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EVO in Australia

I got a HD2, replacing a Hero last month and am VERY excited about the Evo.
I can't seem to find a mention of Australia anywhere, I saw that the UK was apparently missing out as they don't have a 4G network but Vivid Wireless has just been launched in Perth here in Australia running a 4G Network and is currently on its way to coming online in other major cities.
So what do you think?
Will the Evo be coming to Australia?
I will end up importing one if it doesn't but I'd rather not have the Sprint branding (I'm that much of a purist)

if u import it how are u gonna use it? coz i thought it doesnt use sim card (correct me if im wrong)
But i really do hope this phone comes to australia

Not likely.
The EVO runs on the 4g network at Sprint. Perth is the only city that has a 4g network AFAIK (vividwireless.com.au), but its not linked to a cellular network in any way so a phone on this service would be unable to make phonecalls...
It does still have EVDO but that's slow and makes the phone pointless to release among Australia's market.

I dont know about the EVO using SIM cards but I was under the impression that it can function on 3G as well as 4G

The Evo, as a CDMA device released for Sprint, will not use a SIM card. But yes, the device will be able to function on both 4G and 3G. It will search for a WiMAX (4G) connection, and if it cannot connect, it will then search for a EVDO (3G) connection.

I have a feeling they will have a SIM card for the phone. Otherwise it wouldn't make for a great world phone Verizon has SIM slots in some of their phones in order to be a world phone on GSM networks.
I think the same will apply here. Knowing HTC they will follow up with a phone that will be equivalent in a next HD3/HD4 release for 850/900 networks.
They are truly moving the whole phone market at the moment. They are the phone company to beat in regards to style and innovation.
I do like the Samsung Galaxy S as well. But I have become attached to the Sense UI and that is one of the main reasons I do not want to get the Nexus One for AT&T. I will pay a little more to get the one from Telstra is AT&T doesn't release any news of a better android phone by April 27th.
I am due for an upgrade or I will move to Sprint for the EV0 4G which I think I will get anyways.
I have the Tmobile HD2 and the lock ups pisses me off even with several of the other ROM's I have flashed.
Oh well can't have everything. I might return the phone. I have a few more days.

this phone will not work in Australia. it is not a world phone and was developed for Sprint to steal business from other US carriers. there is no SIM card and if the 4g in Perth is LTE instead of WiMax, data won't work there either. EVDO isn't compatible in any way with GSM. Most likely, this phone won't be able to be flashed to work on another CDMA company here in the USA. Sorry, I know GSM is a world standard, but Sprint here provides the best service/price without a doubt and average speeds are better than GSM here because of how the GSM companies spread out their towers compared to the EVDO companies. this is an amazing break for us on Sprint since our phones generally SUCK. Even the Pre which debued on Sprint turned out to be a flop because Sprint had no standards for software or hardware and the first phones released fell apart by just looking at them the wrong way. at least this time, the phone is based off another phone (hd2) but better and running Android.
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It's a shame that it uses the CDMA network instead of GSM. This is the only credible challenge to iPhone so far. I'm dying to see it coming to Australia. My only concern is still the accuracy of the touch screen. Hope that HTC has sorted this out by now.

Yeah it's a real shame this isn't a world phone. It packs a royal punch.
The Desire isn't too bad a competitor to the iPhone though. Why not consider that?

Carrier/SIM-Locked?

Hi!
I was just wondering if the Droid Incredible is Verizon Wireless only? My problem is that I'm from Norway and really interested in this phone, but it isn't available here. So if I import it, will it be SIM-locked?
Or can I wait until a custom ROM is made that is unlocked?
Kind regards!

Its CDMA do you have any CDMA Operator in Norway

Like said above the Droid Incredible is CDMA not GSM. So pertaining to your question, yes it is (in a way) SIM locked as you can't use it on any other carrier.
From what I understand though the HTC Desire may be what you are looking for. From what I hear it is European/GSM version of the Incredible.
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If you have a CDMA carrier than yes there is a way to use it. otherwise your bet bet is to use the desire.

Thanks for the replies. I don't think we have a CDMA carrier here in Norway. And I've been looking into the Desire, but I think the design on Incredible is a bit better. But I'll manage with the Desire
Again, thanks a lot!

There actually is a CDMA/1xEV-DO Rel. 0/1xEV-DO Rev. A provider in Norway, although when I tried to look up their CDMA coverage area online I received a 404 error (it probably doesn't help that I can't read Norwegian to save my life =p). Nordisk Mobiltelefon Norway provides the network via ice. However, I would never recommend a CDMA phone to someone who spends the majority of their time outside of the US or India (I'm not saying it wouldn't work, but if you live in Europe I highly suggest going with a quad-band GSM phone) and even then, you should buy the phone locally to know that you will be with a provider that works with your phone's frequencies.
The exciting thing is LTE looks to be the first real WORLDWIDE band. My guess is that in 5 - 10 years you will be able to travel the world and get fast speeds with excellent quality calls with one phone. That is unless corporate greed gets in the way (Sprint launched the EVO not using LTE but WiMAX because even though though Clearwire has few WiMAX deployed points, there are even less LTE). Regardless of WiMAX being out of the gate first, I have a feeling LTE will win in the end (if not, then we will be left with a CDMA vs. GSM issue again).

Sprint to LTE???

Welp, looks like it's going that way...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/sprint-evaluating-switch-to-lte-over-the-next-four-to-six-months/
...thing is, there hasn't been any new WiMAX phone announced this year, so either they're relying on riding that EVO and Epic wave to get new WiMAX customers, or maybe they do have something up their sleeve.
In any event, I don't see that many new customers signing up for Wimax, so to LTE Sprint will go. Now what do we do with our Evo at that point?

Other than the shifts but if they give me a choice to choose a new phone I'm in
Sent from my gingerbread evo 4g

It's like sprint is playing the "you can't get mad at me, i'm not touching you" while holding hand in front of face game with all these changes that piss everybody off without letting them go etf-free

Oh, they would have to provide us with a LTE phone if they do switch. At least offer us a pretty hefty discount. Otherwise, I see a huge class-action lawsuit headed over their way. I'd love for this switch to happen. WiMax is just not cutting it.

From the user comments of the linked article:
They're still going to roll out WiMax and then just add LTE functionality later on. Again, It's just a baseband card swap and a software upgrade. The phones would probably use a dual-mode WiMax/LTE chip (like the one introduced last year by Beceem). Sprint did a pretty good job of future-proofing their network and WiMax was a better/cheaper choice for "4G"... Verizon was having some major 3G/4G handoff issues in mid-December and there's still no word of that being resolved. That's a major issue for Big Red and could slow or kill LTE adoption (imagine having to either wait about 2 minutes or even having to reboot your phone whenever you go from 4G back to 3G). I'm not even getting into AT&T and Verizon's LTE spectrum limitations.
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m4rk0358 said:
From the user comments of the linked article: They're still going to roll out WiMax and then just add LTE functionality later on. Again, It's just a baseband card swap and a software upgrade. The phones would probably use a dual-mode WiMax/LTE chip (like the one introduced last year by Beceem). Sprint did a pretty good job of future-proofing their network and WiMax was a better/cheaper choice for "4G"... Verizon was having some major 3G/4G handoff issues in mid-December and there's still no word of that being resolved. That's a major issue for Big Red and could slow or kill LTE adoption (imagine having to either wait about 2 minutes or even having to reboot your phone whenever you go from 4G back to 3G). I'm not even getting into AT&T and Verizon's LTE spectrum limitations.
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But they would eventually have to actually flip the switch to LTE.. would they not have to pick one or the other?

As long as I got a huge discount on an LTE phone, I'd be okay with this. I like WiMAX, but for the dev community, LTE is going to be way better.

akarol said:
Oh, they would have to provide us with a LTE phone if they do switch. At least offer us a pretty hefty discount. Otherwise, I see a huge class-action lawsuit headed over their way. I'd love for this switch to happen. WiMax is just not cutting it.
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They're facing this scenario now, if they turn off the iDen network to use LTE. Some speculate that Sprint will lose a lot of money on this, but all they have to do is sell the spectrum that wimax is on now. T-Mobile would buy it...

AbsolutZeroGI said:
As long as I got a huge discount on an LTE phone, I'd be okay with this. I like WiMAX, but for the dev community, LTE is going to be way better.
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I'm also curious about the stuff I've been reading recently regarding how tightly controlled LTE access can be by carrier. Presumably the same restrictions would apply when tethering?

they will have pry my evo from my cold dead hands....
cyanogen/evervol-acies flavored gingerbread

drbadass said:
But they would eventually have to actually flip the switch to LTE.. would they not have to pick one or the other?
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Not really cause Wimaxx is just another channel or frequency. I mean they still have 2G/3G and now 4G, LTE will just be another channel that they will be able to accomidate

I say the only reason why the would make that switch is to keep up or ahead with the other carriers, t-mobile, att, Verizon so why not make the switch everyone gsm and running on sim chips mmm nice different phones on different networks sounds fun
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drbadass said:
I'm also curious about the stuff I've been reading recently regarding how tightly controlled LTE access can be by carrier. Presumably the same restrictions would apply when tethering?
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This is what scares me. I know LTE is faster than wimax. (Job I work at sells both Wimax capable cards and LTE broadband cards now and I have installed both on computers, and speedtest wise, LTE was pulling 15 down and 1.5 up. Wimax in our area usually does 5-7 down, and 1 up.
But I don't want Sprint to be able to decide that what I do with the data access I am provided isn't what they think I should. The fact they can block sites, charge rates for sites, and so forth is very bothersome. It is the same crap certain ISP carries are looking to do.
It is this reason (among data caps) that I decided not to wait for the LTE thunderstorm phone(or w/e its called, im kinda tired ) and go with verizon over sprint.
I just with their Wimax was better in the Cincinnati, OH area than it currently is. Map shows I should have 4G outside everywhere but my backyard. And I barely get it in my front lawn where I should have a perfect signal.

Does anyone have a link to the story of how carriers can control access to the web using LTE. I read it but don't remember where. This is very disturbing that the carriers will have this much power over our web viewing habits

Don't worry fellow evonauts, they (probably) won't block your fetish adult entertainment.
But seriously, better speeds would be awesome, better coverage would be great but the capability to throttle or block what i want to do with my "unlimited" connection is unacceptable.

Here's some things to remember before anyone gets up in arms over this:
1. Between the Sprint, Clear, Comcast, and Time Warner brands there are millions of users on the Clearwire WiMax network, many of whom are in contracts based on WiMax devices or services. They're not going to just flip a switch in a few months and suddenly none of us have 4G anymore. I would not expect to see much further WiMax development beyond what's known about at the time of any LTE announcement, but by the time the WiMax network goes dead anyone posting here will have moved on to a newer phone.
2. There's no reason at all that this would need to be done as an on/off type switch. They install the hardware bits needed for LTE, then switch channels of their available spectrum over as dictated by utilization. AT&T's migration from TDMA to GSM after the Cingular buyout took years to complete.
3. The Evo Shift just came out and the Blackberry Playbook with WiMax has been announced and given a rough street date. Like most of us existing users, these users will likely for the most part be in contracts, meaning if Sprint does anything that significantly impacts the usability of those devices (such as terminating WiMax service) they'll need to either give us cheap/free upgrades to LTE phones or let us out of contract ETF-free.
tl;dr version: LTE is probably coming, since Sprint's rapidly becoming the odd man out in the 4G cell world, but there's no reason for current WiMax users to panic.
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I'm also curious about the stuff I've been reading recently regarding how tightly controlled LTE access can be by carrier. Presumably the same restrictions would apply when tethering?
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ghodzilla5150 said:
Does anyone have a link to the story of how carriers can control access to the web using LTE. I read it but don't remember where. This is very disturbing that the carriers will have this much power over our web viewing habits
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Any ISP has about the same power. It has nothing to do with the last mile medium and LTE will change nothing about this.
Regarding tethering, there is no way to tell for certain by looking at the data transmitted whether a user is tethering or not when a modern smartphone is involved, since they're capable of doing anything a full PC could do with that data connection. Certain types of data may be suspicious and more likely to have come from a PC, but nothing could be proven to any reasonable standard as long as they have not loaded a "tattler" program in to the OEM ROM to explicitly identify tethering. Assuming a rooted phone, this could be removed and of course would not even be in AOSP-based ROMs.

Good rational post. Thanks.
wolrah said:
Here's some things to remember before anyone gets up in arms over this:
1. Between the Sprint, Clear, Comcast, and Time Warner brands there are millions of users on the Clearwire WiMax network, many of whom are in contracts based on WiMax devices or services. They're not going to just flip a switch in a few months and suddenly none of us have 4G anymore. I would not expect to see much further WiMax development beyond what's known about at the time of any LTE announcement, but by the time the WiMax network goes dead anyone posting here will have moved on to a newer phone.
2. There's no reason at all that this would need to be done as an on/off type switch. They install the hardware bits needed for LTE, then switch channels of their available spectrum over as dictated by utilization. AT&T's migration from TDMA to GSM after the Cingular buyout took years to complete.
3. The Evo Shift just came out and the Blackberry Playbook with WiMax has been announced and given a rough street date. Like most of us existing users, these users will likely for the most part be in contracts, meaning if Sprint does anything that significantly impacts the usability of those devices (such as terminating WiMax service) they'll need to either give us cheap/free upgrades to LTE phones or let us out of contract ETF-free.
tl;dr version: LTE is probably coming, since Sprint's rapidly becoming the odd man out in the 4G cell world, but there's no reason for current WiMax users to panic.
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Any ISP has about the same power. It has nothing to do with the last mile medium and LTE will change nothing about this.
Regarding tethering, there is no way to tell for certain by looking at the data transmitted whether a user is tethering or not when a modern smartphone is involved, since they're capable of doing anything a full PC could do with that data connection. Certain types of data may be suspicious and more likely to have come from a PC, but nothing could be proven to any reasonable standard as long as they have not loaded a "tattler" program in to the OEM ROM to explicitly identify tethering. Assuming a rooted phone, this could be removed and of course would not even be in AOSP-based ROMs.
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Maybe I'm just misunderstanding something but I'm taking this switch from WiMAX to LTE as Sprint just has to change the cards on their ends and send us current WiMAX users a software update and we can use LTE.

rkjg24 said:
Maybe I'm just misunderstanding something but I'm taking this switch from WiMAX to LTE as Sprint just has to change the cards on their ends and send us current WiMAX users a software update and we can use LTE.
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Half right. The Wimax chip in the Evo is straight Wimax...no LTE capability.

Since the wiMax is actually from Clear as far as i know, Sprints choice shouldnt really matter in the long run. WiMax wont disappear so your "old" phone should work, and Sprint actually having its own 4G network means more than likely better battery life and better connection/coverage

[Question] AT&T Atrix on Verizon

Hey guys, had a quick question. Since the Atrix is a SIM oriented phone and Verizon is pumping out these LTE sim cards on new phones, shouldn't it be theoretically possible to use Phones like the Atrix on Verizon? Any development with this?
Maybe I am being stupid here and these two technologies are completely different.

idk, i doubt it, but the bionic that's coming out for Verizon is pretty much the atrix with less ram and no laptop dock

Nope. First off, what AT&T is calling 4G currently and what Verizon is selling are completely different technologies. HSPA+ is just normal old AT&T 3G system with an Ethernet backhaul to increase speed a bit. AT&T will also be building an LTE (true 4G) network, but that's not the "4G" these devices are built for.
But to go further. LTE and 3G/HSPA+ sims are completely different things. Top that off with the fact that Verizon will be using dual tech CDMA and LTE phones, while AT&T will be using LTE and HSPA technology. So, even if you did get a Verizon LTE sim for an AT&T device, you would only be able to use the phone in an LTE environment. You're still going to be on the 3G/3.5G network 90% of the time till the infrastructure gets built out. That is, unless the handset is carrier agnostic, like the iPhone 6 is supposed to be. It'll supposedly work on any network.

Xoom for ATT, or how to make Xoom work on ATT?

does anyone know if and when a Xoom for ATT is coming out, possible with 4G? I really want a tablet computer, and want an Android, not the Ipad 2. Also, is it possible to take a Xoom from another provider and root/make it usable in the US?

Verizon is the king!
First of all, why would you want an ATT Xoom? Verizon is the best and most reliable out of every other provider. Verizon has the download and upload speeds that can actually be called 4g, and also has the greatest coverage. The rest of the pack has maybe what you would call 3.1g speeds, lol... lame.
Anyways, there won't ever be a Xoom for ATT or any other provider for that matter. The Xoom is a Verizon exclusive just as the Droids are. In fact... the Xoom is a Droid device in reality. It was originally called the Droid Xoom, but they decided to remove the Droid name a week before its intial launch, just to leave it with the name "Xoom." Much like how the Nintendo Wii was actually officially known as the Revolution, they changed the name about a week before launch day as well. Just a little side fact for ya, lol.
This topic won't get very far but there's my 2 cents worth.
P.S. I'm guessing you mentioned ATT because you have a phone with their service? And you would like to stick with your current provider for a tablet as well? If so.. that makes perfect sense. Let's hope you can figure something out. I have the OG Droid and the Xoom.

First of all, http://negrielectronics.com/motorola-xoom-tablet-black.html
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diablo2224 said:
First of all, why would you want an ATT Xoom? Verizon is the best and most reliable out of every other provider. Verizon has the download and upload speeds that can actually be called 4g, and also has the greatest coverage. The rest of the pack has maybe what you would call 3.1g speeds, lol... lame.
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AT&T speeds are actually faster than Verizon's where Verizon doesn't have LTE yet (most places), and Verizon phones don't work if you want to use them in Canada, Mexico, or Europe, since Verizon uses their own proprietary CDMA stuff, while the rest of the world uses GSM/HSDPA.

rassah said:
First of all, http://negrielectronics.com/motorola-xoom-tablet-black.html
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AT&T speeds are actually faster than Verizon's where Verizon doesn't have LTE yet (most places), and Verizon phones don't work if you want to use them in Canada, Mexico, or Europe, since Verizon uses their own proprietary CDMA stuff, while the rest of the world uses GSM/HSDPA.
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First... Yeah you can buy an unlocked Xoom, but what are you going to do with it?
Second... Read this http://tinyurl.com/3nj9jea
To say that ATT is faster because Verizon's 4g coverage is still growing and not in all areas just yet is absurd. Like I said, all other network providers are running basically 3.1g speeds. 4g LTE currently has an upwards of 15+mbps down, and 2+mbps up. Yes, the 4g LTE coverage is not all there yet... reason being? It is new to the scene! Just how Honeycomb is to the tablet world.
They are taking their time because they know they already have all the tools to have the coverage and speeds to be crowned a real 4g network. All it is now is a matter of laying the rest of the tracks down to finish the project, which will take time to set up all the towers, and finalize everything.
I don't know about you, but... I would like to have real 4g speeds with real 4g coverage for my devices, not some cheap 3.1g knockoff that uses the same 3g technology. Can you believe that they try to pass that crap off as 4g? Verizon's 4g LTE network is built from scratch from the ground up, unlike the rest. The rest of the providers just took the 3g they had, and made it a little bit better, yet calling it 4g. Why do you think it is taking Verizon longer to expand their 4g coverage? Because they are the only one's to actually completely build a whole new wireless networking system.
Also... Verizon is introducing global devices one at a time, in due time. Some global Droids include: Droid 2 Global, Droid Pro, and the new Droid Incredible 2. The list will grow with tablets and other devices included as the network continues to grow and expand. Verizon is the boss, that cannot be denied. Cheers!

Why are you so keen on sticking verizon down his throat?
He never mentioned verizon once in his OP?
Well, I understand that verizon covers 100% of the US with 3g/LTE and he does NOT travel overseas at all.
oh wait guyz.....
@OP- Just pop the sim card in to whatever country you want to assuming the bands match.

Kippui said:
Why are you so keen on sticking verizon down his throat?
He never mentioned verizon once in his OP?
Well, I understand that verizon covers 100% of the US with 3g/LTE and he does NOT travel overseas at all.
oh wait guyz.....
@OP- Just pop the sim card in to whatever country you want to assuming the bands match.
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Lol, who's doing that? My last post wasn't about the OP, instead I was defending Verizon Wireless as a whole. The guy I quoted shot off a little haha comment in a way that it was trying to put Verizon down. "AT&T speeds are actually faster than Verizon's where Verizon doesn't have LTE yet". That can be taken as a hidden shot in the dark at a joke. Just saying. Anyways, enough bickering. It is pointless.
To the OP: It sounds like you really want ATT as your tablet service provider. Since you do not want an iPad, and want an Android device instead, might I suggest you check out this Android Honeycomb tablet on the ATT network:
http://tinyurl.com/6zbg7f8 (Acer Iconia A500)
Good luck!