump off a cliff. Please!
Or use your remaining single brain cell to realise maybe you should sell your Omnia7 and get an Android for whatever reason.
mmm
pLUSpISTOL said:
Go jump off a cliff. Please!
Or use your remaining single brain cell to realise maybe you should sell your Omnia7 and get an Android for whatever reason.
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... your brain need jump off a cliff... android is a linux distro.. and .. i believe.. can accommodate any cell-phones.. with work...
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... your brain need jump off a cliff... android is a linux distro.. and .. i believe.. can accommodate any cell-phones.. with work...
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Sorry dude but it's not even possible to boot Linux on WP7 handsets yet, let alone boot into a usable version of Android. It might happen in the future but it will take a very long time, drivers need to be developed and it does indeed take a lot of work - probably too much for the Omnia7.
If you really want to use Android, move to an Android handset good luck to ye.
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Sorry dude but it's not even possible to boot Linux on WP7 handsets yet, let alone boot into a usable version of Android. It might happen in the future but it will take a very long time, drivers need to be developed and it does indeed take a lot of work - probably too much for the Omnia7.
If you really want to use Android, move to an Android handset good luck to ye.
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ok.. thanks man.. i believe.. osama bin laden can helpme in this.
Lighten up....
Jeez..... I just came from a similar thread in the Development section asking the question about Android on the Omnia7.
This forum used to feel like a place to come to ask innocent questions and we used to get reasonable answers, whether the idea was possible or not.
Now we seem to have the school bullies, all grown up and becoming XDA Senior Members.
I too was caught up in the WP7 24 month contract fiasco with a Wndows7 phone (Omnia7) that's seen no movement from Microsoft for ages. I'd love to buy an Android top of the line phone (SS2), but £500 for an Android phone with a year to go on the WP7 contract? So it makes sense to ask about Android on the Omnia7, right?
I bought an Orange San Francisco 2, headed over to Modaco, an hour later I had an unlocked, unbranded, clean Android phone to use with my year left SIM on the WP7 provider. Not everyone can afford to do this. That's why they come to you.
I read a thread over at Modaco written by an ex-XDA developer who spoke of the vibe this site has now. I'm still a little shocked to find he/she was right.
If any of you feel self important enough, then flame away. For those of you that want answers to your questions without the brow beating, there are lots of other forums out there.
Peace
xpc21 said:
Bro, do you want a ferrari with lamborghini motor? Why? Maybe you should sell Omnia and buy a Galaxy S, but i can believe you bought a WP desiring putting android os, its a shame this...
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Why to shame...... See HD2.... It has an ICS update (unofficial)!
Its not necessary to have android update to every phone... But omnia has a goof hardware!!!
OutaDaDark said:
I too was caught up in the WP7 24 month contract fiasco with a Wndows7 phone (Omnia7) that's seen no movement from Microsoft for ages. I'd love to buy an Android top of the line phone (SS2), but £500 for an Android phone with a year to go on the WP7 contract? So it makes sense to ask about Android on the Omnia7, right?
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No, it doesn't make sense. You bought in to a closed platform, and granted you have a brain, you knew your contract would last for 24 months.
OutaDaDark said:
This forum used to feel like a place to come to ask innocent questions and we used to get reasonable answers, whether the idea was possible or not.
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The OP DID get a reasonable answer. Why in gods name would he buy Omnia if he wanted android, with Galaxy S available? It a pretty stupid thing to do, and pointing out the stupidity of that act is justified.
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I too was caught up in the WP7 24 month contract fiasco with a Windows7 phone (Omnia7) that's seen no movement from Microsoft for ages. I'd love to buy an Android top of the line phone (SS2), but £500 for an Android phone with a year to go on the WP7 contract? So it makes sense to ask about Android on the Omnia7, right?
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This whole paragraph makes no sense whatsoever. What are you trying to say? You can't upgrade a phone's hardware! And hw is not microsofts responsibility.
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If any of you feel self important enough, then flame away. For those of you that want answers to your questions without the brow beating, there are lots of other forums out there.
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The thing is, WP was NEVER number one i HW. Android was much further along all the time. People who buy WP do so because of the OS. Wanting than to change that OS is ridiculous. If you invest hundreds or thousands of dollars (counting subscriptions) in something, SOME beforehand information should be necessary, no?
Read the message, not between the lines......
irlju said:
No, it doesn't make sense. You bought in to a closed platform, and granted you have a brain, you knew your contract would last for 24 months.
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Of course I knew it was a 24 month contract!! But I didn't know it would go virtually unsupported by MS/Samsung!! I bought a Win7 phone mainly for work, when Android support for the ever evolving MSOffice format was shaky.
I had a Win6.1 HTC Touch Diamond2 a while ago, which, through THIS site, I was able to dual-boot with Android. With your attitude, would this be possible now??
'....and granted you have a brain', ..... yet another sarcastic throwaway bully irrelevance...
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d.a.v.o.r said:
The OP DID get a reasonable answer. Why in gods name would he buy Omnia if he wanted android, with Galaxy S available? It a pretty stupid thing to do, and pointing out the stupidity of that act is justified.
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... it's obvious from the OP's question, he didn't want Android when he bought the WP7 phone. Me personally, after moving from a relatively open Win6.1/6.5 system, I was shocked by the Apple style Win7 lockdown ....
This whole paragraph makes no sense whatsoever. What are you trying to say? You can't upgrade a phone's hardware! And hw is not microsofts responsibility.
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Where do you get this from?? READ THE MESSAGE!! This is nothing to do with phone hardware. I just knew there'd be someone to come to show me the way.
The thing is, WP was NEVER number one i HW. Android was much further along all the time. People who buy WP do so because of the OS. Wanting than to change that OS is ridiculous. If you invest hundreds or thousands of dollars (counting subscriptions) in something, SOME beforehand information should be necessary, no?
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THIS whole paragraph makes no sense whatsoever. As I said in a previous reply:
'I had a Win6.1 HTC Touch Diamond2 a while ago, which, through THIS site, I was able to dual-boot with Android. With your attitude, would this be possible now??'.....
Look, if you're as old as me, you'll remember the Cosworth engine. When the engine was first unveiled, every man & his dog, at least thought, about dropping a Cosworth engine into anything from a Mini to a MiniBus. Whether immediately evident or not, the possibility was explored, sometimes very successfully. Lots of nay sayers were proved wrong, then as now.....
I liken Android to that Cosworth engine. If the AMENABLE geniuses over at XDA Car Development held my hand, damn, I'd sure as hell give it a go, squeezing a Cosworth engine into my Skoda
So put down the gun, son. This ain't no fight, just someone asking a question or two...
Peace
WP is way more secure than Android or iOS is hence one of the reason it is so hard to put another OS on it on top of the need of individual drivers....you can't compare Windows Mobile(essential the Android of back in the day) and Windows Phone it was basically a total rewrite of the system and WP8 will do it again.
Underdog vs Overdog....
Understood chicagolive.
I think the OP thought, as do I, that most 'smartphones' nowadays are much like PCs. A base system built with the necessary hardware to drive it's peripherals (screen, keyboard, sound chips etc), that can be accessed by the OS installed in device RAM. In the case of a PC, though most machines seem to come with the mighty Microsoft OS, alternative OSs such as Linux, IBM OS2/Warp, Unix or even MacOS, in some form, can be readily installed.
This was the reason I became so intrigued by the XDA Community when I learned what these amazing hobbyists could do, often putting the original manufacturers efforts to shame, and all just because the possibility existed.
So to answer the OPs question:
"Is possible change my O.S WP7.5 ..??? .. i like android.. please helpme !! "
"Anything is possible. Whether a machine is popular enough to warrant the attention needed by our community of backroom geniuses is the issue."
To be given an answer:
"Go jump off a cliff. Please! Or use your remaining single brain cell to realise maybe you should sell your Omnia7 and get an Android for whatever reason."
.. on a site I've come to respect over the years, is downright rude, an answer obviously not given by any of the community that actually does the work required to realise the enormous possibilities of our devices.
... then again maybe it's just because I hate bullies.....
Keep up the great work XDA!!
Peace
ok
The reason I use the omnia 7 is because I gave it away .. I just wanted to see the possibility of changing the system to android, but apparently it is not possible .. okay .. as a human being has the ability to adapt .. I did a jailbreak and the system .. so all ok .. thanks anyway ..
i think is impossble