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Without any lagfix?!
You should really give more detail, which lagfix if there was one or just stock froyo from Samsung?
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Without any lagfix?!
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No, I'm sure he's got OCLF. Without lagfix froyo isn't any quickier than eclair as of now. Actually, it's slower. I used to get 2200 points with JM9 + OCLF. Now with JP6 + OCLF i get 1850p.
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No, I'm sure he's got OCLF. Without lagfix froyo isn't any quickier than eclair as of now. Actually, it's slower. I used to get 2200 points with JM9 + OCLF. Now with JP6 + OCLF i get 1850p.
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Yeah that's what I thought, though I don't know why people post like he does there is no point to it, in no way does it help benifit the community.
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No, I'm sure he's got OCLF. Without lagfix froyo isn't any quickier than eclair as of now. Actually, it's slower. I used to get 2200 points with JM9 + OCLF. Now with JP6 + OCLF i get 1850p.
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Do you mean it's slower, or rather that it gets a lower Quadrant score? Those are two entirely different statements. I realize the OP mentions Quadrant scores specifically and I apologize for sort of imposing my opinion, but such benchmarks, especially with such little score difference and such major operating system differences, do not tell you a whole lot at all.
One separate test of Quadrant might bottleneck the entire score, even when all other parts of the system are much faster. Just look at how a simple 'lag fix' suggests the phone is twice as fast (quadrant goes from 1k to 2k) which of course, is not the case. Also look at how Cyanogen gets a 3K score with a simple hack, where the phone speed was barely altered.
So I am curious about real world performances:
Do you still get lags on Froyo?
Does the GPS take only a few seconds to get a fix?
Does it launch apps almost instantly stock or with some lag fix?
Does it feel ultra responsive, as should be the result of using a JIT compiler?
Does it render webpages faster than iPhone 4 like the Nexus One, like it should?
Does it still run actual applications, such as Quake 3, faster than any HTC despite their higher Linpack scores, and is there an increase in FPS since Eclair?
Would love to hear about this!
Do you still get lags on Froyo?
- I think it lags more than last eclair builds
Does the GPS take only a few seconds to get a fix?
- Same as JM9. Haven't played with gps in outdoors so can't be specific with fix times
Does it launch apps almost instantly stock or with some lag fix?
- Same as JM9, or slower. Lagfix makes it ok.
Does it feel ultra responsive, as should be the result of using a JIT compiler?
- No, even though others have said that JIT is on.
Does it render webpages faster than iPhone 4 like the Nexus One, like it should?
- Webpages are ultra laggy when there is flash content
Does it still run actual applications, such as Quake 3, faster than any HTC despite their higher Linpack scores, and is there an increase in FPS since Eclair?
- Don't know
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So I am curious about real world performances:
1 Do you still get lags on Froyo?
2 Does the GPS take only a few seconds to get a fix?
3 Does it launch apps almost instantly stock or with some lag fix?
4 Does it feel ultra responsive, as should be the result of using a JIT compiler?
5 Does it render webpages faster than iPhone 4 like the Nexus One, like it should?
6 Does it still run actual applications, such as Quake 3, faster than any HTC despite their higher Linpack scores, and is there an increase in FPS since Eclair?
Would love to hear about this!
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1: yes (when no lagfix applied)
2: yes <5s on warm start, <30s on cold start
3: yes with lagfix only
4:i don't think thats the result of the compiler, just the lagfix but yes, and the JIT does make things a little faster overall
5: no the browser is a bit slow i don't know why. Even Fennec alpha is much faster.
6: yes Q3 is extremely smooth, full details + lightmap, getting 56-60fps (=FPS cap on the SGS), it never slows down
Note that Q3 is using the NDK as in native app. I don't know if Linpack tests native code.
Do you still get lags on Froyo?
Not that i've noticed but I will be installing Voodoo anways.
Does the GPS take only a few seconds to get a fix?
GPS is A LOT better.
Does it launch apps almost instantly stock or with some lag fix?
Certain Apps launch almost instantly where others take a few seconds such as PikPok Games, Fruit Ninja, etc.
Does it feel ultra responsive, as should be the result of using a JIT compiler?
Seems fast to me but only as it's a new install will wait a few days, plus I install Voodoo's fix anyway for the screen fixes too.
Does it render webpages faster than iPhone 4 like the Nexus One, like it should?
No, we have flash it's more demanding but you can set it to be on demand then its just on par with them no major difference.
Does it still run actual applications, such as Quake 3, faster than any HTC despite their higher Linpack scores, and is there an increase in FPS since Eclair?
Not sure but all games i've played are smooth without a hiccup.
hope this helps
1000 in Quadrant and 14 in Linpack
New Froyo+OCLF = 1722 Quadrant
No problems. Gps, camera,market... all is ok.
How are you guys getting such a large score? I'm getting about 1000 and it shows the Samsung Galaxy S on the graph even less (I assumed 1000ish was better than the average score). Or am I using some newer version of the app?? :/
XXJPK with OCLF
I've tested 3 times with Quadrant. Scores: 1550, 1764, 1995.
Phone works much faster after OCLF.
I takes 2 seconds to open a book in Aldiko instead 10.
My galaxy s with froyo, one click root and one click lag fix scores 2029. If i could post a url of the picture i would, but i'm not allowed
ive tried jp6 and jpm and not impressed with either. still getting some lag, even when switching home screens with a live wallpaper.
If you use oclf with quadrant you want get a real result.
What i understand it's one database test that is not real.
It don't do it right. The result is that it seems faster then it is.
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My quadrant bench mark is 2017.
I've got JPK, OCLF v2.2 and SETCPU installed.
If anybody is interested in a little comparison to the HTC Desire:
1550 on LeeDroid 2.2f (Froyo) with OC to 1153 MHz. Some got speeds upto 1700 with more overclocking, but that'll heat up the phone beyond healthy values, I guess. Do not want to put in a fan there .
So with some optimizations like lag fix and file system enhancement the Galaxy S is a really fast Smartphone indeed, let alone the 3D graphic performance. Cudos!
Hey there,
I went through a lot of trouble to get my HTC Magic (32B) working really well,
just wanna share this for people who have issues with the phone's performance as well.
I've tried many things, including a swap partition (on a fast SD-Card) as well as compcache.
Turns out, disabling both did the trick. It FINALLY went from unusable to fast and enjoyable!
My current rom:
Cyanogenmod 6.1.0 RC1
Settings->Cyanogenmod-->Performance:
Compcache DISABLED
JIT Enabled (I noticed an increase in CPU Power with the linpack benchmark,
but it still seems underpowered at 3.3 mflops)
Dithering Disabled
Keep Home App in Cache Enabled
Keep MMS-App in Cache Enabled
VM Heap 16m
Also I am using SetCPU to overclock to 576mhz at the moment(feels like the battery is draining faster).
Another thing I did was to reduce number of Homescreens in ADWLauncher down to 3, since thats 'nuff for me.
Hope this helps someone out there, as I was about to shatter my phone into a million pieces :O
On a sidenote: How many mflops do you get with your Magic?
I have the same findings There was a point when swap, overclock, apps2SD, and compcache all would make a major speed-up on your phone, but the CM6.1RC and the nightlies that shortly preceded it have given me the best performance in my magic's history with all of it turned off.
My phone is configured very similar to yours. I went up to vm24 to smooth out how heavier applications run. I left JIT on despite the theoretical drawbacks because I notice no performance hit and it makes a difference on fractal rendering apps (I'm indifferent to benchmarks).
The CM forums seem to be in a bit of turmoil atm because people are slowing down their phones by applying mods that genuinely sped it up in the past.
But for the first time I can be widget-heavy, always go straight back to home, use window animations, never have choppy music (even when using navigation), use alternate keyboards with no performance hit, and even run a good few live wallpapers. All with unprecedented battery life? Not sure what CM did but he/they sure did it right.
One thing - overclocking your CPU will better your benchtest results but I think you'll surprise yourself by leaving it stock, and even (gasp!) underclocking it. CPU clockrate is one of many possible bottlenecks and considering the 1.5 and 1.6 official roms were capped at 384 (or 352 I can't remember), I doubt it is the culprit of possible slowdowns. I run at 384 almost all of the time and have noticed no side effect except for extreme battery life and added stability (615 gives me reboots). The only differences I've seen overclocking make are in fractal rendering apps and benchtests but Pandas vs. Ninjas and Raging Thunder rock at 384.
glad to see I'm not alone with this
I can still see the phone running out of ram when alot is going on, but its ok.
I'll try your suggestion and underclock the phone.
Another small tweak I just found:
under mobile network settings there is an option "only use 2G", which is checked by default. turning this off improved my connection speed (obviously).
but again this comes at the cost of battery-life.
Ok I aint joking but seriously what is the point of overclocking a Desire z/G2. Unless I am running on a slow phone I don't see the point. Stock speed never lags and i haven't seen any difference between 1.5 ghz vs 800mhz.
The only time when 1.5ghz clock speed is useful is when i running quadrant and rubbing its scores infront of my friends face.
There is any areas where you can actually see the performance difference?
bluntly, if you dont see the point of it then you don't need it.
For others, sometimes you run alot of stuff in the background and still want to be able to have your main app perform at its best level.
There is also the minute tweaking of speed and snappiness of the interface. The idea of instant reaction when you open your message app, or your email, or anything.
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Ok I aint joking but seriously what is the point of overclocking a Desire z/G2. Unless I am running on a slow phone I don't see the point. Stock speed never lags and i haven't seen any difference between 1.5 ghz vs 800mhz.
The only time when 1.5ghz clock speed is useful is when i running quadrant and rubbing its scores infront of my friends face.
There is any areas where you can actually see the performance difference?
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Heavy multitasking
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flash video seems pretty laggy to me at 800...
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=overclocking
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=overclocking
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Best link ever! I hope i can remember it long enough to use it sometime.
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=overclocking
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Ya i know what overclocking is but I haven't found one instances where I needed it to run an app. G2 is already damn fast and it runs android with no lag but I really see no point until more demanding ver. of android come out.
I just wanted to see who overclocks their G2 everyday and for what purpose.
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Ya i know what overclocking is but I haven't found one instances where I needed it to run an app. G2 is already damn fast and it runs android with no lag but I really see no point until more demanding ver. of android come out.
I just wanted to see who overclocks their G2 everyday and for what purpose.
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Fair question IMHO.
I don't see the difference when overclocking, or rather I don't feel it. Software does make a difference, but not the extra 200-500Mhz. I do feel however the battery drain
It always makes me laugh when somebody asks a legitimate question and you get silly responses like the above 2. It's as if these people feel threatened and have to justify that they are more knowledgeable than the op. The facts of the matter are most of the tweaks, mods and alterations are wholly unnecessary in the real world.
If you don't feel like it makes it better then you don't have to use it. I use it because I feel it makes everything just a little snappier and more instant. If you don't notice a difference that's fine. It's probably trivial for me to notice the little hang ups but I can't help it.
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For me there's several reasons. For the most part, the reason for oc is because you can. But there are practical reasons as well. For example, with the stock ROM running at 800MHz, you're stuck with that. With an oc kernel and using SetCPU or built in clock settings in CM, you can adjust it as needed. Gonna play a game? Bump it up to 1GHz or so. Done with said game? Take it back down to 800MHz. But it's not all about oc. Sometimes there's a need to underclock. Getting low on battery and don't have a charger near by and need to squeeze another hour or two out of it? Maybe take it down to 768MHz or 600MHz (if you're running Pershoot's kernel).
Dungeon Defender:
800 mHz : not fun, laggy
1.5 gHz : fun, graphic are more smooth
Reasons for using over clocking:
Because I can
Because sometimes I do notice the difference in performance of the UI and some applications (wait for Sense 3.0 etc...)
Because I also use it to underclock.
Like everything else, a lot of it is perception. My wife cannot see any difference between our normal cable channels and the HD ones. I can (or am I just trying to convince myself that I can?). Oh well.
Finally some practical and helpful responses, showing an understanding of the need for information from some people.
here's my experience when it comes to overclocking. keep in mind that, like with your computer, it does vary from user to user... so I'm making these statements from MY experience, not making blanket statements regarding all of our devices:
- if you run multiple homescreens with multiple widgets and ui "smoothness," not just aesthetically, but performance-wise as well, is of concern, mild overclocking becomes necessary.
- if you have several apps running at any given time (in background or foreground) and ui smoothness, same definition as above, is of concern, mild overclocking becomes necessary.
- if you run any iteration of a sense rom in any configuration and ui smoothness is of concern, mild overclocking becomes necessary.
- if you run PSX/N64 emulators and you don't want audio distortion or general lagginess, more aggressive (in my case, 1209 is a safe speed for maximizing performance without having a drastic effect on battery life) overclocking becomes necessary.
on AOSP builds, especially gingerbread-based, I don't think there is a necessity for more processing power than what we get from the factory if you're running a relatively slim setup and aren't using something like a PSX/N64 emulator regularly.
I run mine at 1ghz, but I did use 1.2ghz before. I do notice a slight performance difference. Overall tho I don't notice it much. I notice it more when I'm doing multiple things.
Nonsense!
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For all that you're talking, you have yet to provide anything of value to this conversation while you're sitting up there berating those other 2 posters.
Think about it.
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I run 1.1 because it is noticably faster. Everything opens faster and works smoother. My wife has a stock G2 and when I grab it to look something up on the web or to use maps when we're out, I instantly notice how mucher slower hers is.
Works for me so I use it.
I notice a definite performance boost on mine, but it also depends on which kernel/ROM you use. I was running meXroid for a few days and found that it got extremely laggy even overclocked with Flippy's kernel built in (1.9Ghz), plus my battery was dying faster than a Chuck Norris joke. PyroMod has always been reliable for me and I flashed back to 2.0 earlier and it's just as reliable and power-saving as ever.
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For all that you're talking, you have yet to provide anything of value to this conversation while you're sitting up there berating those other 2 posters.
Think about it.
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Thanks for that.
Hello.
I have a general question I have been searching for on Google and the forum here. I am wondering if someone could tell me some areas that I will notice the benefits of overclocking. What I mean is, I understand it speeds up the CPU, but other than running a quadrant score (which means nothing to me really) where would you see the results to the naked eye?
Since flashing Lightspeed ROM and using Thor's Kernals it does appear that my internet pages load faster and the boot animations load faster. I think it seems like my thumb keyboards pop up a slight bit faster as well.
Are these the noticeable changes? Or are they just in my head since I am overclocking? (OR I think I am)
I am using SetCPU and have the Max set to about 1.5 and the Min set to 1.0 or 1.2 most of the time.
If someone could weigh in with some more knowledgeable information and possibly point me to a nice write up for Noobs like me who are interested in learning more about the benefits of Overclocking as well as maybe a guide for advice using SetCPU (or another App?) that is more recommended by those on here, I would appreciate it!
Thanks!!
Mine's takes about 30 seconds to boot from vibrate to lock screen if that makes any difference. OC to 1.5 using taboonay 2.0 with HV 3.4 kernal.
Mine defiantly seems to boot up faster. I do not play a lot of game on the tab, mainly just internet and movies, so I am not sure I am doing anything that would require such an increase in graphics speed that I am noticing the major differences. Right now I have mine set to about 1.4 and it is very stable with no problems. If I go to 1.6 I notice things start FC'ing more often.
HD playback has definitely improved since overclocking on 3.1, some 720p videos that suffered from random slow downs now play flawlessly with setcpu at 1.5 on performance mode, temps always stay below 35°c hours after being set to performance.
The rest is minor improvements.
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HD playback has definitely improved since overclocking on 3.1, some 720p videos that suffered from random slow downs now play flawlessly with setcpu at 1.5 on performance mode, temps always stay below 35°c hours after being set to performance.
The rest is minor improvements.
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Thanks. I will have to take a look at that tomorrow when I am stuck on the plane for a few hours.
After the release of Clemsyn's 1.6 GHz Kernel for CM7 based ROMs last night, I immediately switched to it just to see.
But before that I was running Faux123 1.3 GHz.
I'm keeping the Clemsyn kernel for now, simply because I can. My phone can run it with little difficulty thus far and I have a profile to lower the max freq when the CPU gets to a certain temperature. I think I went with about 65 Celsisus.
Before I switched back to CM7 (or rather Neutrino) I was using Wet Dream. I OCed to 1.45 then in attempt to compensate for only half decent webtop performance.
But now I really only do it because I can. Whenever possible, my phone is on the lapdock since I like to HDMI mirror. Battery is not a concern since the lapdock charges the phone and I pretty much always keep the lapdock charger on hand in my bag.
I just thought it would be an interesting subject for the community to discuss as I'm sure it's something that a number of us haven't even thought of and I bet a good number of us fall into the because I can or bragging rights category.
Specific instances of problems OCing helped with in x app or y app might make someone else want to OC whereas someone who doesn't OC might persuade a user like myself to drop it for amazing battery ETC.
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Why I DO OC.
Right now I have my Atrix OC'ed at 1.45. I'm currently running Alien ROM Build #4.
The CPU has never gotten past ~55º C.
I also have 2 profiles set
1 for Screen off - 800 MHz max.
1 for Battery< 10% -216 MHz max.
This paired with Alien ROM and LP has left me with a buttery smooth experience.
Is the 1.6 OC kernel worth giving a shot? Or does it make the CPU run excessively hot?
EDIT: I didn't really address battery life. I don't notice a huge decrease in battery life, I'm a pretty heavy user- SMS, Web, Video streaming, Facebook, Twitter. Over all OC'ing is definitely worth it to me.
I like to keep mine overclocked because it seems snapier. I use faux 1.45 and its great. Ive noticed clem's likes to make my phone very hot when running video or games and has actually shut my phone down due to heat. If I run clems I like to drop the overclock with setcpu to around 1.3 so it doesnt shut down but seems to get way hotter than faux's. Anything over 1.5 is just going to cause damage to peoples phones and IMO it should not be used so lightly.
I'm OC'd to 1.45ghz I do it for performance and those random times I need to benchmark I want to try 1.5-6 but I can't seem to get them to boot with the ICS mod2 cm7 so till cm9 or neutrino ill just float about with what I have
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No need for 1.6 IMO.
1.3 is plenty for the Atrix. Even Faux 1.0 is fine. Its a phone, not a PC.
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I dunno...my webtop configuration may want to take exception to that statement
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I dunno...my webtop configuration may want to take exception to that statement
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i honestly haven't been able to really tell a difference between 1.0 and 1.3GHz in most of my applications. it definitely doesn't help with system slowdown due to live wallpapers, which is a disappointment.
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Haha, I was in that boat before I switched to HDMI mirroring coupled with VNC or Splashtop (when applicable) from experience, I can tell why Webtop users want OC. You can turn your phone into such a useful computer, and then it falls flat on its face because the inner-workings aren't streamlined. The extra power DOES help in that situation.
But in my actual experience, I haven't seen many realworld benefits past 1.2.
Especially since 1.6 kept eventually shutting down on me after about an hour (assuming there is the same issue as in Clemsyn 1.5, setting your max to a lower frequency than 1.6 won't stick so my temperature profile wouldn't actually work)
My "because I can" mindset is going to leave me stuck on 1.45 though most likely. I keep it maxed at 1.2(or is it 1.1? I'm not using the kernel right now) and then have a profile to ramp it up to 1.45 when it's on the charger (aka my lapdock)
I don't think it is quite the same for Blur based ROMs, but on CM7 1.0 seems perfectly adequate for the Atrix. Even at it's stock speed, it is snappy.
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I dont overclock. I used to be at 1.3ghz, but I didnt see a big enough difference to keep it. At least on CM7, the Atrix is plenty fast on stock speed.
I overclock, but I wait for thoroughly tested kernels before doing so. Right now I'm with faux's v023r @ 1.3 Ghz. I'll try Clemsyn's after its second or third "redesign" or bugfix.
I stick to optimal battery life kernels rather than performance (faux 123 0.2.3 being the one I'm currently on and most likely will be for the foreseeable future)
Also I can't imagine performance possibly getting any quicker or running programs any faster than they already are on the atrix.
Honestly, I never understood why people oc their phone, especially the Atrix. I mean the phone is already fast being that it is 1Ghz dual core. Plus from what I have seen, the Atrix overheats like crazy with the stock frequency so why would you want to increase that even more, so it explodes? I use my phone to mostly play 3D games and I have never encountered any lag or low fps whenever I play games.
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Honestly, I never understood why people oc their phone, especially the Atrix. I mean the phone is already fast being that it is 1Ghz dual core. Plus from what I have seen, the Atrix overheats like crazy with the stock frequency so why would you want to increase that even more, so it explodes? I use my phone to mostly play 3D games and I have never encountered any lag or low fps whenever I play games.
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The Atrix is plenty fast already. I can understand if you OC a HTC Magic, or a Hero; but there's no real need to do so on the Atrix.
Idk I see a difference on any launcher when I flip through pages and through apps. 1.3 or 1.45. But I def notice the difference in snappyness.
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95% of the time I overclock I do it for getting awesome benchmark scores that I can admire. 5% of the time I do it when playing 3D games like Fruit Ninja, It seems a lot smoother to me. But I hardly ever do it because it sucks the battery down so fast, so usually I'm at 1ghz. Also it's just kind of cool to see the the potential the phone has when overclocking.
i used faux's kernel to overclock to 1.3 for a few months but i didnt really see any difference except when i run quadrant or how my phone got hotter than stock when under load. another thing that annoyed me with faux's kernel was constantly losing widgets on reboot. i use two batteries so i reboot pretty often.
I used faux 23r 1.4GHz with setCPU profiles.
Profiles clamped speed to 1ghz at cpu temp of 50degc and 800mhz at 60degc.
Most noticeable difference was in k9 mail, indexing and searching were slightly improved.
I ran it so I would get a short boost if the cpu was cold.
Matthew
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Hey
On my old and feeble Hero I had to OC, if I wanted it to run fine, however I never felt the need to OC my Atrix. it has so much juice in it without OC, making it useless to squeeze the battery for the extra 0.2-0.5 GHz. Moreover, since we have no real ICS, our CPU runs freely and waste energy for nothing, so OC it will just make it run ever faster for nothing (In Hebrew there is a saying- running full throttle on neutral ).
I used to run Faux123 1.0Ghz kernel just to UV the device, but since I flashed weekly 6 I use the stock kernel, and it runs great, no overheating, and extremely stable (What cannot be said on UV kernels...)
The only time i oc is when using webtop, that extra speed makes a difference. The rest of the its running at 1ghz and seems plenty
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