Hello I am pretty new to these forums and the whole Android thing in general so excuse my ignorance if it appears this way .I am a bit of a tweaker at heart , always messing at PCs , Overclocking etc as you can imagine , so I am getting to grips recently with this phone.
so far i have seen my quadrant scores go from high 800s into 2500 as of tonight, tho i have also seen other models scores increase dramatically with an upgrade to froyo - android 2.2 .
what I am asking is this , can I expect another massive jump in performance when froyo is released along with all the speed fixes and hacks that we have today , or are we only extracting the froyo improves to use with the existing 2.1 software . in other words does the hardware have anymore left to give . Hope this is not long winded
Stephen
well, the improvement in quadrant scores for galaxy s comes atm from the lag fixes that you can find here. with froyo properly optimised, we should see some more points, since jit will bring some more performance to the table.
many thanks from your reply , so you think a reflash from 2.1 with all the fixes will be beaten by 2.2 stock
Depends on how Samsung manages to get past the i/o problems. If the stock 2.2 will have the same problems that 2.1 has, then there's no way in the world a stock 2.2 will beat a lagfixed 2.1, since the problem of lag and stalling comes from the slow write capabilities on the internal memory. Even if the processor flies, when the system tries to write something it can't very fast. I had similar problems with a first gen SSD, all was great untill the system needed to write small files on it, then ... stop ).
For sure, a lagfixed 2.2 will beat a lagfixed 2.1
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I've got a rooted 2.1 stock Vibrant with ryan's lag fix. My quadrant score went from 876 to 2250 which is great. My linpak for android only went from 8.101 to 8.225 mflops. I would really like my mflops to be in the 10-15 range though. It also seems to be running much quicker. Would I see a bigger boost with voodoo or should I just keep ryans lag fix going. Is voodoo just as easy to install to. Also I've been dying for the Frodo OTA. Would both of these lag fixes work for 2.2
Huh. Huhuhuh. He said Frodo. Huhuhuh. Huhuh.
LOL, it's been a funny day today. This is almost as good as the guy who told the noob to put on three lag fixes, so it will be three time's as fast!!! LOL.
Let's all hope Frodo can get the One Ring to Mount Doom in time. Then him and the rest of Samsung dev team might get Froyo done soon. Only then can the world rest and our linpak score possibly rise!
I saw that post to and it was pretty funny. I just want to know the differences between the to lag fixes, and which one is better to have.
How about try them both and you be the judge of it? Results vary on people's setups. If I were you, I would wait for a more stable version of VooDoo.. I have applied it but many people have reported having problems detecting their SD card (external and internal). To fix this, you'd have to restore your apps using Titanium Backup etc etc.
I would definitely say VooDoo, I have used RyanZA and VooDoo. But since you're a new user, I'd just wait for the more stable version.
Does Voodoo reformat the entire SD to ext4 or does it symlink like Ryan's?
If it changes the whole file system to ext4 then I would say it has to be faster.
thanks foe responses, I will wait until voovdoo goes stable an see the performance myself.
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Huh. Huhuhuh. He said Frodo. Huhuhuh. Huhuh.
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you CANT get 10-15 mflops, if you read how the lagfixes work you would understand what you are measuring. i think with OC you might get mid 9's
Has anyone else noticed that when using NAND Desire HD/Z sense builds that their phone seems to run more smoothly after the 1st day or two running at stock speeds than it does when running overclocked?
I was getting a bit of lag here and there, and as expected after having streamed music literally all night via wifi the phone was a real dog first thing in the morning until the memory cleared out.
I noticed after a couple of days my phone would spontaneously reboot - I was overclocking to 1.5ghz using MDJ's 10.3OC kernel, so I figured that it was the overclock causing the reboot - sure enough the phone runs smooth as glass now that I've throttled it back to 1ghz (interactive governor).
Is it just my imagination?
It is hard to say really, as you will have different apps, widgets and syncs set up to me, plus we are running different builds, thus a direct comparison is very hard.
All that matters is what works for YOU.
FYI I don't find any meaningful benefit by overclocking. So I don't bother. I haven't really noticed a speed difference either way. If however it made a positive difference, I would.
Just for the record, benchmarking and Quadrant scores are nothing more than a waste of time and are only useful for arguments starting with the words "Mine is better than yours because...".
Curiousity always gets me to run Quadrant, but having seen varied phones with roller-coaster scores, I know the scores are not really any kind of valid gauge for real world performance.
I'm going to run my phone at stock speeds for the rest of the week and see how it does. I've got a feeling it will be running a lot smoother.
Hi, sorry about this lame excuse for OP but apparently I need 10 posts before I post anything on the related forums
Anyway, I'll use this and ask a couple of questions anyway.
I've been using Android on my HD2 since I bought it, first on SD and lately on NAND, in the last flashes my phone appears more sluggish.
Used Desire L from dandiest and while it gets great Quadrant scores (above 2000) it's freaking slow, some Ginger builds I get low scores and phone works faster and smoother, tho I hate it's keyboard.
I've done the task29, that apparently formats the phone, and everything. Radio 2.15, Malgr 1.3
Atm using maesusbuild and still sluggish.
is there anybody out there?
Most Android ROMs for the HD2 have over clocking built into the ROM. Some ROM chefs just provide the overclocking for you and let you decide if you want to overclock. Some ROm chefs have it overclocked already. You have to check to see Wichita is the case with each ROm usually. If the ROM you have sluggish behavior with is not overclockedcalready try slightly overclocking and see if it helps.
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Most Android ROMs for the HD2 have over clocking built into the ROM. Some ROM chefs just provide the overclocking for you and let you decide if you want to overclock. Some ROm chefs have it overclocked already. You have to check to see Wichita is the case with each ROm usually. If the ROM you have sluggish behavior with is not overclockedcalready try slightly overclocking and see if it helps.
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if by overclocking you mean messing with SetCpu and increase it's frequency, yep that is weird, for instance, with dandiest Rom I can get the cpu up to 1.5ghz and get 2500 score on quadrant, but playing with it just feels sluggish, on the other hand some ginger roms with 1600 score appear faster.
I know it's weird, maybe an app process killer helps?
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Yes I am talking about SETCPU when I say overclocking. To be honest I have never messed with any testing software to get quadrant scores and the such. But I have read several threads where members get into heated descussions on the reliability of quadrant scores cause as you well know you can get lower quadrant scores than other devices or ROMs but still experience faster and smoother operations than the devices or ROMs with higher quadrant scores. You see as we all know the processor(CPU) is what actually responsible for the speed and smoothness of the operation of the device at its core. But it also depends on how the sofware intractable with the CPU as to the smoothness of operation as well. There for you will get some ROMs that are smooth and fast and some ROMs that are not as smooth and fast. With Android it also has alot Toronto with the kernel too, sometimes changing or modifying the kernel can help with performance. Please don't ask me about how to do this with the kernel though as I am still learning myself. Also yes a good task killer can help some.
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well just to point out. Quadrant is nothing more than a trophy wife. It's only there to show off what may not exist. If it runs smooth, then use it.
Also desire hd and z builds, you can't expect them to run smooth like a gingerbread build, or desire build, it's just like that.
Edit: You can just install another keyboard if you like. A keyboard similar to HTC's own is HTC IME mod. Search it up and you'll find it.
hi again..
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well just to point out. Quadrant is nothing more than a trophy wife. It's only there to show off what may not exist. If it runs smooth, then use it.
Also desire hd and z builds, you can't expect them to run smooth like a gingerbread build, or desire build, it's just like that.
Edit: You can just install another keyboard if you like. A keyboard similar to HTC's own is HTC IME mod. Search it up and you'll find it.
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I may try a ginger build and a different keyboard.
Now I'm having a problem, bought a 16gb adata card and last night started getting some errors, took it out and ran h2testw and it worked ok, can it be the rom?
thx for the tip
if I install with CWM can I change the keyboard inside the zip?
Iunno, i'm not familiar with building roms and such. Anyways it doesn't hurt to just install the keyboard after the rom is booted.
For the sd card, try format it will panasonic formatter, full format btw.
2.1 got 7 mflops,2.2 roms got 5 mflops and 2.3 roms 8 mflops but looks slow because 2d is not compiled from source.
Then what rom is fastest?
Well, 2.1 gets 7MFLOPS in linpack, but no more than 400-500 points in quadrant advanced, while 2.2 gets those 5-5.5 points in linpack but 1200 and above in quadrant advanced, if OCed. Now, what's the conclusion? Don't look at benchmarks, look at user experience.
Truth is, eclair and froyo are performing quite similarly. Some games lag in both, some in only on distribution. As far as homescreen and menus go, I feel that my GO launcher EX runs more smoothly on froyo than on eclair, while froyo is even more loaded with apps then my phone was back in its 2.1 days. And bear in mind that it's a "heavy" launcher with lots of additional features, like app killer.
So, the conclusion is, that froyo may in fact be a bit faster, but not much, and it may be due to better memory management of a newer android version. What is important, we get native app2sd, CM settings and other cool stuff if we use a custom ROM.
As far as 2.3 distributions are concerned, I cannot comment, as I never had one for more than one day, they were either laggy, or had no camera, or had other bugs. I'll wait 'till a functional one comes out, then I'll test it extensively
Since the day one I think i got a "broken" phone, why? it seems like any rom i install runs slower in my device than in any of you here, i can't oc too much, i always get from 250-450 less points in the benchmarking.
It really frustrates me, yesterday i almost broke (im a pacific man) my phone from a punch, I think I will just install a 2.1 or 2.2 for daily use and let it with just the minimal needed apps, it gets on my nervs too much.
So yeah, if you could share your experience so I can compare...
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Benchmarks =/= Real performance
Edit: I normally score 1000 less then others Yes 1000
Sometimes my phone stops responding for minutes. I get that angry that I flash a different ROM.and it becomes even worse every month I think but hey I just don't care for now. It is not a high end phone.
Today my phone stopped being able to do anything Facebook app is too heavy battery pull is the only way to get it back working but on the other hand I'm typing this now and my phone actually responds like a stock one you'll have to live with that. And benchmarking isn't the world, my CPU scores are getting lower every Mark like grift's ..
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I can relate, i have a p500 optimus t which is a optimus one i guess. Owned it for like 3-4 yrs now just around 3 1/2 4 yrs into owning it i found out i could update it to GB 2.3.3. I did that and i really didnt understand the change other than the look. Plus i was told that my phone wasnt able to be updated from 2.2.2 by the tmobile techs "Well, yea it can bub" lmao but i see many flaws p500 has with speed, i try to understand the roms and now i see the differents, going on youtube and watching people overclock and playing highly rated fps games on the same phone i have...WTF how can i do it. I follow their instructions, but i take it that its not to the T. I still end up unable to overclock it right and not able to match their performance ON THE SAME DARN PHONE!!! So i ended giving up for a while cuz i wanted to throw the phone into the trash but now i can relax cuz im starting to understand it more. :laugh:
Its the cpu degrading i guess.... But now my gt540 has a half dead screen Its lucky yours is still in usable form
Nah, benchmarking was just a way of showing how my cellphone sucks .
Well, I think I will just stay with some 2.1 or 2.2 D:
Dont think that way! You score 400 less and i score 1000 less :good:
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Dont think that way! You score 400 less and i score 1000 less :good:
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Only difference is that you own a SII lol!
I think the thing that is happening to you is because OC has degraded your processor... My phone have 1.5 years old and mantains the same speed and even gets better with newest and more optimized roms (ex. sdsl)+scripts and some tweaks. I don't use OC or swap... I only used a little OC for the first versions of ICS, then nothing. With swap on ICS I feel that my phone is slower than without. Yes, i have less app-kills but restoring apps from swap on sd is too slow (on my class 4 SD card) :/
Nonono i mean my old gt540 I used to use swap on my gt540 o.o class 4 8gb card
yeah i had a gt540 for one year and so far no lagg. i am using stock 2.1 rooted and i reckon stock is the best
rom out there. i havent flashed for a long time so i decided to flash ICS today and see how it goes.
If your phone starts feeling laggy or slow just flash a KDZ rom to it and it will be normal again.
Almost all problems are solved when u flash a KDZ rom.