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Ryan's lag fix vs. Voodoo

I've got a rooted 2.1 stock Vibrant with ryan's lag fix. My quadrant score went from 876 to 2250 which is great. My linpak for android only went from 8.101 to 8.225 mflops. I would really like my mflops to be in the 10-15 range though. It also seems to be running much quicker. Would I see a bigger boost with voodoo or should I just keep ryans lag fix going. Is voodoo just as easy to install to. Also I've been dying for the Frodo OTA. Would both of these lag fixes work for 2.2

Huh. Huhuhuh. He said Frodo. Huhuhuh. Huhuh.

LOL, it's been a funny day today. This is almost as good as the guy who told the noob to put on three lag fixes, so it will be three time's as fast!!! LOL.
Let's all hope Frodo can get the One Ring to Mount Doom in time. Then him and the rest of Samsung dev team might get Froyo done soon. Only then can the world rest and our linpak score possibly rise!

I saw that post to and it was pretty funny. I just want to know the differences between the to lag fixes, and which one is better to have.

How about try them both and you be the judge of it? Results vary on people's setups. If I were you, I would wait for a more stable version of VooDoo.. I have applied it but many people have reported having problems detecting their SD card (external and internal). To fix this, you'd have to restore your apps using Titanium Backup etc etc.
I would definitely say VooDoo, I have used RyanZA and VooDoo. But since you're a new user, I'd just wait for the more stable version.

Does Voodoo reformat the entire SD to ext4 or does it symlink like Ryan's?
If it changes the whole file system to ext4 then I would say it has to be faster.

thanks foe responses, I will wait until voovdoo goes stable an see the performance myself.

Droidicus said:
Huh. Huhuhuh. He said Frodo. Huhuhuh. Huhuh.
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you CANT get 10-15 mflops, if you read how the lagfixes work you would understand what you are measuring. i think with OC you might get mid 9's

Captivate Froyo + lagfix!!!

I can confirm that ext2 lagfix will work on our froyo release (non-stock). I am getting 1800+. There will be more details to come.....!

Using the One-Click lagfix...?

On my rooted froyo, OCLF from the market works fine, thought it is ext2. Gives me a quadrandt score of 1897.

Yeah, I applied it as well, from the Android Market (search RyanZA). It seems to be working fine, and is quite a bit less laggy. Voodoo on Congnition was better, but as far as I know OCLF is all we've got for Froyo.

Yes, 2,2 and EXT2 is an awesome fix until we get Voodoo!!!

Yes the oclf works from the market , you have to root first. With some reading I have rooted, sideloading, ext2 one click lag fix, market access restored to all apps showing up again. Quadrant 1800+ linpack 14 +
Froyo 2.2 Rooted Sideloaded and Screaming Fast
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For some reason, both of the lagfixes keep failing on me... V2.1+ and 1.0. Oh well... guess I'll just have to wait a bit until someone releases a specific one for the Captivate. Probably won't take long knowing XDA.

This worked for me. I set a partition size of 1023 (tried for 1024, but couldn't) and I get benchmarks (just for reference, I know, I know) of around 1300+ in Quadrant. More importantly, everything is much snappier. It reminds me of going from iPhone 3G to 3Gs.

And what do you know? Cognition beta was just released.
Some issues, but that's what betas are for, right?

Love it! Wicked fast now. Scoring 1887 on Quadrant now.

the ryanza lagfix i get fail.

no dice for me... can't mount after partition is made.. says it is busy or in use'

Kizzmiazz said:
market access restored to all apps showing up again.
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If you don't mind my asking, what did you do to retstor the full market?

1921-1925 quad score I did a few for normalization.
Froyo, Manually Rooted with rage, nobloat,non-market, sideloading ect. w/this OCLF.

lghaze said:
1921-1925 quad score I did a few for normalization.
Froyo, Manually Rooted with rage, nobloat,non-market, sideloading ect. w/this OCLF.
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What's nobloat?
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What's nobloat?
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I'm guessing something that removes AT&T bloatware.

For everyone having trouble with lag fix...
Reboot into recovery and clear user data and cache.i think zilch mentioned this in a thread. I was having the same problem and that worked for me. If you have trouble getting into recovery, search the market for <recovery reboot> (or something like that) there should be a little button you can download for free. It should take you straight to recovery. Try to do oclf right after you clear data and cache. Just make sure your battery is over 40% or it will not work

Voodoo vs OCLF
I am aware of the technical differences between the Voodoo and OCLF lag fixes, but OCLF seems to fix the lag in Nitrodesk's Touchdown more effectively. For me, at least.
I see posts where people are waiting on Voodoo for Froyo, but personally, I'd like a fix from Samsung. The lag shouldn't require community resources to fix.
It shouldn't exist at all.

Mine failed when I installed it. I had apps FCing the whole time while it was running the fix.
I imagine the trick here would be to apply the fix before you restore your software. Probably a no brainer for many.
Anyways, that was the final straw for me. I'm back to Cog 2.1.6 until we get reliable stuff. 2.2 was far too buggy as a whole.

I am still amazed that people publish benchmark results for OCLF and think it means something. <sigh>
real world use is the real test

[Q]database read/write speed

Hi all,
I was doing some test with a friend of mine that have a galaxy s with ext4 lag fix.
We have noticed that in quadrant there is a huge different in time during the passages "writing database" and "reading database".
So is the desire hd filesisten not well optimized (not like the original galaxy s one ) and is there a way to speed up read/write operations?
Thank u all
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by default the galaxy S out of the box uses RFS which when doing IO to DB can be very very slow....because it does a lot of journalling.
I believe ext4 does not do journalling?? correct me if i am wrong...
if your friend uses the OCLF then ...believe me over a period of 1 week..or after your friend has put more than 10 apps...it will start to degrade...
RFS in the GS corrupts the FS over time...
I have had my DHD for like 2 weeks and installed over 50 apps..
quadrant scores are always...close to 2000..
using Froyo on the GS without any lag fix u get approx 1000 quadrant score..
with lag fix you get close to 2000..but then again is temporary..
if your friend had applied the voodoo lag fix..then i thing that uses a different journalling policy.and on Froyo GS gets approx around the 1500...
so DHD is indeed optimize IMO

I came from the galaxy s. Wich i loved, after much work and tweaking. Straight out of the box it was useless. But back to topic. Of course it would be possible but i dont really see the need. Itryed all the diffrent lagfixes for SGS, OCLF wich uses EXT2, Voodoo EXT4, and Ztupys kernel with ddiferent options and on Android 2.1 they aall really boosted the Quadrant scores was getting 2200+. But on Android 2.2 it didnt have same effect quadrant about 1500-1700 still good fix. But when i run Quadrant on DHD, in I/O section it stops a little while r/w data but it did that with lagfix on SGS also. Only lagfix that made it run thru with out pauseing was OCLF wich uses EXT2, and Ext2 gets corrupted or something after a while and performance slows down.
I think we have a good stable device and i dont see the need.

nandihno said:
I believe ext4 does not do journalling?? correct me if i am wrong...
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I am afraid not, ext4 is basically ext3 with journalling c.f Wikipedia

thank u all for replies. Mine was just curiosity more than need because DHD in every day use is really fast and responsive (not like my old iphone 3g....)
I think i has applied the OCLF so it will be degraded in some times, and he said also that he reboot the phone once a day..
Sorry to mod if i posted in the wrong section
muffy

Best Way to Improve Performance

So I am wondering what others opinions are of the roms and kernels available for the SF. Doesn't seem to be much of an improvement on Quadrant scores utilizing another rom or even stupidfast kernels.
Are we just kind of screwed a bit until 2.2? Is there a kernel that is overclocked?
TIA.

Quadrant scores are mostly meaningless, and 2.2 is unlikely to be revolutionary. The phone performs well on 2.1 - keep reading the forum and you'll get there.

In my opinion the biggest performance increases ive seen werent in any benchmarks but in dj05. it runs amazing. If u havent tried it i dont know whether you should or not. With the impending froyo release no one knows if they are actually going to release DJ05 or not. I think they should release it and then put froyo on top of that foundation if at all possible
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What do you feel about DJ that helped it out?
I finally stayed with just a Voodoo lag kernel. There certain operations on the phone I had gotten used to that were slow. The kernel with lag fix did show me noticeable improvement, more than just a higher I/O score in Quadrant.
I think the phone is fairly solid on 2.1 but needs a little help. Hopefully the Froyo upgrade really is around the corner but Im not holding my breath

jfigura said:
What do you feel about DJ that helped it out?
I finally stayed with just a Voodoo lag kernel. There certain operations on the phone I had gotten used to that were slow. The kernel with lag fix did show me noticeable improvement, more than just a higher I/O score in Quadrant.
I think the phone is fairly solid on 2.1 but needs a little help. Hopefully the Froyo upgrade really is around the corner but Im not holding my breath
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I'm running DJ05 deox, and the stock DJ05 kernel. I used Titanium Backup to remove all the bloatware, and I use ADW instead of TouchWiz crap. (I took TW off with Titanium Backup too). SetCPU to set max to 1ghz, and minimum to 400mhz. (NO PROFILES!!!) It runs just fine for me. Rather damn speedy actually!! I dont do the whole benchmark test business, doesn't really mean much IMO.

Yes benchmarks dont mean too much. But they are a good indication of overall performance in their specific areas that they test. As they fascinate test well in every area except i/o. But we already kne that. Im not sure what about DJ05 Made it feel so solid to me just overall improvement and actual working GPS
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ksizzle9 said:
Yes benchmarks dont mean too much. But they are a good indication of overall performance in their specific areas that they test. As they fascinate test well in every area except i/o. But we already kne that. Im not sure what about DJ05 Made it feel so solid to me just overall improvement and actual working GPS
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Where did you get the dj05 update?
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Ive only tried voodoo/lagfix
It made a significant difference on my phone. I reverted and restored all the factory stuff in anticipation of JD05 because I want to get it OTA when it drops.
I tried to get the leaked one in IRC but people just kept calling me n00b so I gave up.
I am hopeful that it will solve all my woes and usher in a new era of speed only previously dreamt about

Powell730 said:
Where did you get the dj05 update?
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its been discussed dozens of times where and how to get dj05

joe3681 said:
I'm running DJ05 deox, and the stock DJ05 kernel. I used Titanium Backup to remove all the bloatware, and I use ADW instead of TouchWiz crap. (I took TW off with Titanium Backup too). SetCPU to set max to 1ghz, and minimum to 400mhz. (NO PROFILES!!!) It runs just fine for me. Rather damn speedy actually!! I dont do the whole benchmark test business, doesn't really mean much IMO.
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Yes benchmarks dont mean too much. But they are a good indication of overall performance in their specific areas that they test. As they fascinate test well in every area except i/o. But we already kne that. Im not sure what about DJ05 Made it feel so solid to me just overall improvement and actual working GPS
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@Joe: same setup here (DJ05 deo, Stock Kernel and Rom, Frozen bloat in Titanium) without SetCPU. It's FAST. My GF and both my sons have EVOs running 2.2 and my Fascinate is just as fast (or faster)
@ksizzle: I agree, it's hard to quantify exactly what is so good about it. I think it's not what's there, but what's NOT there (lag) I think there are going to be plenty of happy n00bs when the OTA hits. This phone will be a screamer right out of the box!

NOsquid said:
Quadrant scores are mostly meaningless, and 2.2 is unlikely to be revolutionary.
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Actually, the real performance difference between 2.2. and 2.1 is very revolutionary, though I certainly agree with you about the irrelevance of Quadrant scores. The Java virtual machine, for example, executes code 450% -- that's not a typo -- faster, which directly impacts most apps.
And, 2.2's browser is also significantly faster than 2.1's -- and iOS4's, for that matter.
I like my Fascinate, and yes, I would consider it fast (especially running DJ05 with Geeknik's kernels) but like many others, I too see slowdowns sometimes that just shouldn't happen with the phone's hardware. Froyo isn't a magic pill, per se, but it should significantly reduce or eliminate those slowdowns (as it did on my old Droid 1, despite it's far-slower processor).
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/and...r-vs-android-15-cupcake-speed-taste-49305763/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...-it-compared-to-2-1-oh-only-about-450-faster/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/07/android-22-demolishes-ios4-in-javascript-benchmarks.ars

Actually, the real performance difference between 2.2. and 2.1 is very revolutionary, though I certainly agree with you about the irrelevance of Quadrant scores. The Java virtual machine, for example, executes code 450% in benchmarks -- that's not a typo -- faster, which do not directly impact most apps.
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Fixed that for ya. Don't let marketing hype get the best of ya.

Everything I've read states that the performance improvements between 2.1 and 2.2 have little effect on Hummingbird processors (which is what is in all Galaxy S phones), and the biggest performance gains are seen on Snapdragon processors. As far as performance goes, I'll believe it when I see it.

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Everything I've read states that the performance improvements between 2.1 and 2.2 have little effect on Hummingbird processors (which is what is in all Galaxy S phones), and the biggest performance gains are seen on Snapdragon processors. As far as performance goes, I'll believe it when I see it.
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This is because JIT was designed specifically around a Snapdragon processor.

Ext4 and lagfix

What exactly is ext4 because I don't notice any difference at all in the performance of my phone. I'm also running voodoo lagfix on GingerReal 5.1.
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hi, a little bit of info.
EXT4 is another Filesystem that we use instead of the stock RFS offered by Samsung
It IS faster but since 2.2.1 (IMO) you really can't see the difference in performance because Samsung optimised the Filesystem (god help them as they STILL didn't change it) It is faster in read write and is more robust than RFS
Anyone wanting to correct me may do so
EDIT: your benchmark scores, like quadrant will be higher

Everyone is always saying to get the ultimate experience you need to flash a custom rom, apply a lagfix and change to ext4. I have done all these and cannot see the difference in performance at all.
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seeraj15 said:
Everyone is always saying to get the ultimate experience you need to flash a custom rom, apply a lagfix and change to ext4. I have done all these and cannot see the difference in performance at all.
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well, the stock roms got way better over time. 2.1 was unusable and 2.2 just bad. with 2.2.1 things changed and the phone got pretty good without root or custom roms ... or lagfixes
If you don't feel any difference after applying a lagfix decide what you're more comfortable with and leave the phone on that file system. consider the fact that you'll have to be on rfs to flash a rom via odin.
If you want to speed up your phone try juwe's memory optimization
a different launcher might also help (launcher pro and gingerbread stock are fast ones I know)
what else... don't install IM clients or anti virus programs, they tend to kill battery and sometimes performance.
you could also look into overclocking but I was never either comfortable with the idea nor did I feel any need to.
EDIT:
instead of flashing the zip file from juwe you can download Galaxy tuner, go to memory manager and set up everything yourself
values are as following (juwe's)
VM: 50; 10; 50; 100; 90; 5
EDIT II:
praveen6585 did the math for the lowmemkill settings, those are:
10; 16; 24; 48; 56; 72
mine are a bit lower, I feel it's a bit faster in daily use because applications that were just used stay in the RAM longer

theduckking said:
well, the stock roms got way better over time. 2.1 was unusable and 2.2 just bad. with 2.2.1 things changed and the phone got pretty good without root or custom roms ... or lagfixes
If you don't feel any difference after applying a lagfix decide what you're more comfortable with and leave the phone on that file system. consider the fact that you'll have to be on rfs to flash a rom via odin.
If you want to speed up your phone try juwe's memory optimization
a different launcher might also help (launcher pro and gingerbread stock are fast ones I know)
what else... don't install IM clients or anti virus programs, they tend to kill battery and sometimes performance.
you could also look into overclocking but I was never either comfortable with the idea nor did I feel any need to.
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instead of flashing the zip file from juwe you can download Galaxy tuner, go to memory manager and set up everything yourself
values are as following (juwe's)
VM: 50; 10; 50; 100; 90; 5
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just to be sure swp=50
vcp=10
dec=50
dwc=100
dra=90
dbr=5
is that correct?
ive never messed with these settings before and dont want to muck things up

gtda said:
just to be sure swp=50
vcp=10
dec=50
dwc=100
dra=90
dbr=5
is that correct?
ive never messed with these settings before and dont want to muck things up
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yes, that's correct, I added the lowmem kill settings to my previous post

thanks mate, giving them ago now, ill give it a day or so. rfs is fast but i do notice the difference with ext4

I don't know, but I surely felt aspeed difference when removing the ext4 partition both on froyo and gb. Also gb seems to be a lot smoother stock than froyo, even with the 500hz kernel. Also I prefer hardcore's speedmod on both versions.
PS: I used android assistant's hourly boost on both and it helped me much. I have yet to try these lowmem settings so I'd be glad for any info on their usefullness.
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