Why not putting all these phones into 1 Section?
They all have Touchwiz, same updates, software.
I see no reason why there are 3 different sections on these phones.
exactly
we raised the same concerns here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723076
see the last 10 message
They each have slightly modified ROM's. Also hardware is also different among them.
It makes things less complicated for users of the devices. For developers it may be a pain though. I'm going to say there are more users here than developers.
it just the camera changes, and button changes
no major hardware changes AFAIK
software works just the same
the only thing to be careful about is to label the roms properly for each of those
but the forums should defnitely be together instead of split apart
Well two of them are GSM, while the Fascinate is a CDMA version, it adds a camera flash, but I am not sure if it lost the 16gb of built in space like the Epic variant has.
well at least the I9000 series, plus the 2 GSM variant from USA should be all in one forum
then have another section for the CDMA version of the SGS
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It makes things less complicated for users of the devices.
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100% disagree. As a user of one of these devices, I find it an enormous pain in the backside, because every day i have to check 12 forum boards instead of 3, because people post things in one board but not the other, all the time.
99%+ of the stuff in the boards is useful for all phone variants.
brunes said:
100% disagree. As a user of one of these devices, I find it an enormous pain in the backside, because every day i have to check 12 forum boards instead of 3, because people post things in one board but not the other, all the time.
99%+ of the stuff in the boards is useful for all phone variants.
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agreed, its annoying
i'd rather deal with some people forgetting to specify their phone derivative than checking 4x3 forums
100% merge these catergories, its very annoying that the phones are getting split up, when so similar.
why not even merge the general, themes and apps sections, all that will be the same.
mayb just have 1 dev forum for each, but still under the same catergory.
please?
It's really annoying to check 3 forums instead of 1.
Most people don't even know that the most things are even compatible for the other versions!
Are the roms completely compatible with one another though?
They're slightly different, but that is just a matter of labeling them correctly.
This reminds me very much of the G1 and Magic forums, as someone mentioned. The G1 was where most development was happening and it had a separate forum. Magic 32A and 32B were in a separate forum of their own, despite the fact that majority of G1 ROMs worked fine on a 32B Magic (exactly the same hardware, the only difference was the absence of hw keyboard on 32B) and, on the other hand, 32B/G1 ROMs needed some adjusting to be used on 32A. It was a total chaos and, as a result, 32B people were using G1 forums for the most part as well and the Magic forum became almost exclusive 32A forum, which suffered greatly from the fact that even though 32A differs very little, most of the development is happening somewhere else. It was quite sad to look at.
And now the same thing is already happening here. We have to check 12 forums instead of three (which I believe many of us simply don't do as it's annoyingly time consuming, so the development for I9000 suffers). Most of the development is carried on in the Vibrant forum and the international I9000 forums are already showing the signs of "going the 32A way", even though 99 % of the ROMs for I9000 will be/is the same as for the Vibrant...
andrewluecke said:
Are the roms completely compatible with one another though?
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mostly yes across GSM
except for CDMA models
which of the 2 vibrant?
i9000m or SGH-T959 ?
because i9000m works fine with i9000 ROMs and vice versa
Case_ said:
They're slightly different, but that is just a matter of labeling them correctly.
This reminds me very much of the G1 and Magic forums, as someone mentioned. The G1 was where most development was happening and it had a separate forum. Magic 32A and 32B were in a separate forum of their own, despite the fact that majority of G1 ROMs worked fine on a 32B Magic (exactly the same hardware, the only difference was the absence of hw keyboard on 32B) and, on the other hand, 32B/G1 ROMs needed some adjusting to be used on 32A. It was a total chaos and, as a result, 32B people were using G1 forums for the most part as well and the Magic forum became almost exclusive 32A forum, which suffered greatly from the fact that even though 32A differs very little, most of the development is happening somewhere else. It was quite sad to look at.
And now the same thing is already happening here. We have to check 12 forums instead of three (which I believe many of us simply don't do as it's annoyingly time consuming, so the development for I9000 suffers). Most of the development is carried on in the Vibrant forum and the international I9000 forums are already showing the signs of "going the 32A way", even though 99 % of the ROMs for I9000 will be/is the same as for the Vibrant...
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At least merge the Accessories sections...
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At least merge the Accessories sections...
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1000% agree
General, Accessories also Themes and Apps sections can be merged
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which of the 2 vibrant?
i9000m or SGH-T959 ?
because i9000m works fine with i9000 ROMs and vice versa
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You know, you could use the Google you forced me to use to answer you to check if Vibrant really is SGH-T959 yourself (I knew it's not I9000M, but apart from that...). So yes, it's SGH-T959.
And saying that I9000M ROM work fine with I9000 and vice versa is a bit inaccurate - there are differences in the radio, so if I flash I9000M ROM on my I9000, I lose 3G. Easy to rectify, yes, but the difference in ROM is there.
Ideally the re-organized forum should look like this:
- Samsung Galaxy S
- - Galaxy S General
- - Galaxy S Android Development
- - - Galaxy S GT-I9000 Brazil
- - - Galaxy S GT-I9000 International
- - - Galaxy S GT-I9000M Vibrant
- - - Galaxy S I909 China
- - - Galaxy S (model ID) Epic 4G
- - - Galaxy S (model ID) Fascinate
- - - Galaxy S SGH-i897 Captivate
- - - Galaxy S SGH-T959 Vibrant
- - - Galaxy S SHW-M110S Korea
- - Galaxy S Accessories
- - Galaxy S Themes and Apps
Word. Just do it like AllGamer suggests.
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Agreed. Anything phone-specific can go in the subforum for that phone, but if "Android Development" is a forum itself then it could be used for anything generic to the whole series.
I was against splitting the forums to this extent before, and have come from the Touch Pro, which shared its forum with the AT&T version (the Fuze). These had some minor differences, with the Fuze having a different keyboard layout and lacking a front-facing camera, but generally shared ROMs - usually a keyboard layout changer application was included.
I fear that having the forums so separate makes development slower and more insular, and creates the impression that these devices are very different, when they're actually very similar.
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with the EVo coming out and it being a droid phone..
what are the chances of some one cooking up a fully droid HD2??
bonez537 said:
with the EVo coming out and it being a droid phone..
what are the chances of some one cooking up a fully droid HD2??
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Dude please search prior to starting a new thread..There are plenty already discussing this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651632
and here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656514
The evo uses a different touch sensor and other different hardware so the ROM which we already have shouldn't help much if any. But check out that linux project first link.
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with the EVo coming out and it being a droid phone..
what are the chances of some one cooking up a fully droid HD2??
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2.13 ROM and Cookies Home Tab makes the HD2 have everything that Android has and more... I'm still trying to understand why everyone is on Android's nuts. It get's unstable, it crashes and most of the 50000 apps are garbage.
So what is the point really? Winmo is way more versatile. You just have to be somewhat intelligent to tweak it to it's full potential and maintain. I love window's mobile.
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2.13 ROM and Cookies Home Tab makes the HD2 have everything that Android has and more... I'm still trying to understand why everyone is on Android's nuts. It get's unstable, it crashes and most of the 50000 apps are garbage.
So what is the point really? Winmo is way more versatile. You just have to be somewhat intelligent to tweak it to it's full potential and maintain. I love window's mobile.
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because Android is the new iPhone.
My grandma has an iphone and my grandpa has an android phone... WinMo FTW.
rickyoon.vegas said:
because Android is the new iPhone.
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overheard in the office:
"Oh no, it's not a G1, it's a Google G3"
"No it doesn't use SIMs, it's an Apple phone"
you don't you dare correct them either...
crisisinthecity said:
2.13 ROM and Cookies Home Tab makes the HD2 have everything that Android has and more... I'm still trying to understand why everyone is on Android's nuts. It get's unstable, it crashes and most of the 50000 apps are garbage.
So what is the point really? Winmo is way more versatile. You just have to be somewhat intelligent to tweak it to it's full potential and maintain. I love window's mobile.
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rickyoon.vegas said:
because Android is the new iPhone.
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crisisinthecity said:
My grandma has an iphone and my grandpa has an android phone... WinMo FTW.
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You guys have not used an Android phone before, and it shows ;-) Android is flat out EPIC.
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You guys have not used an Android phone before, and it shows ;-) Android is flat out EPIC.
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Thats were you are wrong, why would you assume that? I myself got the G1 2 weeks before it came out, had a mytouch 3g, GSM hero, nexus 1... blah blah blah.. and all the phones had the same headachs and got old quick. Used to flash custom roms every day on all the phones. I do love my hd2 more than any android phone ever! Running UNIQ black 2.3 rom and it never ever crashes or freezes. Android is not "epic" it's a good OS that is highly overrated and now people act like it's new and awesome when i've been with it since Day 1.. I personally feel every single OS has it's up's and downs but they are right, android is turning into the iphone as far as the people it attracts.
i love android and i'm starting to love win mo 6.5. both have their stability issues (freezing issues with my older dash and some here with the hd2 vs. the force closing issues with two of my rooted android htc phones).
i'm not gonna hate on either one but android is the future right now since it's continuing to update and get better as the years go by while windows will move on to a more closed platform in win mo 7. however, thanks to guys here at xda for keeping win mo alive. love the tweakability and customization options. i can already do stuff with a stock win mo 6.5 device as i can a rooted android phone e.g., playing flash vids, saving apps to sd card, overclocking, etc. however, stock android OS is beginning to add such customizations with the Froyo update and forthcoming Gingerbread update.
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Dude please search prior to starting a new thread..There are plenty already discussing this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651632
and here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656514
The evo uses a different touch sensor and other different hardware so the ROM which we already have shouldn't help much if any. But check out that linux project first link.
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First of all i figured it would be a newer conversation seeing that the EVO just came out and is running on droid...
im sure that there are other conversations about it.. but i wanted to start one relevant to yesterday.. not several months ago..
THANKS
idc, i just want live wallpapers like the nexus one, that would be the only reason why i want the android platform
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First of all i figured it would be a newer conversation seeing that the EVO just came out and is running on droid...
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It drives me nuts when people do this. It is Android! The "droid" is the Motorola phone that Verizon has advertised like crazy and now anytime someone that doesn't know what they are really talking about always reference the Android OS as "droid." Either do just a little more research on the subject or quit being lazy and call it what it is. Just sounds ignorant.
bonez537 said:
First of all i figured it would be a newer conversation seeing that the EVO just came out and is running on droid...
im sure that there are other conversations about it.. but i wanted to start one relevant to yesterday.. not several months ago..
THANKS
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If you had done a search, you would have seen that the same subject was posted a couple of weeks ago when Google handed the Evo out at Google I/O to 5000 developers. Is that relevant enough for you?
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You guys have not used an Android phone before, and it shows ;-) Android is flat out EPIC.
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I've got a G1 dude... It's cool, but it's nothing special... It's for people who are only smart enough to install programs and remove programs... Which is fine. Whatever. I didn't say Android wasn't a good operating system.
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I've got a G1 dude... It's cool, but it's nothing special... It's for people who are only smart enough to install programs and remove programs... Which is fine. Whatever. I didn't say Android wasn't a good operating system.
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I have to disagree with you on this. Even the rooting process for the G1 is 10x more complex then hacking the HD2. Don't get me wrong I love my HD2 for the hardware... the software on the other hand is 3rd rate. I mean there isn't even a halfway descent photo editor, and don't even get me stated on the lack of any fully functional email app. I have use the browser for everything. Guess you have to take the good with the bad. But back on topic. My sister-in-law got the EVO yesterday and I helped her set it up. I have to say that I am really impressed with it. But I am not giving up on the HD2 quite yet.
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i love android and i'm starting to love win mo 6.5. both have their stability issues (freezing issues with my older dash and some here with the hd2 vs. the force closing issues with two of my rooted android htc phones).
i'm not gonna hate on either one but android is the future right now since it's continuing to update and get better as the years go by while windows will move on to a more closed platform in win mo 7. however, thanks to guys here at xda for keeping win mo alive. love the tweakability and customization options. i can already do stuff with a stock win mo 6.5 device as i can a rooted android phone e.g., playing flash vids, saving apps to sd card, overclocking, etc. however, stock android OS is beginning to add such customizations with the Froyo update and forthcoming Gingerbread update.
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Flash player for HD2? how do i get that, that i really need.
I really like both. Had 2x G1's a MyTouch and now have as my work phone a HTC Incredible.
I just upgraded my personal phone to the HD2 and quite skeptic at first as I havent had a winmo phone since the TMO Dash. With Sense, I like winmo now. Running energy ROM and its running great so far. Yea, its a little more deep in regards to the file systems and such. May confuse the everyday user. But, they both are great OS's. I think the android is a little easier to use for the non-tech savy person.
I like having both. The incredible is a FAST android phone with sense running flawlessly...Finally. Im just looking forward to win7 phone OS though and the hopeful port to the HD2.
With all the current hardware; snapdragons, large screens, and mem. I think performance and spped is no longer the issue. Its a matter of opinion on which OS is right for you
Oh, and risky i have flash on both the incredible and HD2...Incredible runs flash way better.
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Flash player for HD2? how do i get that, that i really need.
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Get this:
http://www.opera.com/mobile/download/
Or read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=544770
What it really boils down to is that t-mobile needs to get some decent phones other than the mytouch 3g slide or the nexus 1. I believe the next thing close to the hd2 is the touch pro2 .
A lot of people got bargins on Hd2's and thats why they have them.
I for one bought the hd2 in hopes that Android could be ported.
Difference is I have not once asked if it could be done. I have only searched the forums and read the millions of post asking could it be done based on the incredible or the evo .
I like parts of winmo.It really just doesnt seem like the app development is as explosive as android.
I will not give up my 4.3 inch screen!
And for those of you suggesting that someone just randomly switch.. remember this, not everyone can just up and switch.
As far as t-mobile is concerned,
The g1 is old and dated and the mytouch 3g was almost the same hardware.
the mytouch 3g slide isnt much better and the nexus 1 cant be gotten on contract .
Hey All,
Need your help with something. Not only is there the Euro version of the Galaxy S, but soon there will be the Sprint Epic, T-Mobile Vibrant, AT&T Captivate, and Verizon Fascinate. All of these are Galaxy S phones, but the development will vary a bit from device to device.
How should we handle this at XDA? Should we have multiple (separate) forums for all five devices? Or should we just have sub-forums under this Galaxy S main forum? Please vote!
More specifically:
Option 1........
Samsung Galaxy S
- Galaxy S General
- Galaxy S Acessories
- Galaxy S Android Development
- Sprint Epic Android Development
- T-Mobile Vibrant Android Development
- AT&T Captivate Android Development
- Verizon Fascinate Android Development
- Galaxy S Themes and Apps
Option 2........
Samsung Galaxy S
- Galaxy S General
- Galaxy S Acessories
- Galaxy S Android Development
- Galaxy S Themes and Apps
Sprint Epic
- Epic General
- Epic Acessories
- Epic Android Development
- Epic Themes and Apps
AT&T Captivate
- Captivate General
- Captivate Acessories
- Captivate Android Development
- Captivate Themes and Apps
Verizon Fascinate
- Fascinate General
- Fascinate Acessories
- Fascinate Android Development
- Fascinate Themes and Apps
T-Mobile Vibrant
- Vibrant General
- Vibrant Acessories
- Vibrant Android Development
- Vibrant Themes and Apps
has to be option 2.
Otherwise the place will become 'flooded' and 'cluttered' and the same questions being answered many times.
Also it will be difficult to help people in different regions and who have different firmware etc
Definitely Option 2.
I don't think there's a need to even split the development forums.
As i see it, "Galaxy S" is a platform. The hardware for all the devices is 99% similar, with the exception of keyboards.
I'm thinking more like-
- Galaxy S General
- Galaxy S Acessories
- Galaxy S Android Development
- Galaxy S Keyboard devices Android Development
- Galaxy S Themes and Apps
If it turns out that the devices will actually be pretty different, i support option 1.
Let's keep it as a big happy family, no need for splits.
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I don't think there's a need to even split the development forums.
As i see it, "Galaxy S" is a platform. The hardware for all the devices is 99% similar, with the exception of keyboards.
I'm thinking more like-
- Galaxy S General
- Galaxy S Acessories
- Galaxy S Android Development
- Galaxy S Keyboard devices Android Development
- Galaxy S Themes and Apps
If it turns out that the devices will actually be pretty different, i support option 1.
Let's keep it as a big happy family, no need for splits.
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They are very similar, but the AT&T and T-Mobile versions are GSM, whereas the Sprint and VZW versions are CDMA, two totally different technologies.
I'm going to have to go with option 2. Not only will it become cluttered, but do we know yet just how similar the devices are? Like someone already mentioned, there will be GSM & CDMA models. But on top of that, the software might still be just different enough...
They are very similar, but the AT&T and T-Mobile versions are GSM, whereas the Sprint and VZW versions are CDMA, two totally different technologies.
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my point exactly.
option 2 makes the most sense
Am i missing something? Option 2 is the most cluttered one with 5 different forums for the same thing. The development forums need to be separate, but why have 5 different general, accessories, and themes/apps forums? The phones aren't that much different.
Split gsm and cdma like ya did with Hero. Makes sense to me.
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They are very similar, but the AT&T and T-Mobile versions are GSM, whereas the Sprint and VZW versions are CDMA, two totally different technologies.
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Then splitting GSM and CDMA should be more than enough.
Option 2
Vince
theyre all so similar, just do Option 1, i dont want to have to go back and forth between 5 different threads to find an answer.. add if we ask a question, we wont hit all the users, wed have to ask in 5 different general sections.
Has to be option 1, they are similar phones with a few cosmetic difference but as people have said may all be different to develop for, so specific development forums would be the best way.
Option 2 makes sense!
The phones are too different to keep in the same place. They are all different shapes, one has a keyboard, two are CDMA but two are GSM, some have flashes, they have different bands... they are different phones. Someone said we don't need separate general/accessories forums, but there do need to be AT LEAST different accessories forums.
option 2.
I'll want roms with sprint specific content and keyboard features.
Keep each separate.
Option 1. Otherwise there'll be so much duplication that everyone will miss out on the collective benefit of having all the best devs and support people working together.
Pika007 said:
I don't think there's a need to even split the development forums.
As i see it, "Galaxy S" is a platform. The hardware for all the devices is 99% similar, with the exception of keyboards.
I'm thinking more like-
- Galaxy S General
- Galaxy S Acessories
- Galaxy S Android Development
- Galaxy S Keyboard devices Android Development
- Galaxy S Themes and Apps
If it turns out that the devices will actually be pretty different, i support option 1.
Let's keep it as a big happy family, no need for splits.
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i agree with this.
Option 1 is the best. Even with keyboard and CDMA vs GSM the phones are similar enough that general questions will overlap. Just like the forums for other HTC devices (Topaz/Touch Diamond 2/Pure for example).
The accessories issue could be solved if posters are generous enough to use something like [Galaxy S], [Captivate], etc. in front of the post. Of course, that won't work well if the phones prove to be popular, then different forums for CDMA, GSM, and/or accessories may be needed.
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Then splitting GSM and CDMA should be more than enough.
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i agree
Option 2 is to much of a good thing i think. Like others said, the difference is minimal, so my opinion is just add more categories where it's needed. Makes it easier for the knowledgable people to reply to problems which may have already been answered.
It will be funny when the epic *****ing starts when the noobs flash a gsm rom to their cdma device and end up with a paper weight.
I've been talking to svetius, the admin responsible for "User Experience" at XDA, and apparently the G2 and Desire Z forums are going to be merged very soon now.
So this is just a heads-up for everyone to expect this.
I think it's going to be a very very good thing, because after all the G2 and DZ are essentially the same phones and run the same custom ROMs, so it will be good to have everything in one place. I think it will also encourage people who develop things to check how they work on both the G2 and DZ.
I've no idea how existing threads are going to be handled, but I'm sure the mods have it all in hand.
So soon, we're going to be sharing a single audience, and G2's and DZ's have their own different stock ROMs (e.g. HTC Sense on the DZ, just for a start). So when we post up about a basic problem with out phones, it's going to make it even more important to say which phone/ROM we have !
Must be a good thing. A lot of people may think that they are completely different phones.
What it will do is reduce duplication and "walking distance" by keeping everything applicable in the same place.
The phones aren't "basically" the same, they are IDENTICAL. And don't say "frequency", because there are more than two sets of frequencies available on them despite having ONLY 2 common named.
sounds like a good idea to me
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What it will do is reduce duplication and "walking distance" by keeping everything applicable in the same place.
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Agreed. It's silly re-inventing the wheel for the DZ and G2 forums.
The phones aren't "basically" the same, they are IDENTICAL. And don't say "frequency", because there are more than two sets of frequencies available on them despite having ONLY 2 common named.
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Well, to be fair, they're not identical, because they have different HBOOT, different partitioning (very small difference), and different keyboard layouts.
But all those are minor issues - we don't need to mess with HBOOT now we've got gfree, so that counts out the first issue. The second issue is I think only one for a stock ROM. And the third issue is a very common one on all phones, they usually are made with different keyboard layouts for different regions, and custom ROMs should be able to handle this by add-on keymaps, or even better, options to switch keyboard layout.
Sounds like a good idea to me. Gives assistance on both ends from knowledgeable users on both ends of the field. +1.
[G2/HTC Vision]
Great thinking. Right now it is like making a hospital for each person, based on their surnames. Lol.
****, i came from the TP2 section.. there are many different iterations of it (US=4-6 models because of US carriers -- Euro=5+ because of the different country languages).. many of them use different keyboard layouts.. but there was a quick fix by installing a keyboard fix .cab file (which i always had to use for my TmoUSA TP2 layout to fix the ALT key and the HOME button) since Cookers mainly used one ROM language & layout, which is WWE (world wide English).
but anyways, this shouldn't be a problem really, even tho the internals are a bit different.
Please tell me which you prefer:
1. Full Merge
Four forums (the usuals) for both the G2 and DZ
2. Dev Merge
Merge DZ with G2 dev forum, delete DZ dev forum (which will have zero threads). Keep individual G2/DZ forums for general, accessories, themes and apps.
svetius said:
Please tell me which you prefer:
1. Full Merge
Four forums (the usuals) for both the G2 and DZ
2. Dev Merge
Merge DZ with G2 dev forum, delete DZ dev forum (which will have zero threads). Keep individual G2/DZ forums for general, accessories, themes and apps.
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It seems that their the only subsection which actually gets heavy usage is the General Forum. The rest is very very dead. I suggest a full merge of the all but the General Forum section. Most of their users are on the sense rom and most of ours are on the froyo stock. I think a full merge of the General forums will only produce confusion for the noods and make it harder for any order to come about. Perhaps we can leave the two general forums separated for now and slowly see if the amount of traffic will change on its own favoring one side. If so, one can be killed.
Link to Desire Z forums: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=756
I feel a full merge would be more beneficial and less complicated...just my 2¢
Hmmm,... That does sound better than a full merge. General Desire Z, General G2, Q&A?, Accessories, Dev, Themes/Apps, .... all under HTC Vision.
I'll edit my reply at our end too.
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Just my opinion of course, and I respect everyone else's too, but aren't there a lot more "General" issues in common with both phones than unique ones ?
ddotpatel said:
Hmmm,... That does sound better than a full merge. General Desire Z, General G2, Q&A?, Accessories, Dev, Themes/Apps, .... all under HTC Vision.
I'll edit my reply at our end too.
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Yeah, just like that. All their other Desire Z section is super slow.
Full merge
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Please tell me which you prefer:
1. Full Merge
Four forums (the usuals) for both the G2 and DZ
2. Dev Merge
Merge DZ with G2 dev forum, delete DZ dev forum (which will have zero threads). Keep individual G2/DZ forums for general, accessories, themes and apps.
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I don't know if this is a good idea... people will be bricking phones left and right. For example, the Magic and the Wizard. The wizard has a G4 board and a G3 board. Caused a lot of bricks before they were seperated. The Magic has a 32a and 32b... never seperated and still causes bricks because of different SPLs. They should have been seperated. The G2/Desire Z have different bootloaders and a completely different framework. This could cause more trouble than convience. I still think the Magic should be seperated into 32a and 32b dev sections...
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I don't know if this is a good idea... people will be bricking phones left and right. For example, the Magic and the Wizard. The wizard has a G4 board and a G3 board. Caused a lot of bricks before they were seperated. The Magic has a 32a and 32b... never seperated and still causes bricks because of different SPLs. They should have been seperated. The G2/Desire Z have different bootloaders and a completely different framework. This could cause more trouble than convience. I still think the Magic should be seperated into 32a and 32b dev sections...
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yea i rather have them separated and not merged since they do differ a bit from each other.. i don't wanna see extra confusion, and extra clutter.. TP2 was a different story.. only GSM & CDMA was separated (not by US/Euro).. and all roms were mostly WWE & one keyboard layout.. so u would have to fix it (via .cab) post-flash.
I vote full merge. And i have to say that the g2 q n a is always active.
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full merge. im here most of the time anyways. Even some of the roms (evil D) contain 2 different versions in the same thread.
Vary true
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i dont have either 1050 USD (for the japanese version) or the 1500 USD for the unlocked korean one, guess ill just either wait for the price to really come down or check out the price in the UAE once it hits there.
7 were already sold for the japanese while nobody's bought the korean ones yet i think lol
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Gal...53797?pt=Cell_Phones&var=&hash=item3ceb1c89c5
I have been considering one of these from eBay.
I was wondering if anyone could advise if the Exnos version had any disadvantages over the snapdragon version?
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I have been considering one of these from eBay.
I was wondering if anyone could advise if the Exnos version had any disadvantages over the snapdragon version?
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I believe Note 4 folks with the Exynos version were having worse battery life than those with the Snapdragon.
outsidah said:
I believe Note 4 folks with the Exynos version were having worse battery life than those with the Snapdragon.
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Thank you! It's things like that I am worried about. I am very pleased with my Note 4 battery life. It's so much better than my Note 3 was.
I'll check out the thread on Note 4 section.
Regards.
i have heard a lot of times the exynos is the better one (not sure about battery life). the sellers all look like they are reputable sellers let us know guys if you get yours without hassle
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I ordered the exynos version. Not sure when I will ge it though...
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The exynos version does not support the US LTE. That's why there are 2. My understanding is that the exynos version is much faster and smoother, but battery drain is significant, while the snapdragon has better battery, LTE but you loose some of the smoothness if the device. I have been watching these auctions as well......
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I have been considering one of these from eBay.
I was wondering if anyone could advise if the Exnos version had any disadvantages over the snapdragon version?
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Just posted to another, forgot to add you in post.
The exynos version does not support the US LTE. That's why there are 2. My understanding is that the exynos version is much faster and smoother, but battery drain is significant, while the snapdragon has better battery, LTE but you loose some of the smoothness if the device. I have been watching these auctions as well......
HynDroZe said:
I ordered the exynos version. Not sure when I will ge it though...
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were you the one who bought the sk version? there are 11 buyers now for japanese wonder why the price difference is so big just because its unlocked?
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The exynos version does not support the US LTE. That's why there are 2. My understanding is that the exynos version is much faster and smoother, but battery drain is significant, while the snapdragon has better battery, LTE but you loose some of the smoothness if the device. I have been watching these auctions as well......
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Just posted to another, forgot to add you in post.
The exynos version does not support the US LTE. That's why there are 2. My understanding is that the exynos version is much faster and smoother, but battery drain is significant, while the snapdragon has better battery, LTE but you loose some of the smoothness if the device. I have been watching these auctions as well......
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I am in UK, do you think there might be any compatibility issues?
I also read that the exynos version does not support fast charging? Can you confirm this?
The Japanese version reviewed by Android Authority claimed to have extreme battery drain issues too.
how much total? let us know your thoughts about it when you get the unlocked korean version
invisiblesense said:
I am in UK, do you think there might be any compatibility issues?
I also read that the exynos version does not support fast charging? Can you confirm this?
The Japanese version reviewed by Android Authority claimed to have extreme battery drain issues too.
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You will be fine with the exynos version. That is the version that the UK uses for there processors. Its different bands/signals so that's why it is different. Some reason Samsung hasn't gotten theres to play nice with our LTE. Let me know your thoughts on arrival
Hi guys,
I am about order this Note Edge from ebay. I have decided to go for the Octa Core chip. This device is a Korean version, and I have a fews concerns which I was hoping someone would be able to clear up for me before placing the order:
- Would there be any issues if I wanted to put in a international rom on the phone when available?
- Would I receieve over the air updates?
- Would there be any limitation in using this in the UK?
- Anything else I need to be aware of?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SAMSUNG-G...19981?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item19f5e09aad
Many thanks in advance!
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Hi guys,
I am about order this Note Edge from ebay. I have decided to go for the Octa Core chip. This device is a Korean version, and I have a fews concerns which I was hoping someone would be able to clear up for me before placing the order:
- Would there be any issues if I wanted to put in a international rom on the phone when available?
- Would I receieve over the air updates?
- Would there be any limitation in using this in the UK?
- Anything else I need to be aware of?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SAMSUNG-G...19981?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item19f5e09aad
Many thanks in advance!
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- You will have all required bands running for your area. That is the right version.
- so this answer is a two part, if your putting a custom ROM, then no you will not have access to over the air updates, but even still keeping ng stock using the Samsung Kids so ftware will get you the required updahelps!now putting a custom ROM, you must and I mean MUST make sure that when putting/choosing a ROM you are choosing the ROM that goes with YOUR model, if not you could risk bricking the device. These ROMs won't be readily available until there are a few out and have had the time to be made. The model is very important because if the chipsets and radio bands and firmware.
Hope this helps!
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- You will have all required bands running for your area. That is the right version.
- so this answer is a two part, if your putting a custom ROM, then no you will not have access to over the air updates, but even still keeping ng stock using the Samsung Kids so ftware will get you the required updahelps!now putting a custom ROM, you must and I mean MUST make sure that when putting/choosing a ROM you are choosing the ROM that goes with YOUR model, if not you could risk bricking the device. These ROMs won't be readily available until there are a few out and have had the time to be made. The model is very important because if the chipsets and radio bands and firmware.
Hope this helps!
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That's fantastic! Thank you Primus123. I feel much reassured now.
Time to place the order.
Good luck with your purchase. Wonder when amazon will follow suit
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Good luck with your purchase. Wonder when amazon will follow suit
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Not sure if there will be units on Amazon.
Samsung has announced that they are only releasing 1million units. While that seems like a lot. There have never been any amounts listed as to where they are going. I spoke with a rep here locally who said he is hearing that there will be 100 thousand units to be given to the big 4 carriers(sprint, Verizon,att,T-Mobile) each. That puts us at 400thousand. Depending on what is given out of the US and other small carriers.
I'm curious to see if best buys, Sam's, Costco, radios shacks, etc... Will have any as well.
Price has gone up and up today. I guess they're getting enough buyers. Hope it goes down again, more than I'd pay.
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- You will have all required bands running for your area. That is the right version.
- so this answer is a two part, if your putting a custom ROM, then no you will not have access to over the air updates, but even still keeping ng stock using the Samsung Kids so ftware will get you the required updahelps!now putting a custom ROM, you must and I mean MUST make sure that when putting/choosing a ROM you are choosing the ROM that goes with YOUR model, if not you could risk bricking the device. These ROMs won't be readily available until there are a few out and have had the time to be made. The model is very important because if the chipsets and radio bands and firmware.
Hope this helps!
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Not sure if Exynos will work on O2/Giffgaff 800mhz though? (even though one version of Note 4 Exynos i smeant to)
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I have placed my order! It cost £799.99, this was the counter offer I received from the seller.
This same device is now showing £1000. The est delivery date is showing between 6-7 November. Can't wait!
I also feel extermely guilty for spending so much money so soon after splashing out on Note 4...
I wish I could also order the flip case but just could not spend another £40. I will also still have to pay custom charges once it arrives.
avenging,
thank you!
Fatila,
It had the same message on the description for the Edge, so hopefully it should work.
Lol welcome enjoy it when u get it
primus123 said:
- You will have all required bands running for your area. That is the right version.
- so this answer is a two part, if your putting a custom ROM, then no you will not have access to over the air updates, but even still keeping ng stock using the Samsung Kids so ftware will get you the required updahelps!now putting a custom ROM, you must and I mean MUST make sure that when putting/choosing a ROM you are choosing the ROM that goes with YOUR model, if not you could risk bricking the device. These ROMs won't be readily available until there are a few out and have had the time to be made. The model is very important because if the chipsets and radio bands and firmware.
Hope this helps!
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I am a bit concerned to read that there are some limitations on Korean imports with the SMS APP. Apparently, it has a 80 character limit? And there might also be issues with some others apps...
Does anyone know if these issues still exists?
Thanks.
I know everyone here have the same sentiments, coming from Xperia Neo and Samsung S4, custom roms and kernels are everywhere you'll be hard press on choosing which one you'll flash. Heck you can flash at your hearts content. Even my Lenovo K860 have support but looking at 6 months after our G4 has been release few support for custom roms and kernel can be seen. We've even struggling to unlock our bootloaders, comparing to the recently released Nexus 6P maaaan their threads are flouring with development that made me think I have chosen the wrong flagship. Praying that maybe next year things will change, the promise of LG for more unlocked device will see its fruition.
i love this phone over my s4 and s6, BUT, and thats a big but, the missed touches is infuriating and i cant recommended it at all cause of it.
Simply i feel boring with G4. It's prefect phone but android without root or unlocked bootloader ! This jail. No blocks ad no customs roms no etc... Some time i thinking i take the wrong choice ?
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yes...
i'm very frustrating with this phone because it's impossible to update to MM and root with locked bootloader .... :crying:
it's horrible ,i'm disapointed ... :crying:
A MM succesfuly flashed is better than LP ....with his auto-grenify optimisations ,privacyguard....etc..and have more battery life and more touchscreen responsive...etc...
Android 6 is a good update of 5 ...but near the same thing of base.
.but i need root .
And LG firmwares are very good compared to Samsung for example...
but for customs ,in the past with GB/JB/KK ,i loved them....but i don't like at all CM politics of development with "eternal" nightlies developments with theirs too much merged ,revert parts...and when when they fix things there are other(s) bug(s)...and recursings bugs....
It's a complete regession too,with his known photo/videos apps and others compared to stock for hights devices like G4/S6/XperiaZ ...etc...
And for the future : with MM and news bootloaders more and more securised (due to "bad" criminals hackers ) ,if manufacturers will decide to don't unlock theirs devices ===> it's the end of the story of all developments ...obscur future
Now ,it seem that Chainfire and others completely fail to root these news locked devices...total unsucces at this time.... and that feel bad omen.
Why does it need support? I run stock and all parts of my phone work just fine.
Zero issues. Works as LG/Google intended.
You guys are just trying too hard. Maybe just try using your smartphone as it was intended? Seriously some of you are over analysing this and spending too much effort on it.
Just relax. It's all good.
I think this is complaining on a very high level. Things appear to be working fine out of the box. I don't understand why you would complain about not enough "modding".
And maybe you should've checked the threads on the android forums before you bought the G4, whose development seems to be so important to you. So why you didn't do that in the first place?
I'd recommend doing a few searches and information gathering before you buy a ~500€ phone, if development is such a big thing for you
daglesj said:
Why does it need support? I run stock and all parts of my phone work just fine.
Zero issues. Works as LG/Google intended.
You guys are just trying too hard. Maybe just try using your smartphone as it was intended? Seriously some of you are over analysing this and spending too much effort on it.
Just relax. It's all good.
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Agreed
I'm stock but rooted, I love this phone, it's smooth, snappy, the screen is absolutely amazing.
These days I will only flash a quality ROM, not just any old ROM simply because it exists, those days are behind me. If that's what people want then yes, they should have bought a Nexus device, as that's kind of it's main reason for being!
I will admit the bootloader situation is not good for a large proportion of users, and that may be the top reason why it isn't being taken up by many devs. Claiming it voids the warranty is misplaced as isn't that the case with every major manufacturer ? The exceptions being Nexus devices and cheap Chinese handsets (and good luck with warranty in that case anyway!)
Tbh if I want a phone that just works I would rather buy an iPhone.
If this is everything you need then YOU have bought the wrong phone.
Btw. whats wrong with the development?
There is an working offical CM13 Version with daylie updates. And even some modded CM Versions.
We have an outstanding offical CM Developer who is fixing bugs as soon as they appear.
And modded stock Roms.
LG offers an official bootloader unlock and will (as stated a lot in the forums) repair hardware failures regardless of it.
So grab your balls, unlock and enjoy.
I did and do not regret.
And blame LG for the devices that can't be unlocked but not the community or development.
I'm coming from S4 and believe me that was pure pain.
Btw. googy_anas joined the community so expect custom Kernels soon.
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LG offers an official bootloader unlock and will (as stated a lot in the forums) repair hardware failures regardless of it.
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Hmm, well if that was indeed the case then i'd be particularly interested in doing a bootloader unlock and flashing CM13. Perhaps a dumb question, but how do LG know whether the bootloader has been unlocked? When i had the original 2013 Moto G, unlocking the bootloader produced this horrible warning screen at startup, is it something similar on the G4?
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So grab your balls, unlock and enjoy.
I did and do not regret.
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Amen brother
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unlocking the bootloader produced this horrible warning screen at startup, is it something similar on the G4?
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Yes, on bootloader it says:
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Overlayed on top left in terminal font
Yeh there is a message at boot on the upper left corner.
yes...it's sure that you have reason
This G4 is fantastic too ,yes...
For me ,i just want to root this MM ...
But for to unlock a bootloader ,it's a own choice of persons and we have nothing to say about that...
The real question is : what are LG laws about warranty exactly ? like root, the hardware is not affected by this warranty or the phone is considered as "lost" in case of problem ?
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i love this phone over my s4 and s6, BUT, and thats a big but, the missed touches is infuriating and i cant recommended it at all cause of it.
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Scout around the forum and flash the latest KDZ for your region. That fixed my H815 twn of all the lag and missed touches.
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I think this is complaining on a very high level. Things appear to be working fine out of the box. I don't understand why you would complain about not enough "modding".
And maybe you should've checked the threads on the android forums before you bought the G4, whose development seems to be so important to you. So why you didn't do that in the first place?
I'd recommend doing a few searches and information gathering before you buy a ~500€ phone, if development is such a big thing for you
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As @P650SE said I would have bought an iPhone if out of the box experience were my sole reason in buying a phone. I agree that it's somewhat my fault in not looking first at the forum before I purchased my G4 but I saw the thing and it just struck me as my soul mate. It's just feel that the phone is specially made just for you. I missed the old days when few phones would come out and the support for those phones were superb. I love my G4 no doubt but looking at Nexus 6P thread got me jealous , oh also if you'll looked at LG V10 thread same goes for the people there few support vs the 6P. I'm not a dev or modder my self, I'm a flash addict you can say so forgive me if I offended you. I assume to much buying a flagship from LG maybe a nexus for me after 2 years
i feel it comes from the fact that lg locked up them selves so hard that people who dont have the int version just wont work had for it.
this is were the lg g4 falls.
i dont understand why the lg g4 oem camera can not be moved as is to a cm based
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Scout around the forum and flash the latest KDZ for your region. That fixed my H815 twn of all the lag and missed touches.
As @P650SE said I would have bought an iPhone if out of the box experience were my sole reason in buying a phone. I agree that it's somewhat my fault in not looking first at the forum before I purchased my G4 but I saw the thing and it just struck me as my soul mate. It's just feel that the phone is specially made just for you. I missed the old days when few phones would come out and the support for those phones were superb. I love my G4 no doubt but looking at Nexus 6P thread got me jealous , oh also if you'll looked at LG V10 thread same goes for the people there few support vs the 6P. I'm not a dev or modder my self, I'm a flash addict you can say so forgive me if I offended you. I assume to much buying a flagship from LG maybe a nexus for me after 2 years
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No offense here, bro. Everything cool. I can somehow understand what you're talking about. Still I think that this phone is awesome as it is out of the box. Actually you don't need to mod it, but I'm a flashaholic myself and I have no doubts, that development is kinda lame compared to other devices.
But you can't compare it to a Nexus 6P or 5X, since these are original android phones and, with that in mind, they surely have the most developers and most development out there.
It's like comparing the development of a VW Golf to a Mercedes Benz (Not talking about the expense, but about interested people, market shares etc.) and, not at least, developing for an original android phone might be easier and more worthy for developers (I'm not a developer myself, just guessing).
So don't be dissapointed. I think what's going on in the G4 threads is still enough for any person who likes to mod.
At least for h815 version. If you don't have the international model, ok, you're f**ked :laugh:
i think that we all have found this "love" ...
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i feel it comes from the fact that lg locked up them selves so hard that people who dont have the int version just wont work had for it.
this is were the lg g4 falls.
i dont understand why the lg g4 oem camera can not be moved as is to a cm based
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The same reason why most LG apps or apps from other manufacturers cannot be easyly ported. They are locked into the framework.
Afaik codeworkx said that it has to be reverse engineered which he tryed but its impossible for him to do that.
Thats why he modded the open camera instead.
We could start a bounty maybe it will attrackt some people who can do that.
it's completely useless to tweak and search to "optimise" phones with all olds tricks (external build.prop ,zip and others...) ,it's persistent in the mind of some peoples..
it was true at the begining with E/F/GB/JB systems but now the modern android versions really already have best evolutions inside....and phones are very very powerful.
I have tried things with KK but i NEVER see REAL difference ...(placebo effects ? )but in some cases it's the opposite (laggs,drains, buggs...)
Now for "geeks" like ours ,,some people continue to be fan of customs (for the style)....and others (more and more peoples in this case ! ) just want to root ...and some of these ones for xposed .
And we all represent a very big minority of phones users because generaly the consumers but a devise and normaly "just" use it without changes...a phone correctly do calls, sms ,web ,social , some games ...without all that .
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The same reason why most LG apps or apps from other manufacturers cannot be easyly ported. They are locked into the framework.
Afaik codeworkx said that it has to be reverse engineered which he tryed but its impossible for him to do that.
Thats why he modded the open camera instead.
We could start a bounty maybe it will attrackt some people who can do that.
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i think all custom rom users will join