[Q] built in IM client - HD2 General

Does the built in IM client in the HD2 T-mobile use data? or is it like other phones it just charges text message?

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A simple way to tell is to have it up and running on your phone and then IM yourself. If it is using text messaging it is pretty damn slow, whereas internet ones like Palringo are instant. Or dial #674#, send a few IMs, dial it again and see if it changed.
I am pretty sure the phone ships with that Oz (?) messaging client and it does in fact use text messages.

thanks, but I was wondering if logging in the IM client uses data.

bazinga said:
thanks, but I was wondering if logging in the IM client uses data.
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Yes, the stock IM client does. I just signed into mine to test, and it flipped on the data connection right away. I doubt it uses very much data at all, but yes it does use some.
EDIT: And yes Jamie, you're right, it's the OZ IM client.

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The Best Instant Messenger (IM)

Thought I would start this thread to identify the best IM for WM5.0 or Wizard. We are looking for a universal IM that connects to MSN, ICQ, AOL and Yahoo.
I have Agile Messenger but it seems to disconnect all the time while in a call or just randomly. Not to reliable. My wife has the sidekick and the IM is flawless.
What do you use and recommend?
Agile Messenger
Pro:
Nice interface that allows you to see all contacts from different services
You can pull ICQ info so you can see who are ebhind those numbers
Separate tabs for each IM window
Alerts when an IM appears
Con:
Connection drops when on call
Connection drops randomly (should be a buffer for lost connections before it disconnects)
The application will randomly close
I use Agile
About the cons:
Connection drops when on call (It uses GPRS/EDGE, which is the same part of the phone that makes/takes calls. The only other way is to use text messages, and that is costly)
Connection drops randomly (should be a buffer for lost connections before it disconnects) (I've never had that happen to me)
The application will randomly close (I've never had that happen to me)
Does anybody use the AIM that comes setup on the MDA? If not, why not? I don't use anything other than AIM, and the one that came with the phone seems to work fine (although I've only had it for a day now).
From what I've heard, the OZ messenger app which comes installed on tmobile mda uses sms to chat. this means you pay for each sms message unless you have unlimitted sms plan. also, i've found it to be painfully slow.
I think agile is great, especially the WM5 alpha build. agile must disconnect during a call because GPRS/EDGE and voice cannot be used at the same time. I also had random disonnects before I updated to the qtek AKU2 rom. Now that i have updated, agile works flawlessly.
the oz communicator does not use sms. i dont know why people start these nasty rumors. the problem i have with oz is that it constantly occupies the notification slot telling you that you ar available. the led will always blink orange when it is on. and i actually caught it disconnected with the available icon still in the notification tray.
if they fixed the notification to only when you get a new message then i would probably use it.
my agile closes its self too.
eguess said:
the oz communicator does not use sms. i dont know why people start these nasty rumors. the problem i have with oz is that it constantly occupies the notification slot telling you that you ar available. the led will always blink orange when it is on. and i actually caught it disconnected with the available icon still in the notification tray.
if they fixed the notification to only when you get a new message then i would probably use it.
my agile closes its self too.
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OZ absolutely does use SMS. I have performed tests on this where the ONLY use that could have been made of the SMS was the OZ client, and the counter got hit for EVERY message.
That's not a "nasty rumor" - its a FACT.
I totally agree that OZ uses SMS. I don't have unlimited SMS, so I never use it. After testing OZ, I suddenly had 45 text messages on my bill. Coincidence? NO! Like I said, I never use SMS, so it certainly was OZ that was using SMS to transmit those IMs back and forth.
Yung said:
I totally agree that OZ uses SMS. I don't have unlimited SMS, so I never use it. After testing OZ, I suddenly had 45 text messages on my bill. Coincidence? NO! Like I said, I never use SMS, so it certainly was OZ that was using SMS to transmit those IMs back and forth.
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I agree, we don't use unlimited SMS either, OZ is definitely SMS-based.
The SMS charges even say "IM" or "AIM" (can't remember which now)
hi, im new to the ppc phones. im using a wizard/o2 xda mini s... and i have a problem.. i can connect to the internet but all my messaging programs cant.. i tried agile, im+ and verichat.. all say cannot connect with current settings.. what should the gprs settings be for tmobile us/ny
help please? thanks in advance
IM Plus by www.shapeshifter.de is the best. Does all the IM transports incl Google.
gavinfabl said:
IM Plus by www.shapeshifter.de is the best. Does all the IM transports incl Google.
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except the website doesn't load and Handango wants $40 for it.
voodoomurphy said:
gavinfabl said:
IM Plus by www.shapeshifter.de is the best. Does all the IM transports incl Google.
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except the website doesn't load and Handango wants $40 for it.
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lol
sorry, thinking of game by astraware. Try www.shapeservices.com
voodoomurphy said:
gavinfabl said:
IM Plus by www.shapeshifter.de is the best. Does all the IM transports incl Google.
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except the website doesn't load and Handango wants $40 for it.
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lol
the website is www.shapeservices.com and somehow I don't like IM+ very much. I like agile better.
new IM software half price
http://www.webmessenger.com/wm5.htm
just seen this. just for wm5 as well.
http://www.webmessenger.com/wm5.htm
just seen this. just for wm5 as well.
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Hmm. Not free though...
I have been using the T-Mobile USA messenger software. It works, but the incoming messages are very slow. Outgoing ones are fast but the incoming take about 5 mins or so. Where can I download the OZ software?
I went to dl agile and the site says WM5 version coming soon. what version are you guys using?
the WM5 version of agile is due in the next 1-2 weeks...
there's a link to an alpha version of the WM5 agile in another xda-dev thread...

ICQ & QTEK 9100 -> an impossible combination?

Is there any useful app which will able me to connect to my ICQ through my QTEK 9100 (except IM+ and Agile Messenger, which doesn't work so well) ?
Mirabilis's ICQ PPC Beta 1 version perhaps?
I've tried it, and it doesn't work.
It gives me an Error msg about the memory.
Something else?
tzafrirs said:
I've tried it, and it doesn't work.
It gives me an Error msg about the memory.
Something else?
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Try Verichat and enable the feature to keep you online even when the device is off once you start it for the 1st time. If you have SMS text messaging, your IM's will come through SMS when your device is off. If you have Verichat running, it will come through TCPCIP internet connection. This has worked great for me so far although I am still evaluating it. Problem with the other apps is that if your phone is off or you lose GPRS/internet connectivity, your IM connection is lost and this happens often. Also, when you receive a voice call, you lose your GPRS connection resulting in your IM session getting dropped. I am only really using the AOL part now so can't say how the ICQ part works.
Suggestion: Download and try it for free as I am doing. Test using another ICQ# on a desktop computer.
http://www.pdaapps.com/verichat_ppc/index.html
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the original ICQ client is very bad and stupid program!
keitht said:
tzafrirs said:
I've tried it, and it doesn't work.
It gives me an Error msg about the memory.
Something else?
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Try Verichat and enable the feature to keep you online even when the device is off once you start it for the 1st time. If you have SMS text messaging, your IM's will come through SMS when your device is off. If you have Verichat running, it will come through TCPCIP internet connection. This has worked great for me so far although I am still evaluating it. Problem with the other apps is that if your phone is off or you lose GPRS/internet connectivity, your IM connection is lost and this happens often. Also, when you receive a voice call, you lose your GPRS connection resulting in your IM session getting dropped. I am only really using the AOL part now so can't say how the ICQ part works.
Suggestion: Download and try it for free as I am doing. Test using another ICQ# on a desktop computer.
http://www.pdaapps.com/verichat_ppc/index.html
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Doesn't' support the local language (Hebrew), but I can handle it.
10x
You can try
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2500837&posted=1
PIGEON! mesenger

Is it possible to chat via AOL,ICQ,MSN....

only when I have established a wap/connection? I dont feel like running up my text messaging and was curious if this is possible. Also im looking for posibly an irc client.
thanks a lot!
on a side note i just bought my mda last night and have been waiting to pick one up for some time now. ive installed the Registry wiz and total commander which works really nice
cheers!
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vampiricus said:
only when I have established a wap/connection? I dont feel like running up my text messaging and was curious if this is possible.!
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Yes of course. WiFi or GPRS connections will enable you to use any instant messaging program that doesn't use text as a way to "IM."
vampiricus said:
Also im looking for posibly an irc client.
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I don't know of any good IRC client as I do not use any but this one has very good reviews on every site I see it on (And magazine reviews) http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=5713
but will i get double charged as this concerned customer wrote:
http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/681
If you use Agile Messener, or the new Windows Live Mobile, you WILL NOT be charged using text messages. the AOL program (and the protocol, in my opinion) is retarded in it's method of message delivery. The two programs I have mentioned above, send IMs using your data tariff ONLY, unless you are connected to a WiFi access point, in which case, IMs will be sent over that network, rather than the mobile one.
Hope this has re-assured you...

Upgrading: A Way to Escape AIM Charges?

I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.
hidavi said:
I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.
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You have tp PAY when you are using wifi????
when gprs isn´t connected and you are using wifi - that COULD not happen in my eyes.
BUT often when GPRS is connected AND wifi also the programs go through GPRS!!!!!! ths the problem. allways disconnect GPRS!
there is a liitle app "MoDaCo - Nodata" that prevents GPRS for connecting - if you don´t wish it to...
Trust me. I had the GPRS connection deleted from the connection manager. It could not connect thru there at all. I even called them and they said themselves, "there's a portion of the IM that travels thru T-Mobile" They wouldn't tell me for what, just that it has to. Bull**** because when I'm using hacked AIM 2.0 (they block the official AIM 2.0.), guess what? No AIM charges...
But I hate AIM 2.0. The software is ancient and therefore annoying.
How does Tmobile charge you for the AIM message? As data? As a sms?
Like the other guy, I dont understand how Tmobile would even "know" your aiming if you are doing so via WAN. Hmmmmm strange.
hidavi said:
I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.
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what you said means that Hard SPL " Sim Unclock Herald" Is that true? !!!
chris30_2001 said:
How does Tmobile charge you for the AIM message? As data? As a sms?
Like the other guy, I dont understand how Tmobile would even "know" your aiming if you are doing so via WAN. Hmmmmm strange.
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Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.
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Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.
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I swear, my OZ messenger would not work if I wasn't on Wifi.
duprade said:
Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.
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Yeah thats exactly the way I understand it. I figured b/c he was talking about going over wireless he was using IM+ or something.
hidavi, have you tried a third party program like IM+ ??
Doesn't matter, they still charge thru IM+. I know cuz for a whole month I used IM+ thru wifi and I got overaged $80 for AIM messages. I swear, if I'm not on data or wifi, my IMs won't go thru, not thru OZ not thru IM+.
This is from a product review
What I didn't know is that it is not a true online instant messenger application. Behind the scenes, it sends instant messages using SMS, and on the other person's end, repackages those SMS messages into the IM application. It seems like a novel idea, but the side effects are awful: OZ Messenger's ability to stay "connected" for chat, report the online/offline status of others, and report YOUR status as online/offline is hit or miss. Sending and receiving messages is also very unreliable. During the three days I struggled through this, roughly half of my messages weren't sent due to a "network error", despite having 4 or 5 bars and a full EDGE connection. (Side note - I'm also worried T-Mobile will bill me for SMS usage when I used this instant messenger)
hidavi said:
Doesn't matter, they still charge thru IM+. I know cuz for a whole month I used IM+ thru wifi and I got overaged $80 for AIM messages. I swear, if I'm not on data or wifi, my IMs won't go thru, not thru OZ not thru IM+.
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Wow doode.....that sucks....
Well, I'm not getting charged nowadays since I'm using hacked AIM 2.0, but I really wish this program had a Today plugin and a easier to use interface...
From what I found in the guts of the registry, OzIM uses a T-Mobile server as a portal for the IM system. Since every IM you send filters through their server, they have full control to see where and what you are sending, saying, seeing, etc, even if you are on a WiFi connection.
I've seen several recommendations for alternate IM systems that Don't Suck. Slick was recommended by somebody, but I haven't personally tried it yet.

Windows Live Messenger network not available/try again

Hello all.The Windows Live messenger is not staying connected. This seems like an issue that has been around for years. I had it when I had an HTC Wizard ages ago. It seems to be happening alot on both of my HD2 phones. Also, messages are not consistently transmitting. I get the "try again" error.
Questions:
1.) I have even updated Live messenger from the Market and same problem. Is there a fix/better free IM app? I need Live & AIM.
2.) The OZ multi-protocol IM app is preloaded on the T-Mobile US HD2. Does this app use text? I have a feeling it does. The problem is that I do not have unlimited text because I kept our G1 data plans.
Thank You all in advance. )
kevev said:
Hello all.The Windows Live messenger is not staying connected. This seems like an issue that has been around for years. I had it when I had an HTC Wizard ages ago. It seems to be happening alot on both of my HD2 phones. Also, messages are not consistently transmitting. I get the "try again" error.
Questions:
1.) I have even updated Live messenger from the Market and same problem. Is there a fix/better free IM app? I need Live & AIM.
2.) The OZ multi-protocol IM app is preloaded on the T-Mobile US HD2. Does this app use text? I have a feeling it does. The problem is that I do not have unlimited text because I kept our G1 data plans.
Thank You all in advance. )
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2) nope, it uses data.
kenkiller said:
2) nope, it uses data.
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Hi kenkiller. Are you responding to the OZ multi-protocol messenger question?
kevev said:
Hi kenkiller. Are you responding to the OZ multi-protocol messenger question?
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Yes...........
kevev said:
Hello all.The Windows Live messenger is not staying connected. This seems like an issue that has been around for years. I had it when I had an HTC Wizard ages ago. It seems to be happening alot on both of my HD2 phones. Also, messages are not consistently transmitting. I get the "try again" error.
Questions:
1.) I have even updated Live messenger from the Market and same problem. Is there a fix/better free IM app? I need Live & AIM.
2.) The OZ multi-protocol IM app is preloaded on the T-Mobile US HD2. Does this app use text? I have a feeling it does. The problem is that I do not have unlimited text because I kept our G1 data plans.
Thank You all in advance. )
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To tell you the true... on WM6 I didnt have the error than often... but back 6 or 7 months ago no so sure the exact time WLM start giving me the error(try again) on almost every message than I tried to send... I been looking for a fix but nothing... Im glad you start this thread so someone could help us... In the maintime Im using Beejive is free and nice... thanks
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=641613
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Yes...........
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OK. After testing this on T-Mobile US, I can see that it is using my text pool. I also called customer care and they verified this. I will stick with data only apps.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=641613
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Thank You kilrah. I tried nimbuzz, beejive, and palringo. Nimbuz had weird code holes that caused crashing because of missing functions. Beejive is no-longer supported on WinMo and it regularly crashes. Palringo is working good so far(knock on wood). Messages seem to always arive in time. And it has the nice Push to Talk feature.
I think everything will be ok for now. Thank You all for the help!
kevev said:
OK. After testing this on T-Mobile US, I can see that it is using my text pool. I also called customer care and they verified this. I will stick with data only apps.
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Strange....I'm using that in Singapore, our networks don't allow IM via text, and it works just fine over data.
Of course, I have no idea what T-mobile does to make it different, I can only say that it works on data only for me.
kenkiller said:
Strange....I'm using that in Singapore, our networks don't allow IM via text, and it works just fine over data.
Of course, I have no idea what T-mobile does to make it different, I can only say that it works on data only for me.
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Lucky for you
After testing Palringo a bit, it looks like the first message does not always make it to the phone. Also the audio and vibrate notification is not happening on the first few messages.
I am going back to Live Messenger. I called T-Mobile and hopefully there is something wrong with the network in my area causing Live Messenger to disconnect. If that doesn't fix it I am out of ideas.
After disabling Sense UI it seems to at least vibrate on incoming messages now. This will have to do for now. I will file a bug with palringo. I am just glad the messages send and arrive and the app always reconnects after loosing signal.

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