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EVO in Australia

I got a HD2, replacing a Hero last month and am VERY excited about the Evo.
I can't seem to find a mention of Australia anywhere, I saw that the UK was apparently missing out as they don't have a 4G network but Vivid Wireless has just been launched in Perth here in Australia running a 4G Network and is currently on its way to coming online in other major cities.
So what do you think?
Will the Evo be coming to Australia?
I will end up importing one if it doesn't but I'd rather not have the Sprint branding (I'm that much of a purist)

if u import it how are u gonna use it? coz i thought it doesnt use sim card (correct me if im wrong)
But i really do hope this phone comes to australia

Not likely.
The EVO runs on the 4g network at Sprint. Perth is the only city that has a 4g network AFAIK (vividwireless.com.au), but its not linked to a cellular network in any way so a phone on this service would be unable to make phonecalls...
It does still have EVDO but that's slow and makes the phone pointless to release among Australia's market.

I dont know about the EVO using SIM cards but I was under the impression that it can function on 3G as well as 4G

The Evo, as a CDMA device released for Sprint, will not use a SIM card. But yes, the device will be able to function on both 4G and 3G. It will search for a WiMAX (4G) connection, and if it cannot connect, it will then search for a EVDO (3G) connection.

I have a feeling they will have a SIM card for the phone. Otherwise it wouldn't make for a great world phone Verizon has SIM slots in some of their phones in order to be a world phone on GSM networks.
I think the same will apply here. Knowing HTC they will follow up with a phone that will be equivalent in a next HD3/HD4 release for 850/900 networks.
They are truly moving the whole phone market at the moment. They are the phone company to beat in regards to style and innovation.
I do like the Samsung Galaxy S as well. But I have become attached to the Sense UI and that is one of the main reasons I do not want to get the Nexus One for AT&T. I will pay a little more to get the one from Telstra is AT&T doesn't release any news of a better android phone by April 27th.
I am due for an upgrade or I will move to Sprint for the EV0 4G which I think I will get anyways.
I have the Tmobile HD2 and the lock ups pisses me off even with several of the other ROM's I have flashed.
Oh well can't have everything. I might return the phone. I have a few more days.

this phone will not work in Australia. it is not a world phone and was developed for Sprint to steal business from other US carriers. there is no SIM card and if the 4g in Perth is LTE instead of WiMax, data won't work there either. EVDO isn't compatible in any way with GSM. Most likely, this phone won't be able to be flashed to work on another CDMA company here in the USA. Sorry, I know GSM is a world standard, but Sprint here provides the best service/price without a doubt and average speeds are better than GSM here because of how the GSM companies spread out their towers compared to the EVDO companies. this is an amazing break for us on Sprint since our phones generally SUCK. Even the Pre which debued on Sprint turned out to be a flop because Sprint had no standards for software or hardware and the first phones released fell apart by just looking at them the wrong way. at least this time, the phone is based off another phone (hd2) but better and running Android.
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It's a shame that it uses the CDMA network instead of GSM. This is the only credible challenge to iPhone so far. I'm dying to see it coming to Australia. My only concern is still the accuracy of the touch screen. Hope that HTC has sorted this out by now.

Yeah it's a real shame this isn't a world phone. It packs a royal punch.
The Desire isn't too bad a competitor to the iPhone though. Why not consider that?

Possible to use Epic 4G on other networks?

I'm a Cellular South user who's reallllly lusting after the Epic 4G -- sadly it looks like it's going to be the only Galaxy S slider released. Once the phone is released and rooted, would it be possible for the phone to work on non-Sprint carriers? I've currently got a HTC Hero, and I know for the longest time our ROMs were based off of the Sprint RUU.
Just curious if this is plausible, very likely, or not a chance in hell.
Thanks,
DrHogie

Sure it will be possible just like the Hero was. 4G won't be possible, but the phone will be able to at least make calls until you figure out any of the other stuff needed for data and market.

How compatible do you think this phone would be with MetroPCS? Also, I heard that LTE could be added with a firmware update on this phone, or at least phones like it. Is that true? If so, do you think it might work on other future 4G networks, like that of Verizon or Metro? Sorry for all the potentially silly questions, I've never shopped for a CDMA phone before.

LTE uses a SIM card I believe so without the hardware built into the pone, you couldn't use it on that kind of network.

I read a blog with an interview of a Sprint higher up saying that they could potentially change the technology of 4g quickly and cheaply in places that currently have 4g. However, I don't know if that means another set of GSM 3G vs CDMA 3G like we have now. Maybe it would be a CDMA LTE that doesn't use a SIM?
Hopefully they just leave well enough alone. I know the technology will be different at Verizon (LTE) and T-MO(HSPA+), but differences usually foster growth for the best to keep up. I guess that would also eliminate a roaming data possiblity.
Who knows...lots of questions.

LTE isn't CDMZA based, it is its own beast.
This is where I read about the SIM card http://gizmodo.com/5590530/leaked-documents-and-lte-sim-show-verizon-4g-launch-is-imminent
Wikipedia is more info if you search LTE about the technology.

ANy word on a US 3g version?

I am looking to buy this phone. Is there any news on an 3G 850/1900 version coming out (to use on ATT)

As far as I know, it won't ever be available in the US. I can't imagine it would sell too well if it did, either, as it's basically the EU equivalent of the EVO 4G, give or take a few features

No US release, but you can buy it, and import it, to the US. I did just that. You get all the function of the phone, but instead of 3G you only get 2G (the bands work on T-Mobile and AT&T). Not a problem for me since 99% of the time I'm in a Wi-Fi zone. Even using 2G only I get speeds around 500 KBPS. Very usable. The hardware and software blow the Evo out of the water. It's not even a comparison, and besides the Evo is Sprint only. I'm on T-Mobile, and they have no phone that is Android with a 4.3 screen, and the specs of the DHD.

If only carriers such as TELUS or some other carrier from Australia will work for the ATT 3g. Maybe bell Canada will sick it up. I hope.
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If im not mistaken your (US) Desire HD will be called Incredible HD

ATT's 2G speeds are incredibly slow... the most i get is 150kbps, which takes me almost 20 mins to download (for example) angry birds from the android market. I've had the hd2 without 3g access for a while now, and am tired of not being able to look something up really fast when I need it. Anyone know of any equivalent to the desire HD (except for the galaxy) that may be coming out soon, that can be used on ATT's 3G network?

LeviathanPT said:
If im not mistaken your (US) Desire HD will be called Incredible HD
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Nope, the incredible HD is the similar to the EVO as it will be CDMA and not GSM

bobbyphoenix said:
No US release, but you can buy it, and import it, to the US. I did just that. You get all the function of the phone, but instead of 3G you only get 2G (the bands work on T-Mobile and AT&T). Not a problem for me since 99% of the time I'm in a Wi-Fi zone. Even using 2G only I get speeds around 500 KBPS. Very usable. The hardware and software blow the Evo out of the water. It's not even a comparison, and besides the Evo is Sprint only. I'm on T-Mobile, and they have no phone that is Android with a 4.3 screen, and the specs of the DHD.
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Thats why im getting pissed off. WTF is that all about HTC!!!! I want fast connection and I love DHD. Evo came out, Droid X came out and i couldnt get any because CDMA. Now DHD is out but no 3g in NA !!!!! now Incredible Hd will be out and CDMA also
Where did you buy ur DHD from and at what price. I am planning to do the same to use it in CANADA hopefully

"shipping in North America later this year" according to HTC reps at the London announcement (Giz)

I hope they don't mean cdma version or a version for Tmo.. That would really piss me off. Tmo seems to get all the good gsm android phones now adays

HSPA+ Whats the deal?!

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/samsung-galaxy-s-2-and-10-1-inch-honeycomb-tablet-leaked-on-kore/
Alright as seen above is the Galaxy S2, Mkkkkkk thats great and all but because it has HSPA+ does that mean it can be on T-Mobile only I get confused by this and think "God dammit the antenna cant be run on Sprint, there is no way we are getting that phone now" This happened with the Pre 3 too, I just need some further insight into what that spec means and how it affects which provider the phone is going too.
Cordially
Blitz

Blitzpwnage said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/samsung-galaxy-s-2-and-10-1-inch-honeycomb-tablet-leaked-on-kore/
Alright as seen above is the Galaxy S2, Mkkkkkk thats great and all but because it has HSPA+ does that mean it can be on T-Mobile only I get confused by this and think "God dammit the antenna cant be run on Sprint, there is no way we are getting that phone now" This happened with the Pre 3 too, I just need some further insight into what that spec means and how it affects which provider the phone is going too.
Cordially
Blitz
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you sir would be correct, that will not work on a sprint network.

Blitzpwnage said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/samsung-galaxy-s-2-and-10-1-inch-honeycomb-tablet-leaked-on-kore/
Alright as seen above is the Galaxy S2, Mkkkkkk thats great and all but because it has HSPA+ does that mean it can be on T-Mobile only I get confused by this and think "God dammit the antenna cant be run on Sprint, there is no way we are getting that phone now" This happened with the Pre 3 too, I just need some further insight into what that spec means and how it affects which provider the phone is going too.
Cordially
Blitz
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HSPA+ is run on GSM networks NOT CDMA which is what sprint and Verizon use. Hence the different stuff on each network ex. EVDO, and HSPA

I think at&t also is going to be using hspa+

swaze said:
you sir would be correct, that will not work on a sprint network.
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Yes, but keep in mind that leak is coming from Korea and it's going to be at MWC so it's no surprise that it only mentions a GSM / HSPA+ version. Nothing says that there wont be a CDMA / LTE / Wimax version for Sprint / Verizon.
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HSPA+ is what the GSM carriers are doing for 4G right now. I think ATT is going to do LTE, T-mobile doesn't plan on it...I just switched back to sprint from t-mobile and the speed difference is ridiculous. Even on 4G, I am getting half the data speeds that I did with t-mobile HSDPA. Definitely not what I expected.

When the original Galaxy S was announced, it was GSM only as well but variants came out for all the carriers. I wouldn't buy anything from Samsung though, regardless of how appealing it seems.

*sigh*
HSPA+ = GSM = AT&T, T-Mobile, and 99% of all carriers in Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and South America.

drmacinyasha said:
*sigh*
HSPA+ = GSM = AT&T, T-Mobile, and 99% of all carriers in Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and South America.
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Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.

cdszoke said:
Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.
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Um, actually most of the world uses GSM, which is why gsm phones are commonly referred to as "world phones"
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No, phones that are gsm AND CDMA are referred to as world phones typically.
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liquidtenmillion said:
No, phones that are gsm AND CDMA are referred to as world phones typically.
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Actually, the term pre-dates combo GSM/CDMA devices and was used to refer to GSM phones since GSM networks were the predominate cell technology outside of the US (and still are).
Oh, and to the OP, HSPA+ is being marketed as "4G" currently by AT&T alongside their yet-to-be-launched LTE network. Talk about confusing You may find that with a little bit of effort,( or none at all) HSPA+ equipped devices will bet interchangeable between T-mobile and AT&T. There are also rumours that some LTE-equipped devices will be able to swap between Verizon and AT&T.

Yep..me too. Actually breaking my contract (less than a year in because of Sprints abysmal speed) as soon as Infuse, or Galaxy 2 etc break.

Can't wait for the infuse 4g .... 4.5 in screeen wow

cdszoke said:
Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.
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I lived in Cambodia for five years and travelled between often to Thailand and other countries. They all use GSM...

I'm breaking contract with T-mobile. I had a G1, loved it. Got a Vibrant, it was a nightmare trying to get it to work correctly, although I can't lie, I still enjoyed having it. Got a Nexus S, too many problems, returned it. Got a MT4G, nice phone, runs smoothly, but the screen was too small and the phone itself is a bit on the ugly side.
The real determing factor for me was that Sprint has 4G in my area, all of the other providers have 3G, and T-mobile is still running on Edge. I'm within my 30 day trial period w/ Sprint and the Evo, and I'll see how it goes. I was really hoping on going w/ Verizon and the HTC Thunderbolt, but alas, it's still up-in-the-air when it will come out. Verizon is more expensive as well when it comes to data plans. And as far as the MT4G, although CM7 runs very well on it, and it is very stable, I still can't bring myself to buying a 4G phone from a company that only offers Edge in my area (supposedly the military base near here is using their 3G towers to link to Afghanistan, but that's their problem, not mine)

gessin64 said:
Can't wait for the infuse 4g .... 4.5 in screeen wow
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Do yourself a favor... don't buy a Samsung device. They make good screens, I'll admit. But you'll be waiting for updates forever, and somebody won't release the code... just look at the Vibrant threads... they haven't even gotten CM6, let alone CM7.

cdszoke said:
Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.
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You're an idiot. The only places outside of North America that CDMA are used are sporadically in China, a carrier or two in Japan, here and there in the rest of Asia, and that's about it.
"World phones" are AT&T (since they use different frequencies than the rest of the world's GSM networks except for... Telstra in Australia?), Verizon, and Sprint phones which have extra radios that support the standard quad-band networks. That's why there's two models of the Nexus One: A T-Mobile/World model, and the AT&T model.

The future of mobile is going to be in wifi not cellular. Hspa+ is TM's trial run at nailing down seemless transfer from 4G to wifi for data and voice calls. Assuming there are not many stumbling blocks, their future (and any other wireless companies that dont want to be left behind) will be into switching to running purely off wifi towers.

Questions from a european about carriers in CA & US

Hello folks
I hope if there's any right place at xda for what I want to ask it is the "networking" subforum... If not then I'd like to apologize. :angel:
In the near future (heck in about one week!) I'm starting my journey to America. I'll be in New York for two weeks and then go to Toronto. After two to four weeks there I want to start travelling through Canada (backpacking). And as I have half a year time (or as long as my money suffices ) I really want to go everywhere (except for the far northern part of Canada). Now... I am asking myself what would be the best solution in terms of "connectivity"!?
As I am from small Switzerland I don't really know how it works with different carriers covering different areas because here all the carriers cover the whole country so it's nothing I'd consider when choosing a carrier. Is it like roaming when you're in a region where your carrier doesn't have his own antennas but another one has?
Some other questions are:
0. Will my Sony Xperia Z (bought in Norway ) work in CA & US? (Model Number C6603)
1. Is there any possibility to have a number in NYC and also use it for Canada without a lot of trouble?
2. Would you choose to have a contract (I guess you also call it a plan) or would you go with a prepay card for each of the two countries and just load it with money from time to time?
3. I found this pretty neat site called coveragemapper (unfortunately I cannot post the link... ). According to this site Bell / Telus and Rogers Wireless have the best coverage. Do you think either of them is a good choice?
I know xda is everything but a travelers-forum but I thought everyone who's here really knows the different plans and options from each carrier and how it all works! So I hope that you can help me out with some information!
greets from Switzerland
Michel

You will of course have GSM voice coverage, and decent LTE where it is available. 3G coverage is going to be spotty with that model. North America does not use WCDMA Band I which is the ubiquitous default band in most of the world and that model lacks most of the 3G bands used in the US. (As far as I can tell you only have band V available to you)
Yes, frequency bands in North America are a total mess compared with the rest of the world. (And the pervasiveness of cdmaOne and friends make it even worse)

evildave_666 said:
You will of course have GSM voice coverage, and decent LTE where it is available. 3G coverage is going to be spotty with that model. North America does not use WCDMA Band I which is the ubiquitous default band in most of the world and that model lacks most of the 3G bands used in the US. (As far as I can tell you only have band V available to you)
Yes, frequency bands in North America are a total mess compared with the rest of the world. (And the pervasiveness of cdmaOne and friends make it even worse)
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Hi evildave
Thanks for your reply! Okay, that's good to hear at least it'll work. I do have an old Galaxy Nexus which I could use as well if that's any better. But anyways I won't be depending on my internet connection on my travels. At least hopefully.

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Hi evildave
Thanks for your reply! Okay, that's good to hear at least it'll work. I do have an old Galaxy Nexus which I could use as well if that's any better. But anyways I won't be depending on my internet connection on my travels. At least hopefully.
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You would have more consistent and reliable data service with the Galaxy Nexus (at the cost of peak speed).

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You would have more consistent and reliable data service with the Galaxy Nexus (at the cost of peak speed).
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Okay, thanks. Actually I dislike the Nexus since I am an audiophile and need a lot of memory space for my music. But I'll see, maybe I'll take it anyways and have it as a spare phone.^^