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The Best Instant Messenger (IM)

Thought I would start this thread to identify the best IM for WM5.0 or Wizard. We are looking for a universal IM that connects to MSN, ICQ, AOL and Yahoo.
I have Agile Messenger but it seems to disconnect all the time while in a call or just randomly. Not to reliable. My wife has the sidekick and the IM is flawless.
What do you use and recommend?
Agile Messenger
Pro:
Nice interface that allows you to see all contacts from different services
You can pull ICQ info so you can see who are ebhind those numbers
Separate tabs for each IM window
Alerts when an IM appears
Con:
Connection drops when on call
Connection drops randomly (should be a buffer for lost connections before it disconnects)
The application will randomly close

I use Agile
About the cons:
Connection drops when on call (It uses GPRS/EDGE, which is the same part of the phone that makes/takes calls. The only other way is to use text messages, and that is costly)
Connection drops randomly (should be a buffer for lost connections before it disconnects) (I've never had that happen to me)
The application will randomly close (I've never had that happen to me)

Does anybody use the AIM that comes setup on the MDA? If not, why not? I don't use anything other than AIM, and the one that came with the phone seems to work fine (although I've only had it for a day now).

From what I've heard, the OZ messenger app which comes installed on tmobile mda uses sms to chat. this means you pay for each sms message unless you have unlimitted sms plan. also, i've found it to be painfully slow.
I think agile is great, especially the WM5 alpha build. agile must disconnect during a call because GPRS/EDGE and voice cannot be used at the same time. I also had random disonnects before I updated to the qtek AKU2 rom. Now that i have updated, agile works flawlessly.

the oz communicator does not use sms. i dont know why people start these nasty rumors. the problem i have with oz is that it constantly occupies the notification slot telling you that you ar available. the led will always blink orange when it is on. and i actually caught it disconnected with the available icon still in the notification tray.
if they fixed the notification to only when you get a new message then i would probably use it.
my agile closes its self too.

eguess said:
the oz communicator does not use sms. i dont know why people start these nasty rumors. the problem i have with oz is that it constantly occupies the notification slot telling you that you ar available. the led will always blink orange when it is on. and i actually caught it disconnected with the available icon still in the notification tray.
if they fixed the notification to only when you get a new message then i would probably use it.
my agile closes its self too.
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OZ absolutely does use SMS. I have performed tests on this where the ONLY use that could have been made of the SMS was the OZ client, and the counter got hit for EVERY message.
That's not a "nasty rumor" - its a FACT.

I totally agree that OZ uses SMS. I don't have unlimited SMS, so I never use it. After testing OZ, I suddenly had 45 text messages on my bill. Coincidence? NO! Like I said, I never use SMS, so it certainly was OZ that was using SMS to transmit those IMs back and forth.

Yung said:
I totally agree that OZ uses SMS. I don't have unlimited SMS, so I never use it. After testing OZ, I suddenly had 45 text messages on my bill. Coincidence? NO! Like I said, I never use SMS, so it certainly was OZ that was using SMS to transmit those IMs back and forth.
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I agree, we don't use unlimited SMS either, OZ is definitely SMS-based.
The SMS charges even say "IM" or "AIM" (can't remember which now)

hi, im new to the ppc phones. im using a wizard/o2 xda mini s... and i have a problem.. i can connect to the internet but all my messaging programs cant.. i tried agile, im+ and verichat.. all say cannot connect with current settings.. what should the gprs settings be for tmobile us/ny
help please? thanks in advance

IM Plus by www.shapeshifter.de is the best. Does all the IM transports incl Google.

gavinfabl said:
IM Plus by www.shapeshifter.de is the best. Does all the IM transports incl Google.
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except the website doesn't load and Handango wants $40 for it.

voodoomurphy said:
gavinfabl said:
IM Plus by www.shapeshifter.de is the best. Does all the IM transports incl Google.
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except the website doesn't load and Handango wants $40 for it.
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lol

sorry, thinking of game by astraware. Try www.shapeservices.com

voodoomurphy said:
gavinfabl said:
IM Plus by www.shapeshifter.de is the best. Does all the IM transports incl Google.
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except the website doesn't load and Handango wants $40 for it.
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lol
the website is www.shapeservices.com and somehow I don't like IM+ very much. I like agile better.

new IM software half price
http://www.webmessenger.com/wm5.htm
just seen this. just for wm5 as well.

http://www.webmessenger.com/wm5.htm
just seen this. just for wm5 as well.
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Hmm. Not free though...

I have been using the T-Mobile USA messenger software. It works, but the incoming messages are very slow. Outgoing ones are fast but the incoming take about 5 mins or so. Where can I download the OZ software?

I went to dl agile and the site says WM5 version coming soon. what version are you guys using?

the WM5 version of agile is due in the next 1-2 weeks...

there's a link to an alpha version of the WM5 agile in another xda-dev thread...

Is it possible to chat via AOL,ICQ,MSN....

only when I have established a wap/connection? I dont feel like running up my text messaging and was curious if this is possible. Also im looking for posibly an irc client.
thanks a lot!
on a side note i just bought my mda last night and have been waiting to pick one up for some time now. ive installed the Registry wiz and total commander which works really nice
cheers!

22 views and nothin?

vampiricus said:
only when I have established a wap/connection? I dont feel like running up my text messaging and was curious if this is possible.!
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Yes of course. WiFi or GPRS connections will enable you to use any instant messaging program that doesn't use text as a way to "IM."
vampiricus said:
Also im looking for posibly an irc client.
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I don't know of any good IRC client as I do not use any but this one has very good reviews on every site I see it on (And magazine reviews) http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=5713

but will i get double charged as this concerned customer wrote:
http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/681

If you use Agile Messener, or the new Windows Live Mobile, you WILL NOT be charged using text messages. the AOL program (and the protocol, in my opinion) is retarded in it's method of message delivery. The two programs I have mentioned above, send IMs using your data tariff ONLY, unless you are connected to a WiFi access point, in which case, IMs will be sent over that network, rather than the mobile one.
Hope this has re-assured you...

Upgrading: A Way to Escape AIM Charges?

I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.

hidavi said:
I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.
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You have tp PAY when you are using wifi????
when gprs isn´t connected and you are using wifi - that COULD not happen in my eyes.
BUT often when GPRS is connected AND wifi also the programs go through GPRS!!!!!! ths the problem. allways disconnect GPRS!
there is a liitle app "MoDaCo - Nodata" that prevents GPRS for connecting - if you don´t wish it to...

Trust me. I had the GPRS connection deleted from the connection manager. It could not connect thru there at all. I even called them and they said themselves, "there's a portion of the IM that travels thru T-Mobile" They wouldn't tell me for what, just that it has to. Bull**** because when I'm using hacked AIM 2.0 (they block the official AIM 2.0.), guess what? No AIM charges...
But I hate AIM 2.0. The software is ancient and therefore annoying.

How does Tmobile charge you for the AIM message? As data? As a sms?
Like the other guy, I dont understand how Tmobile would even "know" your aiming if you are doing so via WAN. Hmmmmm strange.

hidavi said:
I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.
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what you said means that Hard SPL " Sim Unclock Herald" Is that true? !!!

chris30_2001 said:
How does Tmobile charge you for the AIM message? As data? As a sms?
Like the other guy, I dont understand how Tmobile would even "know" your aiming if you are doing so via WAN. Hmmmmm strange.
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Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.

duprade said:
Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.
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I swear, my OZ messenger would not work if I wasn't on Wifi.

duprade said:
Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.
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Yeah thats exactly the way I understand it. I figured b/c he was talking about going over wireless he was using IM+ or something.
hidavi, have you tried a third party program like IM+ ??

Doesn't matter, they still charge thru IM+. I know cuz for a whole month I used IM+ thru wifi and I got overaged $80 for AIM messages. I swear, if I'm not on data or wifi, my IMs won't go thru, not thru OZ not thru IM+.

This is from a product review
What I didn't know is that it is not a true online instant messenger application. Behind the scenes, it sends instant messages using SMS, and on the other person's end, repackages those SMS messages into the IM application. It seems like a novel idea, but the side effects are awful: OZ Messenger's ability to stay "connected" for chat, report the online/offline status of others, and report YOUR status as online/offline is hit or miss. Sending and receiving messages is also very unreliable. During the three days I struggled through this, roughly half of my messages weren't sent due to a "network error", despite having 4 or 5 bars and a full EDGE connection. (Side note - I'm also worried T-Mobile will bill me for SMS usage when I used this instant messenger)

hidavi said:
Doesn't matter, they still charge thru IM+. I know cuz for a whole month I used IM+ thru wifi and I got overaged $80 for AIM messages. I swear, if I'm not on data or wifi, my IMs won't go thru, not thru OZ not thru IM+.
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Wow doode.....that sucks....

Well, I'm not getting charged nowadays since I'm using hacked AIM 2.0, but I really wish this program had a Today plugin and a easier to use interface...

From what I found in the guts of the registry, OzIM uses a T-Mobile server as a portal for the IM system. Since every IM you send filters through their server, they have full control to see where and what you are sending, saying, seeing, etc, even if you are on a WiFi connection.
I've seen several recommendations for alternate IM systems that Don't Suck. Slick was recommended by somebody, but I haven't personally tried it yet.

Picture Messaging On The Touch

im sure that there might be a thread for this already ..... but ive been lazy and i havent asked sprint about it ... but is the touch capable of mobile to mobile picture messaging .. everytime i wanna send a pic the selctions i get are only able to send to email... i cant select to send to a contact... is it jus cuz i cant figure it out or is the touch incapable of mobile to mobile pix messaging

mms is not yet available on sprint. in the future, you can use the search button located on the top right of this page.

there is, but since you're lazy about it maybe you should try kngtut79's advice and try searching.

you can use dashwire. I am on Bell CDMA in Canada and it allows you to send a sms to your contacts as a link to the picture which is the closest I have come to so far. Hope that helps www.dashwire.com

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=22509
works great

Verizon
dave032766 said:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=22509
works great
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Does anyone know if there is a program like this for Verizon?
Erik

erikcave said:
Does anyone know if there is a program like this for Verizon?
Erik
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Yeah, it's called MMS, it's stock!

Not without data
TheChampJT said:
Yeah, it's called MMS, it's stock!
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Verizon MMS requires data usage to send or recieve pictures and video. I am specifically looking for a program to send and recieve MMS messages without using data. The program linked above, called sMMS, does it without using data.

erikcave said:
Verizon MMS requires data usage to send or recieve pictures and video. I am specifically looking for a program to send and recieve MMS messages without using data. The program linked above, called sMMS, does it without using data.
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This will not work for you then, it still uses data, and you need the Sprint Picture Messaging, which is of course not available for VZW users.
Verizon charges you for a MMS like it's a SMS. If not it's $0.20/msg, the package for, I believe, 250 SMS is $5/mo.

TheChampJT said:
This will not work for you then, it still uses data, and you need the Sprint Picture Messaging, which is of course not available for VZW users.
Verizon charges you for a MMS like it's a SMS. If not it's $0.20/msg, the package for, I believe, 250 SMS is $5/mo.
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I have unlimited texting, but was told that smartphones on Verizon don't use MMS, instead they use data somehow.

erikcave said:
I have unlimited texting, but was told that smartphones on Verizon don't use MMS, instead they use data somehow.
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You are referring to the xv6900 right.....

Sprint Windows Mobile Users. Picture Mail Officially Available. Just Remember To Add Picture Mail To Your Plan.
http://softwarestore.sprint.com/wap/picturemail.php
EDIT: WORKS BETTER IF YOU JUST GO THROUGH THE LINK ON YOUR MOBILE PHONE FOR DETECTING REASONS. OTHERWISE JUST FIND YOUR PHONE, GO TO FREE/TRIAL>PICTURE MAIL

I`ve been trying for a couple weeks now to get MMS working on my Touch. I got a thread going but no luck in fixing it. I came across this today though http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=35616. I called Alltel after I changed the setting, but the MMS network happened to be down at the time, so I don`t know if the setting work since nobody could send any at the time. The representative talked to the advance service tech and googled it as well, but neither could figure it out. I`m gonna call back tonight ( they said the network should be up by then) on a different phone to see if they can diagnose it. It kinda sounds like a problem with flashing roms. I know it worked for me before I started flashing, but it also happens even when you flash to an official alltel rom with a locked phone as in the case with my brother`s touch. When I upgraded his radio his stopped working. Perhaps its a network problem, hell I read that Sprint took it away from there users.

Google talk

I tried searching this forum without having to create another thread but I was unsuccessful.
I have a new Tilt 2 on AT&T(previously a blackberry user) and I was trying to get google talk on here?
Can someone assist on how to get this app on here...if it is possible?
Thanks,

While neither of these apps are just Google Talk, they both work well with it. I have been using Slick for several months without any problems, and recently started using OZ IM. Both work great with gtalk.
Lonely Cat games Slick - http://www.lonelycatgames.com/?app=slick
OZ IM (as extracted from HD2, also known as TMOUS Messenger) - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5753551&postcount=2

You can set up a number of different IM clients to use Google Talk since it uses a standard protocol.

mstevens said:
You can set up a number of different IM clients to use Google Talk since it uses a standard protocol.
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But can you use the dialer, or use it to send sms ?

adoute said:
While neither of these apps are just Google Talk, they both work well with it. I have been using Slick for several months without any problems, and recently started using OZ IM. Both work great with gtalk.
Lonely Cat games Slick - http://www.lonelycatgames.com/?app=slick
OZ IM (as extracted from HD2, also known as TMOUS Messenger) - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5753551&postcount=2
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Hi How u can get OZ IM to work on TP2? i always get error when signing in >.<

try talkonaut to make calls over googletalk .
is working here from my tp2 to my girlfriends e71 without any problems.

I've been using Paringo and it works great for me...
www.palringo.com
New message alert in notification bar, multiple IM accounts etc. Doesn't have video or audio calling but you can record messages and send

Henz77 said:
Hi How u can get OZ IM to work on TP2? i always get error when signing in >.<
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I have never had a problem - I just install the cab, and sign in to Google Talk using my gmail id and password.
I usually end up flashing a new ROM every few days, and have never had a problem installing & signing in.
What is the specific error you get?

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But can you use the dialer, or use it to send sms ?
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that would be google voice.
You can use a couple different google voice dialers to pull your contact info from google voice, and you can send and reply to SMS messages through outlook. That's what I do

ibleedwhite said:
I tried searching this forum without having to create another thread but I was unsuccessful.
I have a new Tilt 2 on AT&T(previously a blackberry user) and I was trying to get google talk on here?
Can someone assist on how to get this app on here...if it is possible?
Thanks,
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To clairfy....are you thinking about google talk (IM, chat), or google voice (visual voicemail, call forwarding, etc)?

thank you all for your assistance and recommending some good programs
i was initially talking about google talk.gchat..

rohan.binny.arora said:
I've been using Paringo and it works great for me...
www.palringo.com
New message alert in notification bar, multiple IM accounts etc. Doesn't have video or audio calling but you can record messages and send
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I agree, I use this and connect to GTalk, MSN and Facebook Chat, all simultaneously. It hasn't let me down yet

http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2007/07/octrotalk-windows-mobile-version-of.html
This is as close to an actuale Google Talk application that I could find

Henz77 said:
Hi How u can get OZ IM to work on TP2? i always get error when signing in >.<
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go to -> options & enter you phone number ; now try to sign in - that should do the trick. Doesn't matter where you are or who you carrier is. Also it is data based & you wont be charged for text.

ywnmmsb said:
go to -> options & enter you phone number ; now try to sign in - that should do the trick. Doesn't matter where you are or who you carrier is. Also it is data based & you wont be charged for text.
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well i know about dat part n alreazdy tried it, but there is error 403 stated on screen every time i want to log in in each account. i try to re-install n also tried to re flash the rom ( official sea rom ) but i didnt help T.T
well i like the interface of OZIM though, still trying to get it worked but i dunno how ..<