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I put on the new Voodoo Lag fix and have had no problems. My phone is as fast its ever been. Because before that I was using ryanzas lagfix on the market and kind of made my phone faster. So I removed ryanzas and put on the voodoo, and found I could still apply ryanzas, so I did and my phone is super fast. At least I feel like its faster. So for the devs I know this isnt a q&a but is this actually working, and can u guys apply this into ur future work?
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I put on the new Voodoo Lag fix and have had no problems. My phone is as fast its ever been. Because before that I was using ryanzas lagfix on the market and kind of made my phone faster. So I removed ryanzas and put on the voodoo, and found I could still apply ryanzas, so I did and my phone is super fast. At least I feel like its faster. So for the devs I know this isnt a q&a but is this actually working, and can u guys apply this into ur future work?
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curious what tests have you run to determine it is indeed faster? I need to go back and read through Ryanzas lagfix but from memory I thought it created an EXT partition just as the Voodoo lag fix does.
If this is the case there would be no speed improvement as your system is only using one EXT partition so running the 2nd lagfix does nothing or changes the size of the EXT partition created by Voodoo.
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curious what tests have you run to determine it is indeed faster? I need to go back and read through Ryanzas lagfix but from memory I thought it created an EXT partition just as the Voodoo lag fix does.
If this is the case there would be no speed improvement as your system is only using one EXT partition so running the 2nd lagfix does nothing or changes the size of the EXT partition created by Voodoo.
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Ok so all I do is try to make my phone faster when I have time. But I partioned my sd on my mytouch with amon ra then I put my sd on ext 4. Than I ran the voodoo lag fix using the the deodex rom. Voodoo lag fix put my quadrant scores at 1700 about which seems realistic. Because with ryanzas I was getting 2400-2500. But I only had 500mb of app space left bcuz of the partition. But after voodoo I have 1.4mb and I ran ryan zas on top of that and I have the same 1.4mb left. I think I can run both because the voodoo lag fix is a system partition and ryanzas is only virtual. At least thats what I think thats why im asking for help. But I run about about 2000 to 2100 on my quandrant scores and my phone has no lag at all.
I say try it if u can because my phone has never been faster. I dont know why it works but I believe it does because I can see and feel a difference in the phone. Everything runs so smooth. Its fantastic!!!!
Why stop there? Install another lagfix and I'm sure your phone will be 3X as fast!!!
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Why stop there? Install another lagfix and I'm sure your phone will be 3X as fast!!!
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lmao!
my sides hurt.
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Why stop there? Install another lagfix and I'm sure your phone will be 3X as fast!!!
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Haha smart a** I just need someone else to try it it and tell if it works? Or explain to me why it wouldnt or doesnt?
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Haha smart a** I just need someone else to try it it and tell if it works? Or explain to me why it wouldnt or doesnt?
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Rsfaze already explained to you why it wouldn't, both of the fixes do the same thing and by doing the same fix twice they do not combine to give you double the benefit.
Imagine your hard drive is fragmented and your PC is slow, well you defragment it and it becomes faster. What you are essentially saying is that if you keep on defragmenting it it will continue to become faster which is ludicrous, unless you can post a quadrant score of 3000
Iirc the virtual ext lag fix simply cached some of the data for quicker access, and that's the increase you're seeing.
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Rsfaze already explained to you why it wouldn't, both of the fixes do the same thing and by doing the same fix twice they do not combine to give you double the benefit.
Imagine your hard drive is fragmented and your PC is slow, well you defragment it and it becomes faster. What you are essentially saying is that if you keep on defragmenting it it will continue to become faster which is ludicrous, unless you can post a quadrant score of 3000
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Ok true, but arent the lag fixes different? They arent set up the same and put on different ext's
And why did it improve my quadrant scores? and usually the phone wont allow u to apply two
Lag fixes at once when they are the same thing. Because I am using the lag fix apk and the voodoo lag fix through rom manager. Try it and tell me what u think?
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Iirc the virtual ext lag fix simply cached some of the data for quicker access, and that's the increase you're seeing.
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Thx that makes sense. So do u think that is make making my phone faster?
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Rsfaze already explained to you why it wouldn't, both of the fixes do the same thing and by doing the same fix twice they do not combine to give you double the benefit.
Imagine your hard drive is fragmented and your PC is slow, well you defragment it and it becomes faster. What you are essentially saying is that if you keep on defragmenting it it will continue to become faster which is ludicrous, unless you can post a quadrant score of 3000
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Hey man, if those placebo pills work so well for him, don't stop filling his prescription.
Well i honestly dont know the details behind it but I can say that my phone does feel faster. So try it for yourself and tell me what you think. It is perfectly safe and you can always remove it. But just apply the voodoo and then go on market, and get ryanzas lag fix and apply that too. I am using the deodex rom so I dont knkw if that makes a difference. But thx for explainations. Later
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Why stop there? Install another lagfix and I'm sure your phone will be 3X as fast!!!
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Haha, I seriously doubt this works, run 4 quadrant tests, the first being stock with no lag fix, second with one of the lag fixes, third with only the other lag fix that you did not use before, and lastly run a forth test with all of the lag fixes and post all the scores generated by quadrant.
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Haha, I seriously doubt this works, run 4 quadrant tests, the first being stock with no lag fix, second with one of the lag fixes, third with only the other lag fix that you did not use before, and lastly run a forth test with all of the lag fixes and post all the scores generated by quadrant.
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Stock odin 900
Ryanzas one click 2400 not believable but thats what quadrant says
Voodoo 1700 can see a real difference
Jacs kernal and no wake 1400 can feel diffrence mainly bcuz of overclock
Voodoo + ryanzas 2100 feels smoother and faster than just voodoo
Dont believe me than try for yourself.
If quadrant says so I believe it, though I am not able to try it I'm running the new leaked rom, I don't believe that is compatable with the voodoo lag fix.
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If quadrant says so I believe it, though I am not able to try it I'm running the new leaked rom, I don't believe that is compatable with the voodoo lag fix.
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Well the quadrant scores are just quadrant scores to me. I just go off of how many phone feels and what it does and it has never been snappier, my bro has same phone and he has the vodoo lag fix and we did a side by side comparison and mine was faster so I will let the people be the judge and let them try for them selves.
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I put on the new Voodoo Lag fix and have had no problems. My phone is as fast its ever been. Because before that I was using ryanzas lagfix on the market and kind of made my phone faster. So I removed ryanzas and put on the voodoo, and found I could still apply ryanzas, so I did and my phone is super fast. At least I feel like its faster. So for the devs I know this isnt a q&a but is this actually working, and can u guys apply this into ur future work?
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The voodoo lagfix uses ext4, which is a little slower but far safer. By installing ryan's virtual ext2, youve merely regained ext2's speed at the expense of ext4' safety along with the improvements gained from an optimized kernel.
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masterotaku said:
The voodoo lagfix uses ext4, which is a little slower but far safer. By installing ryan's virtual ext2, youve merely regained ext2's speed at the expense of ext4' safety along with the improvements gained from an optimized kernel.
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Ext2 has a faster write but Ext4 has a faster read when tests where done on the two. You already mentioned the safety of ext4 which would be the journaling that Ext2 does not do.
I still don't think ext2 would be faster than ext4 but I could be wrong.
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Ok so all I do is try to make my phone faster when I have time. But I partioned my sd on my mytouch with amon ra then I put my sd on ext 4....
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I don't get it. Why is this in the Vibrant forum at all?!!
I can confirm that ext2 lagfix will work on our froyo release (non-stock). I am getting 1800+. There will be more details to come.....!
Using the One-Click lagfix...?
On my rooted froyo, OCLF from the market works fine, thought it is ext2. Gives me a quadrandt score of 1897.
Yeah, I applied it as well, from the Android Market (search RyanZA). It seems to be working fine, and is quite a bit less laggy. Voodoo on Congnition was better, but as far as I know OCLF is all we've got for Froyo.
Yes, 2,2 and EXT2 is an awesome fix until we get Voodoo!!!
Yes the oclf works from the market , you have to root first. With some reading I have rooted, sideloading, ext2 one click lag fix, market access restored to all apps showing up again. Quadrant 1800+ linpack 14 +
Froyo 2.2 Rooted Sideloaded and Screaming Fast
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For some reason, both of the lagfixes keep failing on me... V2.1+ and 1.0. Oh well... guess I'll just have to wait a bit until someone releases a specific one for the Captivate. Probably won't take long knowing XDA.
This worked for me. I set a partition size of 1023 (tried for 1024, but couldn't) and I get benchmarks (just for reference, I know, I know) of around 1300+ in Quadrant. More importantly, everything is much snappier. It reminds me of going from iPhone 3G to 3Gs.
And what do you know? Cognition beta was just released.
Some issues, but that's what betas are for, right?
Love it! Wicked fast now. Scoring 1887 on Quadrant now.
the ryanza lagfix i get fail.
no dice for me... can't mount after partition is made.. says it is busy or in use'
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market access restored to all apps showing up again.
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If you don't mind my asking, what did you do to retstor the full market?
1921-1925 quad score I did a few for normalization.
Froyo, Manually Rooted with rage, nobloat,non-market, sideloading ect. w/this OCLF.
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1921-1925 quad score I did a few for normalization.
Froyo, Manually Rooted with rage, nobloat,non-market, sideloading ect. w/this OCLF.
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What's nobloat?
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What's nobloat?
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I'm guessing something that removes AT&T bloatware.
For everyone having trouble with lag fix...
Reboot into recovery and clear user data and cache.i think zilch mentioned this in a thread. I was having the same problem and that worked for me. If you have trouble getting into recovery, search the market for <recovery reboot> (or something like that) there should be a little button you can download for free. It should take you straight to recovery. Try to do oclf right after you clear data and cache. Just make sure your battery is over 40% or it will not work
Voodoo vs OCLF
I am aware of the technical differences between the Voodoo and OCLF lag fixes, but OCLF seems to fix the lag in Nitrodesk's Touchdown more effectively. For me, at least.
I see posts where people are waiting on Voodoo for Froyo, but personally, I'd like a fix from Samsung. The lag shouldn't require community resources to fix.
It shouldn't exist at all.
Mine failed when I installed it. I had apps FCing the whole time while it was running the fix.
I imagine the trick here would be to apply the fix before you restore your software. Probably a no brainer for many.
Anyways, that was the final straw for me. I'm back to Cog 2.1.6 until we get reliable stuff. 2.2 was far too buggy as a whole.
I am still amazed that people publish benchmark results for OCLF and think it means something. <sigh>
real world use is the real test
I've just finished in working on my phone since this morning, and i'm finally completely satisfied: this is my configuration: jpo new firmware, cf root, speedmod 340 mb kernel and oclf for android 2.2. I've also removed touch wiz and installed launcher pro, bought the plus features and beautiful widgets.
It's very smooth, lag free and nice to see. quadrant score is 1796!!
Hope this helps, and sorry for my poor english!!
Alessandro
You just wait a bit, .. within a week or so most sgss will urge to lagg because of the slightly fragmenting underlaying filesystem.. so it feels =/
hehe, no idea, i just fear it .. but let's hope it's all good!
Mines flying too with Docs 7.5 jpo rom, 314mb kernel and autokiller.. i also applied the no rfs e4 lagfix lol
Until now, everithing's just fine.. anyway we'll wait and see!!
i have to agree with pijastomig
i upgraded to jpa and added z4mod (ext2) + 341mb SO kernel
i know its diff but this combo is really good even the combo pijastomig is using is too.
the phone never felt this fast, ever. tho my quadrant score is 1690 the interface is very fast, gallery opens/loads does everything really fast, call log,msgs,pretty much every thing i touch is blazing fast
im just glad i made the jump from eclair, currently very happy with the phones performance... reliable gps is next on the list and i'll be a happy guy for atleast 2011/12 if i dont get the urge to get the next big thing in line
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i have to agree with pijastomig
i upgraded to jpa and added z4mod (ext2) + 341mb SO kernel
i know its diff but this combo is really good even the combo pijastomig is using is too.
the phone never felt this fast, ever. tho my quadrant score is 1690 the interface is very fast, gallery opens/loads does everything really fast, call log,msgs,pretty much every thing i touch is blazing fast
im just glad i made the jump from eclair, currently very happy with the phones performance... reliable gps is next on the list and i'll be a happy guy for atleast 2011/12 if i dont get the urge to get the next big thing in line
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I'm on Doc's ROM as well, using the OCLF downloadable from the market. The phone is quick, responsive, and enjoy to use. The battery is quite bad tho(I think because of hardcore's kernel), but well... I bet you can't have both.
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I I've also removed touch wiz and installed launcher pro
Alessandro
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Does removing Touch Wiz change anything on the phone? Does it just get rid of the launcher?
I too use Launcher Pro and only use touchwiz to connect to keis. I don't TW but LP is just frickin awesome.
Haven't rooted yet, am waiting for official 2.2 but am contemplating where to go from there when I do.
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I have OCLF and SuperOneClick root, no custom kernel.
Would putting another kernel on boost my score?
forget about quadrant scores and oclf. to be blunt its plain ignorance. native ext2 or ext4 or jfs if you will are the way to go. oclf will slow down overtime not the others. quadrant value 100% bogus. forget about it. the reason is over the dev forums in countless posts if youre curious. ext4 from hardcore gives me the best perf actually and it doesnt even drain the batt anymore.
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I'm guessing OCLF doesn't actually install an EXT2 kernel then?
Should I flash Voodoo with Odin3 then?
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I'm guessing OCLF doesn't actually install an EXT2 kernel then?
Should I flash Voodoo with Odin3 then?
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no it doesn't, the stock kernel already supports ext2
oclf creates a ext2 partition on top of rfs instead of native ext2. it works and artificially boost quadrant scores (making scores irrelevant)
over time the underlaying rfs still lags the ext2 file system on top and you have to "reapply" lag fix to get the performance back
native does not need such tricks, it just works (and its faster overall also - just not on quadrant)
Hi all,
I was doing some test with a friend of mine that have a galaxy s with ext4 lag fix.
We have noticed that in quadrant there is a huge different in time during the passages "writing database" and "reading database".
So is the desire hd filesisten not well optimized (not like the original galaxy s one ) and is there a way to speed up read/write operations?
Thank u all
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by default the galaxy S out of the box uses RFS which when doing IO to DB can be very very slow....because it does a lot of journalling.
I believe ext4 does not do journalling?? correct me if i am wrong...
if your friend uses the OCLF then ...believe me over a period of 1 week..or after your friend has put more than 10 apps...it will start to degrade...
RFS in the GS corrupts the FS over time...
I have had my DHD for like 2 weeks and installed over 50 apps..
quadrant scores are always...close to 2000..
using Froyo on the GS without any lag fix u get approx 1000 quadrant score..
with lag fix you get close to 2000..but then again is temporary..
if your friend had applied the voodoo lag fix..then i thing that uses a different journalling policy.and on Froyo GS gets approx around the 1500...
so DHD is indeed optimize IMO
I came from the galaxy s. Wich i loved, after much work and tweaking. Straight out of the box it was useless. But back to topic. Of course it would be possible but i dont really see the need. Itryed all the diffrent lagfixes for SGS, OCLF wich uses EXT2, Voodoo EXT4, and Ztupys kernel with ddiferent options and on Android 2.1 they aall really boosted the Quadrant scores was getting 2200+. But on Android 2.2 it didnt have same effect quadrant about 1500-1700 still good fix. But when i run Quadrant on DHD, in I/O section it stops a little while r/w data but it did that with lagfix on SGS also. Only lagfix that made it run thru with out pauseing was OCLF wich uses EXT2, and Ext2 gets corrupted or something after a while and performance slows down.
I think we have a good stable device and i dont see the need.
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I believe ext4 does not do journalling?? correct me if i am wrong...
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I am afraid not, ext4 is basically ext3 with journalling c.f Wikipedia
thank u all for replies. Mine was just curiosity more than need because DHD in every day use is really fast and responsive (not like my old iphone 3g....)
I think i has applied the OCLF so it will be degraded in some times, and he said also that he reboot the phone once a day..
Sorry to mod if i posted in the wrong section
muffy
So I am wondering what others opinions are of the roms and kernels available for the SF. Doesn't seem to be much of an improvement on Quadrant scores utilizing another rom or even stupidfast kernels.
Are we just kind of screwed a bit until 2.2? Is there a kernel that is overclocked?
TIA.
Quadrant scores are mostly meaningless, and 2.2 is unlikely to be revolutionary. The phone performs well on 2.1 - keep reading the forum and you'll get there.
In my opinion the biggest performance increases ive seen werent in any benchmarks but in dj05. it runs amazing. If u havent tried it i dont know whether you should or not. With the impending froyo release no one knows if they are actually going to release DJ05 or not. I think they should release it and then put froyo on top of that foundation if at all possible
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What do you feel about DJ that helped it out?
I finally stayed with just a Voodoo lag kernel. There certain operations on the phone I had gotten used to that were slow. The kernel with lag fix did show me noticeable improvement, more than just a higher I/O score in Quadrant.
I think the phone is fairly solid on 2.1 but needs a little help. Hopefully the Froyo upgrade really is around the corner but Im not holding my breath
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What do you feel about DJ that helped it out?
I finally stayed with just a Voodoo lag kernel. There certain operations on the phone I had gotten used to that were slow. The kernel with lag fix did show me noticeable improvement, more than just a higher I/O score in Quadrant.
I think the phone is fairly solid on 2.1 but needs a little help. Hopefully the Froyo upgrade really is around the corner but Im not holding my breath
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I'm running DJ05 deox, and the stock DJ05 kernel. I used Titanium Backup to remove all the bloatware, and I use ADW instead of TouchWiz crap. (I took TW off with Titanium Backup too). SetCPU to set max to 1ghz, and minimum to 400mhz. (NO PROFILES!!!) It runs just fine for me. Rather damn speedy actually!! I dont do the whole benchmark test business, doesn't really mean much IMO.
Yes benchmarks dont mean too much. But they are a good indication of overall performance in their specific areas that they test. As they fascinate test well in every area except i/o. But we already kne that. Im not sure what about DJ05 Made it feel so solid to me just overall improvement and actual working GPS
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Yes benchmarks dont mean too much. But they are a good indication of overall performance in their specific areas that they test. As they fascinate test well in every area except i/o. But we already kne that. Im not sure what about DJ05 Made it feel so solid to me just overall improvement and actual working GPS
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Where did you get the dj05 update?
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Ive only tried voodoo/lagfix
It made a significant difference on my phone. I reverted and restored all the factory stuff in anticipation of JD05 because I want to get it OTA when it drops.
I tried to get the leaked one in IRC but people just kept calling me n00b so I gave up.
I am hopeful that it will solve all my woes and usher in a new era of speed only previously dreamt about
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Where did you get the dj05 update?
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I'm running DJ05 deox, and the stock DJ05 kernel. I used Titanium Backup to remove all the bloatware, and I use ADW instead of TouchWiz crap. (I took TW off with Titanium Backup too). SetCPU to set max to 1ghz, and minimum to 400mhz. (NO PROFILES!!!) It runs just fine for me. Rather damn speedy actually!! I dont do the whole benchmark test business, doesn't really mean much IMO.
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Yes benchmarks dont mean too much. But they are a good indication of overall performance in their specific areas that they test. As they fascinate test well in every area except i/o. But we already kne that. Im not sure what about DJ05 Made it feel so solid to me just overall improvement and actual working GPS
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@Joe: same setup here (DJ05 deo, Stock Kernel and Rom, Frozen bloat in Titanium) without SetCPU. It's FAST. My GF and both my sons have EVOs running 2.2 and my Fascinate is just as fast (or faster)
@ksizzle: I agree, it's hard to quantify exactly what is so good about it. I think it's not what's there, but what's NOT there (lag) I think there are going to be plenty of happy n00bs when the OTA hits. This phone will be a screamer right out of the box!
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Quadrant scores are mostly meaningless, and 2.2 is unlikely to be revolutionary.
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Actually, the real performance difference between 2.2. and 2.1 is very revolutionary, though I certainly agree with you about the irrelevance of Quadrant scores. The Java virtual machine, for example, executes code 450% -- that's not a typo -- faster, which directly impacts most apps.
And, 2.2's browser is also significantly faster than 2.1's -- and iOS4's, for that matter.
I like my Fascinate, and yes, I would consider it fast (especially running DJ05 with Geeknik's kernels) but like many others, I too see slowdowns sometimes that just shouldn't happen with the phone's hardware. Froyo isn't a magic pill, per se, but it should significantly reduce or eliminate those slowdowns (as it did on my old Droid 1, despite it's far-slower processor).
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/and...r-vs-android-15-cupcake-speed-taste-49305763/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...-it-compared-to-2-1-oh-only-about-450-faster/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/07/android-22-demolishes-ios4-in-javascript-benchmarks.ars
Actually, the real performance difference between 2.2. and 2.1 is very revolutionary, though I certainly agree with you about the irrelevance of Quadrant scores. The Java virtual machine, for example, executes code 450% in benchmarks -- that's not a typo -- faster, which do not directly impact most apps.
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Fixed that for ya. Don't let marketing hype get the best of ya.
Everything I've read states that the performance improvements between 2.1 and 2.2 have little effect on Hummingbird processors (which is what is in all Galaxy S phones), and the biggest performance gains are seen on Snapdragon processors. As far as performance goes, I'll believe it when I see it.
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Everything I've read states that the performance improvements between 2.1 and 2.2 have little effect on Hummingbird processors (which is what is in all Galaxy S phones), and the biggest performance gains are seen on Snapdragon processors. As far as performance goes, I'll believe it when I see it.
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This is because JIT was designed specifically around a Snapdragon processor.