Hey All,
Need your help with something. Not only is there the Euro version of the Galaxy S, but soon there will be the Sprint Epic, T-Mobile Vibrant, AT&T Captivate, and Verizon Fascinate. All of these are Galaxy S phones, but the development will vary a bit from device to device.
How should we handle this at XDA? Should we have multiple (separate) forums for all five devices? Or should we just have sub-forums under this Galaxy S main forum? Please vote!
More specifically:
Option 1........
Samsung Galaxy S
- Galaxy S General
- Galaxy S Acessories
- Galaxy S Android Development
- Sprint Epic Android Development
- T-Mobile Vibrant Android Development
- AT&T Captivate Android Development
- Verizon Fascinate Android Development
- Galaxy S Themes and Apps
Option 2........
Samsung Galaxy S
- Galaxy S General
- Galaxy S Acessories
- Galaxy S Android Development
- Galaxy S Themes and Apps
Sprint Epic
- Epic General
- Epic Acessories
- Epic Android Development
- Epic Themes and Apps
AT&T Captivate
- Captivate General
- Captivate Acessories
- Captivate Android Development
- Captivate Themes and Apps
Verizon Fascinate
- Fascinate General
- Fascinate Acessories
- Fascinate Android Development
- Fascinate Themes and Apps
T-Mobile Vibrant
- Vibrant General
- Vibrant Acessories
- Vibrant Android Development
- Vibrant Themes and Apps
has to be option 2.
Otherwise the place will become 'flooded' and 'cluttered' and the same questions being answered many times.
Also it will be difficult to help people in different regions and who have different firmware etc
Definitely Option 2.
I don't think there's a need to even split the development forums.
As i see it, "Galaxy S" is a platform. The hardware for all the devices is 99% similar, with the exception of keyboards.
I'm thinking more like-
- Galaxy S General
- Galaxy S Acessories
- Galaxy S Android Development
- Galaxy S Keyboard devices Android Development
- Galaxy S Themes and Apps
If it turns out that the devices will actually be pretty different, i support option 1.
Let's keep it as a big happy family, no need for splits.
Pika007 said:
I don't think there's a need to even split the development forums.
As i see it, "Galaxy S" is a platform. The hardware for all the devices is 99% similar, with the exception of keyboards.
I'm thinking more like-
- Galaxy S General
- Galaxy S Acessories
- Galaxy S Android Development
- Galaxy S Keyboard devices Android Development
- Galaxy S Themes and Apps
If it turns out that the devices will actually be pretty different, i support option 1.
Let's keep it as a big happy family, no need for splits.
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They are very similar, but the AT&T and T-Mobile versions are GSM, whereas the Sprint and VZW versions are CDMA, two totally different technologies.
I'm going to have to go with option 2. Not only will it become cluttered, but do we know yet just how similar the devices are? Like someone already mentioned, there will be GSM & CDMA models. But on top of that, the software might still be just different enough...
They are very similar, but the AT&T and T-Mobile versions are GSM, whereas the Sprint and VZW versions are CDMA, two totally different technologies.
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my point exactly.
option 2 makes the most sense
Am i missing something? Option 2 is the most cluttered one with 5 different forums for the same thing. The development forums need to be separate, but why have 5 different general, accessories, and themes/apps forums? The phones aren't that much different.
Split gsm and cdma like ya did with Hero. Makes sense to me.
jeffoster said:
They are very similar, but the AT&T and T-Mobile versions are GSM, whereas the Sprint and VZW versions are CDMA, two totally different technologies.
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Then splitting GSM and CDMA should be more than enough.
Option 2
Vince
theyre all so similar, just do Option 1, i dont want to have to go back and forth between 5 different threads to find an answer.. add if we ask a question, we wont hit all the users, wed have to ask in 5 different general sections.
Has to be option 1, they are similar phones with a few cosmetic difference but as people have said may all be different to develop for, so specific development forums would be the best way.
Option 2 makes sense!
The phones are too different to keep in the same place. They are all different shapes, one has a keyboard, two are CDMA but two are GSM, some have flashes, they have different bands... they are different phones. Someone said we don't need separate general/accessories forums, but there do need to be AT LEAST different accessories forums.
option 2.
I'll want roms with sprint specific content and keyboard features.
Keep each separate.
Option 1. Otherwise there'll be so much duplication that everyone will miss out on the collective benefit of having all the best devs and support people working together.
Pika007 said:
I don't think there's a need to even split the development forums.
As i see it, "Galaxy S" is a platform. The hardware for all the devices is 99% similar, with the exception of keyboards.
I'm thinking more like-
- Galaxy S General
- Galaxy S Acessories
- Galaxy S Android Development
- Galaxy S Keyboard devices Android Development
- Galaxy S Themes and Apps
If it turns out that the devices will actually be pretty different, i support option 1.
Let's keep it as a big happy family, no need for splits.
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i agree with this.
Option 1 is the best. Even with keyboard and CDMA vs GSM the phones are similar enough that general questions will overlap. Just like the forums for other HTC devices (Topaz/Touch Diamond 2/Pure for example).
The accessories issue could be solved if posters are generous enough to use something like [Galaxy S], [Captivate], etc. in front of the post. Of course, that won't work well if the phones prove to be popular, then different forums for CDMA, GSM, and/or accessories may be needed.
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Then splitting GSM and CDMA should be more than enough.
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i agree
Option 2 is to much of a good thing i think. Like others said, the difference is minimal, so my opinion is just add more categories where it's needed. Makes it easier for the knowledgable people to reply to problems which may have already been answered.
It will be funny when the epic *****ing starts when the noobs flash a gsm rom to their cdma device and end up with a paper weight.
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As most know the Galaxy S series will soon have 4 variants, one for each carrier will this section break off to 4 different sub-forums?
I know usually you'll be able to find ROMs here but say we get a CDMA variant the unlocked GSM version won't work (or at least I think it won't). Just wondering how this section will play out since this is sort of a first for a phone to come to all 4 carriers in a different variant with different specs/features.
First and only sticky thread at the top. It's hard to miss.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=714799
Alright lets get the record straight. Has anyone tried the kernal patch that puts your mem on a partition on the sd card. Supposidly this boosts performance out of this world. Please post here if you have tried this.
Secondly, we need to attract some developers. I'm willing to donate if anyone wants to code for us. We got a great user base and a really good product. Im conviced the captivate is by far one of the better phones from the galaxy s lineup. If any one knows some developers, introduce them tot his godly beast and let them know there are people out here willing to pay for good quality fixes and roms.
I was thinkin about asking for help from the guys running international s. We could post and ask in the xda area and also modaco and androidforums which have big communities as well.
Any other ideas on how to attract developers? Post here.
systoxity said:
Alright lets get the record straight. Has anyone tried the kernal patch that puts your mem on a partition on the sd card. Supposidly this boosts performance out of this world. Please post here if you have tried this.
Secondly, we need to attract some developers. I'm willing to donate if anyone wants to code for us. We got a great user base and a really good product. Im conviced the captivate is by far one of the better phones from the galaxy s lineup. If any one knows some developers, introduce them tot his godly beast and let them know there are people out here willing to pay for good quality fixes and roms.
I was thinkin about asking for help from the guys running international s. We could post and ask in the xda area and also modaco and androidforums which have big communities as well.
Any other ideas on how to attract developers? Post here.
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I'm down to donate as well and do anything I can to add to the cause. I really hope this phone takes off cause it is great. I think we have a good chance that a lot of the N1 devs might just come over to this phone and if not they should be getting the Vibrant and I doubt that it will be much trouble to port over to Captivate.
Err why is it better lol? all the samsung galaxy S phones are exacly the same internaly...none its better than the other, the only difrence is the lack of flash/camera and keyboard from the other variants.
rafyvitto said:
Err why is it better lol? all the samsung galaxy S phones are exacly the same internaly...none its better than the other, the only difrence is the lack of flash/camera and keyboard from the other variants.
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Image, Image, Image. If the galaxy lineup were real life siblings, the captivate would be the only one going to the prom. It also sports fewer gps issues than the vibrant and galaxy s. Ive also seen way less people complain about lag in these forums than the ones for the vibrant and galaxy s (and we have more viewers here than on the vibrant page).
When devs see this device they should be seeing potential.
systoxity said:
Image, Image, Image. If the galaxy lineup were real life siblings, the captivate would be the only one going to the prom. It also sports fewer gps issues than the vibrant and galaxy s. Ive also seen way less people complain about lag in these forums than the ones for the vibrant and galaxy s (and we have more viewers here than on the vibrant page).
When devs see this device they should be seeing potential.
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All of these so called "issues' are software based, its samsung ****ty touchwiz UI that lags like ****ing hell, not the device hardware, and yes i do agree that the captivate is the sexiest of them all.
Im pretty sure it would be painless to port over Vibrant or Galaxy S fixes to the Captivate. Internally they are the same except for a few minor differences like rafyvitto said which wouldn't be that hard to fix. I'm brushing up on my Java skills and learning about the internals of Android right now. Ive been a iPhone person for a while. Hopefully soon I can be of some help and get hacking on Captivate. From what I've seen and read we have a good phone to develop for because its easily rooted and has an unlocked bootloader. I've also heard that the drivers for the Galaxy S lineup are encrypted, but I haven't seen any confirmation of that. What we need is a dump of the current ROM and also we need a better recovery system like Amon_RA's recovery. The source for his recovery system is on GitHub so we could try and port it over to the Galaxy S lineup.
shouldnt samsung be releasing source for drivers any day now? I thought the word around town was that they were being open with the community on this jazz.
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shouldnt samsung be releasing source for drivers any day now? I thought the word around town was that they were being open with the community on this jazz.
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They have already released the source code for the Galaxy S here. They don't have to release the source for the drivers because they are proprietary, but from what ive read the binaries for the drivers are in that download so all someone would have to do in link them in. I just don't know if the drivers are encrypted meaning that it has to be an official samsung ROM for them to work. Hopefully not because that would make cooking new ROMs a hell of alot easier.
we should ask the modaco guys for help and info. I dont think we can use the source or drivers from the galaxy s international. I think someone tried doing stuff that way and bricked.
i could be wrong tho
Would also be willing to donate to the cause. The only reason I didn't buy an iPhone 4 is the developers for this phone.
@wesgarner is on the CyanogenMod team / TeamDouche and has ordered a Vibrant.
We might be able to encourage him to port the latest CyanogenMod build once he has the Vibrant's build completed.
He purchased a Vibrant and I think a laptop to do the work. I've already sent him an email about being a beta tester for the Captivate.
Just remember the devs have a life outside of working on phones! Don't ask for timelines - whether you donate or not!
Wes is working on a port for the slide and then he'll be working on the Vibrant.
While the hardware is similar - the software isn't exactly the same. I was messing around with the MMS.apk today and tried to replace my corrupted one with the one from the Vibrant - did NOT work.
Also, the device is capable of having a REAL FMRadio. The Euro versions have an FMradio.apk. I pushed it to the Captivate - but, the Captivate will need the drivers (to build into a kernal) for the FMRadio to work. But, this is entirely possible.
So, yes the hardware is basically the same or similar - it won't necessarily easy. If any of you remember, LOL - this will be akin to porting the N1 build over to the Desire - I think.
The first thing to go should be that awful samsung UI lol. I think the challenge will be porting ROMs for all these different Galaxy S models. I saw this coming when I read the device would make it to all four major carriers in the US plus.
thanks shane, i also heard another dev recently purchased a captivate, do you know anything about this? i'd like to support his endeavors.
Yea I read over in the Vibrant forums that a dev just got a captivate and is working on a recovery. They also have wes working on the Vibrant so hopefully they get cookin on some ROMs. It won't be that much of a hassle to port them over to the captivate. I would advise not fooling around too much with your phone because someone has already messed up his/her phone. They will either have to take it into ATT store and replace it or wait for a dump of the original ROM to come out.
I have tired the MoDaCo rom and it does (kinda - not brick) work with the SGH-I897 (captivate model), I was able to use it to remove the ATT crapware and nearly everything seems to be working. Phone reports its self as Model Number: GT-I9000 in the about phone tab.
One very IMPORTANT problem - I am having difficulty making outgoing phone calls.
Things that I can confirm work:
Bluetooth file transfer
3g data
GSM phone calls (incoming calls work)
Camera
Audible app, pandora ect.
SMS outgoing and incoming messages
Pretty much everything I have tested on the phone except making outgoing phone calls (important as it is a phone after all). So DON'T use this ROM yet, and if you do make a backup.
Hope this helps.
I'm in the market for a used 7" Galaxy tab. I want to be able to flash ICS on it so naturally I looked at which devices have ICS ports already posted in the development section.
It looks like those that have ICS support also have cellular data (which I don't need.) so I started looking for used Galaxy Tabs with a cellular modem.
I found some decently priced Sprint Galaxy Tab 7" and the Tmobile Galaxy tab 7". but it looks like these are not considered to be P1000 so will they work with Cm9/ ICS?
Also, how is the GPS chip in these units? I have a Galaxy tab 8.9 and the GPS is the best I have ever seen in a tablet/phone with a full lock in under 3 seconds.
Tmobile galaxy tab 7" is SGH-T849
I am using one that I flashed with Overcome 4.1 ROM with JPZ modem and using it in Australia
It becomes exactly like a P1000. I can get 3G/HSDPA speed, I can make and receive phone calls, everything like a P1000.
thank you for the response. Have you tried cm9?
CM9 has been ported to the Sprint Tab, (in fact to the Verizon tab as well,) the kernel is not perfect at the moment, so while the Tab won't be bricked, you may experience a few more issues than if you had a GSM tab. Bear in mind, both of these are in alpha, so they have issues. As with any Alpha, Beta, or work in progress, things will not be nearly as smooth as they will be once the rom is in RC (release candidate) or final. Also, you will probably want to keep tabs, (no pun intended,) on the rom's progress and keep flashing newer versions to get enhanced functionality and stability.
Here are the two posts in the dev section about ICS on the Galaxy Tab. They are both the same rom, they are created and worked on by the same devs. They just represent different stages of development. I would suggest reading through both:
The Current Work in Progress:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1385153
(This seems to be the more current build)
The Alpha 3 Version of the above ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1322059
(This is updated with each new Alpha, rather than on a rolling basis like the thread above)
I've never had any trouble getting a GPS lock in my Sprint GT7, I have on occasion used it as a GPS navigator (via Google Maps Navigation,) while in rental cars. It never steered me wrong, (pun intended.)
I hope this info makes your choice easier. Good Luck!
Thank you. Lots of good information.
If you haven't bought one, and don't mind paying a little bit more, I think you should get the GSM version (usually the T-mobile one is a bit cheaper?).
You see there are a lot more custom ROMs on GSM than CDMA, so more choices.
I think mainly because GSM is widely deployed worldwide, so we get more devs participating in that hardware.
I haven't used CM9 on my T-mobile tab, but I am 100% sure it will work. Just haven't taken the plunge.
Yeah, I'm trying to find the GSM version but the cheapest I've seen is $275 used.
The Sprint version is readily available for around $200.
This is going to replace my Pioneer navigation unit in my car so audio out via the dock is important. It will connect to a 4 channel amp. Reliable GPS is a must.
I have an 8.9" Galaxy tab which I love but it's too big and expensive to put in the dash permanently and there is no easy way to make it removable at that size while still making it look decent.
A 7" original galaxy tab is the perfect fit. Even the 7.0 plus is slightly too big.
Anyway, I'll keep looking for a cheap SGH-T849, one is bound to pop up at some point.
I am switching from Sprint to AT&T, as I already said in the subject, and I am looking for some QUICK opinions.
As most people probably have gone through this when buying their phone, I am debating on the S4 Active or the HTC One.
Upon coming onto here though, I was leaning more toward the HTC One because I like several things about it, more than the normal S4 and S4 Active, and because most of the S4 software features I don't really care about; I'm an EVO 3D owner, so I know how the gimmicks go. Nonetheless there are things that do attract me to the S4 Active over the One
I noticed the difference in activity for the S4 vs the One is SIGNIFICANT. ~13.5k posts for the S4 and ~3.6k posts for the One. Why is this? Are there that many junk postings\ROMs\etc or is it really just THAT active in this community? Is this section the same area to go to for the S4 Active device w/ AT&T?
- How is battery life? This is more geared toward the S4 \ S4 Active veteran users as I don't care how long your battery is lasting after you got your phone just a week ago lol
- How is NORMAL everyday use of the camera\camcorder?
- Are there significant amounts of SOLID daily drivers that are varying in style and operation? (ROMs)
- For the Active, how is call quality (for both sides), are there any other downsides to the Active edition vs regular S4 or HTC One?
Thanks
incarceration said:
I am switching from Sprint to AT&T, as I already said in the subject, and I am looking for some QUICK opinions.
As most people probably have gone through this when buying their phone, I am debating on the S4 Active or the HTC One.
Upon coming onto here though, I was leaning more toward the HTC One because I like several things about it, more than the normal S4 and S4 Active, and because most of the S4 software features I don't really care about; I'm an EVO 3D owner, so I know how the gimmicks go. Nonetheless there are things that do attract me to the S4 Active over the One
I noticed the difference in activity for the S4 vs the One is SIGNIFICANT. ~13.5k posts for the S4 and ~3.6k posts for the One. Why is this? Are there that many junk postings\ROMs\etc or is it really just THAT active in this community? Is this section the same area to go to for the S4 Active device w/ AT&T?
- How is battery life? This is more geared toward the S4 \ S4 Active veteran users as I don't care how long your battery is lasting after you got your phone just a week ago lol
- How is NORMAL everyday use of the camera\camcorder?
- Are there significant amounts of SOLID daily drivers that are varying in style and operation? (ROMs)
- For the Active, how is call quality (for both sides), are there any other downsides to the Active edition vs regular S4 or HTC One?
Thanks
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OK I'll try to answer most of ur questions there r more posts in the s4 section for two reasons 1 there r two devices using this forum the s4 and the s4 active 2 s4 has sold 20 million devices or so the HTC one about 5 million ( est not exact number from what I read )
Battery close is similar on all 3 devices for a lot of ppl the decidinng factor is the SD card and removable battery which HTC one has neither plus that power button being on top ( u had a evo 3d u mite be used to this )
Daily drivers there is plenty of good ROMs for the s4 and the HTC one
The active is really limited in this aspect since it has yet to acquire custom recovery exploit yet
The s4 has a boot loader exploit so u can use custom recovery as long as u don't update it out of the box mf3 ( plenty of threads on how to freeze att updater )
Out of the total amt of phones sold very few ppl actually flash ROMs a small percent of the android population the galaxy line has always had a lot of devs and ROMs cuz of its awesome specs and likability and ease to root and flash ROMs ( minus boot loader locking which isn't Samsung's fault its the carriers )
Hope this helps u and answers ur questions
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Thanks for the fairly detailed response!
I have a couple other questions for you - is the cartoon-like UI their TouchWiz software?
Not to ruffle any feathers but I don't really like that aspect of it.
Also, when you unlock the bootloader and\or root, do you still get the annoying triangle upon boot? My friend had the S III and he had that problem. It didn't affect functionality but it was a bit tacky\annoying.
Yeah I have found AT&T to be root\unlock Nazis, but it seemed to be select devices they like to lock down. Not sure why, because you still have your plan that limits you lol
Thanks again!
incarceration said:
Thanks for the fairly detailed response!
I have a couple other questions for you - is the cartoon-like UI their TouchWiz software?
Not to ruffle any feathers but I don't really like that aspect of it.
Also, when you unlock the bootloader and\or root, do you still get the annoying triangle upon boot? My friend had the S III and he had that problem. It didn't affect functionality but it was a bit tacky\annoying.
Yeah I have found AT&T to be root\unlock Nazis, but it seemed to be select devices they like to lock down. Not sure why, because you still have your plan that limits you lol
Thanks again!
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TW (TouchWhiz) is samsungs launcher and I wouldn't call it cartoon-like, but if you think so there are alternatives such as launchers from the Play Store, or flashing an AOSP ROM for vanilla Android look and feel.
As far as unlocking the bootloader, there are working methods as to remove the triangle on boot, so don't sweat that.
Hello all.
Long time user of XDA but kinda confused on this particular thread. I have a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and have only installed roms from it's respective forum. I also notice other carriers have their own forums as well but this one is just labeled Samsung Galaxy Note 3. I've never knew which phones these forums support or why it exists in the first place. Thank you very much for info and sorry for dumb question.. I just can't seem to find the answers. I do realize I can see what models the roms support and most models are something other than the sprint or verizon models (N900p and N900v) thanks again.
These are the boards for the remaining 6.9 billion inhabitants of planet Earth, namely the ones not living in the USA.
More specifically, these boards are dedicated to the International and/or Unbranded versions of the Note 3. Primarily the N9005(Snapdragon) and N900(Exynos), but also the Canadian N900W8, the Asian models and all other non-US models.
US models have separate boards because they are completely different devices with often completely different firmware. (right down to settings and options.)
All non-US models are variants of the primary models, the N9005 and N900. Aside from a few small, cosmetics software differences, they are all the same. So we've got one place for all of those.
But there's plenty of discussion regarding the US models here too, because the General, Q&A, Accessoires and Apps boards are for all Note 3 variants.
Hope that clears it up a bit.
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Perfectly explained. Thank you very much!
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