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I'm new to the forums. I can't decide yet which phone should i choose. Though i know here is Galaxys forum, but i'm glad to listen to your advices.
1.Screen SAMOLED VS 4.3 inch
2.GPU 540>530 I9000 is better But i wanna know how 540 much better than 530. Is that a large gap or just small?
3.Do you think that i9000 looks like a iphone? Droid x looks much better than i9000 Just outward appearance.
4.What about the cpu?
Plz help me to make a choice between two good devices THX a lot~~
freelo123 said:
I'm new to the forums. I can't decide yet which phone should i choose. Though i know here is Galaxys forum, but i'm glad to listen to your advices.
1.Screen SAMOLED VS 4.3 inch
2.GPU 540>530 I9000 is better But i wanna know how 540 much better than 530. Is that a large gap or just small?
3.Do you think that i9000 looks like a iphone? Droid x looks much better than i9000 Just outward appearance.
4.What about the cpu?
Plz help me to make a choice between two good devices THX a lot~~
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In my opinion this really comes down to your choice of carriers and like or
dislike for slightly larger screens. Everything else is more or less kind of a wash.
The screens are comparable in quality, many will prefer the SAMOLED due to the
richer colors and better darks. Many will think the LCD on the Droid X is perfectly fine. I had a Nexus one prior to my Droid X and feel that the screens were comparable. Due to personal preference of size I pick the Droid X. I have gorilla hands so the extra space is welcomed when it comes to me using the phone.
As for the graphics processing:
Droid X /w SGX530 (13 MPolys/s, 500Mpx/[email protected])
Samsung I9000 /w SGX540 (28 MPolys/s, 1Gpx/[email protected]
While the 540 chip does kick up the graphics performance by quite a bit I feel that in the current software market it doesnt matter. Most games and emulators work without much of a hitch on the Nexus One which is pretty weak compared to the Droid X graphics, let alone the I9000. The Droid X handles graphics and benchmarks with ease. While the I9000 would play just as well as the Droid X but slam the crap out of it in benchmarks.
My point? Until we get software that actually uses the graphics horsepower we have it makes no difference. My quality of gaming is close to equal to the I9000 and is only slightly better than the Nexus One (Nexus has the occasional hiccup due to slower graphics).
In the end I feel it comes down to carrier preference, screen preference and feature preference. Aesthetics could come into play as well. I really like the way
the Droid X looks and feels.
Both phones do have a huge advantage over te snapdragon powered phones in that they have a whole separate GPU. The TI and hummingbird are basically equal as far as CPU'S te SGS maily pulls ahead bc of te GPU. However, not to slam the HTC phones but both the X and SGS have far superior CPU's compared to snapdragon. I will def say that the build quality of te motorola droid series are second to none. Mostly metal as well they come with guerrilla glass which is much stronger than normal glass found in cell phones. Also when we get the ability on the x i believe that the OC ability will be greater on the x if they original droid says anything about the processors ability. The D1 could have its stock clock speed almost tripled, not to say that the hummingbird cant be done that way either. Te snapdragon is a good CPU as far as application processing goes but doesn't hold a bar to the hummingbird or TI OMAP overall. It really all comes down to user choice. Motorola has shown strong support for the droid series bc the droid 1 has has 3 os upgrades (2.01, 2.1, 2.2) so i think they will continue to support there phones strongly. Good luck in ur choice!!
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freelo123 said:
I'm new to the forums. I can't decide yet which phone should i choose. Though i know here is Galaxys forum, but i'm glad to listen to your advices.
1.Screen SAMOLED VS 4.3 inch
2.GPU 540>530 I9000 is better But i wanna know how 540 much better than 530. Is that a large gap or just small?
3.Do you think that i9000 looks like a iphone? Droid x looks much better than i9000 Just outward appearance.
4.What about the cpu?
Plz help me to make a choice between two good devices THX a lot~~
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It comes down to what you like. I have the Droid X and Droix 1. My Droid was fast but the Droid X speed is amazing. As for the Sanding Galaxy S series they are great phones. A coworker has the T-mo version the Vibrant.
I do think it looks like the iPhone. When my coworker brought it I thought she had moved to Att. The phone seems no faster than my Droid X or even Droid 1. However the SuperAmoled screen is definitely crisper and more Vibrant.
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Is the text crisper? I thought SAMOLED's sub-pixel matrix left a slight color halo around sharp edges, like text (they compensate with beyer color contrast).
Thank you all guys' advises. I do love DROIDX and i believe there is no difference between two good devices. Droid X can run all the apps smoothly just like what I9000 can do. 540 is much better than 530 in data but there is a small gap in actual use.
I'm really disappointed in mto who just put efuse and 530 in droidx..
The eFuse so far has not been an issue at all. What makes you think it will become one?
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What I mean is, the eFuse is not some sort of "OMG you cannot mod this phone because it will brick itself forever!" kind of scenario. Its simply got a locked boot loader, so it will take a bit longer for it to be hacked and for smart people to figure out a way around that. We have root and we have SBF, and the two together gives you the ability to modify just about anything on the DroidX and fix it if you "break" it. So, whats the big deal?
i have the droid x and the samsung vibrant.....both are really nice phones.
the vibrant screen is more...well.....'vibrant', and i actually prefer it to the droid x screen but mine has a bluish tint when brightness is set to low levels.
the vibrant actually has MORE lag than the droid x, especially when opening and closing apps. it's not something you notice on all apps, but sometimes it's ridiculous, especially considering the 'horsepower' of the vibrant. as far as games go, i really don't notice the difference between the two, other than the fact that the vibrant is much more colorful.
yes, the vibrant looks a lot like my iphone 2g. whether that's bad or good is up to you.
the droid x feels MUCH more solidly built and my vibrant already has a minor 'squeak' or two....nothing major though.
for myself, the droid x screen is a bit more visible in direct sunlight.
MOST importantly, verizon has MUCH better coverage where i live now. i spent the weekend out of the city and my vibrant had ZERO signal....makes the choice between the two easier
gerelee said:
i have the droid x and the samsung vibrant.....both are really nice phones.
the vibrant screen is more...well.....'vibrant', and i actually prefer it to the droid x screen but mine has a bluish tint when brightness is set to low levels.
the vibrant actually has MORE lag than the droid x, especially when opening and closing apps. it's not something you notice on all apps, but sometimes it's ridiculous, especially considering the 'horsepower' of the vibrant. as far as games go, i really don't notice the difference between the two, other than the fact that the vibrant is much more colorful.
yes, the vibrant looks a lot like my iphone 2g. whether that's bad or good is up to you.
the droid x feels MUCH more solidly built and my vibrant already has a minor 'squeak' or two....nothing major though.
for myself, the droid x screen is a bit more visible in direct sunlight.
MOST importantly, verizon has MUCH better coverage where i live now. i spent the weekend out of the city and my vibrant had ZERO signal....makes the choice between the two easier
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That's really a nice advise for me. I do love Droid X so so much. Droid X was so cool when i just saw him at the first time. To be honest i dont love the appearance of i9000. So i think i've had the decision.
i don't think you can go wrong with either choice though it looks like you've settled on the droid x. i hope you enjoy it
I think the boot loader/eFuse issue will become more apparent when we get to gingerbread and beyond. Who knows how long or how speedily Moto will support the X. at least with the Galaxy S's you'll have other options.
Regarding the faster app startup on the X, I think it has faster access memory. At lest it send that way.
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Regarding the faster app startup on the X, I think it has faster access memory. At lest it send that way.
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No it doesn't..the Vibrant as is has a bug in the I/O and the RFS system..the community already made a workaround to get it working properly...it gets 2200+ quadrant scores as well with the fix running 2.1 lol
Either way the lag is fixed once you do that I/O fix...my guess is samsung will release an official fix for the I/O as well...
How does TouchWiz 3.0 compare to nijablur?
I would think Froyo 2.2 should see a larger improvement on the Galaxy S compared to Droid X going from 2.1 to 2.2.
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How does TouchWiz 3.0 compare to nijablur?
I would think Froyo 2.2 should see a larger improvement on the Galaxy S compared to Droid X going from 2.1 to 2.2.
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You gotta judge that for yourself..personally I like Touchwiz 3.0 better then sense and motoblur....but thats my personal opinion...some people hate on Touchwiz 3.0 because they don't realize its completely different then the previous Touchwiz...best way is to try it yourself since everyone has their preferences. Most of the hate so far for Touchwiz 3.0 was the "iphonish" look rather then anything else lol
As for improvement, I hope so..with the I/O fix the I9000 gets a 2200+ Quadrant score running 2.1...now Imagine running froyo?!?!? If it hits 5000 I'd wet my pants lol
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You gotta judge that for yourself..personally I like Touchwiz 3.0 better then sense and motoblur....but thats my personal opinion...some people hate on Touchwiz 3.0 because they don't realize its completely different then the previous Touchwiz...best way is to try it yourself since everyone has their preferences. Most of the hate so far for Touchwiz 3.0 was the "iphonish" look rather then anything else lol
As for improvement, I hope so..with the I/O fix the I9000 gets a 2200+ Quadrant score running 2.1...now Imagine running froyo?!?!? If it hits 5000 I'd wet my pants lol
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Its been coming out from multiple sources that this is only because a partitioning tweak being done for the most part. Not saying it isn't a nice phone but comeon. You get one benchmark and all of a sudden its pants wetting time? The Droid X and the Samsung are pretty much right next to each other in real performance.
Enndr said:
Its been coming out from multiple sources that this is only because a partitioning tweak being done for the most part. Not saying it isn't a nice phone but comeon. You get one benchmark and all of a sudden its pants wetting time? The Droid X and the Samsung are pretty much right next to each other in real performance.
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I said if the Galaxy S hits 5000 quadrant score with Froyo then its pants wetting time...
The Droid X is a nice phone yes..BUT the specs on the Galaxy S is a lot higher.
1ghz OMAP(Droid X) < 1ghz Hummingbird(Galaxy S)
SGX530(Droid X) < SGX540(Galaxy S)
SGX530 (13 MPolys/s, 500Mpx/[email protected]) for the handheld mobile market
SGX535 (28 MPolys/s, 500Mpx/[email protected]) - http://www.imgtec.com/partners/NEC.asp http://www2.renesas.com/news/en/archive/0710/0201.html (Intel calls it the GMA 500)
SGX540 (90 MPolys/s, 1Gpx/[email protected], Max Memory Band (GB/s) 4.2GB/s) for handheld high end mobile, portable, MID, UMPC, consumer, and automotive devices
Even the iPhone 4 has a SGX535 which is 2x better gpu then whats in a Droid X...the GPU in the Galaxy S though is sick..it pretty much is better then a PS2 ...
What apps besides a handful of intensive 3D games use the GPU?
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What apps besides a handful of intensive 3D games use the GPU?
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Games, Flash and Video...and once the Gingerbread comes out the whole OS.
none of us will care by then, as we will have moved on to the next 'hot' phone, lol!
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none of us will care by then, as we will have moved on to the next 'hot' phone, lol!
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Gingerbread is gonna come out this fall...but performance wise the Galaxy S is actually pretty good...The Galaxy S is pretty much 3x more powerful then an EVO...so I can easily see it lasting at least a year...if anything will bottleneck this phone for future is the 512mb ram...or if dual cores are implemented will enable better multithreading..but these features will take time to implement...
This is why the Galaxy S is pretty much the best it can get in the specs given and should last at least a year.
i went to an undisclosed event and launched quadrants on a moto droid 2 and was very Disappointed with the results it only scored an average of 899 even with froyo installed I also had the chance to run linpack and it only scored 12s and below. The thing that got me is it was in out of the box condition it wasn’t activated I had to put it on wifi to access the market so it was all stock and just bloated out really really bad so all those that were holding their breath for the droid 2 I would say go get a droid x. sorry no pics the moto rep caught me trying
Quadrant was low... Maybe due to the gpu? But the linpack in the 12s is pretty high for stock!
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That almost makes no since considering that i average 1200 on quadrant now so i can't imagine after the 450% speed increase
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the JIT is not on/running. Check out all droid. The purchased a dev dx running 2.2 and enabled JIT and ran a benchmark. 1558
Also when i first benchmarked my x it was extremely low, i don't know why, but my score doubled and as i stated on droid-life.com i was able to play with a D2 in stow and its quadrant was nearly twice what my x usually gets. There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that moto is going to push a feoyo to the x that will slow it down. Let's just chill guys, besides, we will b able to hopefully flash roms soo. Enough considering that there is now officially a droid x with a custom recovery, when froyo gets to us it will b rock solid ori will buy the fascinate. Bottom line.
Edit: 1558 on the x with froyo is still low, once everything is running as it should b its money in the bank that it will b over 2000+
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Quadrant was low... Maybe due to the gpu? But the linpack in the 12s is pretty high for stock!
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not for (a jit enabled) froyo!
first i really wanted to buy the D2 but the locked bootloader killed it for me!
now i have the galaxy s and get 2200+ on android2.1 ... in your face motorola
jodue said:
not for (a jit enabled) froyo!
first i really wanted to buy the D2 but the locked bootloader killed it for me!
now i have the galaxy s and get 2200+ on android2.1 ... in your face motorola
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My guess is you are using the speed hack where you mount the apps/data to the SD Card. After talking to a coworker who did the same thing, he found the phone was no faster. It's because Quadrant is getting 'artificial' rw speeds from writing to the SD Card. Turns out the commands are being sent but are being queued (at least that's how it was explained) so nothing is terribly faster, at least not till FroYo.
Though the 3D tests did get a large FPS jump. Hopefully we can do something similar with the X.
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My guess is you are using the speed hack where you mount the apps/data to the SD Card. After talking to a coworker who did the same thing, he found the phone was no faster. It's because Quadrant is getting 'artificial' rw speeds from writing to the SD Card. Turns out the commands are being sent but are being queued (at least that's how it was explained) so nothing is terribly faster, at least not till FroYo.
Though the 3D tests did get a large FPS jump. Hopefully we can do something similar with the X.
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not exactly. there is a new fix which creates a virtual ext2 partition for the data(base) files ... it sounds dumb but makes sense because the crappy rfs from samsung seems to kill db performance which was the reason for the lagging in the 1st place. this fix actually improves the responsiveness of the device. switches between apps are a lot faster.
but you are right of course, benchmark results don't show real life performance ...
The new myTouchHD got benckmarked here http://androidapproved.com/item/tmobile-mytouch-hd-benchmarked-video/
I don't think the vibrant can stack up to these new phones even with 2.2. I've seen some galaxy s phones with 2.2 (i9000 and captivate) even though they are not 100% they are stable enough for everyday use and the score doesn't even come close to this or to the G2.
felix.akinyemi said:
The new myTouchHD got benckmarked here http://androidapproved.com/item/tmobile-mytouch-hd-benchmarked-video/
I don't think the vibrant can stack up to these new phones even with 2.2. I've seen some galaxy s phones with 2.2 (i9000 and captivate) even though they are not 100% they are stable enough for everyday use and the score doesn't even come close to this or to the G2.
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How is the Vibrant questionable because there's a faster phone? Slap on Bionix or one of Eugene's ROMs and you'll have a flawless experience. My phone flies, benchmarks be damned, so what am I missing out on? Besides, neither of those new phones has this gorgeous screen, so meh.
felix.akinyemi said:
The new myTouchHD got benckmarked here http://androidapproved.com/item/tmobile-mytouch-hd-benchmarked-video/
I don't think the vibrant can stack up to these new phones even with 2.2. I've seen some galaxy s phones with 2.2 (i9000 and captivate) even though they are not 100% they are stable enough for everyday use and the score doesn't even come close to this or to the G2.
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Those ROMs that aren't 100% typically don't have JIT & that's the main thing that makes froyo benchmark faster.
Also, keep in mind most the benchmarking apps were pretty much designed around the snapdragon, the hummingbird processor doesn't score as high as it should.
Also, it still has a better GPU than the other phones, so even if they do benchmark better (when everything is equal), the SGS series can still beat them in other things.
But, just as with PCs, the second you bought it, it was already obsolete. This phone came out in what, July, it's been long enough that it shouldn't be top of the heap anymore & if you expected it to stay the best forever, you were wrong.
I agree but how are we certain they are going to include jit...so far haven't seen it in any of the leaked roms. You think at this close to a complete stage they will have it implemented by now??
Im running Bionix on my phone and yes it flys...
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I agree but how are we certain they are going to include jit...so far haven't seen it in any of the leaked roms. You think at this close to a complete stage they will have it implemented by now??
Im running Bionix on my phone and yes it flys...
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Eugenes group froyo rom has it enabled & its pretty nice. Not to start anything but IMO the phone is capable to give the average user a good experience of "android", the best? That's up to sammy & tmo...
Question the phone now, sell it now (while it has value). I hated my G1 pre CM.... Couldn't sell it for anything after other phones started coming out. Just head the recent flaws of G2.... Grass always seems greener on the other side.
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I agree but how are we certain they are going to include jit...so far haven't seen it in any of the leaked roms. You think at this close to a complete stage they will have it implemented by now??
Im running Bionix on my phone and yes it flys...
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Well for that, we'll have to wait for the I9000 to start getting its froyo drop to know.
If it were anyone but Samsung, I'd say "of course they'll have it! What do you think they are, stupid!" But, with Samsung, they'll piss off their entire current userbase to try and get that next group of suckers to buy their phones.
If Cyanogen can get JIT working on a G1/MT [even though it was essentially useless for them because of RAM limitations], I don't see why Samsung should have any problems with it.
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Eugenes group froyo rom has it enabled & its pretty nice. Not to start anything but IMO the phone is capable to give the average user a good experience of "android", the best? That's up to sammy & tmo...
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Ah, I didn't realize that any of the froyo ROMs had it. I probably stopped reading when I saw that the GPS was useless though [haven't looked in a while, that may have been fixed].
Geez you guys are uninformed. Froyo for the Galaxy S line HAS JIT and has had it for awhile. Even Eugene's new Froyo port has JIT enabled.
Kubernetes said:
How is the Vibrant questionable because there's a faster phone? Slap on Bionix or one of Eugene's ROMs and you'll have a flawless experience. My phone flies, benchmarks be damned, so what am I missing out on? Besides, neither of those new phones has this gorgeous screen, so meh.
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How can phones that come out after our phone possibly be faster and/or better? No way.. I thought once a great phone was released that manufacturers had to bow down with respect and release inferior product.
tjhart85 said:
But, just as with PCs, the second you bought it, it was already obsolete. This phone came out in what, July, it's been long enough that it shouldn't be top of the heap anymore & if you expected it to stay the best forever, you were wrong.
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Agreed. I'm happy with my phone as is and who honestly thought this phone or any other would remain on the tip top for long?
Sexy Vibrant featuring Sombionix 1.9.1, JAC's OC/UV, FFC installed
Benchmarks are everything and all...
Real world performance =/= benchmark performance and real world you'd be hard pressed to tell any difference between an SGS (when it finally has an optimized Froyo build), G2, mytouch hd etc.
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Benchmarks are everything and all...
Real world performance =/= benchmark performance and real world you'd be hard pressed to tell any difference between an SGS (when it finally has an optimized Froyo build), G2, mytouch hd etc.
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I agree. Benchmark does in a way determine real world use. Benchmark tests the power of the CPU and GPU >> the power of the CPU and GPU determines the real world use.
Good CPU+GPU = Proud owner of vibrant
What benchmark is this? Galaxy S has highest score in Quandrant.
smartphonebenchmarks(dot)com
Vibrant has a super gorgeous 4" SAMOLED!!
We need more high quality 3D games. Even G2 or MyTouch HD/4G can't beat vibrant when it comes to the performance of 3D gaming.
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Okay... the phone lineup for Sprint has been getting really ridiculous. Tmobile has been getting amazing phones. Verizon has been getting amazing phones. ATT has been getting amazing phones.
Sprint? Another friggin Evo with a hardware keyboard? COME. ON.
I think I'm bailing soon. The Evo was cool at first but has already showed its 2008 age hardware to be slowing down. I cant stand the lag on a 2010 phone. The GPU sucks making all future gpu acceleration useless and games run like ballsack on it already. The screen is nice but does not makeup for its flaws. The camera is sticking out like a giant ass that can't be blocked.
*sigh*
Sprint just needs more phones to choose from....
wait for ces they should have more phones coming right after that
Hmm...if I was that unhappy,i sure wouldn't still be with sprint/evo..
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Okay... the phone lineup for Sprint has been getting really ridiculous. Tmobile has been getting amazing phones. Verizon has been getting amazing phones. ATT has been getting amazing phones.
Sprint? Another friggin Evo with a hardware keyboard? COME. ON.
I think I'm bailing soon. The Evo was cool at first but has already showed its 2008 age hardware to be slowing down. I cant stand the lag on a 2010 phone. The GPU sucks making all future gpu acceleration useless and games run like ballsack on it already. The screen is nice but does not makeup for its flaws. The camera is sticking out like a giant ass that can't be blocked.
*sigh*
Sprint just needs more phones to choose from....
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and what phone out there besides what t-mo has is better the droid x is the same way as the evo camera sticks out the back
Stop Complaning!!
Well get the hell out of sprint then.. what the hell are you still doing in sprint? evo is frkn awesome.. mine doesnt lagg.. its the way u take care of it.. mine is full of apps all over.. and it still doesnt lag! learn how to us ur phone first
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Well get the hell out of sprint then.. what the hell are you still doing in sprint? u deep****! evo is frkn awesome.. mine doesnt lagg.. its the way u take care of it.. mine is full of apps all over.. and it still doesnt lag! learn how to us ur phone first
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Oh right I forgot everyone elses phones lag even the ones at Sprint store even the ones one youtube videos EXCEPT yours. Good to know. Also I like your post count, cutie.
have to admit t-mobile has been banging out the sweet phones !
werxen = sprint whiner
Cutie.. thanks.. u sound gay! lol.. its true.. and u still complaning just quit sprint already then.. damn!
I like sprint and I like my evo. 2008 tech? Did they have 1 ghz snapdragons in 2008?
Mitchell's EVO
My evo doesn't lag and I get superb battery life. I also have people always getting all googly eyed over it. I also believe gingerbread will really amp up the evo even more and should solve all your lag problems that may exist.
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I like sprint and I like my evo. 2008 tech? Did they have 1 ghz snapdragons in 2008?
Mitchell's EVO
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Huh? Now that I think about it... nope!
i likes my phone
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Okay... the phone lineup for Sprint has been getting really ridiculous. Tmobile has been getting amazing phones. Verizon has been getting amazing phones. ATT has been getting amazing phones.
Sprint? Another friggin Evo with a hardware keyboard? COME. ON.
I think I'm bailing soon. The Evo was cool at first but has already showed its 2008 age hardware to be slowing down. I cant stand the lag on a 2010 phone. The GPU sucks making all future gpu acceleration useless and games run like ballsack on it already. The screen is nice but does not makeup for its flaws. The camera is sticking out like a giant ass that can't be blocked.
*sigh*
Sprint just needs more phones to choose from....
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Believe me sir, every phone out right now have a flaw in it. I went from N1, to blackberry (bbm reasons), epic 4g, optimus one, and now the evo. And i can make this assertion "your phone is what you make of it". I treat my phone like my desktop computer, install only what i use, constantly clearing cache every two weeks etc. Now unfortunately for me i have the newer hardware so i cannot take advantage of the custom kernel, but my phone is buttery smooth. I use titanium back-up to remove all the unwanted files, installed Go Launcher (love this launcher) and Go SMS. The only thing i can say is, LG got it right, my Lg optimus seriously never drops below 175mb ram no matter what i throw at it, i'm assuming this is why it's so smooth also. I think it's more software side than hardware, i'm sure when Gingerbread comes out and all hardware supported, plus stable, you won't be hating your evo so much.
Let me get this out there.
The Evo has some old hardware and some new.
The phone SUCKS if you don't root it and put some good ROMs on it.
I'm on Myn's and the phone is fast enough for me. It has also become really sexy cause Myn's dark theme is the best I've seen on a phone. Hero's Baked Kernel 6 is giving me crazy battery life as well.
The things I don't like....
- Screen Quality : Man this thing looks like crap compared to Galaxy S or Droid X... 16-bit and colors aren't strong.
- Camera Quality : Yeah we have an 8mp camera, but HTC's crappy software makes it worse than it really is. Some 5mp shooters do better. Luckily custom Roms can fix this.
- GPU : Pissed me off when I realized the Snapdragon Processor comes with 2008-like GPU. Adreno 200 is capable of quite a bit, but again, HTC doesn't release the drivers for anything. The GPU can be coded for and if games are optimized enough, it'll run well. But developers don't care. Luckily, Gingerbread increases graphical performance by quite a bit.
And that's about it right now.
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Believe me sir, every phone out right now have a flaw in it. I went from N1, to blackberry (bbm reasons), epic 4g, optimus one, and now the evo. And i can make this assertion "your phone is what you make of it". I treat my phone like my desktop computer, install only what i use, constantly clearing cache every two weeks etc. Now unfortunately for me i have the newer hardware so i cannot take advantage of the custom kernel, but my phone is buttery smooth. I use titanium back-up to remove all the unwanted files, installed Go Launcher (love this launcher) and Go SMS. The only thing i can say is, LG got it right, my Lg optimus seriously never drops below 175mb ram no matter what i throw at it, i'm assuming this is why it's so smooth also. I think it's more software side than hardware, i'm sure when Gingerbread comes out and all hardware supported, plus stable, you won't be hating your evo so much.
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The Optimus One line is actually pretty impressive for a sometimes free low end phone. It has the same amount of RAM as the EVO and the same GPU as the EVO but runs at almost half the resolution. This results to some pretty impressive performance. Stuff like the 3D gallery app and 3D maps in Google Maps runs much smoother than on the EVO. The only thing holding it back is the CPU (600 MHz ARMv6 vs. 1 GHz A8) but even then the design of the chip is not that different than that of the Snapdragon (Modem/FPU co-processor).
The EVO for the most part is pretty good, and probably still one of the best featured phones out even 6 months later. Nothing on it really stands out as best in it's class but it's okay, the only issue is the GPU - it sucks. You can't run LWs and still be at 55 FPS (most of the time it drops to under 30), some games run pretty awful, and some apps don't run as smooth. Everything runs but when you have a newer phone right next to it you can really feel the difference. And the benchmarks speak for themselves, the SGS/NS is 4x better and the Droids are 2x better. That's just the way it is.
The new EVO Shift is not just another EVO though. It's a Desire Z with WiMax and a EVO looking front. It still has the newer 45nm 800 MHz Qualcomm CPU that beats out the EVO by a little and the newer Adreno 205 GPU that is about 3-4x better. It's a ugly looking phone and a little late but performance wise it's still on par with any phone released today.
@ Award Tour : Yep... Droid 1/ Droid 2/ Droid X (and the new droids like Droid Pro) all do 2x better than the Evo. That is enough. It doesn't even need to outdo the Galaxy S phones because it really doesn't matter at that point. All other games run fine mostly because those games are coded for Iphone first generally, with similar GPU.
And Evo Shift has better GPU so it's an okay upgrade cause that's the only thing I really care about.
Cause really, everything else is software. And custom Roms do the job.
And I like HTC phones because they upgrade fairly quickly compared to other companies and release decent phones with GREAT development backing.
But then again I also hate them because they latch onto old hardware sometimes (Qualcomm... thanks) and don't optimize their current software sometimes.
patelkedar91 said:
Let me get this out there.
The Evo has some old hardware and some new.
The phone SUCKS if you don't root it and put some good ROMs on it.
I'm on Myn's and the phone is fast enough for me. It has also become really sexy cause Myn's dark theme is the best I've seen on a phone. Hero's Baked Kernel 6 is giving me crazy battery life as well.
The things I don't like....
- Screen Quality : Man this thing looks like crap compared to Galaxy S or Droid X... 16-bit and colors aren't strong.
- Camera Quality : Yeah we have an 8mp camera, but HTC's crappy software makes it worse than it really is. Some 5mp shooters do better. Luckily custom Roms can fix this.
- GPU : Pissed me off when I realized the Snapdragon Processor comes with 2008-like GPU. Adreno 200 is capable of quite a bit, but again, HTC doesn't release the drivers for anything. The GPU can be coded for and if games are optimized enough, it'll run well. But developers don't care. Luckily, Gingerbread increases graphical performance by quite a bit.
And that's about it right now.
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The Adreno 200 GPU as it is now (both from a hardware and software perspective) sucks. I don't ever expect it to perform as well as the newer stuff (it just doesn't have the specs) but there's still hope for better performance. It seems that the drivers were ultra buggy (from CM work on 2.3) and if you replace the Adreno 200 drivers with the newer Adreno 205 drivers, 2D performance increases by like 100% but unfortunately it completely breaks 3D rendering.
Maybe with the upcoming Google provided 2.3 Adreno 200 drivers (which I got to assume fixes those bug CM ran into) plus the core graphic performance in 2.3 we may see some new life in this GPU. At least I hope so.
Meanwhile Apple is kicking ass in the hardware department. I just don't friggin understand this... Is it so hard to make top tier phones with GOOD hardware? It seems like the only one is the Nexus S right now and its made by crappy Samsung and their cheap plastic. Not to be a fanboy for any side but when put into perspective if the iPhone was on Sprint I would switch today. Android really needs to get their act together and start making the user experience perfect.
I use my generation 1 ipod touch and it does not lag a single bit in anything but my Evo lags in everything it does. Really shows how much software needs to be optimized instead of releasing bullcrap versions of Android every 3 months.
I mean CMON is anyone else frustrated at this? We all pay a lot of money for a SMART phone but it seems like they come to us from the manufacturer as stupid phones and we have to make them smart by taking out all the stupid crap and optimizing it ourself. Why do we even pay for the phone? Should be free.
rumor has it a really great superphone running webos 2.0 may come to sprint by june. myself im leaving for at&t or tmobile and going to try out a wp7 device.
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Meanwhile Apple is kicking ass in the hardware department. I just don't friggin understand this... Is it so hard to make top tier phones with GOOD hardware? It seems like the only one is the Nexus S right now and its made by crappy Samsung and their cheap plastic. Not to be a fanboy for any side but when put into perspective if the iPhone was on Sprint I would switch today. Android really needs to get their act together and start making the user experience perfect.
I use my generation 1 ipod touch and it does not lag a single bit in anything but my Evo lags in everything it does. Really shows how much software needs to be optimized instead of releasing bullcrap versions of Android every 3 months.
I mean CMON is anyone else frustrated at this? We all pay a lot of money for a SMART phone but it seems like they come to us from the manufacturer as stupid phones and we have to make them smart by taking out all the stupid crap and optimizing it ourself. Why do we even pay for the phone? Should be free.
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I own a iPhone 4, and I'm not going to lie, it runs and performs perfectly but that's expected when you only have to optimize the software for a few devices. But it's not the best hardware available either. The SGS was released around the same time and had a GPU that was twice as fast, the cameras were just about as good and sometimes better. The Droid X at around that time had the same exact GPU, and now the newer HTC phones (Desire HD, Z, MT4G, G2) all have GPUs that are twice as fast as well. The CPU in the iPhone 4 was a 800 MHz Cortex A8, and every high end Android around that time had the same Cortex A8 but clocked at 1 GHz (and now more) so it was never the fastest; I also wouldn't be surprised if the Snapdragon chip design beats Apple's A4 head to head when both clocked at 1 GHz.
TBH, most of the blame for performance lies directly with Android. It's just not that fast performance wise. The iPhone 4 is down clocked CPU wise, has a "mid level high end" mobile GPU (PowerVR SGX 535), and runs at a higher resolutions but still runs circles around the Nexus S. Hell, for a even strong example look at WP7. It uses the same crap Adreno 200 as the first gen Snapdragon (what the EVO has) and runs waaaaaaaayyyyyy smoother.
My lil brother wants to get an evo shift when his upgrade is due. He's not real tech savvy like me( he could care less), but I am. I have an epic, so I want to know, if anyone came from an Epic 4g to the shift, how do they compare? Thanks in advance.
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zanderman112 said:
My lil brother wants to get an evo shift when his upgrade is due. He's not real tech savvy like me( he could care less), but I am. I have an epic, so I want to know, if anyone came from an Epic 4g to the shift, how do they compare? Thanks in advance.
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I think there are one or two threads on this already try going back a page or two or doing a search
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Kind of a Sense vs Touchwiz decision. The software on the Shift in my opinion is much more refined and polished. Of couse that changes if you have a custom launcher.
The keyboard on the Shift is much better. The phone feels much more solid than the Epic. My Epic has a gap between the keys and the screen so when pressing the screen you hear a click. This isn't an issue on my Shift.
Camera/screen are both better on the Epic. The quality of the Epics screen in my opinion is unmatched by any phone currently.
Front facing camera on Epic....none on the Shift.
Speed differences are nonexistent. Both phones run quick on stock. Real life use you won't notice a big difference.
Gaming....Epic wins. If you guys are looking to do any heavy gaming the Epic is the better option.
Battery life...kind of a toss up. I feel my Shift goes a little longer but I've also read complaints. Although I do use my Epic as my mp3 player during the day.
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Why do you say the Epic is better with games? Benchmarks for the shift hit 1200 on 2.2 while benchmarks for the Epic hit 900 on 2.1
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Why do you say the Epic is better with games? Benchmarks for the shift hit 1200 on 2.2 while benchmarks for the Epic hit 900 on 2.1
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Benchmarks aren't accurate. They're mostly built for qualcomm processors. Besides they are just numbers. Its real life usage that counts.
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zanderman112 said:
Benchmarks aren't accurate. They're mostly built for qualcomm processors. Besides they are just numbers. Its real life usage that counts.
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We really need someone to run a game side by side on the epic and on the shift. From there we can tell how they will perform, but the higher benchmark number+ flash support on the GPU tells me the shift has the better GPU.
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We really need someone to run a game side by side on the epic and on the shift. From there we can tell how they will perform, but the higher benchmark number+ flash support on the GPU tells me the shift has the better GPU.
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After I put 2.2 on and rooted my room mate's epic it destroyed my shift in terms of FPS on quadrant, even though it resulted in a lower overall number at the end. The GPU definitely seems to be much more powerful on the epic.
however, my shift feels much more responsive to the touch and interaction with the phone seems sharper and smoother.
The keyboard is better on the shift in terms of quality and physicality, but its lack of a permanent number row can be mildly annoying.
Also, if you really are concerned with quadrant/benchmark scores then an Epic running a 2.2 custom froyo rom, such as bonsai v2.x can score as high as 21-2200 scores on quadrant. The reason the epic gets a 900 on stock 2.1 is mainly due to samsungs use of their proprietary filesystem RFS instead of a linux fs like ext2/3/4. Once upgraded to a better fs, the epic spanks the evo and shift insofar as benchmarks are concerned. However when it comes to looks, feel, ui, etc. that's a different story.
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We really need someone to run a game side by side on the epic and on the shift. From there we can tell how they will perform, but the higher benchmark number+ flash support on the GPU tells me the shift has the better GPU.
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The GPU of the Epic is definitely more to the task of gaming than that of the EVO Shift. I understand that overclocked Shifts are doing very well in productivity, but the overclocking does not boost the GPU performance enough to overtake the Epic’s capabilities.
I believe the overall feel of the Shift to be much better than the Epic. Build quality is superior, keyboard feel is better and overall size is more convenient. The Epic is fast and does have a great display. The battery life after having both for a while ended up leaning towards the Epic for me.