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I have the Vibrant. My friend has the Incredible. I compared the two.
While on paper the Vibrant tops the Incredible in terms of hardware (aside from camera related areas), the Incredible seems to be a bit more snappy. Now I am not saying the Vibrant is "slow", but rather there is noticeable ~.5-1 sec delay when opening messaging, for example, where as the Incredible has none, at all. (I have applied Ryan's lagfix and hit 2.2k on Quadrant... wish Quadrant results would reflect actual performance.)
Seeing as how Vibrant has the better hardware, my guess is it must be Sense UI vs TouchWiz thing. I love TouchWiz (don't flame me) but if it is the one causing my otherwise great phone to slow down... I will nuke the thing.
What do you guys think?
I thought I saw that the incredible was starting to see froyo. Has he updated? That would make a huge difference. If you are seeing lash on the Samsung specific apps. I would say it is likely touchwiz vs. sense thing.
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We need a later firmware revision. The one we have isn't very good. Later versions reduce or eliminate the type of lag you're talking about.
Besides that, I don't know what you're trying to prove here
My guess would be it's Touchwiz that causes this but there could also be other factors involved. I have a friend with an incredible and he replaced his messaging with handcent because the lag he was getting from opening the messaging app itself as well as the threads.
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DarkAgent said:
I have the Vibrant. My friend has the Incredible. I compared the two.
While on paper the Vibrant tops the Incredible in terms of hardware (aside from camera related areas), the Incredible seems to be a bit more snappy. Now I am not saying the Vibrant is "slow", but rather there is noticeable ~.5-1 sec delay when opening messaging, for example, where as the Incredible has none, at all. (I have applied Ryan's lagfix and hit 2.2k on Quadrant... wish Quadrant results would reflect actual performance.)
Seeing as how Vibrant has the better hardware, my guess is it must be Sense UI vs TouchWiz thing. I love TouchWiz (don't flame me) but if it is the one causing my otherwise great phone to slow down... I will nuke the thing.
What do you guys think?
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Have you applied the "fix" yet? I don't see any delays or lag when I open apps.
if you apply the "lag fix" i'm almost certain you won't be able to notice any slow downs in terms of opening applications.
from the limited knowledge I have of the whole "samsung vibrant lag" it's caused by the way the vibrant processes I/O read/write? it's very inefficient as compared to other phones. the fix is a work around and it literally makes it amazingly "snappy" and fast.
I'm choosing to hold off on the fix for now, people reporting issues and having to ODIN flash back to stock is turning me off.
*edit - totally missed the part that said you applied the lag fix. reading comprehension ftl
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While on paper the Vibrant tops the Incredible in terms of hardware (aside from camera related areas), the Incredible seems to be a bit more snappy. Now I am not saying the Vibrant is "slow", but rather there is noticeable ~.5-1 sec delay when opening messaging, for example, where as the Incredible has none, at all. (I have applied Ryan's lagfix and hit 2.2k on Quadrant... wish Quadrant results would reflect actual performance.)
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He has applied the lag fix.
Tpavey said:
I thought I saw that the incredible was starting to see froyo. Has he updated? That would make a huge difference. If you are seeing lash on the Samsung specific apps. I would say it is likely touchwiz vs. sense thing.
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Naw, hes on 2.1
heygrl said:
We need a later firmware revision. The one we have isn't very good. Later versions reduce or eliminate the type of lag you're talking about.
Besides that, I don't know what you're trying to prove here
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Not trying to prove anything. I am half venting my superphone is not-so-super and half asking for advice on this issue (indirectly).
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My guess would be it's Touchwiz that causes this but there could also be other factors involved. I have a friend with an incredible and he replaced his messaging with handcent because the lag he was getting from opening the messaging app itself as well as the threads.
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The problem is it isn't just on messaging; its pretty much everywhere (except browsing... browsing is blazing fast.)
I have a friend with an incredible its a few months old but I found the opposite to be true. Using her phone made me appreciate the speed of the vibrant, I almost felt like I was back using a G1. my phone is about as stock as you can get aside from running launcher pro instead of the regular home app.
2.2 will only make this thing faster. I use touchwiz to show off my phone. It is a lil choppy but never slow. I think our only competitor when we get 2.2 will be the x but for some reason im not worried.
Sgs
My Vibrant never lags. No fix applied.
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My Vibrant never lags. No fix applied.
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Me neither. Had it since release. No lag and about 120 apps installed...
Just need 2.2 and I'm golden....
Gps even works good here... lol
After spending more time with TouchWiz's launcher, I can safely say it is the root of a lot lag. Sucks because I really like it.
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After spending more time with TouchWiz's launcher, I can safely say it is the root of a lot lag. Sucks because I really like it.
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I wonder how it would run on a snapdragon .. lol
Probably horrible ..
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Me neither. Had it since release. No lag and about 120 apps installed...
Just need 2.2 and I'm golden....
Gps even works good here... lol
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Yupe .. same here.
When the battery is running low it will not let me take pictures..... Camera starts and a warning pops up that the battery is too low... and no way around it.
Let me kill my battery if I want to!!! If feel like an iPhone user being told what I can or cannot do...
Same with the vibrant bout sure about the other ones...anyone know if the international version is the same?
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Samething happens on the Captivate as well.
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Have you guys tried any of the camera apps in the market? Do they stop you from taking pics with a low battery as well?
I agree. I can't stand that!
Yesterday my battery was low and I was trying to show a friend some of the cool features on the phone and I got a bunch of BATTERY IS LOW popups.
Come on now. Its able to load up graphic intensive games but can't take a picture if the battery is under 15%??
posted from a EPIC4G.
Samsung will let you play the intense graphic games until the battery dies, but god forbid you want to take a quick snapshot. Ill learn to live with it as I don't use cameras often, but this phone takes some decent pics.
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K, so my day came. Gave up the evolution : -) for the Epic. I am for the overall part happy and yet still excited as I find more and more. One thing though, I tested quadrant and received a 914 then a 891 and I was like wtf? I guess this is cause of the lack of froyo?
I gather this must be, cause if you compare true and live performance vs the score, I'm zooming! I don't see where in God's name I could be running as sluggish as 891!
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Ya gotta remember though, when the Evo had 2.1, it scored around 450 or 500 on Quadrant... so the Epic scoring double that is pretty damn good. The JIT from Froyo seems to boost up all the benchmarking speeds dramatically.
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Ya gotta remember though, when the Evo had 2.1, it scored around 450 or 500 on Quadrant... so the Epic scoring double that is pretty damn good. The JIT from Froyo seems to boost up all the benchmarking speeds dramatically.
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This is true. I am VERY happy for the most part. I am enjoying this screen so much even minus the .3 on the screen. The keyboard addition is so nice, I got so used to using virtual I forgot what pressing keys actually felt like, how acurrate it can be. Go to install v27 of gimpstas htc mod.
Oh and one more annoying thing, the damn camera 15% thing is SUPER whack!
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Anyone else have lag issues when unlocked, rooted, with oc'd kernel installed running at any speed. I mostly notice when coming out of standby mode. Text input on web pages is considerably slow, also loading of web pages. When opening apps it doesn't seem to be affected other than movie playback. Any feedback would be appreciated.....
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Oh one other thing....when I first installed OC it was running like wildfire, the longer I'm running it the worse it is getting. Yes the cache was cleared, any other ideas?
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Same issue here, not sure of any fix though.
this happens to me too but it never lastes more than a min or two.
hmmm i havent noticed this at all. have been overclocked for a little over 2 weeks with only a couple restarts due to theme installs
i mean it isn't something that is super noticable for me but sometimes my keyboard lags for a couple mins but then it gets back to normal. i mean it is expected when you have a device that still hasn't had its "official full" update lol.
This makes my Captivate feel like butter. Apple has nothing to worry about.
Its disappointing, to say the least.
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This makes my Captivate feel like butter. Apple has nothing to worry about.
Its disappointing, to say the least.
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Yeah, but compare this experience with stock on the Captivate (cause it's not even close to Serendipity), and that's a whole different comparison
It took a while for good, stable kernels to come out for the Captivate as well. Hopefully Google changes their mind about the source code once the rest of these tablets start coming out, and then we might get some of your fantastic meals for the Xoom too!
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Yeah, but compare this experience with stock on the Captivate (cause it's not even close to Serendipity), and that's a whole different comparison
It took a while for good, stable kernels to come out for the Captivate as well. Hopefully Google changes their mind about the source code once the rest of these tablets start coming out, and then we might get some of your fantastic meals for the Xoom too!
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No kidding. Flash back to stock Eclair on the Captivate to turbo charge your Xoom.
If you are running performance mode with setcpu and have a min freq above 250, the CPU will drop to 250 when you turn screen off and not go above it.
Simple fix is to keep setcpu on "on demand", but you can also keep it on performance and manually bump the freq up by going into setcpu every time you turn the screen on.
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Yea, the only time i lags for me is when i am scrolling via browser or something with a lot of texts / graphics. I would assume a dual 1Ghz would be more smooth than this.
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No kidding. Flash back to stock Eclair on the Captivate to turbo charge your Xoom.
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I'd say that the Xoom is as bad as stock Eclair was.
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I'd say that the Xoom is as bad as stock Eclair was.
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You have something wrong then. I do not have that experience. In fact, if I try to do some intense things like video recording using your Captivate ROM, my phone chokes where my Xoom does not. Granted, the Xoom does lag for me with certain things, mostly certain web sites in the browser including this site, the overall responsiveness has been just as good or better than my Captivate with your ROM.
Perhaps you should be more specific on what you have installed, how your screens are configured, what widgets you are using, etc. so maybe the culprit can be identified. Are you full stock with nothing installed and experiencing this?
I disagree. You have a bad unit or your doing something wrong. Back off the bashing.
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I'd say that the Xoom is as bad as stock Eclair was.
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im not rooted and i still get lag
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If you are running performance mode with setcpu and have a min freq above 250, the CPU will drop to 250 when you turn screen off and not go above it.
Simple fix is to keep setcpu on "on demand", but you can also keep it on performance and manually bump the freq up by going into setcpu every time you turn the screen on.
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This is true. When i had it set to performance i noticed significant lag. When i changed it to on demand it became much smoother.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/14/...-posted?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget
I watched this video back in December when it was released, didn't think much of it recently but had a look at it again this morning to see if it was a Xoom prototype. From what I can tell, it is. What I found most interesting is the app tray fly-in smoothness.
Obviously, this was a development unit shown 4 months before the actual release, so it is not terribly relevant to compare my Xoom with his, but I can't help but wonder why the app tray fly-in looks so much smoother on an early device than it does on a production- ready model (albeit not fully polished). Couple of possibilities:
1. The smoothness is simply a result of the video quality, and a higher rez version on a larger screen may allow me to see the fly-in is as chopp as what I've noticed on production models.
2. Rubin's prototype is super-overclocked and thoroughly optimized to be as smooth as possible in order to not look clunky during its first public appearance.
3. This prototype is working in a non-mobile environment, without any added services used by carrier networks. No use by 3g chip and no background services to support data or voice connectivitt.
Thoughts?
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2 and 3
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3. This prototype is working in a non-mobile environment, without any added services used by carrier networks. No use by 3g chip and no background services to support data or voice connectivity.
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Oh Christ Jesus that SO doesn't matter! Have you ever run "ps" or "logcat" while doing that?!
I have 96 apps loaded on my device. I suspect that as you run thru the screens, it's gotta render each icon in-place. I don't believe for a minute that's going to be fast every time.
I've had co-workers "rate" my Xoom by how quickly the icons swipe in the App Screen, and I look at them like they're ****in' crazy. NEVER MIND the fact that the tablet is fast as hell and does 95% of what I want it to well, they say "it doesn't swipe quickly".
WGAS?!!
"Fast as hell" does not describe the Xoom.
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I've had co-workers "rate" my Xoom by how quickly the icons swipe in the App Screen, and I look at them like they're ****in' crazy. NEVER MIND the fact that the tablet is fast as hell and does 95% of what I want it to well, they say "it doesn't swipe quickly".
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And therin lays the reason apple is so sucsesful. They would by far reduce features and only include features that are refined and work than throw everything in, and even give the possibility to developers to affect the experiance.
So in Android you can change your keyboard, you can edit an MP3 with multiple software and then use it as a ring tone ...
in the iPhone ... you cant
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"Fast as hell" does not describe the Xoom.
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trololololololol.
jondwillis said:
trololololololol.
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It's infuriating slow.
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It's infuriating slow.
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You're infuriatingly trollish.
The xoom is not slow.
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It's infuriating slow.
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Why don't you post a video demonstrating this so we can see how infuriating slow it really is?
That is one thing no one has actually done^
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That is one thing no one has actually done^
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True. I posted this with Launcher Pro and Live Wallpaper and it is totally acceptable to me. Give the fact that Launcher Pro is not even optimized for Honeycomb. seems acceptable to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiZ5EmP8h_o
I challenge anyone complaining to post your own demonstrating the lag.
I made this video using my Captivate and Mike's own ROM so there is not reason he cannot do the same. Instead of posting one sentence with no evidence, why not show us?
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It's infuriating slow.
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You must be doing something wrong. Mine only gets slow when I'm developing over ADB (I think it is a bug, actually..) and when I'm using flash sometimes. A reboot fixes the temporary slowness without fail. I might just be lucky and have a nice unit, since my linpack score is in the top 50 after using the stock kernel OC'd to 1.5 GHz.
But I'm sick of seeing this M of yours attached to whiney posts all over these forums. Please, either figure out how to fix your DEVELOPER TABLET or go complain in some NON-DEVELOPER forums where some lucky CONSUMERS might actually get some value out of the dribble you type.
Better yet, return your Xoom, it is clearly not the right tablet for you.
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You must be doing something wrong. Mine only gets slow when I'm developing over ADB (I think it is a bug, actually..) and when I'm using flash sometimes. A reboot fixes the temporary slowness without fail. I might just be lucky and have a nice unit, since my linpack score is in the top 50 after using the stock kernel OC'd to 1.5 GHz.
But I'm sick of seeing this M of yours attached to whiney posts all over these forums. Please, either figure out how to fix your DEVELOPER TABLET or go complain in some NON-DEVELOPER forums where some lucky CONSUMERS might actually get some value out of the dribble you type.
Better yet, return your Xoom, it is clearly not the right tablet for you.
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Thank you for agreeing with me.
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Thank you for agreeing with me.
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Where is the video Mike? Show us this infuriating lag please.
Please don't feed the trolls (esp. those that don't even have Xooms).
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Please don't feed the trolls (esp. those that don't even have Xooms).
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He is a kid spewing issues and not giving specifics. I know he likes Android but he is not helping solve his issues with his one liners and no details. I challenge him and anyone else to post a video showing the issues. Put up or shut up.
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He is a kid spewing issues and not giving specifics. I know he likes Android but he is not helping solve his issues with his one liners and no details. I challenge him and anyone else to post a video showing the issues. Put up or shut up.
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Typing in text boxes on the web (depending on the website). Specific enough?
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Typing in text boxes on the web (depending on the website). Specific enough?
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Getting closer and I agree with you on certain sites. In fact, XDA has this issue on the Xoom as I mentioned in my video. Anything else besides the browser?
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Typing in text boxes on the web (depending on the website).
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1 - there's a lot of JS on certain sites' in their text boxes (presumably for advanced editing/composition features). You'll also notice on those "slow" sites that there's no keyboard autocorrect popups, either 'cause all input is character-at-a-time
2 - that's what you base "slow" on? You sound like my co-workers and their "it's slow 'cause the apps don't scroll as fast as an iPad" crapola.
(Damn, I fed the troll ...! )
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1 - there's a lot of JS on certain sites' in their text boxes (presumably for advanced editing/composition features). You'll also notice on those "slow" sites that there's no keyboard autocorrect popups, either 'cause all input is character-at-a-time
2 - that's what you base "slow" on? You sound like my co-workers and their "it's slow 'cause the apps don't scroll as fast as an iPad" crapola.
(Damn, I fed the troll ...! )
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What's funny is for the most part the Xoom browser scrolls faster than the iPad's browser. Even the iPad 2 has the checkerboarding everywhere when you scroll.
Just wanted to share my friends ridiculous uptime on his neglected dhd running completely stock as out of the box. Overtime I noticed him being a bit paranoid of running low and always charging around. I checked it and it was around 1k already, without him even considering this as unusual or having the now and then need to restart, like the rest of us From then it became a bit of a challenge for us, and for him an on going obligation and an everyday responsibility... The best part of the story actually is his carelessness towards maintaining a clean and stable os, using it as any subxda user for everyday needs. For the challenge to prove the point the general character of the use couldn't be changed just because of our discovery, and so it hasn't. Atm we hit 3168 and the MSM8255 is humming on
Woah.
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There is honor in what you have achieved. You show us the real meaning of the words "Never give up" and that anything can be achieved as long as we don't give up and keep fighting for our destiny. Our future life is in our own hands.
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There is honor in what you have achieved. You show us the real meaning of the words "Never give up" and that anything can be achieved as long as we don't give up and keep fighting for our destiny. Our future life is in our own hands.
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Deep words for a thread about battery life
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Haha. The kind of flashoholics that we are around here at xda... the stat about uptime has lost all meaning
Are you sure its fully stock? Mine who only ever got to about 200 hours before it started freaking out.
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Woah.. proud of.
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Just wanted to share my friends ridiculous uptime on his neglected dhd running completely stock as out of the box. Overtime I noticed him being a bit paranoid of running low and always charging around. I checked it and it was around 1k already, without him even considering this as unusual or having the now and then need to restart, like the rest of us From then it became a bit of a challenge for us, and for him an on going obligation and an everyday responsibility... The best part of the story actually is his carelessness towards maintaining a clean and stable os, using it as any subxda user for everyday needs. For the challenge to prove the point the general character of the use couldn't be changed just because of our discovery, and so it hasn't. Atm we hit 3168 and the MSM8255 is humming on
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hall of fame!
they even let their battery ran out! :good:
if have another battery, time to use! should consider it wears.
I'm confused, based on the picture the person has been using his phone for 3000 hrs without a reboot, or pretty much asking for a million and one glitches.
Comments seem to suggest he used his phone for 3000hrs with only one charge?
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Fantasic!
Maximum uptime in my DHD: 1592
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I'm confused, based on the picture the person has been using his phone for 3000 hrs without a reboot, or pretty much asking for a million and one glitches.
Comments seem to suggest he used his phone for 3000hrs with only one charge?
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Moron.
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Moron.
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Shame on you.
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Shame on you.
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Kinda silently raged there. I formally retract my statement
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Are you sure its fully stock? Mine who only ever got to about 200 hours before it started freaking out.
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Its never been touched, and this guy disregards any ota. Checked the kernel - its compiled over a year ago xD
The only bug to my knowing has been 3g failing to connect one day - turning it off and on again fixed it...
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I'm confused, based on the picture the person has been using his phone for 3000 hrs without a reboot, or pretty much asking for a million and one glitches.
Comments seem to suggest he used his phone for 3000hrs with only one charge?
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Your right about asking for a million glitches - but he's experienced 1. Thats what makes it extraordinary.
Of course this thread isn't about batterylife, its about uptime. 3000h is around 125 days, so at the very least 125 cycles.
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Haha. The kind of flashoholics that we are around here at xda... the stat about uptime has lost all meaning
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I know, right? Thats a thing you use for your kernels sleep stats
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Are you sure its fully stock? Mine who only ever got to about 200 hours before it started freaking out.
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As a total noob, I'm not getting this. I didn't think there was a point in rebooting Android that often?
My Desire HD is running stock (if that is only official releases and that), has 258 hours uptime, and no bugs or glitches I can think of.
Is it bad having a kernel that is not "new"?
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As a total noob, I'm not getting this. I didn't think there was a point in rebooting Android that often?
My Desire HD is running stock (if that is only official releases and that), has 258 hours uptime, and no bugs or glitches I can think of.
Is it bad having a kernel that is not "new"?
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This very thread is a testimony to exactly this. There is no need to reboot android very often, and there is no need to clear your ram every hour. When that's said, a phone running for 4 month without a hickup is uncommon. Restart android to your liking
Regarding the kernel, the short answer is yes - IF you as you are stating, running stock. If you root your phone, a lot of other things are important regarding the kernel, not just the build date...
But if you have the latest ota (thats, over the air) update you will also have the newest kernel.
Thanks!
Yes, I have the latest update released from HTC, but they scrapped this phone a year ago.
I dunno... In my experience, at least with my setup (apps) on stock sense 3, my phone would work no matter how long I had it on without restarting but it would become EXTREMELY SLOW after like 11-14 days.... could be an app that was causing this, I am not sure... But I don't think I had it w/o reboot for more than like 20-30 days (and maybe once) Then again, I use a lot of widgets and apps so it is more probable that slowness is an app thing than an OS thing. Still, sometimes I envy iSheep users.