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G2/ DZ forum merge...? *scratch this*

*edit* Feel free to delete this thread admins. I found this has already been addressed in the announcment thread.
Original post:
"So I noticed that G2 and Desire Z forums have been merged due to the fact that they are practically identical other that the radio stuff... but why are a bunch of Desire HD threads popping up here? That phone isn't really too similar.. are these mistakes or has the HD forum been merged aswell?"
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Its a stupid idea to merge these, really. When people start bricking phones left and right... I'm not helping anyone. And usually, its people like me and the other senior members who have to deal with this crap and not the mods... Just because a few foolish people (with good intentions) who have no idea what's going on want this, it doesn't mean its a good idea. One major complaint was that the desire z isn't as active... well, tough ****! How is that OUR problem?! Just because our brothers on the other side of the pond are having trouble attracting development/theming isn't our problem. They need to jump in head first and do their own work if its lacking... I don't care about that really but this is just gonna create total confusion and many $500 paperweights, lol!

How is it going to create paperweights ? The main source of semi-bricking that I've seen is running Visionary, something that I try and steer people away from.
The same custom ROMs can be used on both phones.
Engineering hboot doesn't need to be applied any more, and shouldn't be in any guides aimed at newcomers.
I think you're misunderstanding the lack of difference between the two phones. You still mention a "framework" difference but I don't know what you mean unless you mean the Sense framework (which is purely a ROM issue and nothing to do with hardware).
Thanks for your kind welcoming words towards DZ owners though

steviewevie said:
How is it going to create paperweights ? The main source of semi-bricking that I've seen is running Visionary, something that I try and steer people away from.
The same custom ROMs can be used on both phones.
Engineering hboot doesn't need to be applied any more, and shouldn't be in any guides aimed at newcomers.
I think you're misunderstanding the lack of difference between the two phones. You still mention a "framework" difference but I don't know what you mean unless you mean the Sense framework (which is purely a ROM issue and nothing to do with hardware).
Thanks for your kind welcoming words towards DZ owners though
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Radios/hboots will still be flashed and can cause a bricked device. With frameworks... a lot of soft bricks which newbies will think its a real brick but whatever... just complicates things, that's all. Take for example, htc magic forums... complete mess because of the 32a/32b boards being in the same dev section. Brick city over there, lol! This is what we need... same subforum section with Desire z/G2/same general/same q&a/same accessories/different dev. sec/same theme. Perfect example is the htc wizard subforum, seperate board sections. Believe it or not the G2 and Desire Z have extremely similiar boards but they are different. Enough to cause problems. Wait and see... and I understand that you feel personally attacked because you were a big advocate of the merge but its nothing personal. I've been around here long enough to see a bad idea executed and the problems that arise. And no I have nothing against my desire z brothers... I had just heard someone meantion about development issues in your previous dev forum and that was their only reason for wanting a merge. That kind of pissed my off for some reason and just sounds lazy. I'm not judging everyone from the desire z subforum for that one, lone comment but it just added fuel to the fire, so to speak... I think the merge isn't bad but we need two seperate dev sections, imo. That's all...

It's ok, I don't feel personally attacked
I'd like to know what you feel is the exact difference in the boards between the two phones though ?
The only hardware difference that I'm aware of is different physical keyboard layouts (a non-issue, since that's the same issue on most phones, dealt with by software). And different radio bands set in hardware (again, the same issues on most phones, not a reason to split forums, we're not talking about GSM vs CDMA here).
How come the same custom ROMs can be used on both phones if there's such a difference ?
The guides to rooting/S-OFF now don't include instructions to flash eng hboots. And the Wiki makes it pretty clear that it's unnecessary, and lists the different ones for the two different phones if people really want to try it. I doubt many people will be looking at the Wiki when they root/S-OFF though.
We actually don't have any evidence that flashing radios from one to the other is a problem. I posted up in another thread that we really need this to be verified. I actually suspect it will work fine (e.g. the version numbering is in the same sequence across both phones).

steviewevie said:
It's ok, I don't feel personally attacked
I'd like to know what you feel is the exact difference in the boards between the two phones though ?
The only hardware difference that I'm aware of is different physical keyboard layouts (a non-issue, since that's the same issue on most phones, dealt with by software). And different radio bands set in hardware (again, the same issues on most phones, not a reason to split forums, we're not talking about GSM vs CDMA here).
How come the same custom ROMs can be used on both phones if there's such a difference ?
The guides to rooting/S-OFF now don't include instructions to flash eng hboots. And the Wiki makes it pretty clear that it's unnecessary, and lists the different ones for the two different phones if people really want to try it. I doubt many people will be looking at the Wiki when they root/S-OFF though.
We actually don't have any evidence that flashing radios from one to the other is a problem. I posted up in another thread that we really need this to be verified. I actually suspect it will work fine (e.g. the version numbering is in the same sequence across both phones).
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You might be correct... I'm just going from past experiences. We can confirm with some version numbers. But I guess time will tell. I do hope things work out. Its just nice to have less headaches though... with s off things can get dangerous, complete bricks. I've bricked a few phones as a former cell tech and its never fun. I even bricked my wife's phone back in the day, lol! But... that's how things go sometimes, you live and learn. I just don't want to see new folks bricking phones with complete s off... I know its gonna happen but we don't have enough proof yet that things are completely safe as far different bootloaders go. I think we should have been 100% certain that cross flashing radios is safe.. etc before the merge. Maybe I missed something and everything has been tested before hand?

I'm not going to enter into G2 and DZ merging, I don't know well enough how similar they are. Accessories for one would definitely work with the other though, right?
The point asked about in the original post, WHY ON EARTH ARE DESIRE HD THREADS BEING MOVED OVER HERE??!?!?!
We're talking about cases, batteries, screen protectors... these are nothing like the G2 versions. Take a look -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=764
Half the threads have been moved! Why?!?!?!

Before the G2 and the Z came out I had heard on good authority that the same radio's could be flashed on either device, leaving the only real difference being the partition sizes which is infact a non-issue.
Although I know of no-one who can confirm or deny the radio point since release

AndyCr15 said:
The point asked about in the original post, WHY ON EARTH ARE DESIRE HD THREADS BEING MOVED OVER HERE??!?!?!
We're talking about cases, batteries, screen protectors... these are nothing like the G2 versions. Take a look -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=764
Half the threads have been moved! Why?!?!?!
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Yeah, something went wrong there. But I think most of that has been sorted out now.
If you see any DHD threads that are still in the wrong place, then please PM the mods about it.

There's loads! Click the link. Half the threads are moved!
I can see 11 on page 1 alone. I'm not listing them all for a mod. This is the second time the Desire HD forum has been messed up...

Well, who wants to be the test subject and flash the other's radio? I would but I'm a broke college student and can't afford a replacement lol.
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AbsolutZeroGI said:
Well, who wants to be the test subject and flash the other's radio? I would but I'm a broke college student and can't afford a replacement lol.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App
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lol, there is always someone willing to try it, but not me, I can't afford a replacement phone at the moment.

AbsolutZeroGI said:
Well, who wants to be the test subject and flash the other's radio? I would but I'm a broke college student and can't afford a replacement lol.
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I've made a couple of posts up in the dev threads on this. Specifically, we have what appears to be a significantly newer radio version (just based on the numbers being higher numerically, not that scientific I know lol) for the DZ Egypt ROM.
Now *if* we could verify this is fine for the G2, it may benefit a lot of G2 owners to be able to try it out. DZ owners can try it too though.
I was asking in those threads if someone who's a bit of a radio expert could perhaps try it (e.g. those involved with writing gfree to unlock our radios).
DO NOT TRY THIS YET UNLESS YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING
(sorry for shouting )

By the way guys, remember the G2 and DZ are both codenamed "Vision" by HTC.
So we can always start referring to "Vision" in threads if we're talking about issues which will affect both phones (i.e. not specific to stock ROMs).

Whats up with the roms lately?

I just wanted to get a feel/consensus on peoples opinion of the third party rom scene for the EVO. I started my XDA days back with a tilt, and have been loyal to HTC since then.
The EVO is simply the best phone out there at the moment, IMO. But the roms seem to be very lacking in actual substance and it's a bit disappointing.
Almost every rom I've looked at here has been so customized and themed they are really just eyesores. It was normal on all my other devices to have some of the roms that were being produced be like this, but not all. I've been really impressed in the past with HTC roms. Dutty is one of my favorites.
The only 2 current exceptions I've found are CM and Fresh, and since some of us refuse to use sense, it really only leaves one choice.
CM is awesome, and the work that goes into it is really really amazing. There isn't a bunch of customization to the UI, it's left up to you what you want to do for how your phone looks. It's a rock solid foundation to build upon, and it would be awesome to see more roms in that form.
Thoughts? Am I missing something?

This is the wrong section, the General section would be the appropriate section for this.

this should be in general, but i agree it seems that lots of roms out there are just customizations of existing roms, a color change here and there. There really isnt anything major to differentiate between sense roms, except for 3 or 4 big ones, and then there is CM rom, and the roms based of CM seem like just themed version of CM, but who knows i mean im not a developer, maybe theres only so much one can do as far as development.

easedrop said:
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The EVO is simply the best phone out there at the moment, IMO. But the roms seem to be very lacking in actual substance and it's a bit disappointing.
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Thoughts? Am I missing something?
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Better get started developing.

What else do you want the ROM's out there to do?:
OC: Check
Undervolt: Check
AOSP Builds: Check
Open Source 4G: Check
De-odex: Check
Wide Variety of Themes: Check
Open Source FM Radio: Check
Wireless Tether: Check
Wired Tether: Check
Gingerbread: Check
AND THE LIST GOES ON...
What I'm trying to say is, unless your speaking specifically about HDMI, there's really not a lot left to be desired that can't be had from these phones until Honeycomb hits.
I mean, CM even supports SIP accounts natively...among the millions of other small details that are so amazing.
Even DLNA can be had through a simple app...what's left for you to want so badly that your phone cannot do already?
My point is, is that most devs are not going start over from scratch just for the heck of it, when something so close to optimum potential has already been reached.
Sent from my 4G-Toting, Lightning Smoking, Gingerfied, Cyanogenmodded EVO: Please stand back!

Itotally disagree. I mean, some, yeah, you're right, but look at the mods done to the more popular roms. Not just theming but tweaks, custome apps, etc.
What more do you want form a ROM?
And while, true, some people are married to CM, some are more into Senseui, some Miui.
Everyone has different tastes, and from what I se eon here, there's something for just about everyone.

Thread moved to General.
As per your questions, devs make roms based on their personal taste and, in many cases, general feedback from the users. There are many plain, stock rooted roms out there, and many tutorials in case you want to make your own as well. Also, you can easily theme any rom to your liking. I hope this answers your concern.

i think the ROM's on the evo are pretty strong. My criteria is, do the majority if not all ROM's improve upon stock? Yes. Do the majority if not all the dev's support their ROM's and upgrade in a timely manner? Yes Do the majority if not all the dev's have themes/mods available for their ROMS? Yes. Are there more than one style of ROM's to choose? YES 1. Sense 2. AOSP - MIUI 3. AOSP - CM 4. AOSP - Liquid metal

easedrop said:
I just wanted to get a feel/consensus on peoples opinion of the third party rom scene for the EVO. I started my XDA days back with a tilt, and have been loyal to HTC since then.
The EVO is simply the best phone out there at the moment, IMO. But the roms seem to be very lacking in actual substance and it's a bit disappointing.
Almost every rom I've looked at here has been so customized and themed they are really just eyesores. It was normal on all my other devices to have some of the roms that were being produced be like this, but not all. I've been really impressed in the past with HTC roms. Dutty is one of my favorites.
The only 2 current exceptions I've found are CM and Fresh, and since some of us refuse to use sense, it really only leaves one choice.
CM is awesome, and the work that goes into it is really really amazing. There isn't a bunch of customization to the UI, it's left up to you what you want to do for how your phone looks. It's a rock solid foundation to build upon, and it would be awesome to see more roms in that form.
Thoughts? Am I missing something?
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There are way more. Click my signature and you'll see
my EVO is way cooler than yours

Except your link is broken...

easedrop said:
Am I missing something?
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Yes. MIUI.

the OP ... is expectiong way too much....
you do relize for most.. this is a good little hobby..
so is done around free time...
you want more... you do it! I dont have the skills to even try.
I do appreciate the ones that can... and do.
there are a lot of phones out in the market. and not all phones even have a dev community.. and if they do, it aint that big.
so there are different levels of dev support from phone to phone.
EVO, is way up there in the level of quality devs and community support.

Fixed my sig, forgot i changed the link. But there are a Sh*t ton of choices, my count is at 144 thus far

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Yes. MIUI.
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+1... this.

I've had 4 Android phones:
Evo
G2
MyTouch 3g Slide
Moto Cliq
This forum has more roms, kernels, mods, themes, etc than all 3 of my prior phones combined. Every time I hit the dev section I'm a kid in the candy store. There's fully functioning roms that work with everything and a few that I'm excited to see get better, like MIUI getting 4g.
There's very few phones out there with this much dev support, my friend has an LG vortex. Go find the LG vortex section of the forums. They don't exist.
My point, you have to do some digging but there's something here for everyone. If there isn't, make it! We could always use another dev to try to topple the big dogs.

massive-security-vulnerability-in-htc-android-devices

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...s-emails-addresses-much-more/#affected-phones

Good article
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

Read the article over at Android Central as well. They explain how the sky is not falling over this. You wouldn't know it reading gizmodo or other tech sites.
Sent from my T-mobile G2 using Tapatalk

Yeah and it only affects stock Sense firmware as well

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Yeah and it only affects stock Sense firmware as well
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Sure it is not effecting anyone in this forum because we have rooted our phones and running costum roms, which by the way we had to breach the htc user agreement to do so .but remember majority of htc owners wont root their phones and i bet they are the ones who wont read that article.
my point is its sad to see a company like htc selling phones which enables anyone with a pc to spy on you and if you try to fix it yourself, you have to void your waranty (technically).
i suppose this is what happens when you try to luckdown an open platform. really root access
should be an option out of the box on all android phones.

I'm guessing that non-rooted Desires are affected because they have Sense(?), but the T-Mobile G2 does not have Sense. It does have the "Tell HTC" entry in the settings menu, but I've never gone in there or enabled it as far as I remember. I looked for the HtcLoggers.apk file, but couldn't find it in my /system/apps so I'm guessing I'm safe (though not sure if that is because I haven't triggered "Tell HTC" yet or because the G2 ROM itself is safe).
The G2 is not listed on the list of affected phones on the Android Police site, but their list looks a bit incomplete so I'm wondering if anyone has any more specific knowledge about the susceptibility of Desire and G2? (Desire yes, G2 no?)
One interesting thing that may come of this is the escalation of the need to be able to push important patches faster than the current ecosystem allows. I keep hearing talk that Google is working to reduce the fragmentation and delays in shipping new ROMs, but I don't see much happening in practice...

Is it just me, or all the phones listed on their site run at least Sense 3.0?

Just read this before you ask questions.

Hi all xda members, i just like to help you to solve your problems as fast as possible. Being answered correctly and being solved fastly and accurately.
I am putting this because i had found large number of posts in which people got in trouble, just because they havent asked their doubts correctly. Also not all phones have same specifications so that a common answer may not be applicable for every one to solve problems.
So its all about the way of asking a question in the forum. Please read and follow these whether you are posting a new thread or just in middle of a discussion.
Always read stickies before you post. They are put on top because they can solve most of your doubts, and they can help you to understand what you should/ shouldn't do.
Before asking a question please mention your wildfire specifications including.
Rom
Kernal
Radio
Hboot
S-on / s- off
Tweaks / coustomizations you installed.
Memory card partitions info.
Then you must explain what happened,when you try what.
Eg. My phone got boot loop error when i installed "xxxx script"
If you are trying to learn some thing never ask in parts, ask fully.
Eg. I want to flash a new custom rom, so from where i should start. And never ask like this ; "i cant instal xxxx rom in my phone. Pls help".
Just make intentions clearely.
Dont blame those who helped you for the reason that they asked you to do a thing and you have done some thing else, which may caused you some problems.
Always remember that a straight and clear question will always give you a staight and clear answer.
If you follow these ways of asking questions , i assure that you may not get into trouble.so folow these simple rules. Be happy.
Regards
Shah.

Good point.
Rom: htc_wwe 2.22.405.1
Kernel: 2.6.32.21-g0f9e9b5 [email protected] #1 Tue Nov 30 13:53:39 CST 2010(!) sooo last year
Radio: well yeah it has a radio I'm pretty sure
Hboot: 0.80.0002
S-on / s- off: ON
Tweaks: replaced sense launcher with launcher2+protips from AVD, rooted, installed live wallpaper support, 'bout it.
So, how come the development board is just for posting ROMs and not for instance custom apps or other app-not-rom related hacking? htc_wwe is different from aosp, you know.

Mmmmm because there is a section called wildfire themes and apps.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

Yes, but looking at it as a development board the snr is abysmal.

Most wildfire developers have moved on to bigger and better phones, what we have left is a small group of equally talented and dedicated developers who are still trying to squeeze life from our "old" phones, there's the app section here which isn't very active because most of the people that can develop for wildfire are busy working on roms.
There is another section on xda called android apps and games I think, that's where I find new apps that are currently being developed.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using xda premium

Well, on average I use a phone for 3 years before moving to a newer model. But as an app developer it's sad to see that for Android you really need to have several different devices in order to truly make your app work for everyone. The Java mantra "write once - run everywhere" does NOT apply (nor does it really work that way on any java platform for that matter). How many times do you read comments such as "does not work on my droid incredible! Bloody murder and death!" in the market? The safest way to make any app is to use HTML, CSS, JavaScript, some other language which begins with a P and a good database to go with it such as PostgreSQL. This has the huge advantage of a more direct "delivery model" as well, rather then going through a market and hoping that someone will find you (and install the updates later on).
Or maybe I suck as a developer and should rather be doing something else. Though many (perhaps even most) apps on the market have likely been written by even bigger idiots then me.

I agree its a daft model, half the apps the market wont let me download because of screen Res etc etc work absolutely fine and a quarter of the other half could probably be fixed by simply decompiling and making slight adjustments to the code, now I'm not a developer, never will be but I can read instructions well and am pretty sure I could make slight adjustments myself but the point is I shouldn't have to..........
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using xda premium

You would have to reverse-engineer the apk back to readable Java, make sense of it all, hack it and hopefully it'll work when you get it to run again. Most of the time, it's probably not going to be worthwhile. For small UI changes you'd only have to decompile the resources and fix the layouts most of the time. This is how crude theme hacks are done (by changing the style xml).
But if it's for a phone, it's still just that. The apparatus was designed as a communication device to tell Scotty 2 to beam up and it does that brilliantly (although there aren't any spaceships flying around the galaxy quite yet that we know of). I counted 211 apps on mine (in the "drawer") so even if I theoretically had 8 hours of time to spend with my phone every day I'd still only have 2 minutes and 16 seconds to play with each one including startup and teardown time until the next day. But as a matter of fact I, for one, do use activities not related to communications more often then those which do. Android tablets (even pre-honeycomb ones) make perfect sense.
tl;dr: don't

[Q] A bit of a lose with Samsung , appreciate some clarification

Presently I am using an AT&T HTC One X. I have never had my hands on a Samsung. I would like some clarification on rooting and using the custom roms.
I know this phone is new to the market and not much other than developers know much about it, but I still am curious. I am reasonably sure I will be switching to the GS 4 after the "hype" cools after the newness wears off.
Until the HTC One X, I used iPhones since the first iPhone 3 and never thouht about rooting or custom roms then came across the root thing and swapping roms, I had no problem with the root stuff or swapping after reading several posts and forums on the HTC One X so the ? is, is the Samsung's that hard or difficult to unlock the bootloader ?( see I don't even know for sure the Samsung has a bootloader).
I have read about the "Gold Card", using a Y cable , etc. is all that a necessary part of rooting ?
With the HTC One X there is a International and a U.S.A (AT&T) version, roms will not interchange, is this the case with the Galaxy S 4?
If there is two versions which is which? ATT code name or number in particular.
In the past with custom roms, what does the Samsung roms have over the HOX roms ? I know HTC sense and like it , I have heard about touch whiz, but what is it?
I know comparison's are illegal in the forums and this is on the verge of comparing but just asking for the difference on some points.

Samsung FOREVER <3 <3 ​

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Samsung FOREVER <3 <3 ​
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Guess this forum isn't as "noob" friendly as stated, unlike the HOX forums. With regards to the type of answer I got here, I might just reconsider the HTC One when due for an upgrade. At least in the forums I use I can at least get some kind of replies.

To be honest, this forum is pretty stupid .. Been here since 2009 and just got back to android and realised this forum became crap. Full of memes and nonhelpful posts.. meh

leesumm said:
Presently I am using an AT&T HTC One X. I have never had my hands on a Samsung. I would like some clarification on rooting and using the custom roms.
I know this phone is new to the market and not much other than developers know much about it, but I still am curious. I am reasonably sure I will be switching to the GS 4 after the "hype" cools after the newness wears off.
Until the HTC One X, I used iPhones since the first iPhone 3 and never thouht about rooting or custom roms then came across the root thing and swapping roms, I had no problem with the root stuff or swapping after reading several posts and forums on the HTC One X so the ? is, is the Samsung's that hard or difficult to unlock the bootloader ?
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( see I don't even know for sure the Samsung has a bootloader).
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Every phone to my knowledge has a bootloader
I have read about the "Gold Card", using a Y cable , etc. is all that a necessary part of rooting ?
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Gold Card is unique to HTC I think, it's not used in Sony phones. I've only ever needed the charger (Micro USB B cable) for unlocking both my Sony Arc and HTC desire HD
With the HTC One X there is a International and a U.S.A (AT&T) version, roms will not interchange, is this the case with the Galaxy S 4?
If there is two versions which is which? ATT code name or number in particular.
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USA usually have their own "custom" built phones. For Code names
In the past with custom roms, what does the Samsung roms have over the HOX roms ? I know HTC sense and like it , I have heard about touch whiz, but what is it?
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Touch whiz is the sense for Samsung, It's essentially Samsung adding their own stuff on top of regular android
I know comparison's are illegal in the forums and this is on the verge of comparing but just asking for the difference on some points.
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You could probably look up reviews.

SevenD2 said:
Every phone to my knowledge has a bootloader
Gold Card is unique to HTC I think, it's not used in Sony phones. I've only ever needed the charger (Micro USB B cable) for unlocking both my Sony Arc and HTC desire HD
USA usually have their own "custom" built phones. For Code names
Touch whiz is the sense for Samsung, It's essentially Samsung adding their own stuff on top of regular android
You could probably look up reviews.
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Thank you for the information, although with all the reading this morning on the GS4 and the HTC one I think I am more confused than before. I still don't know for sure what the difference is between the HTC and the Galaxy as for the root procedure. Then, enters the ODIN thing? Unlocking seems easier with the HTCDEV than whatever the procedure for the GS4, but the software review from Engadget makes the GS4 seem more appealing than the HTC out of box for me anyway. But , still with all the reading there is conflicts as to what I see whether the GS4 can be unlocked. From what I read, HTC is easier to unlock and S-OFF than the Samsung also. AS I understand it , TWRP cannot be used on the GS4 as with the same on HTC and CWM could not in the early stages. I am used to the TWRP for recovery but have used the CWM since it was altered for the HTC. Like some of the DEVS , plastic or aluminum it doesn't really matter as there will a case of some sorts on either one if nothing more than to protect from scratches.
All in all it sounds as if the Galaxy has the better software than the HTC One and IF the devs incorporate the features in the custom roms , it would make the GS4 a better device for me any way. I guess it comes down to the wait period for my upgrade to see what the DEVS come up with for customs and which one will win.