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Not another Froyo Post..

This isn't a rant or anything, or I won't try to make it one. But I just came across on Android Central that the Droid is getting 2.2.1.
Now this is just so depressing already that we have a phone that's been out for about 5 months now and haven't seen Froyo (only in Unoffical leaked builds). The Droid has been out far longer, I know that. But Samsung is really dragging their feet. Froyo offically, when it comes out, better knock our ****ing socks off or it was a waste of time to wait for them to deliver.
I'm just saying, this just makes Samsung look that much worse.
http://www.androidcentral.com/leaked-android-221-motorola-droid-frg83

so you complain about our leaked ROMs by posting about another phones LEAKED ROM?
Dude... just flash froyo. They are daily drivers and quit posting the same stuff.

The leaked FroYo build is knocking my socks off...
Just sayin'

s15274n said:
so you complain about our leaked ROMs by posting about another phones LEAKED ROM?
Dude... just flash froyo. They are daily drivers and quit posting the same stuff.
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I didn't mean to bash or knock it. There's nothing wrong with the builds, it'd be nice to have an official build though I guess..

Okay, but is it not ironic you started your non-rant post stating that the Droid was getting 2.1.1 and how it looks bad for Samsung, but you completely ignored the fact it ALSO was a leaked build?
Just let it die..

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Okay, but is it not ironic you started your non-rant post stating that the Droid was getting 2.1.1 and how it looks bad for Samsung, but you completely ignored the fact it ALSO was a leaked build?
Just let it die..
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K, I'm done.

presence06 said:
The Droid has been out far longer, I know that. But Samsung is really dragging their feet. Froyo offically, when it comes out, better knock our ****ing socks off or it was a waste of time to wait for them to deliver.
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There's really no debate that Samsung is WAY behind here. Yes. the Droid has been out way longer, but the Incredible and Droid X haven't and they've gotten Froyo a long time ago. Incredible got it around 8/30 and X around 9/21.
Assuming that Samsung does get it out this year, that puts them anywhere from 2-4 months behind the competition, depending on when they do finally release it.
That's really bad. Sure they didn't promise 2.2 at any particular time, but that doesn't mean I don't factor it in when making my next phone purchase. I hope everyone does. If not, it'll give the manufactures even more reason to withhold updates in the future and try to push new phones instead.

Just heard from Cyanogen's twitter that CM6 is finished for the G2. I'm sure the new my touch isn't far behind.
Depressing
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s15274n said:
Okay, but is it not ironic you started your non-rant post stating that the Droid was getting 2.1.1 and how it looks bad for Samsung, but you completely ignored the fact it ALSO was a leaked build?
Just let it die..
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Yeah, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that the Droid already HAS an official Froyo, and the leaked build is a second generation update.
The Vibrant does NOT have an official build, and the way it's going, the Droid X may have Gingerbread before we get an official Froyo build.
How can you even begin to defend Samsung?

Yes, it is "just" another Froyo post. +1 Ignore!
~SB

Geez, people, of course Samsung is going to be behind. Motorola's and HTC's phones all have the same OMAP and Snapdragon cores they've used from the first Droid and Nexus One. No wonder they've all gone to Froyo before Samsung.
How many phones used the Hummingbird before the Galaxy S line? None. But I'll bet you that future updates will come faster now they've got Froyo figured out.
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Kubernetes said:
Geez, people, of course Samsung is going to be behind. Motorola's and HTC's phones all have the same OMAP and Snapdragon cores they've used from the first Droid and Nexus One. No wonder they've all gone to Froyo before Samsung.
How many phones used the Hummingbird before the Galaxy S line? None. But I'll bet you that future updates will come faster now they've got Froyo figured out.
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LOL....
Strange reasoning, since Samsung developed the chip themselves, so they should know it better. Plus, they've had a long time to figure Froyo out. And still haven't, officially.

MacGuy2006 said:
LOL....
Strange reasoning, since Samsung developed the chip themselves, so they should know it better. Plus, they've had a long time to figure Froyo out. And still haven't, officially.
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Designing the chip and modifying the software to work with the hardware are two different things. Just because you know the hardware, doesn't mean it's easy to make the software work with it nicely.

Only thing wrong with these threads is they are always full of hearsay. Rarely anyone states fact, just opinion. Who says sammy is holding it back? The leak came from tmo right? this pessimistic view is what makes ppl always have that "omg I have froyo & I hate it, its not perfect.... I want gingerbread" mentality. Life lesson, you'll never be happy with this attitude.
I, myself, try to look at the recent events of the "rumoured nexus s" that engadget posted pics. If this does happen to grace the GS community think of how fast, far, & easily we may make it to 2.3! Im no tech & I may be way off, but id like to think that this would give us the OPEN "NEXUS" development base we'd need to achieve that level of vanilla android base w/ drivers, code & hopefully working gps ;j (minus the new chipset, obviously).
Just be glad that we do have devs who do what they can & hope that sammy doesn't do anything else to screw us. I will be hoping (but not holding my breathe) for a nexus $ gingerbread port.

DKYang said:
Designing the chip and modifying the software to work with the hardware are two different things. Just because you know the hardware, doesn't mean it's easy to make the software work with it nicely.
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Exactly. Remember that Froyo was actually built for the Snapdragon, whereas most of the GS hardware is unlike that seen in other previous phones.
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If theres a leaked froyo it means Samsung has fine their part. Its up to tmo to push it out.
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DKYang said:
Designing the chip and modifying the software to work with the hardware are two different things. Just because you know the hardware, doesn't mean it's easy to make the software work with it nicely.
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Apple doesn't seem to have any problems with doing this. Samsung is way bigger. They should have their crap together
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Tempestrs4 said:
Apple doesn't seem to have any problems with doing this. Samsung is way bigger. They should have their crap together
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Yey but we get to modify the crap out of one of the fastest phones with one of the best screens, and do whatever we want with it, thanks to some great sharing devs, to a device that's almost un- brickable.
Now thats fun!
Apple crapple, great form and simply reliable yet unbendable device to buy all things Apple dollars via only iTunes. No thanks. I'll take what Samsung doesn't have together.
Yes I've complained before but now I have learned a bit more and I have Froyo.
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How come none of the people that rant about not having an official Froyo release remember that 1. we have they best hardware of any phone out, I can't recall how many times I've heard owners of other phones complain that they've run out of room for their apps because they only have 2gb internal storage, and 2. this site is XDA Developers not XDA stock software release news. If you want to rant about the official release go over to the T-Mobile or Samsung forums and do it.
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12paq said:
Yey but we get to modify the crap out of one of the fastest phones with one of the best screens, and do whatever we want with it, thanks to some great sharing devs, to a device that's almost un- brickable.
Now thats fun!
Apple crapple, great form and simply reliable yet unbendable device to buy all things Apple dollars via only iTunes. No thanks. I'll take what Samsung doesn't have together.
Yes I've complained before but now I have learned a bit more and I have Froyo.
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The devs have no choice but to share. Voiding warranties is uncool for many of us.
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NEXUS S System Dump Leak!

Here is it the Nexus S system dump leak, would be awesome to have a port to HD2 of gingerbread 2.3 as soon as possible.
http://www.multiupload.com/EXBB1089TP

The nexus s probably won't be able to be ported to the hd2. It has completely different hardware and processor than the hd2. We can port nexus one and desire ports because they have similar hardware.
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zarathustrax said:
The nexus s probably won't be able to be ported to the hd2. It has completely different hardware and processor than the hd2. We can port nexus one and desire ports because they have similar hardware.
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incorrect my friend.
The Nexus S is AOSP and since source is released we will easily get a port, it's just a matter of re-writing drivers.
The Nexus S is just vanilla Gingerbread.
How did we get a Desire HD port, it's different from the HD2, Desire, or Nexus.
How about the MT4G ports? It runs an MSM and not a QSD. The only real difference is that the Nexus S runs on a hummingbird.
We're getting a freaking WP7 port and you're trying to tell me we won't get an AOSP 2.3 port?

Why do you guys argue with obvious newbs? Looking forward to a real port the sdk was garbage. Just sucks our phones are unable to display full 32 bit
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you can port any android build to this baby if devs put there mind to it

ax0r said:
Why do you guys argue with obvious newbs?
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good point. I had a free 10 second period so figured what the hell

zarathustrax said:
The nexus s probably won't be able to be ported to the hd2. It has completely different hardware and processor than the hd2. We can port nexus one and desire ports because they have similar hardware.
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The hardware software interface is managed by the kernel, which includes all of the drivers needed for our hardware. We already have a working kernel, the gingerbread build sits on top of the kernel. What hardware the galaxy S is not relevant. This will easily be ported to the HD2.

The only thing I want from gingerbread is that sick CRT-style wake and sleep animation. I'd even be happy with just that cooked onto a froyo build.

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Why do you guys argue with obvious newbs? Looking forward to a real port the sdk was garbage. Just sucks our phones are unable to display full 32 bit
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That's pretty ignorant to call me an obvious newb. You're right, I may have made an incorrect statement, but I think they still will probably wait for the nexus one to be updated with gingerbread, as it will be much simpler to port to our hd2s, and the n1 should be updated any day now.
I've been using pocket PC's and smartphones for almost 10 years. I've been using this site since 2006.... been flashing my phone's since early 2007. Just because I make a mistake does not make me a noob. And who is arguing? I made a statement. Thank you for correcting me, orangekid, even though you seemed to agree its a waste of time to correct a "obvious newb" like me. This site used to be a great, friendly site...
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zarathustrax said:
That's pretty ignorant to call me an obvious newb. You're right, I may have made an incorrect statement, but I think they still will probably wait for the nexus one to be updated with gingerbread, as it will be much simpler to port to our hd2s, and the n1 should be updated any day now.
I've been using pocket PC's and smartphones for almost 10 years. I've been using this site since 2006.... been flashing my phone's since early 2007. Just because I make a mistake does not make me a noob. And who is arguing? I made a statement. Thank you for correcting me, orangekid, even though you seemed to agree its a waste of time to correct a "obvious newb" like me. This site used to be a great, friendly site...
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Agree, everyone makes mistakes every now and then, that's no biggie.

WP7 on Epic 4g?

How likely is it that we may see some sort of dual boot, or rom that runs WP7 on our epic's? I know sammy made 1 or 2 wp7 phones, and I assume they use the same chipset as the galaxy s line?? Just thought it wuldbe neat to be able to do this. I think wp7 looks pretty cool....just not cool enough to switch from android. Lol
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Zor Omega said:
How likely is it that we may see some sort of dual boot, or rom that runs WP7 on our epic's? I know sammy made 1 or 2 wp7 phones, and I assume they use the same chipset as the galaxy s line?? Just thought it wuldbe neat to be able to do this. I think wp7 looks pretty cool....just not cool enough to switch from android. Lol
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mancard = revoked!!

Zor Omega said:
How likely is it that we may see some sort of dual boot, or rom that runs WP7 on our epic's? I know sammy made 1 or 2 wp7 phones, and I assume they use the same chipset as the galaxy s line?? Just thought it wuldbe neat to be able to do this. I think wp7 looks pretty cool....just not cool enough to switch from android. Lol
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I don't think anyone wants to work their ass off on a downgrade. Oh. Wait I forgot about Nokia.
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Zor Omega said:
How likely is it that we may see some sort of dual boot, or rom that runs WP7 on our epic's? I know sammy made 1 or 2 wp7 phones, and I assume they use the same chipset as the galaxy s line?? Just thought it wuldbe neat to be able to do this. I think wp7 looks pretty cool....just not cool enough to switch from android. Lol
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1) This has been asked around 5 times already
2) No its not the same stuff..WP7 version uses a 1st gen snapdragon as its the only allowed cpu at this point, we have a hummingbird cpu
3) No one is going to develop is cause M$ will sue them to next millennium...Android is ported to other phones cause its open source..WP7 is not...and they let HD2 slide because they still make money on winmo licenses..on Android phone they make no money off you..so they'll sue you to next millennium...

what he said... just use this.. http://www.appbrain.com/app/windows-phone-android/com.androidtechnical.wp7pro lol

WP7 sucks Android > wp7
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Sorry bro, you'd be better off sticking to a GSM network and owning multiple handsets if you want to do that.
A) aside from the CPU issue, WP7 still isn't out with CDMA support yet, and
B) even if it were possible, the android community would be hard pressed to pull it off largely out of mindset. Nothing is more important than free choice--as long as you choose open.
Remember, modern tech is more about elitism and team sports (us vs. them) than an unbiased love to tinker. Welcome.
/as much as I dig Android, the exclusionary mindset of its userbase just might drive me away some day
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The biggest hurdle that I see is that WP7 is a closed-source system. Getting Android to run on a device is considerable easier because all it takes is getting a Linux kernel to boot on a device then getting the JVM to boot the actual software. Linux is open source. AOSP is, well, open source. So, at that point, it's just an understanding of the hardware and how to get the kernel to play nice with it.
This is completely different with WP7. We don't have kernels to play with. It would involve reverse-engineering and redistributing closed-source, proprietary, licensed software... which is, obviously, illegal. And no small task, to boot.
I wouldn't mind having a WP7 device just to see what it's about, but this device isn't it.

Yeah I forgot about the whole closed source proprietary thing...and mircsofts lawyers. Lol. I knew the snapdragon was their baseline but wasn't sure what chips sammy was usng for their wp7 phones. It was just a thought. I haven't used a wp7 device, I just think the ui looks pretty neat. But I guess you can accomplish close to the same thing with themed launchers. I still can't decide if the whole open source, do what you want is a good thing for android or what will eventually turn people away from it.
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No Sense 3.0 for Evo, other older devices (updated)

UPDATE: HTC made a clarification on their twitter acct. See this post for the txt, or go visit The Twitter Post -- thanks Bioxoxide for the heads up.
This shouldn't be shocking to anyone....... but:
From Engadget (link: http://engt.co/eX1niG )
"Unfortunate news for anyone who saw HTC's Sense 3.0 UI and started dreaming about seeing it on their Desire HD, Incredible S or any other handset that doesn't ship with it preloaded. HTC has said that because of the hardware requirements of the fancier new Android skin, only the dual-core Sensation 4G and EVO 3D smartphones and the 1.5GHz Flyer tablet will be benefiting from it for now."
Guess we will continue to have to rely on our Devs until they all jump ship like on the HeroC.

sirmx said:
This shouldn't be shocking to anyone....... but:
From Engadget (link: http://engt.co/eX1niG )
"Unfortunate news for anyone who saw HTC's Sense 3.0 UI and started dreaming about seeing it on their Desire HD, Incredible S or any other handset that doesn't ship with it preloaded. HTC has said that because of the hardware requirements of the fancier new Android skin, only the dual-core Sensation 4G and EVO 3D smartphones and the 1.5GHz Flyer tablet will be benefiting from it for now."
Guess we will continue to have to rely on our Devs until they all jump ship like on the HeroC.
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not surprised about this

Might be that the launcher is GPU accelerated and was made specifically for the adreno 220.
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Good thing I no longer use sense!
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Just read this myself. It's actually a little upsetting, as I do like sense. Oh well =(

I can understand why they're doing this. Even though the Evo might be able to run it, if its laggy, casual users will be complaining like crazy. Then they'll run into a situation like Apple did when they stripped features for the iPhone 3g, but it was still almost unusable.
Btw, sorry if I offended anyone by mentioning the "A-word", haha
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Oh well ill be enjoying the new Sense on my new EVO 3D
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No bigs and totally expected.

not a prob to me..thx to ROOT. its gonna get ported probabaly anyways. if not well then ..its whatever.

It sucks for thunderbolt users tho, I read this article earlier and sent it to my friend to cancel his contract with Verizon before the 30 days
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Update from HTC
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Clarification: aspects of the latest HTC Sense won’t work on some previous devices. We are working to incorporate other aspects that will.

This isn't a shocker for me...there will probably be some ported version of Sense 3.0 but I doubt it'll run well. I'm completely fine without it.

I see this as bad this just means that the new sense is probly big bulky and poorly coded or they are lying and its not hardwear and they just want sense 3.0 to be a feature of newer devices to make them more appealing... I saw nothing in any video preview that looked like it needed a dual core... and I see no reason why adreno 200 wouldn't handle the 3d carousel thing
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Update from HTC
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We are working to incorporate other aspects that will.
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Where did you get/hear this part of your info?

stimpyshaun said:
I see this as bad this just means that the new sense is probly big bulky and poorly coded or they are lying and its not hardwear and they just want sense 3.0 to be a feature of newer devices to make them more appealing... I saw nothing in any video preview that looked like it needed a dual core... and I see no reason why adreno 200 wouldn't handle the 3d carousel thing
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lol... try stock sense rom then come back.
Slow as could be.

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Where did you get/hear this part of your info?
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HTC's Twitter
http://twitter.com/#!/htc

This sux..

Ain't no thang gonna get me an evo 3D anyways come...... whenever it comes out
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Is the Evo the most popular Android smartphone ever?

Strangely enough I still see a ton of people use the Evo 4G more so than ever even after this phone has been around for over a year now and really not too many Photons, Evo 3D's, or Epic 4G Touches. What makes our phone one of the most ubitiquous?

It would be if it sold on more carriers i bet. It was a revolution when it came out so it sold alot and continued doing well afte a price drop. Sadly im guess it will fade out when peoples upgrades come around since the evo isnt even 2 years old yet.

When the evo came it was was THE powerhouse. Now, most of the phones that come out are just dual core 1.2GHz something. Take away the second core, and you have an Evo. The Evo can still most things as the newer phones, just 'technically' slower. So like some games/apps may not work because they were optimized for dual core performance. I mean you can tether, wifi, 3g/4g...everything else the newer phone are doing, with the NFC only on the nexus. That's why most people are holding out on the evo.

It's because of XDA that the EVO is still holding strong

I believe Evo has the strongest dev community of any phone, and certainly the most longevity. It deserves it - it's the 1st superphone.

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I believe Evo has the strongest dev community of any phone, and certainly the most longevity. It deserves it - it's the 1st superphone.
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That's a fact...go look at any other of the XDA forums for other phones...none have as much going on there as far as active members, devs and posts and threads still being made. We have at least 10 threads with over 1 million plus views and some with over 2 million, most others only have a couple with a few hundred thousand views. The Evo has one hell of a community, something I will for sure miss whenever I jump to another phone next year when my contract runs out.

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It's because of XDA that the EVO is still holding strong
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ECrispy said:
I believe Evo has the strongest dev community of any phone, and certainly the most longevity. It deserves it - it's the 1st superphone.
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Search Google for XDA and the evo forum is still on of the top returns BIG THANKS TO THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!!!! Developers and users and even the lurkers. Thank you and keep doing what you do! except the lurkers! you would be suprised that you might be able to help someone just be respectful and share you own experience with roms and apps etc

I still enjoy my evo and with the releases of ics I will be content for a while longer. Though there are stronger phones now, the evo 4g hold it own. The devs are amazing here.
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Wish I could get a 1.5 ghz dual...no no quadcore evo
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I'm holding out for a while as well, still find plenty of use with my EVO.
Even when I upgrade, I don't know if I could sell it.
It holds a certain sentimental value now as my first smartphone and Android device

We'll all eventually move on but you NEVER forget your first....

Even with other "better" phones out I still think the evo is the best. And btw anyone else feel like if they kept the design the same and just suped up the specs of this phone (no gay ass 3d) and put in quad core 1gb of ram (the works) maybe slim it a little it would be the absolute best phone ever?
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PhxkinMassacre said:
Even with other "better" phones out I still think the evo is the best. And btw anyone else feel like if they kept the design the same and just suped up the specs of this phone (no gay ass 3d) and put in quad core 1gb of ram (the works) maybe slim it a little it would be the absolute best phone ever?
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And ditch Sense I guess that won't matter I would just root it and flash Decks and then Yes
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jayshocka said:
And ditch Sense I guess that won't matter I would just root it and flash Decks and then Yes
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jayshocka said:
And ditch Sense I guess that won't matter I would just root it and flash Decks and then Yes
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Attaboy. AOSP > Sense all day everyday
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To me, I have compared my Rooted Evo to newer current phones and mines do the same thing. Still 8megpx camera, now with the newer twicks,panorama ect.
My 4G gives me steady 7 to 9mbps. I am running mix sense, and Gingerbread.
So. the way it is my phone is still good until August 2012 when my upgrade
Now also, with this app called " Jeannie" is just as good as the SIRI that the Iphone has. Now. we all know Iphone is not a match with a rooted EVO but that SIRI is cool. Jeannie is same if not better.
I have all apps that I need and still have over 160mp of free space of internal memory and over 4GB on the sd card. SO? what else I need?
IM sure, August 2012, the newer EVO then will be a Quad Core beast with camera of 10megapix and way much more...until then My EVO Rocks!!