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is the HTC EVO worldphone like the HTC TP2?

me(US T-MO) and my friend(sprint) wondering if any of u know if the HTC EVO 4G gonna have the worldphone compatability(GSM slot for gsm networks).my friend currently using the TOUCH PRO 2 from sprint and he has the ability to switch the phone to GSM carriers.jus wondering if the EVO gonna have the compatibilty.if yes defenetly dropping my HD2.

The Evo 4G is a CDMA phone it will not work on GSM and never will since it doesnt even come with a slot to insert a sim card.

yea i know that but the ones that u've seen on every website and videos r not the OFFICIAL EVO i think cuz they didnt even announced the official date but if its CDMA im out of luck and wish for a GSM version of the EVO.

GHOST99K said:
if its CDMA im out of luck and wish for a GSM version of the EVO.
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It's 100% CDMA w/no SIM slot. So I guess your out of luck

The big thing about the EVO 4G is the fact that it's a CDMA/Wi-Max. If it had a SIM slot, and you put it on a GSM network like T-Mobile, you wouldn't be able to connect to Sprint's 4G network and lose the one big advantage of this phone. Sure it's got 720p HDMI output and 8MP camera, but other than that and Wi-Max, it's got very similar specs to the HD2.
The other reason could be the fact that they wanted it to run Android, and I have yet to see any CDMA/GSM World Phones running Android natively so they may not have worked out the whole dual mode switching in Android - but I could be wrong about that one.

well.......i guess i have to be patient for something better by HTC on GSM carrier network with ANDROID 2.1.honestly i bought the HD2 and i've flashed custom ROM but still not satisfied at all with WM.i would get me NEXUS ONE but then again better phone will come out by HTC every 3-4 months.as far as 4G its not necessary for me at all.i will patiently wait till end of summer for the better.thanks guys

Look it up. GOOGLE IT ESPECIALLY WITH ANDROID
Sigh why do people get fooled by Sprint's cheap marketing... T-mobile's releasing HSPA+ 3G which is going to be faster than Sprints so called "4G"

Blackman778g said:
Sigh why do people get fooled by Sprint's cheap marketing... T-mobile's releasing HSPA+ 3G which is going to be faster than Sprints so called "4G"
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dude. wimax. shut up.

mountaindont said:
dude. wimax. shut up.
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Sigh... When people don't know the facts.
http://www.cellphonesignal.com/t-mobile-hspa-vs-sprint-wimax-by-pcworld/
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2359139,00.asp

Blackman778g said:
Sigh... When people don't know the facts.
http://www.cellphonesignal.com/t-mobile-hspa-vs-sprint-wimax-by-pcworld/
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2359139,00.asp
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Dude....Let Sprint and everyone that is on Sprint enjoy the fact that SPRINT will have one (if not the best) of the best phones ever made for a little while until another one comes out. Tmo has the HD2...now is Sprints turn, chill out!
You got HSPA+? Good for you....we'll have 4G! Is that simple.

Blackcircle said:
Dude....Let Sprint and everyone that is on Sprint enjoy the fact that SPRINT will have one (if not the best) of the best phones ever made for a little while until another one comes out. Tmo has the HD2...now is Sprints turn, chill out!
You got HSPA+? Good for you....we'll have 4G! Is that simple.
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Alright I'll settle for that... just trying to make sure people don't fall for the marketing gimmick. I had every carrier and been a loyal customer to them all.... Some people will switch just for a single phone even if they don't have reception in their area. Make a smart move it'll last two full years.

Blackman778g;I had every carrier and been a loyal customer to them all.... [/QUOTE said:
really??
boys and girls.. can we all say "contradiction"?
had to do it to u...
all major carriers will come out with their own "4G" setup, that is to be expected. WHEN will it hit the market; is the real question. Sprint has WiMax and it is being rolled out aggressively.
As they saying goes.."one bird in hand.. is better than two in the bush"
that being said... I live in a WiMax area and have the Overdrive. It is faster than 3G but I can only get 20% signal in areas that I am most in.
I hope they get more towers up in my area!!!!!
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Blackman778g said:
Alright I'll settle for that... just trying to make sure people don't fall for the marketing gimmick. I had every carrier and been a loyal customer to them all.... Some people will switch just for a single phone even if they don't have reception in their area. Make a smart move it'll last two full years.
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So when is this mythical HSPDA+ coming out? WiMax has already been out for over a year where I live, and I've not heard of a single person with WiMax-like speeds on any other carrier. T-Mobile is typically last to the game in that regard, but either way, you guys already have the HD2, which I'd rather have anyways.

WiMax is not certified 4G and will never be. I'm really shocked that Sprint hasn't been called out on this and hasn't had their false adverts of a "4G" network pulled.

march7th said:
WiMax is not certified 4G and will never be. I'm really shocked that Sprint hasn't been called out on this and hasn't had their false adverts of a "4G" network pulled.
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why would it have to be "certified 4G?" also, from what I've read from the beginning, is that WiMax and LTE are SO SIMILAR, that it wouldn't cost much for Clear/Sprint to fully convert. The even planned on having a combination of the two services.
methinks you doth protest too much.

ScrapMaker said:
why would it have to be "certified 4G?" also, from what I've read from the beginning, is that WiMax and LTE are SO SIMILAR, that it wouldn't cost much for Clear/Sprint to fully convert. The even planned on having a combination of the two services.
methinks you doth protest too much.
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wimax and lte use different freqs, converting would not only change the protocol(like software) but the antennas, transponders, receivers and transmitters (hardware)
then all the phones themselves would need new radios (hardware + software) It would be a huge mess, I highly doubt they will convert the technology, hope they just adopt LTE with Wimax and your phone supports both someday. As they already have chipsets that support both technologies at the same time with multiple radios and transceivers. But my money is the conversion of technology will not happen, it will just be integrated into the phones instead of the towers.
Now the wimax/4g thing, wimax has been branded 4g, 4g is a general term...(yes I know it's a stardard and has minimum req's) but the term works for it's purpose; recognition more than a actual "standard". evdo started getting called 3g when the 3g term got popular and was a "feature" and was easier to remember no actual feature was added for them to call it 3g.
The point is the idea gets across, as it is agreed they both generally mean the same thing, you know what it means, they know what it means, and making that kinda correction makes people sound like asses. Much like spelling correctors.

BAM! I knew I read that before.

ScrapMaker said:
BAM! I knew I read that before.
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not everything on you read on the internet is true, but facts are facts.. look
Wimax operates on 2.5Ghz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX#Spectrum_allocation
LTE operates on 700Mhz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths
the two operate on two extremely different frequencies, you can't magically change a phone that is built to operate on one freq to start using one that differently. It's just not physically capable of doing it. No amount of software is going to change that.
That article was written in september 09' sprint has moved forward with wimax, they have made their decision, once they put equipment out in customers hands, they will have to cut some customers off by making drastic changes at this point in the game. To jump back at this point would be insanity. The infrastructure is already being built, and in some cases already built.

johnsongrantr said:
not everything on you read on the internet is true, but facts are facts.. look
Wimax operates on 2.5Ghz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX#Spectrum_allocation
LTE operates on 700Mhz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths
the two operate on two extremely different frequencies, you can't magically change a phone that is built to operate on one freq to start using one that differently. It's just not physically capable of doing it. No amount of software is going to change that.
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Why is that? Radios can transmit on all sorts of frequencies... you have no idea how they designed their antennae or transmitters. If Clear says, themselves, that the technology is 80% identical, then it's fairly believable. I've been hearing that for years, anyhow.
Hell, just look at AT&T, they have 3G on all sorts of bands, and that didn't stop them people from using them. This argument is pointless. Clear could have hybrid modems in store, or possibly their devices can already use the spectrum to reference. All I'm saying is Sprint/Clear aren't really committing false-advertising. Comparing some mythical unicorn that T-Mobile *might* have in a few markets sometime soon, to WiMax, which has been out for quite some time, doesn't make much sense.
For now, it's 4G... the fastest, and I believe they have the right to call it that. It's Sprint's fourth-generation network. For years, the carriers bounced back and forth as to who had the fastest network, and you didn't see anyone renaming their from 3G.

ScrapMaker said:
Why is that? Radios can transmit on all sorts of frequencies... you have no idea how they designed their antennae or transmitters. If Clear says, themselves, that the technology is 80% identical, then it's fairly believable. I've been hearing that for years, anyhow.
Hell, just look at AT&T, they have 3G on all sorts of bands, and that didn't stop them people from using them. This argument is pointless. Clear could have hybrid modems in store, or possibly their devices can already use the spectrum to reference. All I'm saying is Sprint/Clear aren't really committing false-advertising. Comparing some mythical unicorn that T-Mobile *might* have in a few markets sometime soon, to WiMax, which has been out for quite some time, doesn't make much sense.
For now, it's 4G... the fastest, and I believe they have the right to call it that. It's Sprint's fourth-generation network. For years, the carriers bounced back and forth as to who had the fastest network, and you didn't see anyone renaming their from 3G.
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I have no idea how they designed their transmitter? This is more or less true, I don't know the exact specifics of their radios, but I have a really really good idea. I used to fix radios for the army... I have an good general knowledge of radio technology.
I don't have the exact links but I've posted some to chipset makers in this forum. One is for the evo's chipset, and one for for a future phone's chipset. The future one has radios *note plural* built in that are capable of broadcasting on both the 700 and 2.5 frequencies. The EVO's is not capable of the 700mhz only the 2.5ghz (among others 800 & 1900 but not 700)
The reason you can tune civilian band and police radios to multiple frequencies is because of transistors. But you're talking a very small spectrum. A common span is like 1-50Mhz difference. The Bigger the gap the bigger and more elaborate the electronic circuitry is required. Having to tune amplifiers as well as antennas. I'm not going to give a lesson on radio broadcast technology cause, well I'm just not.
For antennas they have to be cut to exact length based off their wavelength to preform optimally. As the frequency increases the length gets shorter but the principal is still there. It has to be more or less exact, the more you deviate the less clear the signal will be with the higher freqs the more exact it needs to be. Fudging a difference that big will not work for a clear and precise digital signal.
SO... while a cell phone radio might change it's freqs slightly depending on open channels, the range is fairly close, a radio that operates on 700mhz might go as high or low as 725 for example but it will not, and I repeat will NOT do a 1800Mhz difference. Hopefully that sheds some light on this subject.
I can't go into how their backend protocol is worked, because I honestly haven't ever messed with it and would only be speculation on my part. So it might be correct, the software might be easily interchangeable, but the hardware is not, and clear/wimax even stated so in that article. They said they had equipment capable of both or options or something. But a change is needed for sure. The evo is sprint's flagship wimax phone, and it is not capable of the freqs lte currently uses.... end of story.

Rumor: Sprint and T-Mobile may team up to complete 4G network

On paper, Sprint and T-Mobile seem like complete opposites: Sprint has 4G, T-Mobile has "4G speeds" with HSPA+; Sprint is CDMA, T-Mobile is GSM; Sprint is yellow, T-Mobile is magenta. Ok, maybe that last one is a bit of a stretch, but you get the point. Despite the glaring differences, a rumor has surfaced today stating that the two carriers may soon be in cahoots to finish building out Sprint's 4G network. Three people "familiar with the situation" have spoken to the Wall Street Journal, saying that Sprint's board of directors is considering allowing T-Mobile to invest in Clearwire, the company that is aiding Sprint with their WiMAX network (Sprint also owns 54 percent of Clearwire). Clearwire currently needs billions of dollars to finished expanding its 4G network, the WSJ says, and it needs to figure out if it will continue to soldier on alone or get some financial aid from T-Mobile. This isn't the first time we've heard the possibility of Sprint and T-Mobile teaming up and, if Clearwire and Sprint need as much cash as the WSJ says they do, it may not be the last time.
Although Sprint and T-Mobile could use each other to help bring the fight to AT&T and Verizon, I would be kind of surprised to the number three and four carriers come together. T-Mobile seems pretty invested in their HSPA+ network upgrades and, if they were to invest in WiMAX, their hot new HSPA+ phones would become kind of obsolete. It would, however, allow them to immediately have a 4G network available to some of its customers, so maybe the idea isn't so far-fetched. What do you think, readers? Will we soon be hearing about SprinT-Mobile?
source: http://www.phonedog.com/2010/09/03/rumor-sprint-and-t-mobile-may-team-up-to-complete-4g-network/

I'll believe it when I see it. Number three and number four? I agree with T being four in terms of network Sprint is #2 behind Verizon last I heard.
auau465121 said:
On paper, Sprint and T-Mobile seem like complete opposites: Sprint has 4G, T-Mobile has "4G speeds" with HSPA+; Sprint is CDMA, T-Mobile is GSM; Sprint is yellow, T-Mobile is magenta. Ok, maybe that last one is a bit of a stretch, but you get the point. Despite the glaring differences, a rumor has surfaced today stating that the two carriers may soon be in cahoots to finish building out Sprint's 4G network. Three people "familiar with the situation" have spoken to the Wall Street Journal, saying that Sprint's board of directors is considering allowing T-Mobile to invest in Clearwire, the company that is aiding Sprint with their WiMAX network (Sprint also owns 54 percent of Clearwire). Clearwire currently needs billions of dollars to finished expanding its 4G network, the WSJ says, and it needs to figure out if it will continue to soldier on alone or get some financial aid from T-Mobile. This isn't the first time we've heard the possibility of Sprint and T-Mobile teaming up and, if Clearwire and Sprint need as much cash as the WSJ says they do, it may not be the last time.
Although Sprint and T-Mobile could use each other to help bring the fight to AT&T and Verizon, I would be kind of surprised to the number three and four carriers come together. T-Mobile seems pretty invested in their HSPA+ network upgrades and, if they were to invest in WiMAX, their hot new HSPA+ phones would become kind of obsolete. It would, however, allow them to immediately have a 4G network available to some of its customers, so maybe the idea isn't so far-fetched. What do you think, readers? Will we soon be hearing about SprinT-Mobile?
source: http://www.phonedog.com/2010/09/03/rumor-sprint-and-t-mobile-may-team-up-to-complete-4g-network/
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Last I read, Sprint is moving forward with LTE purchases. That opens talks again with T.
T will not move to wimax.

Bielinsk said:
Last I read, Sprint is moving forward with LTE purchases. That opens talks again with T.
T will not move to wimax.
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I heard that too... but HSPA+ is not LTE and neither are technically 4G. i dont really consider wimax to to be 4G either thou.
"An IMT-Advanced cellular system must have target peak data rates of up to approximately 100 Mbit/s for high mobility such as mobile access and up to approximately 1 Gbit/s for low mobility such as nomadic/local wireless access, according to the ITU requirements. Scalable bandwidths up to at least 40 MHz should be provided."

I dont want a merger lol less competition equals more money from my pockets. There is plenty of competition right now though among the monthly plan companies keeping things low I guess.
Also it sounds like T-Mobile would be paying Sprint to help build 4G and T-Mobile would get in reward to use 4G. So... now we gotta share with T-Mobile. Also I bet if we start sharing we get capped. I mean currently 4G is uncapped mostly because there arnt a huge network of people using all of its resources.

twilk73 said:
I dont want a merger lol less competition equals more money from my pockets. There is plenty of competition right now though among the monthly plan companies keeping things low I guess.
Also it sounds like T-Mobile would be paying Sprint to help build 4G and T-Mobile would get in reward to use 4G. So... now we gotta share with T-Mobile. Also I bet if we start sharing we get capped. I mean currently 4G is uncapped mostly because there arnt a huge network of people using all of its resources.
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Not quite. The reason there aren't any worries with WiMax is because of the huge amounts of bandwidth Clearwire and Sprint have access to. The bandwidth combined with the shorter range of towers means that the network can handle a lot of people using the network at any given time. T-mobile is small enough, it shouldn't make a big enough difference. The bandwidth part won't change if they ever convert to LTE, so Clear and Sprint have the advantage right now due to having the only functioning 4G capable network and the ability to upgrade that network relatively effortlessly, and still have enough bandwidth to beat Verizon/everyone else.

I actually don't think this is a bad idea. If it would help expedite the expansion of the 4G network then onward and upward I say. For the amount of bandwidth that T-Mo would gain access to it would be a benefit to them. And maybe Sprint could get some pointers from T-Mo on customer service. Sprint has come a long way in that respect since we signed up, but I hear a lot of T customers swear by the service they get. All in all it sounds like it could have a win-win for both companies and the customers. Then again corporate America has an amazing penchant for screwing up what could otherwise be a good thing. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Rumor has been going around for quite some time - today was hardly the first mention of this in the media...
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Pierceye said:
I actually don't think this is a bad idea. If it would help expedite the expansion of the 4G network then onward and upward I say. For the amount of bandwidth that T-Mo would gain access to it would be a benefit to them. And maybe Sprint could get some pointers from T-Mo on customer service. Sprint has come a long way in that respect since we signed up, but I hear a lot of T customers swear by the service they get. All in all it sounds like it could have a win-win for both companies and the customers. Then again corporate America has an amazing penchant for screwing up what could otherwise be a good thing. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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You would be right.my brother had/has nothing but great things to say about tmobile cs.
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I wish they would team up so I could get my hands on a G2.

It's official, CDMA call quality and bandwidth reduction coming on 10th of February.

Severe bandwidth problems to come on the 10th of February and onwards. I left ATT for this?? Crap.. I knew i should have gotten an Epic.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/splash/iphone.jsp

The main difference between AT&T and Verizon is that verizon purchased the largest carrier in the country(network footprint wise) a couple years back leaving them with the most robust network in the country.
AT&T is a bunch of asshats that stopped spending on towers when they figured out that their customers were sufficiently complacent about the network problems being a way of life.

Have you seen any of the articles stating that Android/BB users tend to use more bandwidth on average than iPhone users? What are the biggest smartphones on VZW? Will it cause more network load, yes, but I doubt it will be anything that's going to cripple Verizon's network like it did for AT&T.

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I doubt it will be anything that's going to cripple Verizon's network like it did for AT&T.
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true dat.
VZW got that beefy backhaul
big red prepared, at&t underestimated and has paid for it in customer satisfaction ever since
for more on this: http://gizmodo.com/5730554/will-the-iphone-crush-verizons-network

I really don't think the Iphone is better then any android phone with the balls to back it up. Really you get more out of Google's Android for free then you do from Apple and their aps that you pay for.
I'm going to hold out till something convinces me that my Fascinate is no longer worth it. Could be 2 more years since I just got mine last September.

Interesting. Read the tech specs, it's all GSM information. Wonder if that's live information or just something they put up there for now.

pinecone said:
Interesting. Read the tech specs, it's all GSM information. Wonder if that's live information or just something they put up there for now.
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The phone is identical except for having a CDMA radio instead of the GSM radio. So just replace quad band gsm with 800mhz and 1900mhz for CDMA and remove the ability to talk and download at the same time.

Xanius said:
The phone is identical except for having a CDMA radio instead of the GSM radio. So just replace quad band gsm with 800mhz and 1900mhz for CDMA and remove the ability to talk and download at the same time.
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.... and gain the ability to actually talk when you want to wherever you are.

DarthCivicus said:
I really don't think the Iphone is better then any android phone with the balls to back it up.
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Yeah, but that's not the point... The point is that some of the iHerd will be coming over from AT&T to *add* to all the Android users we're sharing bandwidth with now. Especially in the major markets where AT&T is really bad (like, um, Manhattan), this could mean a BIG spike/shift in data use.
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haha^^
Besides, even if it did cripple data (and it wont), why would it cripple voice? Uninformed threads ftl.

Now we are going to find out the truth. Is it the iphone or AT&T's crappy network.

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Now we are going to find out the truth. Is it the iphone or AT&T's crappy network.
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Both, my iphone and my wifes iphone had vastly different signal quality and dropped calls even when sitting right next to eachother.

I have an ipod touch 4g and a fascinate. Once they get the jailbreak for the 4.2 OS the touch will complement my rooted facinate nicely. Don't need no iphone

I think everyone kind of glossed over what Adrynalyne was saying so let me say it again for him. We use a different type of technology from ATT for cell phone service. It would be pretty hard to create the same type of technical problems due to this. ATT uses a gsm service that uses data and voice over the same bandwith pipe, so huge spikes in either could potentially disrupt the other. Obviously now a days people use data way more than voice, so it has been a thorn in ATT's side because they could never keep up with the bandwith. Verizon on the other hand has voice and data coming down two different pipes, which keeps them separate. All the worrying about call dropping and quality doesn't make sense because iPhone users don't just make phone calls and leave their phone running on calls all day (at least the ones I know) It can, however, effect our data speeds and usage. We already have slower theoretical max speeds than that of ATT, so a slowdown could affect us with less users that of ATT users. But luckily for us, when the iPhone 5 drops, we more advanced android users will be on LTE leaving the unwashed masses to their iPhones on CDMA .

CDMA technology also requires a denser tower configuration compared to GSM, so VZW should have more towers in place where they have service compared to AT&T. Each tower has it's own connection to the internet, so the denser tower configuration should also help distribute the potential increased data load. I also think that the load will be a temporary spike. The first week or two after the release will be the worst as every goes data happy with their new phones. After that, there will be normal usage and rates should return to a somewhat normal level.

I used a Captivate, iphone and several other phones on ATT. It's always the same story, multiple disconnects during travel, very slow data rates and bad reception frequently. We know that ATT fudged their signal strength already, the towers are simply too far apart. But with the expected 9 million plus users, even Verizon towers could get onslaught-ed. I would expect that APPLE, notoriously known for strong arm tactics even forced VERIZON to bump us android users off a call if an iPhone user was using simultaneously and there was no room. Probably part of the contract with Apple. We know Verizon was desperate for this move and is scheduled to lose over 5 Billion in the first year subsidizing Apple. If you in anyway think this is not going to affect us, you are crazy.
It's possible that the ATT users of iphones actually get a boost from this while we Verizon subscribers suffer.

As of around this point last year, Verizon had 91+ million subscribers, and AT&T wasn't too far behind (~85 million). The number of VZW subscribers isn't going to spike by some crazy number so much so that VZW's network is going to be brought to it's knees. Android phones aren't exactly bandwidth friendly, so if it's not an issue now, it won't be when the iPhone gets release.
Verizon is seriously OCD about their network, it's part of the reason testing takes so damn long. You can bet they've thought long and hard about the projected spikes, and have made sure their network can handle it. AT&T was in a position where they needed everything they could get, and they underestimated the iPhone's popularity. It's no mystery that the iPhone will sell on Verizon, but there's a history Verizon can use to make sure they're prepared.
I'm not concerned...

orateam said:
I used a Captivate, iphone and several other phones on ATT. It's always the same story, multiple disconnects during travel, very slow data rates and bad reception frequently. We know that ATT fudged their signal strength already, the towers are simply too far apart. But with the expected 9 million plus users, even Verizon towers could get onslaught-ed. I would expect that APPLE, notoriously known for strong arm tactics even forced VERIZON to bump us android users off a call if an iPhone user was using simultaneously and there was no room. Probably part of the contract with Apple. We know Verizon was desperate for this move and is scheduled to lose over 5 Billion in the first year subsidizing Apple. If you in anyway think this is not going to affect us, you are crazy.
It's possible that the ATT users of iphones actually get a boost from this while we Verizon subscribers suffer.
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1. Not all AT&T iPhone users are going to switch over on 2/10, and there are a ton of reasons for this. Mainly corporate discounts, service, carrier history, cost, etc.
2. They will not kick people off of their connection if a tower is overloaded. If they do and get caught, you can imagine the law suit that would cause.
3. Verizon is not desperate for customers/iPhone. If the rumors are true, Verizon passed up the iPhone the first time around. And with all the money being put into the DROID lineup, why would they be desperate to bring in it's biggest competitor.
4. AT&T users will still have issues because AT&T has a crappy network. It won't be as bad, but it will still have its problems.

lets be honest. at&t sucked before the iphone. vzw will have a proportional number of people switching to lte anyway will offset any iphone att&t ship jumpers.
we will be fine with our robust network and ****ty customer service. vzw will be able to justify their arrogance well into the future.
have no fears.

Xanius said:
The phone is identical except for having a CDMA radio instead of the GSM radio. So just replace quad band gsm with 800mhz and 1900mhz for CDMA and remove the ability to talk and download at the same time.
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Stop parroting AT&T's marketing, it makes you look like a shill. CDMA has never had that ability. It's a function of the radio hardware, and yet CDMA carriers still dominate the cell phone market in the US, and many other areas.
Read facts, then post. It's a much more rewarding path.
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Thoughts about Sprint going to LTE

I have some theories about why Sprint might be going to LTE. Qualcomm has integrated LTE into their newer Snapdragon chips.
Meaning:
1) No need for additional wimax chip
2) Possible better integration into OS, particularly if Google adds LTE to Android.
3) Possible seamless transitions to 4G/3G
4) Mfrs. will be making LTE phones for AT&T and Veirzon. Adding Wimax for Sprint will add to design/implementation/testing cost.
5) Verizon is doing the work for Voice (and text) over LTE, may be easier to piggyback off of that than to develop it for WiMax
6) LTE is already specified/tested for the 800 Mhz bandwidth that Sprint wants to deploy 4G on whereas Wimax is not

1, sprint rushed to be the industry first with 4g.
2, Clearwire didn't have a solid financial foundation and wont give up enough control for sprints liking so they wont move forward with clear.
3,Lightsquared might just give up enough rights to there LTE network to make it profitable for sprint to make the transition seamlessly as possible with a simple chip swap in there towers and software update in house to make the transition.
There are some Pro's too this for the end user.
1, cheaper handsets, to the public
2, better pricing from the carriers

umm in a nutshell signal at 800mhz travels further and penetrates better. network infrastructure for LTE and Wimax make it easy to switch. So if you can get similar speeds, with less LTE antennas and better penetration, I cant see any reason why Sprint wouldnt make the jump. Plus Clear aint looking to good lol

good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html

Clear did a piss poor job of building out their 4g network. They were also hell bent on providing retail services to end consumers. Money was spent on providing retail services (retail employees, store front, etc) that could have been better spent on building the network.
My house doesn't get 4g, my subdivision is like an island surrounded by 4g. Just a few blocks away are a couple of apartment complexes, and there used to be a sign from Clear stating '10mb/s tested here' or something to that effect. So it almost seems like they were focused on building out a network in a way so their retail side could make more sales. The focused should have been building solid coverage. Right now 4g is too spotty and I rarely turn it on. It's only useful if you're stationary. This is in Houston, one of the first areas to get 4g.
This is all my opinion of course. I think this is why Sprint wants to build out their own lte network. Sprint wanted Clear to coordinate with Sprint on the buildout, clear wanted to do their own thing and had dreams of having a successful retail side. Now they're broke and wimax build out has slowed to a crawl.
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They'll probably allow the use of WIMAX AND LTE with the Kyocera Echo at the same time. WIMAX on top screen and LTE on the bottom one.

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They'll probably allow the use of WIMAX AND LTE with the Kyocera Echo at the same time. WIMAX on top screen and LTE on the bottom one.
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Do we need to make another announcement announcing this announcement? Should we get Davd Blaine again or get the big guns? Maybe have Justin Bieber pull a rabbit out of his hair?

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Do we need to make another announcement announcing this announcement? Should we get Davd Blaine again or get the big guns? Maybe have Justin Bieber pull a rabbit out of his hair?
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That is not where he keeps the rabbits...

sgt. slaughter said:
good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
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Interesting stuff but no links or docs. Are we just supposed to take his anonymous word for it?
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sgt. slaughter said:
good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
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This post is 100% B.S. Wimax and LTE are pure-IP networks and either can be controlled on a per-packet level if the operator chooses to do so.

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This post is 100% B.S. Wimax and LTE are pure-IP networks and either can be controlled on a per-packet level if the operator chooses to do so.
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Yes they "could" be controlled but the point the poster "RiverofIce" was saying is that it isn't allowed to be done with WiMax in the first place.
the third post has the doc links supporting the LTE policy's and how they will manage the traffic.

form that link.. (which i am the OP of)
you can see how the other carriers with lte are planning to make it a toll road of it... this is 100% going to happen on lte.
wimax .. is open.. full access and should not be limited... of course anything can be designed or created to limit it.
i would rather take my chances with a maybe.. than a 100% sure pocket robbery.

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Yes they "could" be controlled but the point the poster "RiverofIce" was saying is that it isn't allowed to be done with WiMax in the first place.
the third post has the doc links supporting the LTE policy's and how they will manage the traffic.
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What is the source for the claim that WiMax must be a neutral network? Who enforces this?
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LTE in and of itself is open as well. It's just that there are no rules governing putting in toll roads like on WiMAX. It's just like Android is in and of itself open-source, but others (HTC Sense, MIUI, etc) can and do create closed source iterations. Sprint going LTE doesn't preclude that they will put up toll roads.

hmmm net neutrality. Very controversial topic being debated on the hill with millions of dollars of lobbyist money. I'm more worried about where Justin bieber keeps his rabbit. Now thY
at would be an announcement show.

I'm no business genius but I propose a question.
What if Sprint is just letting Clear wither away for a while so it will be cheaper to buy them up and then do whatever the hell they want to with the network?
DISCLAIMER::: Do not take this as a rumor or start an argument over how I posted this without proof. This is just a thought for a discussion.

^^^
i have heard... sprint owns 51% of clear... so the already control it.

Dan330 said:
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i have heard... sprint owns 51% of clear... so the already control it.
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Yeah. It's just that officially, Sprint is a MVDO (equivalent of Cricket to Sprint) to Clear. Never understood how Sprint could be 51% owner, but yet have no direct control.

I think they should focus on making their 3G network a 3G network first, since right now, I'm pretty sure edge would beat what I get for 3G. :|

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I think they should focus on making their 3G network a 3G network first, since right now, I'm pretty sure edge would beat what I get for 3G. :|
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+9999999999 for sure.
Just ran a speed test on 3G. 148/381. Wtf.

Sprint LTE Agreement with Lightsquared CONFIRMED !!!

Still makes me wonder where this leaves WiMax. Though, Doesnt say whether or not Sprint will actually utilize LTE for its own. BUT we'll see how this all plays out. Never the less, exciting news for Sprint. Cant wait to get some of that 800mhz goodness on my next phone once Network Vision starts rolling out!!
http://newsroom.sprint.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1989

I'm due for my upgrade in september, but I'm willing to keep my evo and save that upgrade for an LTE phone when its released.

Lightsquared still has to get the interference problem with GPS sorted out.

I wonder if the newer 4G WiMax phones will be upgradable?

sk63 said:
Lightsquared still has to get the interference problem with GPS sorted out.
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They already did if I remember correctly
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sk63 said:
Lightsquared still has to get the interference problem with GPS sorted out.
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They have pretty much done that:
http://www.lightsquared.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/PoliticoPro.6.30.11.pdf
I think that this is potentially great news. Considering that Sprint just posted another nearly billion dollars in loss for the second quarter, they need a shot in the arm badly. Instant nation-wide LTE would be a big boost to them. If they got this along with the new iPhone, I think that they could really start making some headway against the bigger phone companies.
I hope so, at any rate. I am rooting for Sprint (no pun intended) in a big way, because if they went out of business or, worse, were bought by one of the big two, I don't know what I'd do.

a lot of money needs to be pulled somewhere to make this LTE happen. I belive LTE is why Verizon charges so much for data. I hope this don't mean the end of unlimited data in the future.
I'd prefer unlimited Wimax over $80 10gb LTE any day of the week

I wonder if they will be attempting to run Wimax and LTE, using both for some reason..

jt513 said:
I wonder if they will be attempting to run Wimax and LTE, using both for some reason..
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The contact with the WiMax supplier will expire soon and no word of they will renew it

Ahh, that makes sense then. I don't use 4G much, however it is nice to have it when you need it. I live less than .1 miles from the current edge of 4G in my area.

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I wonder if they will be attempting to run Wimax and LTE, using both for some reason..
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They will until their contract expires, sprint will run the 2.5ghz wimax signal on a different freq than LTE I believe. I think thats what going on now; if i read correctly sprint is phasing out the nextel push to talk bs thats using their 800 freq and thats what wimax is going to use until they build network vison.
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I wonder if the newer 4G WiMax phones will be upgradable?
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doubt it as that would require swapping hardware dont know if they're going to do that for millions of phones.

exciting
if this is true this is pretty exciting

I talked to one of the service people at sprint and he said its going to be a software upgrade for all the current wimax phones. He also gave me a sneak peek of some of their new phones coming out.

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I talked to one of the service people at sprint and he said its going to be a software upgrade for all the current wimax phones. He also gave me a sneak peek of some of their new phones coming out.
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Sounds like a little guesswork mixed with a lot of BS.

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I talked to one of the service people at sprint and he said its going to be a software upgrade for all the current wimax phones. He also gave me a sneak peek of some of their new phones coming out.
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I have a real hard time believing anyone at the Sprint store (save for MAYBE corporate) would know anything about new phones, much less be able to show you. In my experience, the in store people are more clueless about their own phones then their users are.
But i digress. I thought Sprint was going to use the LTE on the backend (i can't remember the term, backhaul, backbone, etc) to speed up wimax AND 3G in one fell swoop.

dirkyd3rk said:
They will until their contract expires, sprint will run the 2.5ghz wimax signal on a different freq than LTE I believe. I think thats what going on now; if i read correctly sprint is phasing out the nextel push to talk bs thats using their 800 freq and thats what wimax is going to use until they build network vison.
doubt it as that would require swapping hardware dont know if they're going to do that for millions of phones.
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network vision upgrades are part of phasing out nextel iden phones. they are switching all iden customers over to the new cdma ptt thing they have, and will have phones supporting it out later this year. I'm pretty sure iden is set to run till 2013 too.
wimax can't run on 800MHz less they get it provisioned with the FCC to run on that freq too b/c right now its only provisioned for the higher band ones for some reason.
theres no clue what exactly they are going to do with wimax in the far future exactly wether it be for backhaul or something else.
The lightsquared deal gets lightsquare the ability to set up their lte on sprints network and they plan to have it rolled out to first markets in 2012, and will have nationwide coverage over one year ahead of the FCC mandate which puts it around 2014

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Sounds like a little guesswork mixed with a lot of BS.
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I believe that you are correct. There was an article not long ago elaborating on Sprint's plan to move to LTE in the future due to both Clearwire's financial troubles and instability, as well as LTE's ultimate higher potential.
It stated that as the move to LTE gets closer, phones that support both will begin to be released. However, I was made to understand that LTE and WiMAX require different hardware so they would both have to be included. This would appear to indicate that a software/firmware update to an existing phone designed for WiMAX would not be a reality.

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I talked to one of the service people at sprint and he said its going to be a software upgrade for all the current wimax phones. He also gave me a sneak peek of some of their new phones coming out.
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Sorry bro who ever you talked to does'nt know what they talking about wimax and lte use defferent radios. We will need to get new phones.
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sk63 said:
Lightsquared still has to get the interference problem with GPS sorted out.
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They have pretty much done that:
http://www.lightsquared.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/PoliticoPro.6.30.11.pdf
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They actually aren't even close to working that out yet. As a matter of fact, all of the major aviation related industry groups have just formed a coalition (click this link to see the coalition web page) to fight Lightsquared's proposal. The problem is, Lightsquared's so called "solution" is to require all GPS equipment manufactures to upgrade their devices to eliminate the interference that Lightsquared's system would cause. This is probably not going to happen, as it would cost thousands of dollars each to replace the GPS navigation system in every aircraft that has one, which includes the majority of aircraft currently flying in the US, including US military aircraft. Because it is a flight safety issue, and their current proposed solution would involve millions, or even billions of dollars to implement, I seriously doubt a solution that will allow Lightsquared to go forward will come very soon.
While I am by no means an expert on the technology, my understanding of the problem is that Lightsquared's high powered land based transmitters operate on a frequency band so close to the band that GPS satellite's low powered downlink signals are transmitted on, that they basically jam the signal that the GPS receivers are trying to receive. The result is that GPS receivers are effectively useless when operating anywhere near a Lightsquared transmitter. Sounds pretty hard to fix to me.

wanted to comment again on the Lightsquared LTE talk about the interference with GPS devices. The CEO was on CNBC this past week and when the question came up about the interference it was pretty simple answer and it really made it seem like the media has gotten it all backwards.
The FCC has mandated they have a buildout done by time X and granted them access to spectrum X. Well the interference with GPS devices that has come up is not b/c of Lightsquared's fault, it is b/c the GPS devices are not filtering out lightsquared's freq/spectrum even though they were given years head notice that this would be happening. So its b/c the GPS devices are coming onto Lightsquared's area and not the other way around.
the gps issue is a non issue with regards to lightsquared b/c its not their fault, its the gps manufacturers for not taking proper measures to be ready for lightsquareds rollout when they knew way in advance.