Hi, I bought this Hero on eBay in April, as described in this earlier thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=674267
I unlocked it and successfully used both Orange and o2 SIMs in it, until today.
Now I have a "No Service" message whichever SIM I try to use. I tried cleaning the SIM contacts, restoring earlier Titanium and Nandroid backups and eventually restored the official Orange 2.73.61.66 ROM.
Still no service.
Maybe it's become blacklisted. How can I check this?
Regards,
Mike
there isn't a way to check sadly, have you updated to the lastest radio, it works will all unlocked heros
here's a link
http://www.theandroidkitchen.com/fi...wnload=update-radio-32A-6.35.08.29-signed.zip
You can call up your service provider (either o2 or orange) and check whether the phone is blacklisted.
dom5079 said:
there isn't a way to check sadly, have you updated to the lastest radio, it works will all unlocked heros
here's a link
http://www.theandroidkitchen.com/fi...wnload=update-radio-32A-6.35.08.29-signed.zip
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I love the way you've linked to an out of date radio. My sig has a link to the latest radio (AFAIK).
Thanks for the advice. I'll call the network operators involved.
Can I install the newer radio on the currently non-rooted phone or do I have to root it again first?
Mike
No - but if you update to the latest official release it should also update your radio. Either way is fine. Personally i'd say try the network first - they should give you a straight answer.
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No - but if you update to the latest official release it should also update your radio. Either way is fine. Personally i'd say try the network first - they should give you a straight answer.
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Thanks,
the straight answer from o2 is that the phone is not blacklisted. This seemed like a genuine, considered and helpful response, so it probably wasn't a fob-off but who knows for sure? Maybe I should get that response in writing before I pay to have the phone repaired, if such a repair is a realistic possibility.
Do radio versions become obsolete as they're superceded by newer ROMs?
I ask because from what you suggest above, it seems that wiping the phone yesterday and installing the official Orange 2.73.61.66 ROM, would've installed afresh the radio version associated with that ROM, which still had the phone showing "no service" after the installation.
Maybe installing the very newest ROM will have a better effect.
Because I'm not yet managing to pinpoint the solution, some details of the "No Service" fault might shed enough light for someone to suggest the cause.
Yesterday morning there was "No Service" using the o2 SIM which had been working OK for 4 months. Replaced the SIM with an Orange one, which worked for 10 minutes, allowing calls and texts both ways, then the Orange SIM began to display the "No Service" message constantly after this short period of functionality. This is what made me think that some sort of blacklist process was being introduced by stages, rather than it being a direct functioning/non-functioning hardware or software fault state.
Mike
Completed the 2 part update of 2.1 Orange ROM to see if that would fix the "No Service" problem but no improvement.
I recently found a thread where someone with a HTC Dream pulled the phone apart and reseated the antennae wires to successfully recover from a constant "No Service" problem.
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/4468-antenna-replacement/
Maybe the Hero is sufficiently similar for me to carry out this kind of remedy.
Perhaps I should try to get written confirmation that the phone isn't blacklisted before stripping down the hardware.
Mike
Sounds like you may want to phone orange before opening the phone. I think they have blacklisted the sim or the phone. You may well still have some form of manufacturers guarantee from HTC also.
it was Orange locked, unlocked to o2, worked fine. When you put in an Orange sim, it then decided to say no service. To me, it seems that either didn't like that Orange sim, so have blocked that, or didn't like the phone being on their network, so blocked that. Possible the phone could be an insurance scam, or that the SIM could have been registered as stolen or something (albeit incorrectly).
07973100150 from a landline / other phone. They should hopefully be able to help.
as above, it sounds like it is an insurance scam, where they sell the phone then wait a while and tell the company that it is lost.
its a big problem with buying phones off of ebay; you never know if your phone will eventually be blocked or not.
http://www.checkmend.com/uk/
that is the site that the met police recommend you use to find out if a phone is stolen.
I called Orange and they told me that the phone is blacklisted as it
has been reported "stolen or lost". Orange said that contacting eBay
and resolving the matter through them would get the blacklisting
lifted.
I spent most of the rest of the morning trying to negotiate the eBay
online resolution procedure but it doesn't recognise items bought in
April.
I telephoned to speak to an eBay person and contacted a lady who told
me that the 45 day dispute period was over and my only recourse was to
take the matter to the police.
Maybe there is a PayPal resolution possible so I'll try there next.
I don't see a lot of point in trying to contact the seller under the
circumstances.
Regards,
Mike
Don't contact the seller. I would leave it to Orange and contact the police as well.
Definately phone the police, The seller has commited fraud, or had originally stolen the device themselves. I'm shocked at eBay, they should be helping with this due to fact that, again, it is fraud / theft, disregarding the 45 day policy. I'd see if you can phone again and get someone more understanding.
I agree with btdag, definatley don't contact the seller.
Remember to keep records of all correspondence with police/eBay etc, as this will likely turn out to be insurance fraud, where the seller has reported the phone stolen or lost. By reporting this to the police, along with your proof of purchase from the seller (ideally paypal information showing seller's address), they should be satisfied you actually purchased it, and will likely end up chasing up the insurance company that paid out.
The seller will likely end up being done for insurance fraud here, so make sure you don't do anything which could prejudice legal proceedings, like contacting them. This is a matter for the police now.
Just my $0.02
Thanks for all the good and detailed advice. It's more convincing for the fact that everyone is offering a similar opinion.
There's just one aspect of the situation I'm concerned about. This is based on the suggestion by some people elsewhere, that the blacklisting by Orange could be a mistake. Something that is not uncommon it seems. I'd like to ensure that the blacklisting is not a mistake before I approach the police on this matter.
Once I'm convinced that the blacklisting is for a genuine reason, I'll follow the advice given here with gusto.
Regards,
Mike
use the checkmend site to make sure its actually stolen.
its recommended by the police, after calling orange its your other real alternative in finding out.
i cant see how it is oranges mistake. if it was a fault with your sim, fair enough, but you tried with a different network, no?
personally i wouldnt bother with the police. id just resell it on ebay as faulty and chalk it down to a lesson learnt and never buy a phone off of ebay again.
thats just me though.
This happened to me when I bought an MDA Vario 2 (HTC Hermes) from eBay. ebay won't help as the seller just waits for a few months before committing the fraud. I tried eBay and Paypal with no success, and reported to the Police who were predictably uninterested. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm afraid you're stuffed - lesson learnt, I don't buy phones from eBay any more. T-Mobile customer services told me that it's very common, and that if you buy a second hand phone you should ring the network and register it as yours - that way if someone else tries to report it as "lost" the network won't do it.
Cheers,
Tim
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Hey all the story is this:
I had been using the JASJAR for a couple of months now and suddenly the phone (and I mean only the phone) has stopped working....What happens is that with my Vodafone SIM card I get signal but I cannot make or receive calls....When they call me they get voicemail, when I try to call the phone tries to make a call but after 30 seconds I get ' Call ended'.
I have even upgarded the device to the ROM given by imate and still the same thing happens....The green light flashes but it looks to people calling me that the phone is off.
I contacted Expansys where the phone was bought from and they advised to contact SBE which is imate's service center. I did and they kindly offered to have the phone picked up by courrier and have a look at it. They did and after a week or so they came back with a quote for 100+ pounds for replacing the phones main board! They said that warranty will not cover it because ' it is out of warranty according to the manufacturing date'.
I of course freaked out and spoke to imate on-line support and they advised me that the excuse will not stand and that all phones are covered by their date of purchase and that I should write an email to imate support explaining the situation. I did and the reply outraged me even more....
They said that the spoke to the service center and that they advised them that "it has been verified that the coaxial cable on the device is faulty and this is considered as a physical damage." The phone had NO damage when it left me and it has never suffered any....
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Has this happened to anyone before? What should I do next? They provide lame excuses and they do not honour their warranty....Are they just trying to make more money out of me? Any advise will be appreciated and if anyone has taken a case like this to a cunsumers right association I will be glad to hear from them....I am not willing to give this up...
Thank you in advance,
Argy
PS I have all email and on-line chat on file for anyone that does not believe it....
i had a simaler problem with my a1000 which i got from 3uk
i ended up paying off my contract about the 6month mark and a few month later the phone stopped charging,
i assumed motorola would fix it being the manufacture but they said its outsourced to 3 and they handle all the repairs.
i rang 3uk and they asked me for my account number i advised them that i was no longer a coustomer as i payed off my contract but the phone was still under the 12 manufactures warantie.
they said they wouldnt even look at it as i was no longer a 3uk coustomer and that i would have to speak to motorola, motorola said exactly the oposate and that as it was a 3uk phone it was up to them to fix it.
after numerous calls and letters both from myself and consumer rights nothing was done and eventualy the 12 month past ......
i have it as a paper weight now lol
not relervant to your story but it might help somone else
good look ... dont let them screw you over
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I contacted Expansys where the phone was bought from and they advised to contact SBE which is imate's service center.
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If you bought the phone from Expansys then (in theory) your contract is with them, not with SBE or I-Mate or anybody else.
Expansys should honour their contract with you and provide warranty cover, not refer you to someone else.
I'm no expert in consumer contract law (so I could be wrong) but I believe this to be the case. If it was a mail-order purchase then your rights should be even stronger, I think.
Your best bet might be to contact a Citizens Advice Bureau and find out what their opinion is. I'd have thought they'd examine the small print of your contract with Expansys and then tell you whether you have a valid warranty claim against them or not.
Good luck.
if you paid originally for it on your credit card, they might be able to help aswell.
If you bought the phone from Expansys then (in theory) your contract is with them, not with SBE or I-Mate or anybody else.
Expansys should honour their contract with you and provide warranty cover, not refer you to someone else.
I'm no expert in consumer contract law (so I could be wrong) but I believe this to be the case. If it was a mail-order purchase then your rights should be even stronger, I think.
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I bought the phone as a SIM free phone and not with a contract so I guess this makes things even worse.....but it was a mail order.... To be honest I think we are all totally screwed when it comes to dealing with this kind of problems....they will always say that the fault is ours and we can do nothing to prove it....
argyris said:
I bought the phone as a SIM free phone and not with a contract so I guess this makes things even worse.....but it was a mail order.... To be honest I think we are all totally screwed when it comes to dealing with this kind of problems....they will always say that the fault is ours and we can do nothing to prove it....
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I meant your contract of sale, not the monthly contract for the talkplan.
When you buy something from someone, you make a contract with them. In your case your contract was with Expansys and they have a legal obligation to support reasonable claims of items being unfit for purpose or not in working order.
I contacted Expansys, lets see what they have to say now....
Anyone know of any consuner rights group that might be able to help?
Thanx
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Anyone know of any consuner rights group that might be able to help?
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The UK Government has a website that might help:
http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/
You can call them for a chat too. Might be worth a try.
Or put "uk consumer rights" into Goooooogle and see what comes up.
One interesting paragraph on this page says:
No excuses
The law says it's up to the seller to deal with complaints about defective goods or other failures to comply with your statutory rights. Don't accept the excuse that "It's the manufacturer's fault," although you might also have additional rights against the manufacturer under a guarantee.
Think twice before you buy from a trader who displays a 'no refunds' notice. It is against the law, unless it also tells you that this does not affect your statutory rights .
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I think Expansys have some wriggle room on the guarantee if in the small print of their terms and conditions (that you read and agreed to when you bought the Universal, right? ) it says that they're acting as agents to the manufacturer only. I think that kinda gets them out of warranty obligations and means your contract of sale would be with whoever they mention in their T&Cs. I've never bought from them though, so I've no idea how they operate.
I think Expansys have some wriggle room on the guarantee if in the small print of their terms and conditions (that you read and agreed to when you bought the Universal, right? ) it says that they're acting as agents to the manufacturer only. I think that kinda gets them out of warranty obligations and means your contract of sale would be with whoever they mention in their T&Cs. I've never bought from them though, so I've no idea how they operate.
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You are right, I did a bit of searching in some goverment sites and it states that when they act like agents you cannot blame them for anything....you have to take it up with the manufacturer.
Some useful stuff I found out are:
http://www.dti.gov.uk/ccp/topics1/facts/distancesell.htm
http://www.euroconsumer.org.uk/
http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/links/index.shtml
I think everyone should take a quick read and finally know their rights....
Final Update!!
Since neither i-mate nor SBE would reply to any mails I finally paid for the repair of the phone. The guy I spoke to on the phone admited that they have a lot of Jasjars in for repairs and at most of them the warranty is not honoured....
This is a warning for all people wanting to buy one! DONT! The warranty will not be honoured in case it breaks down and i-mate is only good for advertising.....
DO NOT BUT THE JASJAR!
Would it be the same case trying to get warrenty for the O2 version?
I have had a similar problem and have had enough of O2 and need some advice. 2 months ago I plugged the charger into my XDA Exec and the charger port got pushed back into the phone. So I was a bit annoyed that this would happen but I took it to the O2 shop who said it's not a problem and as the phone hasn't even been out a year it will be under warranty and should be no more than 3 weeks being repaired.
After four weeks I got a phone call saying that it wasn't under warranty and that the cost for repair would be £350 because they had to replace some sort of chip. I know this isn't true as the phone worked perfectly it just couldn't be charged. So I said I would not pay this and I wanted it returned. After a week still no sign of the phone I called O2 to tell them the whole story and they said that it could be repaired under the warranty and it wasn't a problem, I just had to send it straight to the repair centre without going through the shop.
I sat and waited until today 2 months after the phone originally broke and it got delivered back to the O2 shop.
I think it's disgusting that this has happened and wondered what my next plan of action should be??
argyris said:
I think Expansys have some wriggle room on the guarantee if in the small print of their terms and conditions (that you read and agreed to when you bought the Universal, right? ) it says that they're acting as agents to the manufacturer only. I think that kinda gets them out of warranty obligations and means your contract of sale would be with whoever they mention in their T&Cs. I've never bought from them though, so I've no idea how they operate.
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You are right, I did a bit of searching in some goverment sites and it states that when they act like agents you cannot blame them for anything....you have to take it up with the manufacturer.
Some useful stuff I found out are:
http://www.dti.gov.uk/ccp/topics1/facts/distancesell.htm
http://www.euroconsumer.org.uk/
http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/links/index.shtml
I think everyone should take a quick read and finally know their rights....
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This doesn't work like that in all country's ! In Holland they suppliers is responsable, the is : The name in Header on the bill. They could say the're only agents, but when they give you a bill with their name on it, you bought it for tehm, thus; they are responable...
NO FINEPRINT CAN EVER OVERRULE ANY LAWS....
Hey all,
I got my phone back today and guess what???? It does not charge or gets recognised by the computer....It was returned with a QTEK ROM although it is a Imate phone....
I am now sure this imate/SBE thing is all a nice scam that rips people off....
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Hey all,
I got my phone back today and guess what???? It does not charge or gets recognised by the computer....It was returned with a QTEK ROM although it is a Imate phone....
I am now sure this imate/SBE thing is all a nice scam that rips people off....
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If you paid for the repair then sue them for not repairing - find their local trading standards office in the UK to complain to, complain to your VISA company etc etc.
Do you have anyone in the UK who can do this for you?
Richard
rICHARD,
I told them that I did not get what I paid for and I am expecting a repair. They came back saying that they do provide warranty for all repairs they make so they will accept it back and repair it without any more cost for me....
The only thing to do is wait and see....I will post back any news....
Why not report them for piracy to HTC / Microsoft? I am led to believe loading a rom from one manufacturer onto another's device amounts to software piracy as your software was bought from i-mate and you now have Qtek's O.S.....
Expansys
I bought mine through expansys you have to show proof of purchase, you can get this by emailing expansys or digging up your old email confirmation. The rest of your problem seem to be bs.
1.) email I-mate [email protected]
2.) If I-mate gave you an rma number you don't pay for anything
3.) once you get you phone in prepare to wait
argyris,
Have you tried to insert another SIM card in the phone?
I have this weird problem with the JJ. I have 2 SIM's with 2 different Operators. The JJ works just fine with one SIM .....
BUT, when I insert the other SIM, I can make calls normally, but I can receive only ONE call (i mean it, ONE), after that the damn thing won't receive calls anymore!
After trying to make calls for several times it does work, but again, one incoming call and that's it.
I tried that SIM in the 8800, it works just great.
Anybody has an idea on what's going on?
Thank you guys..
I need to go about returning my 8125 to warranty exchange. Problem is, I did not purchase the phone, rather bought it brand new off of someone else. (who bought it from cingular) The other person is unwilling to do the exchange. Excluding the issue of the reasons for the exchange, and any physical damage (there is only scratches) could I do a warranty exchange without the involvement of the seller? I plan to say the phone keeps freezing. Worked with my razr.
Also, I flashed the phone to a new rom, will this void the warranty? Do i have to flash back to summiter's stock rom? Thanks a lot.
1) Normally Cingular's gonna want some sort of proof of purchase. Since the phone's not been out more than a year though you might be lucky on that point.
2) It had better have the STOCK ROM (not summiter's not Mr. Clean not anything custom, STOCK) before you send it in. Otherwise they're gonna know you messed with it.
where can i get the stock rom
Well according to this link http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/161 one of the ROM's available from Summiter is infact the original ROM. Summiter must have backed it up before starting to play with it, I guess.
If the rom is still a cingular rom will not void warranty.
If not -
This is the stock rom ftp://[email protected]/Wizard/Roms/Cingular/Cingular_RUU_1.8.11.1.WWE.ship.exe
If the device is supercid unlocked then do a simple downgrade - if not you will have to go down this path. http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=47848
This sucks
I have the same problem got it brand new on ebay everything was wrapped in original box including the sim card. the touch screen is having issues the bottom part wont' do anything. tried to call cingular the would not help .. i explained that i am a cingular customer but i have the phone so i can use it on a data plan with t mobile and they would not help at all told me that if i didn't get the item from them or their authorized seller they will not help. I have been on the phone wiht HTC america a total of 4 hours back and forth and they won't help. look sell it on ebay...... and call it a day. I will never purchase another cingular branded phone. thinking of switching to tmobile but their service sucks. sprint out of the question i have too many unlocked phones big investment and i refuse to be locked to one phone using sprint or veriozon. the entire deal sucks.... they should sell phones like in europe walk in the store get a phone at the phone's price not at some larger price just to line the fat greasy pockets of cingular ceo's they tricked me inot migrating my good at&t plan they told me that i had 15 days to decide and i can cancel but when i asked for my at&t plan they tell me some story about they don't have th plans anymore. I still have th at&t sim so what give the whole think sucks. lets move to europe
Did you tell them you didn't buy it from them? I've done several exchanges and they have never asked me that. They just ask for the IMEI number (which identifies it as a Cingular phone and the model) and then process the exchange. Whatever you do, do NOT volunteer the fact that you got it elsewhere and you should be OK, but yes return it with the stock ROM
stock rom
you mean i can go to the store without a reciep and get a replacement
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the entire deal sucks.... they should sell phones like in europe walk in the store get a phone at the phone's price not at some larger price just to line the fat greasy pockets of cingular ceo's
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Now this is a logical fallacy. Have you even bothered to price the cost of a Wizard in the UK? If they were priced the way you say, you'd be paying a whole lot more for them. Retail price on an unlocked Wizard is between $600 and $700 USD. Retail price on a locked unit (ie, just walk into a store in the US and buy it straight out) is $450. With a contract from either T-Mobile or Cingular you can get them from $0-$100.
When you buy used on eBay you always take a risk. Without a proof of purchase, the store/carrier is really under no obligation to warranty the phone for you. Sure, many times they will but it is silly to assume that they have to do it. If you wanted that level of service you would have bought from the store in the first place. Nothing says you can't walk into a retailer, buy a phone and not get a contract.
If you've got a defective phone you really should be taking it up with the guy who sold it to you on eBay as fully working.
hello wait a minute
I got it on ebay and the guy who sold it said it was brand new now i can't get in contact with him. the contact info that ebay has is a po box. they guy won't return my calls. He sent me one email asking me for the imie number after i gave him that number all of a sudden the phone would not boot into windows. The inial problem was the touch screen now the entire thing is toast. Should I call my credit card company and dispute the charge.
Just giving someone an IMEI number should not cause a boot failure by itself, however the simply fact that he asked for it is somewhat suspect as there is no legit reason for a seller to need to ask a buyer for the IMEI number of a phone after it has been sold.
I'm not saying this is your case, but the first thing that pops to mind is insurance fraud. A popular eBay scam right now is to sign up for phone service and get an expensive phone for free. The person in question will also get phone insurance. Then they put the phone up for sale and collect the cash, while at the same time reporting it to the carrier as lost or stolen. The phone then gets replaced and they have both cash in hand as well as a new phone.
In much of the world (ie all over Europe) this doesn't work well as IMEI blocking has been implemented by the carriers there. If a phone is reported lost or stolen the IMEI is added to a database and none of the cooperating networks will allow it to register. In the US this hasn't happened yet on the GSM networks. With the CDMA networks they tie to the ESN on the phone and will block a lost or stolen phone (as well as one with an outstanding balance).
Regardless, had the IMEI been blocked by the carrier, you would not be able to make calls but the Wizard should still boot up and function as a PDA. Of course, if the seller was trying to pull insurance fraud that would explain why he asked for the IMEI and is now ignoring you. It would be rather simple for the seller to do a warranty exchange with Cingular on your behalf, but if the phone was reported lost or stolen he wouldn't exactly want to be phoning up Cingular and asking them to service the phone.
Just some idle speculation.
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I got it on ebay and the guy who sold it said it was brand new now i can't get in contact with him. the contact info that ebay has is a po box. they guy won't return my calls. He sent me one email asking me for the imie number after i gave him that number all of a sudden the phone would not boot into windows. The inial problem was the touch screen now the entire thing is toast. Should I call my credit card company and dispute the charge.
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I believe that you should contact EBay or Paypal and your credit card number to put the case on the dispute...let them know that the item not in working condition as they advertise. You may spent a lot of effort and time for it but at least..... this will make the seller to contact you and deal with you again.
Format has failed
I was able to flash the rom. The flashed completed but it still freezes at the start up screen it says the following:
IPL 2.25
SPL 2.25
GSM 02.25.11
OS 2.25.11.1
its stuck onthe Cingular logo screen. When I try to do a hard reset it give the error message
format has failed.....
Can this device be saved?
Sounds like it is having trouble initializing a section of the flash. My guess is that there's a bad flash chip on there. If I ever saw that on my Wizard I'd be on the phone asking for a warranty replacement.
How do i get the replacemente
How do I get the replacement. I got it off Ebay. Will HTC give me a replacement if so please send me a number where I can contact them.
update of my situation
Well still no reply from the seller so I called the credit card company and dispute the charge. i have copies of the guys ad... and copies of the rude emails he sent me. The credit card company told me just hold on to the defective phone and the emails and they will take care of it.. Apparantly the seller was working from a Post office box he was pay apal verified. I just hope no one else falls victim to this guy.
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you mean i can go to the store without a reciep and get a replacement
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No. Do it online or through the phone. (Online is easiest)
Like a lot of people, I've had problems with my trinity/sd card since the 'phone came out. To this day, Orange technical department claim there is no problem with the 'phone, even tho' we all know several of us have contacted Orange about this issue, and HTC have acknowledged there is a problem.
The way I see it, Orange technical are lying, and since HTC themselves know there is a problem then it follows that Orange are knowingly supplying faulty goods to their customers, in the hope that people will just accept their responses, or will hold off long enough for HTC to release a fix.
If you've had contact with Orange regarding the SD card problems with your trinity, please put your name down in this thread. It's about time we stopped putting up with their substandard service.
Thanks.
I have had no probs with my card, so what is this problem and how can Orange be lying and supplying faulty goods?
I'm using a 2gb Sandisk
I reported this problem to Orange when I first got the phone, at the time I had a 2Gb Transcend card. They of course claimed to know nothing but did offer to let me borrow another card from one of their shops to see what the problem was.
I've since got a 4Gb TopRam which works OK so I didn't push it any further.
It's not just the card issue, it's the whole Orange customer services farce that's annoying me.
The problem's been with the 'phone since day 1 (February), but like most people with WM mobiles there are glitches, and we wait for a fix, patch or workaround. I was using a 4gig card, but after reading a lot of the posts on here I changed to a 1gig Sandisk, and still have the same issue.
About 6 weeks ago I'd finally had enough, and reported the problem again, to be told the technical department had no knowledge of this issue, and that the 'phone works fine and supports memory cards up to 512Meg (even tho' HTC say it supports up to 2Gig). However, technical would look into it, and report back. Instead, technical marked the issue as resolved, no problem with the 'phone, and the customer had been contacted, when I hadn't. It was also at this time that one of the handset people at Orange told me I should have flashed the 'phone and tried the WM6 rom, as Orange fully support people upgrading their 'phones themselves! (which would, obviously, invalidate the warranty)
2 weeks go by, in which I heard nothing, and again I get through to someone who presumably sounds like he knows what he's doing (anyone having regular dealings with Orange will know this is a rare occurance). After a brief chat about the issues, he admits they know about the problems with the m700, but that's not official, and off the record. He also states a little-known tidbit in that the cost of the 'phone has nothing to do with the contract, therefore if there is any problem with any 'phone, so long as it still receives and makes calls, Orange can basically wash their hands of the problem. This is in contradiction to the fact that most 'phones are sold in accordance to price plans, the dearer the 'phone the more expensive the monthly contract and/or upgrade fee. After a bit more waffling, he offers to upgrade my 'phone with a Nokia, wiping the upgrade fee, scrapping my contract and starting a new 12 month plan, as there was an issue when I got the 'phone in which I was basically swindled into taking an 18 month contract due to the cost of the 'phone and it being a brand new model - even tho' 5 minutes ago I was told the 'phone price has nothing to do with the contract. This annoyed me, since, as far as I'm concerned, it isn't an upgrade. My 'phone doesn't work as it should, it never has, and it's simply an exchange from a faulty 'phone to a working one. Apparently Orange don't work that way.
Another 2 weeks go by, during which I cannot get hold of the above person, and eventually I'm put through to a team leader. After going through all this again, he informs me that the person described above has no authorization to offer the exchange that he did, and that Orange couldn't do anything. After half an hour or so, he admitted I didn't sound like someone just chancing my luck and after a free upgrade, and, as a long time Orange customer, he would authorize a new 'phone, scrap this current contract and start a fresh one, as if I was a new customer, and waive all the upgrade fees. Again, annoying since it's worded that way, but at least we're making progress.
2 weeks go by, and nothing. Apparently, he's tried to ring me back and there was no answer, but being in the mobile 'phone industry he's obviously forgotten there's such a thing as caller id and missed call logs, and has been for years.
As can be seen on this very forum, there are umpteen posts about the p3600 and SD card issues, about HTC knowing there's a problem, and even releasing patches for the likes of the Artemis, and that HTC have even enlisted the assistance of Microsoft's WM division to try and resolve the issue. And yet, Orange deny there is a problem with the 'phone.
HTC nor Orange don't intent to do anything about this by the looks of it. I spoke to both and Orange has no idea and HTC (UK) said that Trinity only supports up to 2GB cards.
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The Trinity has a hardware problem that HTC can't still fix by now. Go search for some posts. There is currently NO solution available
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Their theory is that there's a problem with the HW/OS that interact with the SD card whenever there's a power event, probably lies in the cache or the controller, creating corrupted filesystem data, when unfortunately being actually flushed to your card, would actually inflict real damage.
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I don't know about the scope of your search in google - but it's a pretty big problem here in this forum
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Thanks for your email regarding your P3600.? The issue you describe is something we are aware of and are currently in the process of rectifying.? It seems to be linked in some way to the latest updates to Windows Mobile 5 and as such we have also enlisted Microsoft's help in solving this.? It seems that the device is accessing the memory while it is in an idle state.
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This whole thing is utterly ridiculous. I don't know about people who use other networks, but Orange are appalling at sorting out their customers. Orange are supplying 'phones that don't work. They know about it. HTC knows about it. In the meantime we're getting screwed by a company that doesn't want to address their customers. If Tesco, Currys or any other company has a product that is faulty, it gets a product recall. If it's Orange, it's tough luck, it's only the customer that's losing out. And that's wrong.
OK, whilst I appreciate that you may be having problems, you will have a hard job in demonstrating that the m700 model is generally faulty, and unfit for purpose.
I am sure Orange may have more customers using the m700 without problem, then those with problems.
If your phone is not working properly then you need to return it for exchange. If its an SD card issue then you need to use another make or type
The m700 is a computer device, and as such there are many configurations and accessories which may or may not work. That is a valid argument for Orange
Also remember that Orange brand their phones, so just because HTC say one thing about their units, does not mean that an Orange branded unit has the same performance or specification.
Also you need to escalate your complaint if the normal operator can not deal with it, but you must remember to confine your argument to the facts specific to you, and not make sweeping statements. Most of the time when dealing with call centres, it is not what you say, but how you say it
Hello everyone.
I've been searching the forums and have yet to find a solution (at least one that I can perform).
Any way, I have a Softbank X01HT which is a re-branded HTC Hermes.
I purchased the phone in September 2007 from a shop in Hong Kong. I live in the UK and have been using my phone happily for the past 5 months. My phone was blacklisted bout 2 days ago and despite having kept the original box and receipt from the store as a proof of purchase, it seems there is nothing my network (T-Mobile) is able or willing to do.
Is there anything I can do to legally lift this Blacklist of my phone? If not does anyone know how to change the IMEI.
At the moment, I feel very upset about all this because I have bought this phone legitimately and have been using it for 5 months, and NOW... someone can just blacklist my phone?
I have read that there is a solution by using 'Wizard Service Tool' but I need to do something like change it's SPL to 1.1.1. Does anyone know where to obtain the SPL 1.1.1 and how to install it?
Thank you for much in advance and please please please spare me from comments like 'ITS ILLEGAL'. I realize that by UK law it is a crime punishable by 5 years imprisonment. However I have a genuine phone that was purchased legally and I have everything to go with it! If changing the IMEI of a phone that I own to an IMEI of another phone I own is illegal.. well.. thats just stupid.
dont know of any way to change the imei but
you could try to contact the police and ask their advice
being that it's usualy them who have the stolen phone's
imei's reported to and who have them blocked
i would likely have some advice
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Isnt that a bit off-topic harrio?
Thanks for the advice Rudegar but I have already contacted the police. They can find no record of a stolen phone with that IMEI and they even reffered me to the Mobile Crime Unit, who dont have any idea about the number being blacklisted. They recomended I talk to my network who said they cannot/will not do anything.
it would make sense to be that there would be some higher place to take it
to make sure that no phone company blacklisted phones of people who simunlocked and
left the company for the compatitions
maybe thats a thing to look into
first step would prob be to try another network sim to make sure that it's a general blacklist
Yeh I have tried. It seems to be blacklisted on most netwokrs but works on Orange.. strange? The funny thing is I bought the phone without a contract already unlocked in Hong Kong so there would be no reason for the network to even blacklist it.
In Australia, we have a "Telecommunications Ombudsman" who we can escalate matters to after exhausting options with our phone company.
Is there something like that for you?
It does sound unfair - good luck with it.
Oggy.
Contact the Citizens Advice Beaurau. There must be something you can do.
If all else fails get the police/mobile unit to give you some kind of written confirmation on headed letter paper that there is no ban on your number.
Send t-mobile a friendly worded but grievence stating email about there having banned your phone for an undescernable reason. State in it the dates and times of your previous calls.
Then get your hands on a legal 'Cease and Desist' letter template from somewhere and send something like this:
WITHOUT PREJUDICE: IMMEDIATELY CEASE AND DESCIST.
Dear Sir,
I am contacting your company (Herafter refered to as 'You') on behalf of *your name* (Hereafter refered to as 'The Client') to inform you that Your blacklisting of The Client's phone is unlawful. This letter calls for you to immediately cease and descist from all such unlawful actions.
Blah blah blah
You'll find templates and guidance for drawing them up on the net. Works much better if you can find the name of some applicable law to drop in.
Make sure you don't specifically state that legal proceedings will definately follow. State that if they fail to comply then legal actions 'may' follow and that their case will be refered to the business ohmbudsman, trading standards, and your local MP.
I should state right off the bat that I'm not a lawyer - I'm a medic. But I have found that cease and desist letters are sufficient to make most organisations instantly start behaving themselves.
Don't forget the 'Without Prejudice' statement - I believe it means something along the lines of you do not wish anything said in the email to harm your rights to compensation etc....It's a very lawyerly phrase anyway so it's always good to chuck in the mix.
You should be able to find guidelines/templates for cease and descist letters on the net
Good Luck!
Citizens Advice Beaurau? Never heard of them. Are they a British organization?
Just to clarify, here is what I've done.
Contacted my provider T-Mobile. Provided them with Receipt of purchase and a box. They did nothing.
Contacted the police. They have no record of a phone being stolen with my IMEI number. They recomended contacting my provider T-Mobile.
Contacted the mobile crime unit in the UK. They said that that I would have to take it to my provider also as only the mobile phone companies in the UK can unblacklist.
Anything else I can do?
Does T-Mobile UK have shops like in Germany (called "T-Point")?
The people there were always friendly to me and helpful.
Randvegeta,
I would walk down your nearest high street, find a T-Mobile shop, walk in with all your evidence and don't leave until they have sorted it. It is essential that you are polite but firm.
One thing that puzzles me; you live in the UK but have never heard of the Citizens Advice Bureau (CAB)? Strange.
WB
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Randvegeta,
I would walk down your nearest high street, find a T-Mobile shop, walk in with all your evidence and don't leave until they have sorted it. It is essential that you are polite but firm.
One thing that puzzles me; you live in the UK but have never heard of the Citizens Advice Bureau (CAB)? Strange.
WB
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I have a hypothesis... it is only a hypothesis so please don't take offense. It can be tested, but maybe not easily. Here it is. You have been scammed, your hermes is not genuine it is a device that failed QC and was discarded by HTC. Your vendor in HK is dishonest. Contact HTC somehow and ask them about the IMEI, explain your situation and find out if they know anything. They should have a record of every phone they manufactured and may be able to tell you whether yours was sent to a retailer or to the garbage bin.
If I'm right at least you'll know for sure what's wrong.
If I'm wrong... well you know that too and maybe you can advance the ball a bit.
Good luck
Ive already been to a T-Mobile shop. Not helpful at all. I beleive Ive almost exhausted all legal options in the UK at least. I think there are only 3 more options.
1: Contact my supplier and ask for help/replacement.
2: Give up on my phone and let it be lost at my expense.
3: Hack/spoof the IMEI.
I think you'll find that T-Mobile don't have to help you as you purchased the phone from an indipendant supplier unless of course it was them who locked it, you are well within your rights to demand a copy of your account information under the Data Protection Act, this could include your account managent info which may identify whether they locked the IMEI or not. I guess the other option is to try and locate who exactly locked the IMEI, not even sure where to start unless you can find a very helpfuls service engineer at T-Mobile.
As said above, contact HTC, they may be able to help, but your first port of call should be the guy who sold you the device.
The shop I bought from.. im fairly sure is quite reputable. It has been arround for a while and is in in the Wan Chai Computer center. I will of course ask but I do not for a moment believe that they sold me a dodgy phone. And it certainly wasnt defective. It was in perfect condition and everything worked. Besides, there are hundreds of legit shops in HK selling the exact same phone. I just bought it from them cuz they had it in Black.
IMEI Barring.
The Flaw Is In The IMEI Blocking Procedure.
I Used To Work For Vodafone And All That Is Required To Bar A Handset, Is An E-Mail Containing The IMEI Only.
Unblocking A Phone However Is A Very Difficult Procedure. The IMEI Ban Database Is Shared Between All Countries Of The EU. Because Of This Most "Stolen" Phones Are Shipped To The Middle East And HK CH JP etc Who Dont Use This Database.
That Said And Done Tho They Should Know The Reason For The IMEI Ban And If Its Because Somebody Reported That IMEI As A Stolen One They Could Check Your Account And See That Your Account Has Been Using That IMEI for The Last 5 Months. And Therefore Couldnt Possibly Be The Stolen One As The IMEI Has Only Been In The Database A Short While.
Its TOO EASY To Make A Typo And Blacklist A Non Stolen Phone.
Prime Example. Your Phones Broke And Gone In For Repair, You Borrow Your Friends Expensive XDA For 2 Weeks While Your Phone Is Repaired, You Give Your Friend His XDA Back and Then Your Newly Repaired Phone Gets Stolen, You Report Your Phone As Stolen And When They Check The System Your Friends IMEI Is The Last One You Were Using On The Account, Employee Doesnt Check Propperly (Copies And Pastes Your Friends IMEI Into A Blacklist Email) And Your Friends XDA Gets Banned.
It Could Prove Quite A Pain To Resolve This Issue..... But...
Call Your Customer Support Desk For Your Mobile Network.
Ask For A TEAM LEADER/MANAGER ( They Can Do Anything For A Customer To Keep Them Happy, Their Privaledges Exceed Those Of Normal Staff And They Can Sort Problems Beyond The Means Of Your Average Callcentre Staff)
If A Problem Gets Escalated To A TEAM LEADER/MANAGER It MUST Be Dealt With. (Company Policy)
They Might Offer For A Team Leader To Call You Back As Their Usually Busy, Althought Your 100% Guaranteed To Get A Callback By A Team Leader As Long As They Werent Jus Fobbin You Off.
I Wish You The Best Of Luck Sorting Out This Mess.
Hey OllieD,
Sound very in depth. Ive already spent hours with T-Mobile with no luck.. but will Vodafone help me out? At least tell me who blacklisted me.
As for this database, is it only Europe wide? Or is is World wide? And if it is EU wide.. are you 100% sure?
Just to clarify to people reading, I am using a SOFTBANK, (Japanese Brand) purchased in Hong Kong, and have been using it since September.
If it is an EU database and not a world wide one, I will need to find out who blacklisted it and contact them.
Thanks very much!
Since you are using Softbank, so it should not be blacklist as it should not be used in EU before. please check carefully your IMEI on the phone label match your IMEI inside the ROM, I think the shop clone a English rom to your phone before selling to you (original Softbank should be Japanese rom) and this clone the IMEI also which IMEI reported as blacklisted. (they clone the rom because of sim locked and change English, what they called it is hard-modify not soft-modify)
I stayed HK and I had 2 phones with same situation (label IMEI were difference to the ROM) but still can be used in China and HK, 5 more phones buy from another shop without problem.
The shops you buy the phone with the phone came from the same dealer, so no luck to change, only some shops you can trust.
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Randvegeta said:
Hello everyone.
I've been searching the forums and have yet to find a solution (at least one that I can perform).
Any way, I have a Softbank X01HT which is a re-branded HTC Hermes.
I purchased the phone in September 2007 from a shop in Hong Kong. I live in the UK and have been using my phone happily for the past 5 months. My phone was blacklisted bout 2 days ago and despite having kept the original box and receipt from the store as a proof of purchase, it seems there is nothing my network (T-Mobile) is able or willing to do.
Is there anything I can do to legally lift this Blacklist of my phone? If not does anyone know how to change the IMEI.
At the moment, I feel very upset about all this because I have bought this phone legitimately and have been using it for 5 months, and NOW... someone can just blacklist my phone?
I have read that there is a solution by using 'Wizard Service Tool' but I need to do something like change it's SPL to 1.1.1. Does anyone know where to obtain the SPL 1.1.1 and how to install it?
Thank you for much in advance and please please please spare me from comments like 'ITS ILLEGAL'. I realize that by UK law it is a crime punishable by 5 years imprisonment. However I have a genuine phone that was purchased legally and I have everything to go with it! If changing the IMEI of a phone that I own to an IMEI of another phone I own is illegal.. well.. thats just stupid.
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http://my.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MyeBayAllSelling&ssPageName=STRK:ME:LNLK:MESX
I clean them.
My gf's old phone broke, and I found a cheap HD2 on craigslist. I went ahead and bought it from the guy. He seemed ok, maybe a LITTLE shady. When I brought it home and told her how I got it, she became worried that if we put her sim card into it, and it IS stolen, a red flag will show up at T-mobile and she might get into trouble.
Is there any way T-mobile can tell who has the phone if it IS stolen? Also, if she ever has to send it in for a replacement through warranty, will she be screwed? I know I shouldn't have bought it off of Craigslist, but it's too late for that now...
Well, you could always call T-Mobile and ask them if it was reported stolen ....
Don't think they will call the police on you , If you tell them you are going to , but I bet they will want to take your name, just in case ...
Lol this whole thread seems shady as hell.
Sounds like the OP might be trying to fish answers for his own endeavors...
lol, i know. it sounds pretty bad, but i assure you, that's not the case.
they can tell if it's stolen. they can tell if more than one person has the same IMEI number. whoever was using the phone will have that IMEI on their account, and if your gf puts her sim card in it, they will be able to see the IMEI from the phone. that's done on purpose, so that if someone does report a stolen phone, and the IMEI turns up on another account, they can flag it. however if it was not reported stolen, then there isn't much they can do as they don't know whether or not the original owner sold it to you or a shady guy on craigslist sold it to you, so reporting to the authorities would be pointless for them, as it may have been a legal transaction. as for calling them, they're probably not going to give you the info if that IMEI is registered in their system, they may not even tell you if it is. but if it has been reported stolen, and the IMEI shows up under a different account it will probably be flagged, I'm not sure what would happen at that point. More than likely rather than calling the authorities they'll just cut off the service to the phone.
Try a prepaid sim card and see if it was IMEI blocked?
well, we put her sim card in it and nothing has happened so far. i suppose it was legit.
If you got it with box, supplies and cables its very low chance that it stolen. Actual price in my local craiglist is really low, but it doesn't mean that most of all are stollen
tmobile dont care if the phone stolen or not. it doesnt really matter.
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My gf's old phone broke, and I found a cheap HD2 on craigslist. I went ahead and bought it from the guy. He seemed ok, maybe a LITTLE shady. When I brought it home and told her how I got it, she became worried that if we put her sim card into it, and it IS stolen, a red flag will show up at T-mobile and she might get into trouble.
Is there any way T-mobile can tell who has the phone if it IS stolen? Also, if she ever has to send it in for a replacement through warranty, will she be screwed? I know I shouldn't have bought it off of Craigslist, but it's too late for that now...
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If that were possible I would like to think they would have told me when my TouchPro2 got stolen... The fact that they didn't mention anything like that leads me to believe they can't tell just by the sim card.
i buy/sell phones on craigslist almost weekly and put my sim in all of them
when i call t-mobile to change the internet plan they always ask me where i bought the phone. i always say from t-mobile and they never say anything about it. guess they cant really tell
hope this helps
Slash8915 said:
My gf's old phone broke, and I found a cheap HD2 on craigslist. I went ahead and bought it from the guy. He seemed ok, maybe a LITTLE shady. When I brought it home and told her how I got it, she became worried that if we put her sim card into it, and it IS stolen, a red flag will show up at T-mobile and she might get into trouble.
Is there any way T-mobile can tell who has the phone if it IS stolen? Also, if she ever has to send it in for a replacement through warranty, will she be screwed? I know I shouldn't have bought it off of Craigslist, but it's too late for that now...
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Hi,
I'm not in the US but i always purchase phones from US and UK on ebay.
Always when i buy phones which are doubt to be stolen or reported as stolen i use this site www.checkmend.com.
They are even recommended by ebay. They claim to have a connection to a database that has all the information on Mobile Phones, Laptops, GPS navigators, etc. Which they can track by the serial number.
In your case you will need to provide them with the IMEI number of your phone and they will give a report on the status of the phone and past owners if they are registered. (they send this report by email instantly. they charge you USD 2.99 for this service. i thinks its quite worth than the risk.)
in my experience I've tried this service twice and a HD that i bought from the UK was returned with a report that said "This item has been blocked during its lifetime by one or more UK network(s)." which means it was reported lost or stolen.
and i even tried my HD2 which i'm using currently which i got from US cos i didn't get any box or accessory with it. But the report came out clear and i am in peace of mind.
Hope this helps.
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in my experience I've tried this service twice and a HD that i bought from the UK was returned with a report that said "This item has been blocked during its lifetime by one or more UK network(s)." which means it was reported lost or stolen.
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usefull site. does it give any detail? i blocked my last phone thinking i'd lost it, 4 weeks later it turned up in a friends sofa, so i had them un block it and used it for another 18months.
i guess that would give the response you gave above..
Someone mentioned the IEM number that is the way they can tell if its stolen. So when and IF you ever take your phone into the store to have the useless sales people help you solve some problem. That is how they will know if its stolen. If there is a way to tell by electronic signal Tmobile simply doesnt care. I asked when I bought mine and they told me to get insurance. I asked how do you know if I dont just keep the phone and get a new one for 100 bucks. IEM number shows up was their answer.
Your IMEI and sim info are constantly broadcast about the cell network, you don't have to go into a store for this information to be picked up.
http://www.numberingplans.com/?page=analysis&sub=imeinr is one of the most common websites for checking your IMEI number (it's free), but do be careful with posting your IMEI/Serial number online at any site. Some are looking for valid IMEI numbers to use illegally.
Damn those shady Craigslist guys...
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when i call t-mobile to change the internet plan
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I could be mistaken but I believe that if you select the G1 unlimited data plan, then any smart phone you have after that will not need to be updated...I am using the G1 plan with my HD2 and it works fine. So maybe you can avoid lying to them.