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Thought I would start this thread to identify the best IM for WM5.0 or Wizard. We are looking for a universal IM that connects to MSN, ICQ, AOL and Yahoo.
I have Agile Messenger but it seems to disconnect all the time while in a call or just randomly. Not to reliable. My wife has the sidekick and the IM is flawless.
What do you use and recommend?
Agile Messenger
Pro:
Nice interface that allows you to see all contacts from different services
You can pull ICQ info so you can see who are ebhind those numbers
Separate tabs for each IM window
Alerts when an IM appears
Con:
Connection drops when on call
Connection drops randomly (should be a buffer for lost connections before it disconnects)
The application will randomly close
I use Agile
About the cons:
Connection drops when on call (It uses GPRS/EDGE, which is the same part of the phone that makes/takes calls. The only other way is to use text messages, and that is costly)
Connection drops randomly (should be a buffer for lost connections before it disconnects) (I've never had that happen to me)
The application will randomly close (I've never had that happen to me)
Does anybody use the AIM that comes setup on the MDA? If not, why not? I don't use anything other than AIM, and the one that came with the phone seems to work fine (although I've only had it for a day now).
From what I've heard, the OZ messenger app which comes installed on tmobile mda uses sms to chat. this means you pay for each sms message unless you have unlimitted sms plan. also, i've found it to be painfully slow.
I think agile is great, especially the WM5 alpha build. agile must disconnect during a call because GPRS/EDGE and voice cannot be used at the same time. I also had random disonnects before I updated to the qtek AKU2 rom. Now that i have updated, agile works flawlessly.
the oz communicator does not use sms. i dont know why people start these nasty rumors. the problem i have with oz is that it constantly occupies the notification slot telling you that you ar available. the led will always blink orange when it is on. and i actually caught it disconnected with the available icon still in the notification tray.
if they fixed the notification to only when you get a new message then i would probably use it.
my agile closes its self too.
eguess said:
the oz communicator does not use sms. i dont know why people start these nasty rumors. the problem i have with oz is that it constantly occupies the notification slot telling you that you ar available. the led will always blink orange when it is on. and i actually caught it disconnected with the available icon still in the notification tray.
if they fixed the notification to only when you get a new message then i would probably use it.
my agile closes its self too.
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OZ absolutely does use SMS. I have performed tests on this where the ONLY use that could have been made of the SMS was the OZ client, and the counter got hit for EVERY message.
That's not a "nasty rumor" - its a FACT.
I totally agree that OZ uses SMS. I don't have unlimited SMS, so I never use it. After testing OZ, I suddenly had 45 text messages on my bill. Coincidence? NO! Like I said, I never use SMS, so it certainly was OZ that was using SMS to transmit those IMs back and forth.
Yung said:
I totally agree that OZ uses SMS. I don't have unlimited SMS, so I never use it. After testing OZ, I suddenly had 45 text messages on my bill. Coincidence? NO! Like I said, I never use SMS, so it certainly was OZ that was using SMS to transmit those IMs back and forth.
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I agree, we don't use unlimited SMS either, OZ is definitely SMS-based.
The SMS charges even say "IM" or "AIM" (can't remember which now)
hi, im new to the ppc phones. im using a wizard/o2 xda mini s... and i have a problem.. i can connect to the internet but all my messaging programs cant.. i tried agile, im+ and verichat.. all say cannot connect with current settings.. what should the gprs settings be for tmobile us/ny
help please? thanks in advance
IM Plus by www.shapeshifter.de is the best. Does all the IM transports incl Google.
gavinfabl said:
IM Plus by www.shapeshifter.de is the best. Does all the IM transports incl Google.
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except the website doesn't load and Handango wants $40 for it.
voodoomurphy said:
gavinfabl said:
IM Plus by www.shapeshifter.de is the best. Does all the IM transports incl Google.
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except the website doesn't load and Handango wants $40 for it.
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lol
sorry, thinking of game by astraware. Try www.shapeservices.com
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gavinfabl said:
IM Plus by www.shapeshifter.de is the best. Does all the IM transports incl Google.
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except the website doesn't load and Handango wants $40 for it.
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lol
the website is www.shapeservices.com and somehow I don't like IM+ very much. I like agile better.
new IM software half price
http://www.webmessenger.com/wm5.htm
just seen this. just for wm5 as well.
http://www.webmessenger.com/wm5.htm
just seen this. just for wm5 as well.
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Hmm. Not free though...
I have been using the T-Mobile USA messenger software. It works, but the incoming messages are very slow. Outgoing ones are fast but the incoming take about 5 mins or so. Where can I download the OZ software?
I went to dl agile and the site says WM5 version coming soon. what version are you guys using?
the WM5 version of agile is due in the next 1-2 weeks...
there's a link to an alpha version of the WM5 agile in another xda-dev thread...
I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.
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I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.
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You have tp PAY when you are using wifi????
when gprs isn´t connected and you are using wifi - that COULD not happen in my eyes.
BUT often when GPRS is connected AND wifi also the programs go through GPRS!!!!!! ths the problem. allways disconnect GPRS!
there is a liitle app "MoDaCo - Nodata" that prevents GPRS for connecting - if you don´t wish it to...
Trust me. I had the GPRS connection deleted from the connection manager. It could not connect thru there at all. I even called them and they said themselves, "there's a portion of the IM that travels thru T-Mobile" They wouldn't tell me for what, just that it has to. Bull**** because when I'm using hacked AIM 2.0 (they block the official AIM 2.0.), guess what? No AIM charges...
But I hate AIM 2.0. The software is ancient and therefore annoying.
How does Tmobile charge you for the AIM message? As data? As a sms?
Like the other guy, I dont understand how Tmobile would even "know" your aiming if you are doing so via WAN. Hmmmmm strange.
hidavi said:
I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.
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what you said means that Hard SPL " Sim Unclock Herald" Is that true? !!!
chris30_2001 said:
How does Tmobile charge you for the AIM message? As data? As a sms?
Like the other guy, I dont understand how Tmobile would even "know" your aiming if you are doing so via WAN. Hmmmmm strange.
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Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.
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Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.
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I swear, my OZ messenger would not work if I wasn't on Wifi.
duprade said:
Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.
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Yeah thats exactly the way I understand it. I figured b/c he was talking about going over wireless he was using IM+ or something.
hidavi, have you tried a third party program like IM+ ??
Doesn't matter, they still charge thru IM+. I know cuz for a whole month I used IM+ thru wifi and I got overaged $80 for AIM messages. I swear, if I'm not on data or wifi, my IMs won't go thru, not thru OZ not thru IM+.
This is from a product review
What I didn't know is that it is not a true online instant messenger application. Behind the scenes, it sends instant messages using SMS, and on the other person's end, repackages those SMS messages into the IM application. It seems like a novel idea, but the side effects are awful: OZ Messenger's ability to stay "connected" for chat, report the online/offline status of others, and report YOUR status as online/offline is hit or miss. Sending and receiving messages is also very unreliable. During the three days I struggled through this, roughly half of my messages weren't sent due to a "network error", despite having 4 or 5 bars and a full EDGE connection. (Side note - I'm also worried T-Mobile will bill me for SMS usage when I used this instant messenger)
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Doesn't matter, they still charge thru IM+. I know cuz for a whole month I used IM+ thru wifi and I got overaged $80 for AIM messages. I swear, if I'm not on data or wifi, my IMs won't go thru, not thru OZ not thru IM+.
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Wow doode.....that sucks....
Well, I'm not getting charged nowadays since I'm using hacked AIM 2.0, but I really wish this program had a Today plugin and a easier to use interface...
From what I found in the guts of the registry, OzIM uses a T-Mobile server as a portal for the IM system. Since every IM you send filters through their server, they have full control to see where and what you are sending, saying, seeing, etc, even if you are on a WiFi connection.
I've seen several recommendations for alternate IM systems that Don't Suck. Slick was recommended by somebody, but I haven't personally tried it yet.
are there any free IM's for yahoo messager that will alert you when you get an instant message?
mmmmm Instant massages.
Did you try Fring?
I am using Palringo. It's free and does some nice things, can quickly capture and send a picture (url to it), send voice files.
It also supports Google Talk, Hotmail (i think?).
goto beejive.com and try jivetalk. its a little buggy alpha but still pretty good.
the best one is Agile. it does all the messaging services, it has been around a LONG time, no bugs, very trimmed down but supports video, voice, and it's free...here's a link: http://www.agilemobile.com/
later
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mmmmm Instant massages.
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no, that's what girlfriends are for.
Agile is not free it is $40
i use IM+, but it's not free.
there's also Slick, which is free.
Big Dawg 23 said:
Agile is not free it is $40
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i believe the java version is free, but i could never get it work
i use IM+ myself
defaultdotxbe said:
i believe the java version is free, but i could never get it work
i use IM+ myself
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i must have downloaded an already regg'ed CAB file then, cause ive used mine for over 2 months.
#10, thanks for the info on Slick. I've been using it for a few days and I like it.
Best of all, for me at least, it supports custom status messages and "Idle" time on Yahoo.
Thanks again, I didn't come across it when I was searching for IM clients.
Id use slick but it has problems with away messages and does not play nice with clients such as trillian or pidgin. People dont receive your messages at all. IM+ seems to be the best solution. I tried jivetalk it crashed too much. Palringo was okay but did not support tabbed ims . My only gripe with IM+ is the screen flashes as you hit enter during typing. Almost like flickering. Slick or the others didnt do that.
But IM+ feature wise is very good, and has a today plugin for listing new received ims.
IM+ .Parlingo. Both very good programs.
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Id use slick but it has problems with away messages and does not play nice with clients such as trillian or pidgin. People dont receive your messages at all. IM+ seems to be the best solution. I tried jivetalk it crashed too much. Palringo was okay but did not support tabbed ims . My only gripe with IM+ is the screen flashes as you hit enter during typing. Almost like flickering. Slick or the others didnt do that.
But IM+ feature wise is very good, and has a today plugin for listing new received ims.
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my one gripe with IM+ is that when the person you are talking to is using the "official" AIM client it will randomly lock up when they send you a messege
i love that i can do voice chat over agile. it rocks. glad i downloaded a free version on accident, lol. works like a charm.
thepiecesfit said:
Id use slick but it has problems with away messages and does not play nice with clients such as trillian or pidgin. People dont receive your messages at all. IM+ seems to be the best solution. I tried jivetalk it crashed too much. Palringo was okay but did not support tabbed ims . My only gripe with IM+ is the screen flashes as you hit enter during typing. Almost like flickering. Slick or the others didnt do that.
But IM+ feature wise is very good, and has a today plugin for listing new received ims.
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I've been using slick 0.38. I can explain to you how to uninstall .42 and install .38(it involves a reg edit). PM me if you want, or someone reply here if there's enough interest and I'll write up a quick doc for it.
On a more serious note. I am using Fring. But memory consumption is a problem.
Does anybody out there know if there is a way for you to be offline, and shown in your buddies contact list but in away mode, and then when they send you a message maybe it pops up a message on their contact list saying that you are currently away but if they would like to page you that the program would call your phone with an sms message to jump online and log into your IM program?
Confused yet? Me too.
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On a more serious note. I am using Fring. But memory consumption is a problem.
Does anybody out there know if there is a way for you to be offline, and shown in your buddies contact list but in away mode, and then when they send you a message maybe it pops up a message on their contact list saying that you are currently away but if they would like to page you that the program would call your phone with an sms message to jump online and log into your IM program?
Confused yet? Me too.
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I have uninstalled Fring and am now using Palringo. Much happier. The memory footprint is way smaller. I like the threaded messages and the ability to send recorded voice messages and photos thru IM. I dont use Skype so Fring is just more program than I need.
Are there any apps for the HD2 where you can text over wifi?
I think your best option would be to download AIM for Windows Mobile (it's in the marketplace and it's free) or a IM client that supports AIM. Then go to aim.com to create an account, launch the AIM or IM client program, sign in, add your friend's/family's number (including area code), and talk away! Be sure to tell them who you are since the text message that they will be receive will show your screen name (unless you use your name as your screen name). Hope this helps
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I think your best option would be to download AIM for Windows Mobile (it's in the marketplace and it's free) or a IM client that supports AIM. Then go to aim.com to create an account, launch the AIM or IM client program, sign in, add your friend's/family's number (including area code), and talk away! Be sure to tell them who you are since the text message that they will be receive will show your screen name (unless you use your name as your screen name). Hope this helps
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Ive already done this, but thanks anyway!
soopahsteve said:
Ive already done this, but thanks anyway!
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So it doesn't work? Or are you just looking for an alternative option?
soopahsteve said:
Ive already done this, but thanks anyway!
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So it doesn't work? Or are you just looking for an alternative option?
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So it doesn't work? Or are you just looking for an alternative option?
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I think hes after something that will let you send a SMS over wifi for free, but it will be revieved by the other person as a normal SMS.
However, i might be wrong
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I think hes after something that will let you send a SMS over wifi for free, but it will be revieved by the other person as a normal SMS.
However, i might be wrong
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AIM let's you send SMS over wifi for free. When the other person receives the text, it will just say "Sent from AIM (Screen name)". Although one problem that comes to mind would be teh fact that the other person won't be able to send him a SMS unless he is logged in? Or it might show up later when he signs in. But it would definitely not notify him automatically that he has an incoming message unless he is logged in.
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AIM let's you send SMS over wifi for free. When the other person receives the text, it will just say "Sent from AIM (Screen name)". Although one problem that comes to mind would be teh fact that the other person won't be able to send him a SMS unless he is logged in? Or it might show up later when he signs in. But it would definitely not notify him automatically that he has an incoming message unless he is logged in.
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But I guess AIM is only available for US only and therefore this person must be looking for free services for other countries.
nicedude_abad said:
But I guess AIM is only available for US only and therefore this person must be looking for free services for other countries.
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Good point! The search continues to find an answer for my fellow HD2er.
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So it doesn't work? Or are you just looking for an alternative option?
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It does work, but I am in fact, looking for a possibly native app like text free plus for the iPhone
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I think hes after something that will let you send a SMS over wifi for free, but it will be revieved by the other person as a normal SMS.
However, i might be wrong
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Yer right.
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But I guess AIM is only available for US only and therefore this person must be looking for free services for other countries.
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No, I aim works for me out of country, but I am in the US.... Sooooooooooo.
Some email accounts support this too. I know I've received SMS from att.net and yahoo.com users and was able to reply via SMS to them. Google also supports SMS via google talk worldwide.
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Some email accounts support this too. I know I've received SMS from att.net and yahoo.com users and was able to reply via SMS to them.
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Yeah, I was just googling my question, and I came up with a website that told me to set a mail2web account and use microsoft's direct push to send SMS through wifi.
I feel your pain, I assume you want SMS via Wi-Fi due to no coverage where you are.
unfortunately its not possible in the traditional sense as SMS are transmitted via the network, not the internet. So for an SMS to be delivered (and sent) you need to be connected to your carriers network.
If the HD2 were UMA compliant we wouldn't have any issues, since its not the chances this will ever work are slim/none. Sorry
Use palringo for mobile, it's great!
(supports AIM, MSN, Google Talk, etc. etc. and looks good)
soopahsteve said:
Yeah, I was just googling my question, and I came up with a website that told me to set a mail2web account and use microsoft's direct push to send SMS through wifi.
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With my provider (T-Mobile USA), I can send SMS from the web. I have to log into My.T-Mobile.com (faq here) which I can do with my phone from any wifi access point. So it's basically accessing the internet on the phone via wifi to send a SMS. On the phone I can make a link to this page which means one click to send a SMS from the web. I can also access this same feature from any computer.
Check with your cell provider and see if they offer something similar.
Does the built in IM client in the HD2 T-mobile use data? or is it like other phones it just charges text message?
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A simple way to tell is to have it up and running on your phone and then IM yourself. If it is using text messaging it is pretty damn slow, whereas internet ones like Palringo are instant. Or dial #674#, send a few IMs, dial it again and see if it changed.
I am pretty sure the phone ships with that Oz (?) messaging client and it does in fact use text messages.
thanks, but I was wondering if logging in the IM client uses data.
bazinga said:
thanks, but I was wondering if logging in the IM client uses data.
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Yes, the stock IM client does. I just signed into mine to test, and it flipped on the data connection right away. I doubt it uses very much data at all, but yes it does use some.
EDIT: And yes Jamie, you're right, it's the OZ IM client.