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FINALLY a fast phone (HTC Magic 32B)

Hey there,
I went through a lot of trouble to get my HTC Magic (32B) working really well,
just wanna share this for people who have issues with the phone's performance as well.
I've tried many things, including a swap partition (on a fast SD-Card) as well as compcache.
Turns out, disabling both did the trick. It FINALLY went from unusable to fast and enjoyable!
My current rom:
Cyanogenmod 6.1.0 RC1
Settings->Cyanogenmod-->Performance:
Compcache DISABLED
JIT Enabled (I noticed an increase in CPU Power with the linpack benchmark,
but it still seems underpowered at 3.3 mflops)
Dithering Disabled
Keep Home App in Cache Enabled
Keep MMS-App in Cache Enabled
VM Heap 16m
Also I am using SetCPU to overclock to 576mhz at the moment(feels like the battery is draining faster).
Another thing I did was to reduce number of Homescreens in ADWLauncher down to 3, since thats 'nuff for me.
Hope this helps someone out there, as I was about to shatter my phone into a million pieces :O
On a sidenote: How many mflops do you get with your Magic?

I have the same findings There was a point when swap, overclock, apps2SD, and compcache all would make a major speed-up on your phone, but the CM6.1RC and the nightlies that shortly preceded it have given me the best performance in my magic's history with all of it turned off.
My phone is configured very similar to yours. I went up to vm24 to smooth out how heavier applications run. I left JIT on despite the theoretical drawbacks because I notice no performance hit and it makes a difference on fractal rendering apps (I'm indifferent to benchmarks).
The CM forums seem to be in a bit of turmoil atm because people are slowing down their phones by applying mods that genuinely sped it up in the past.
But for the first time I can be widget-heavy, always go straight back to home, use window animations, never have choppy music (even when using navigation), use alternate keyboards with no performance hit, and even run a good few live wallpapers. All with unprecedented battery life? Not sure what CM did but he/they sure did it right.
One thing - overclocking your CPU will better your benchtest results but I think you'll surprise yourself by leaving it stock, and even (gasp!) underclocking it. CPU clockrate is one of many possible bottlenecks and considering the 1.5 and 1.6 official roms were capped at 384 (or 352 I can't remember), I doubt it is the culprit of possible slowdowns. I run at 384 almost all of the time and have noticed no side effect except for extreme battery life and added stability (615 gives me reboots). The only differences I've seen overclocking make are in fractal rendering apps and benchtests but Pandas vs. Ninjas and Raging Thunder rock at 384.

glad to see I'm not alone with this
I can still see the phone running out of ram when alot is going on, but its ok.
I'll try your suggestion and underclock the phone.
Another small tweak I just found:
under mobile network settings there is an option "only use 2G", which is checked by default. turning this off improved my connection speed (obviously).
but again this comes at the cost of battery-life.

[Q] Overclocking w/ NAND Desire HD/Z builds

Has anyone else noticed that when using NAND Desire HD/Z sense builds that their phone seems to run more smoothly after the 1st day or two running at stock speeds than it does when running overclocked?
I was getting a bit of lag here and there, and as expected after having streamed music literally all night via wifi the phone was a real dog first thing in the morning until the memory cleared out.
I noticed after a couple of days my phone would spontaneously reboot - I was overclocking to 1.5ghz using MDJ's 10.3OC kernel, so I figured that it was the overclock causing the reboot - sure enough the phone runs smooth as glass now that I've throttled it back to 1ghz (interactive governor).
Is it just my imagination?

It is hard to say really, as you will have different apps, widgets and syncs set up to me, plus we are running different builds, thus a direct comparison is very hard.
All that matters is what works for YOU.
FYI I don't find any meaningful benefit by overclocking. So I don't bother. I haven't really noticed a speed difference either way. If however it made a positive difference, I would.
Just for the record, benchmarking and Quadrant scores are nothing more than a waste of time and are only useful for arguments starting with the words "Mine is better than yours because...".

Curiousity always gets me to run Quadrant, but having seen varied phones with roller-coaster scores, I know the scores are not really any kind of valid gauge for real world performance.
I'm going to run my phone at stock speeds for the rest of the week and see how it does. I've got a feeling it will be running a lot smoother.

[REQUEST] Tegra GPU OC....

Hey everyone...I tell ya, I sure am enjoying all these awesome custom roms and kernels. Great job to all the developers here, putting in the blood, sweat, and tears for the advancement of the community, thank you so much. One feature that I saw in a Xoom build was the GPU overclocked, and while I'm sure it won't interest everyone, and there is probably only little gain to be had from it, I would love to have the option to oc the CPU and the GPU for the highest performance possible...please. Well I think that covers it unless someone else shares my desire to see this feature. Thanks for all your work and consideration XDA and have a great day.

if ur CPU OC than GPU too

Apparently not so on the Motorola Xoom as there are two versions of Tiamat 1.4.4... with and without GPU OC. Tiamat 1.4.4 Full Throttle

cq842000 said:
Apparently not so on the Motorola Xoom as there are two versions of Tiamat 1.4.4... with and without GPU OC. Tiamat 1.4.4 Full Throttle
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oc-ing the gpu doesnt get you anything... gpu is default 200mhz 2d with 300mhz in 3d and it can be uped to 250mhz 2d and 400mhz 3d but it cant be software controlled and it will eat more power...
and no oc-ing the cpu doesn't oc the gpu, its a separate part of the tegra2 processor

Hey Thor, thanks for joining the conversation. Based on what youve seen so far, how well are the tegra GPU cores being utilized? Suffice to say I've pulled off insane desktop GPU overclocks that showed almost nill gain with drivers that werent mature in which the GPU cores werent being loaded past 50% . I realize that the tegra is a horse of a different color, but isnt it still affected by the specific driver optimizations, hence the THD enhancements? Just out of curiosity as I very much trust your experience. I am still interested in trying it with definitive comparisons to follow...well about as definitive as synthetic benchmarks can be anyway.
I just saw that you have a new beta... Yay. I cant wait to give it a whirl.

I have been over locked for a little while. Max I have done is 1506 but it tends to be slightly unstable. I run 1400 now and haven't had any issues. biggest difference I notice is home screen transitions load fast and don't lag and programs load much quicker. there doesnt seem to be any games that will push the CPU hard so I don't notice much of a difference there.
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specd_out said:
I have been over locked for a little while. Max I have done is 1506 but it tends to be slightly unstable. I run 1400 now and haven't had any issues. biggest difference I notice is home screen transitions load fast and don't lag and programs load much quicker. there doesnt seem to be any games that will push the CPU hard so I don't notice much of a difference there.
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I've had 1600mhz going strong with no instability, benchmark after benchmark, the only issue I've had is the device shutting down when left alone for too long, but I consider that a useful standard function. Otherwise 1600 performance has been rock solid. I decided to take it upon myself to take this girl apart' clean the CPU off, remove the thermal pad, and apply some as5....though the chip didnt really run very hot to begin with. Now until I have the option to go for 1800mhz, I'd like to see where the max threshold is for cpu/gpu oc.

I have mine overclocked also at 1600.. Runs very stable at this speed and benchmarks not too bad:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/device20110712225412.png/
I have had higher speeds, but very unstable...

thor2002ro said:
oc-ing the gpu doesnt get you anything... gpu is default 200mhz 2d with 300mhz in 3d and it can be uped to 250mhz 2d and 400mhz 3d but it cant be software controlled and it will eat more power...
and no oc-ing the cpu doesn't oc the gpu, its a separate part of the tegra2 processor
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Can only the 3D Clocks be altered without touching 2D? If yes can you make such a version of the ........... that "nobody" knows anything about?

Trinnity66 said:
I have mine overclocked also at 1600.. Runs very stable at this speed and benchmarks not too bad:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/device20110712225412.png/
I have had higher speeds, but very unstable...
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Very nice quadrant score man, I used to score alot higher until I updated to stock 3.1+ updates. It seems like the higher my OS version number gets, the lower my synthetic performance gets overall.

cq842000 said:
I've had 1600mhz going strong with no instability, benchmark after benchmark, the only issue I've had is the device shutting down when left alone for too long, but I consider that a useful standard function. Otherwise 1600 performance has been rock solid. I decided to take it upon myself to take this girl apart' clean the CPU off, remove the thermal pad, and apply some as5....though the chip didnt really run very hot to begin with. Now until I have the option to go for 1800mhz, I'd like to see where the max threshold is for cpu/gpu oc.
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that's what mine did. it would reboot while sleeping. sometimes it would be 3 or 4 times in an hour.

Trinnity66 said:
I have mine overclocked also at 1600.. Runs very stable at this speed and benchmarks not too bad:
I have had higher speeds, but very unstable...
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Wow!
Umm, what rom do you guys run for this? I'm on rooted and CWMd stock 3.1 rom. Can't find a OC kernel for it. Only one I can find is for ASUS based roms. I prefer to keep stock rom if it's possible.
ME: Asus A500 Iconia USA wifi only. HC 3.1

nexgenasian said:
Wow!
Umm, what rom do you guys run for this? I'm on rooted and CWMd stock 3.1 rom. Can't find a OC kernel for it. Only one I can find is for ASUS based roms. I prefer to keep stock rom if it's possible.
ME: Asus A500 Iconia USA wifi only. HC 3.1
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You should try richardtrip's kernel. His kernel is keep updating Very good performance and stability.

thats the kernel i am using o/c 1400 works very well. you can find it in the development thread.

ardatdat said:
You should try richardtrip's kernel. His kernel is keep updating Very good performance and stability.
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Thanks! Works great. Do you feel the HoneyVillian rom runs faster with the v2.4 Kernel or about the same as stock Acer 3.1 HC rom with v2.4 Kernel?
So far I can keep stable at 1.5 after 2 hours of use. It's also slept for 30 mins and seems ok at that too.
Also what kind of Scaling do you guys use? Ondeman, Interactive? On my phone I use ondemand.

[Benchmark] Mobile Web Browser Comparison for Android

Hi Guys,
Like most of you I own a Iconia500 and I've tested a lot of ROM available on this forum. But hard to decide wich one to go with. the processing power is not all and the fluidity of the interface and the browsing are a lot more important to me.
So I've decided to test 6 Roms available on the forum with this:
Test protocol:
Fresh install
setcpu installed and locked to 1000Mhz
reboot and launch of the test
Here are the results:
Score 974 - ROM: Minimalist 3.1
Score 961 - ROM: Taboonay 1.0.6
Score 961 - ROM: Virtuous Thrive 1.0.1
Score 960 - ROM: HoneyVillain 1.04
Score 954 - ROM: Acer Stock Rom
Score 948 - ROM: Virtuous Picasso 1.1.0
Score 945 - ROM: Lightspeed 1.0
Score 940 - ROM: Virtuous Galaxy 1.0.5
Score 848 - ROM: Virtuous Xoom 1.1.2
I hope if helps,
Peace

and stock score ?
I got 954

sanaell said:
and stock score ?
I got 954
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Thanks, table updated.

Interesting tool, thanks for sharing. I get what you are after by comparing all ROMs at 1.0GHz, but don't forget that the more processing power you have (i.e. overclocking), the better your fluidity and browsing experience will be on any given ROM. I just ran a quick and dirty test (didn't reboot or anything) on my customized stock ROM with a 1.5GHz OC kernel with the "On Demand" governor (I used No-frills CPU control) and scored a 1222 with all bars being thicker than when running at 1.0GHz. Without overclocking I scored a 971. Even the stock kernel frequency tables are setup to be able to be OC'ed at 1.2GHz....so don't be afraid to goose that CPU a bit to get that tegra 2 performance you paid$ for

but OC = more power = less battery...

sanaell said:
but OC = more power = less battery...
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Yes, but only when you are using it...after the web page has loaded the cpu scales frequency back down if you are setup properly. It really depends on how you use your tablet, but I don't notice much difference at all in battery life the way I use mine (web browsing with flash, email, occasional movies and games). I still have to charge it every night either way after 6-8hrs of heavy use. The screen takes far more battery than anything else...live wallpaper would likely take more battery per charge cycle than an on demand [email protected] depending on how you use your tablet. IMHO, OC'ing to 1.2GHz is a no-brainer unless you are one of those guys on the road that needs to get every minute of life out of it. If that is what you need, then the iconia probably wasn't the best tablet to buy. After you OC, it's hard to go back as flash/web pages etc. load quite a bit faster as shown by the benchmark test.

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IMHO, OC'ing to 1.2GHz is a no-brainer
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I disagree. I didn't notice enough of a difference to warrant the loss in battery. I rarely even play any games and the games I play already run at 30 fps without OC so why the need to OC at all?

WereCatf said:
I disagree. I didn't notice enough of a difference to warrant the loss in battery. I rarely even play any games and the games I play already run at 30 fps without OC so why the need to OC at all?
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Battery drain would depend on which kernel and governor you used and how you use your tablet. Some kernel sources I have studied have their OC current set higher than is necessary. The one posted by Richard Trip/Roggin is very reasonable by default and you can even adjust uV by frequency to improve battery usage. The games you mention are likely using the tegra GPU/hardware, so the OC won't help you a bit there. I noticed the performance the most with flash loading on web pages. Give me a little more power on demand and I am a happy camper. If you really need that extra few minutes of battery, then I can understand. But, think about it...if you are browsing a lot, you can do more within a shorter period of time so it all comes out the same in the end.

I did a comparison @ same frequency to be a base for real comparison, you can overclock or use custom kernel, still, it is just a base

_motley said:
But, think about it...if you are browsing a lot, you can do more within a shorter period of time so it all comes out the same in the end.
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My reading speed isn't affected by the clockspeed of my tablet, so I'll still spend the same amount of time on a website..

WereCatf said:
My reading speed isn't affected by the clockspeed of my tablet, so I'll still spend the same amount of time on a website..
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When you are reading after it has loaded, the clock speed is the same as stock...it doesn't stay pegged at the OC speed all the time, the on-demand governor takes care of that for you

agreed but still the reaction is not instantaneous and some people just want to play with overclocking.
I found the benchmark tool interesting because it does not focus on pure force power but on user perception of the interface and after all I am a user

OP updated with a new ROM

Why do YOU Overclock (or refuse to) on the Atrix?

After the release of Clemsyn's 1.6 GHz Kernel for CM7 based ROMs last night, I immediately switched to it just to see.
But before that I was running Faux123 1.3 GHz.
I'm keeping the Clemsyn kernel for now, simply because I can. My phone can run it with little difficulty thus far and I have a profile to lower the max freq when the CPU gets to a certain temperature. I think I went with about 65 Celsisus.
Before I switched back to CM7 (or rather Neutrino) I was using Wet Dream. I OCed to 1.45 then in attempt to compensate for only half decent webtop performance.
But now I really only do it because I can. Whenever possible, my phone is on the lapdock since I like to HDMI mirror. Battery is not a concern since the lapdock charges the phone and I pretty much always keep the lapdock charger on hand in my bag.
I just thought it would be an interesting subject for the community to discuss as I'm sure it's something that a number of us haven't even thought of and I bet a good number of us fall into the because I can or bragging rights category.
Specific instances of problems OCing helped with in x app or y app might make someone else want to OC whereas someone who doesn't OC might persuade a user like myself to drop it for amazing battery ETC.
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Why I DO OC.
Right now I have my Atrix OC'ed at 1.45. I'm currently running Alien ROM Build #4.
The CPU has never gotten past ~55º C.
I also have 2 profiles set
1 for Screen off - 800 MHz max.
1 for Battery< 10% -216 MHz max.
This paired with Alien ROM and LP has left me with a buttery smooth experience.
Is the 1.6 OC kernel worth giving a shot? Or does it make the CPU run excessively hot?
EDIT: I didn't really address battery life. I don't notice a huge decrease in battery life, I'm a pretty heavy user- SMS, Web, Video streaming, Facebook, Twitter. Over all OC'ing is definitely worth it to me.

I like to keep mine overclocked because it seems snapier. I use faux 1.45 and its great. Ive noticed clem's likes to make my phone very hot when running video or games and has actually shut my phone down due to heat. If I run clems I like to drop the overclock with setcpu to around 1.3 so it doesnt shut down but seems to get way hotter than faux's. Anything over 1.5 is just going to cause damage to peoples phones and IMO it should not be used so lightly.

I'm OC'd to 1.45ghz I do it for performance and those random times I need to benchmark I want to try 1.5-6 but I can't seem to get them to boot with the ICS mod2 cm7 so till cm9 or neutrino ill just float about with what I have
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No need for 1.6 IMO.
1.3 is plenty for the Atrix. Even Faux 1.0 is fine. Its a phone, not a PC.
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I dunno...my webtop configuration may want to take exception to that statement

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I dunno...my webtop configuration may want to take exception to that statement
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i honestly haven't been able to really tell a difference between 1.0 and 1.3GHz in most of my applications. it definitely doesn't help with system slowdown due to live wallpapers, which is a disappointment.

troycarpenter said:
I dunno...my webtop configuration may want to take exception to that statement
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Haha, I was in that boat before I switched to HDMI mirroring coupled with VNC or Splashtop (when applicable) from experience, I can tell why Webtop users want OC. You can turn your phone into such a useful computer, and then it falls flat on its face because the inner-workings aren't streamlined. The extra power DOES help in that situation.
But in my actual experience, I haven't seen many realworld benefits past 1.2.
Especially since 1.6 kept eventually shutting down on me after about an hour (assuming there is the same issue as in Clemsyn 1.5, setting your max to a lower frequency than 1.6 won't stick so my temperature profile wouldn't actually work)
My "because I can" mindset is going to leave me stuck on 1.45 though most likely. I keep it maxed at 1.2(or is it 1.1? I'm not using the kernel right now) and then have a profile to ramp it up to 1.45 when it's on the charger (aka my lapdock)
I don't think it is quite the same for Blur based ROMs, but on CM7 1.0 seems perfectly adequate for the Atrix. Even at it's stock speed, it is snappy.
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I dont overclock. I used to be at 1.3ghz, but I didnt see a big enough difference to keep it. At least on CM7, the Atrix is plenty fast on stock speed.

I overclock, but I wait for thoroughly tested kernels before doing so. Right now I'm with faux's v023r @ 1.3 Ghz. I'll try Clemsyn's after its second or third "redesign" or bugfix.

I stick to optimal battery life kernels rather than performance (faux 123 0.2.3 being the one I'm currently on and most likely will be for the foreseeable future)
Also I can't imagine performance possibly getting any quicker or running programs any faster than they already are on the atrix.

Honestly, I never understood why people oc their phone, especially the Atrix. I mean the phone is already fast being that it is 1Ghz dual core. Plus from what I have seen, the Atrix overheats like crazy with the stock frequency so why would you want to increase that even more, so it explodes? I use my phone to mostly play 3D games and I have never encountered any lag or low fps whenever I play games.

Atrix_Owner said:
Honestly, I never understood why people oc their phone, especially the Atrix. I mean the phone is already fast being that it is 1Ghz dual core. Plus from what I have seen, the Atrix overheats like crazy with the stock frequency so why would you want to increase that even more, so it explodes? I use my phone to mostly play 3D games and I have never encountered any lag or low fps whenever I play games.
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The Atrix is plenty fast already. I can understand if you OC a HTC Magic, or a Hero; but there's no real need to do so on the Atrix.

Idk I see a difference on any launcher when I flip through pages and through apps. 1.3 or 1.45. But I def notice the difference in snappyness.
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95% of the time I overclock I do it for getting awesome benchmark scores that I can admire. 5% of the time I do it when playing 3D games like Fruit Ninja, It seems a lot smoother to me. But I hardly ever do it because it sucks the battery down so fast, so usually I'm at 1ghz. Also it's just kind of cool to see the the potential the phone has when overclocking.

i used faux's kernel to overclock to 1.3 for a few months but i didnt really see any difference except when i run quadrant or how my phone got hotter than stock when under load. another thing that annoyed me with faux's kernel was constantly losing widgets on reboot. i use two batteries so i reboot pretty often.

I used faux 23r 1.4GHz with setCPU profiles.
Profiles clamped speed to 1ghz at cpu temp of 50degc and 800mhz at 60degc.
Most noticeable difference was in k9 mail, indexing and searching were slightly improved.
I ran it so I would get a short boost if the cpu was cold.
Matthew
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Hey
On my old and feeble Hero I had to OC, if I wanted it to run fine, however I never felt the need to OC my Atrix. it has so much juice in it without OC, making it useless to squeeze the battery for the extra 0.2-0.5 GHz. Moreover, since we have no real ICS, our CPU runs freely and waste energy for nothing, so OC it will just make it run ever faster for nothing (In Hebrew there is a saying- running full throttle on neutral ).
I used to run Faux123 1.0Ghz kernel just to UV the device, but since I flashed weekly 6 I use the stock kernel, and it runs great, no overheating, and extremely stable (What cannot be said on UV kernels...)

The only time i oc is when using webtop, that extra speed makes a difference. The rest of the its running at 1ghz and seems plenty
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