Whats the diff between csd and gprs. Right now I created a new connection by doing start; settings; connections; connections; modify (internet settings). Under "My connection" I have it set for "cellular line (GPRS)". Under baud rate it is 19200 (why so slow?). Clicking next I have "wap.voicestream.com". This works but is really slow. Is this the correct way to use GPRS or is this CSD? If not, what is CSD? Is it better. Sorry for so many questions but I really dont know much about this. I have t-mobile in the US (southern california).
CSD (Circuit-Switched Data)
CSD is similar to your PC dialing up to a ISP / corperate modem pool for a data connection. For XDA or a cell phone in general, it consumes your air time. (If you make the CSD call during nights & weekends with T-Mobile, air time is free.) You get a 7Kbps avg narrow pipe - pulling an Internet page is very slow, but you can turn off the graphics on XDA to speed it up. GPRS is designed for data, giving you 40Kbps avg pipe, comparable to your PC dial-up speed but you have to pay T-Mobile $20/mo for unlimited data service. See thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4723
for setup. Hope this helps.
What are you guys using to connect to the internet? I can do everything I want with T-zones unlimited, using the proxy... however, if I use the proxy, I can't connect to wi-fi because it wants to try to connect thru the proxy. What services are you using and what are your settings?
Thanks,
Danny
i will use
I wont get my MDA till monday according to UPS, but when i get it i plan on getting the Total Internet plan for 29.99. it includes GPRS, EDGE and Hot Spots. That is the plan the tmobile is advertizing with this phone.
I have the T-Mobile total internet package. I am not using the proxy server, and it connects to Hotspot just great.
However, I have not tried to access T-Zones. Well, I tried once, and got a network solutions 'page coming soon' thing. I doubt I have it correct. lol
hot spot
how does the hot spot autentication work?
im assuming they made it so i wouldnt be able to just put in my username and password on my laptop and log it into a hotspot.
I have unlimited internet 19$ plan.
I don't use any proxy server.
I don't think you can use the regular t-zone on this phone ($9 plan).
Otherwise all good, just use: internet2.voicestream.com in the gprs setup and the rest emty.
my 5.99 tmobileweb with proxy works very well with any website using internet explorer mobile. it doesn't work, however, with outlook or any other mail client or application that doesn't know how to use proxy. i'm glad that virtual earth 1.5 works well even with my tmobileweb plan.
as for the problem that the original poster described, in the connection settings, i created a connection especially for wifi. and to switch between wifi and tmobileweb, i go to 'select networks' and choose which ever connection i want in the two drop-down lists that i have.
Proxy Setup
msafi,
What are the settings for setting up the proxy? I used the proxy with my Nokia 6600 just fine, but, cannot get it to work on the MDA Wizard.
Thanks, SK
I have tried to get the answer to this question on another forum, to no avail, so I am trying here as well.
Anyone have an answer as to why using an isp connection should/would be better than using a wap connection. I have a Cingular 8525 with the unlimited PDA connect plan, so I can use either, without fear of cost differential. They both seem to work fine, but I can't really determine a difference between the two. They both access the same websites, I can view streaming video with both, and the speed of each seems comporable (if anything, the WAP connection seems a bit faster).
The WAP connection with cingular does use proxy servers, so I need to be sure to not use this when going over wifi, but for using the 3G network does it really make a difference?
Well, interesting question. Wap in most cases of PDA/Phone use, is an ISP connection, but via an alternative route. In a sense then one is not better than the other. Of course to anyone that does not have a nice unlimited ISP data plan then WAP is much preferrable/cheaper. With a good quality WAP connection the data transfer speed is, as you've found may be very good.
Test out each route using the following site:
http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1
Mike
You should refer to Sleuth's TyTN notes. There is a long discussion about this particular topic.
In short, with Cingular, if you use wap.cingular you'll constantly have your ip address updated, which can cause session timeout errors on Exchange ActiveSync DirectPush (in effect, this causes a behavior very similar to "polling every x minutes" for mail -- or "pulling").
This is not the case with isp.cingular, which will give you a public ip address for the session. isp.cingular does not need the proxy server, which also makes it much more friendly with WiFi.
Alas, isp.cingular is only available with the more expensive PDAConnect plan, which does not include any SMS nor access to Cingular Video.
Whether or not it's worth it is up to you...
From what I read, wap.cingular does not give you a public IP address - it goes through NAT/PAT. And, as goestoeleven mentioned, Cingular Video can only be accessed through wap - rather, through the proxy. Same goes for other Cingular MEdia Net websites.
Each connection has its place as each will allow access to certain things. Differences as far as I know them:
1. Can not access MEdiaNet sites without WAP connection with Proxy. This includes Cingular Video, however I used to be able to access CV without the Proxy. Not sure what changed on Cingular's end.
2. Some sites will detect that you are on a WAP connection and present the site differently. Some sites will use just the browser ID string. Some sites will use both. So sometimes it's hit or miss regarding which content of a site you'll get. Therefore, it's nice to have the different connections defined so that you can switch between them.
3. ISP gives you a public (albeit dynamic) IP address. WAP is translated. See next item...
4. VPN. My company's VPN will not work properly without a router allowing VPN pass-through or a public IP address. So when I have to get to our VPN, I have to use the ISP connection.
That's about it as far as I know. All of my knowledge comes from real practical use. I try not to repeat hearsay.
so if you have the unlim. pda plan from cingular to get the rebate.. then after you get the rebate you switch to the unlimited medinet for 20 bucks will cingular pick up on the fact that you are not using isp.cingular and using there wap.cingular instead and charge you for some sorta of data...
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so if you have the unlim. pda plan from cingular to get the rebate.. then after you get the rebate you switch to the unlimited medinet for 20 bucks will cingular pick up on the fact that you are not using isp.cingular and using there wap.cingular instead and charge you for some sorta of data...
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if your on medianet, then you should be using wap.cingular, if your on the PDA connect, then you should be using isp.cingular
If you have the medianet package and you use isp.cingular then you will be charged per kb.
now for my question which is the third time i'm asking it because i'm not getting an answer anywher... I have the mediamax unlimitted bundle and i was having trouble streaming videos, so i disabled the proxy and am still going through wap.cingular my question is am i going to be billed per kb because i don't have the proxy enabled?
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if your on medianet, then you should be using wap.cingular, if your on the PDA connect, then you should be using isp.cingular
If you have the medianet package and you use isp.cingular then you will be charged per kb.
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I still don't get *why* I should use isp.cingular if I am on PDA Connect ... I know I can (and I have tried it out, and it seems to work fine), but wap.cingular seems to work fine too, and maybe load sites a bit faster, too. Billingwise (given that I am already on PDA Connect), it is not going to make a difference to me, so why switch from wap.cingular (which is how the phone came when I bought it) to isp.cingular? Will I see any benefits or difference?
fone_fanatic said:
if your on medianet, then you should be using wap.cingular, if your on the PDA connect, then you should be using isp.cingular
If you have the medianet package and you use isp.cingular then you will be charged per kb.
now for my question which is the third time i'm asking it because i'm not getting an answer anywher... I have the mediamax unlimitted bundle and i was having trouble streaming videos, so i disabled the proxy and am still going through wap.cingular my question is am i going to be billed per kb because i don't have the proxy enabled?
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why would i get charged per kb when its unlimited medianet threw wap.cingular with the unlimited medianet?
is what you are saying is that if i switch to the unlimited medianet then i can only use wap.cingular and i should disable isp.cingular or i will get charged per kb when using isp.cingular?
You should not get charged per KB if you bypass the proxy AS LONG AS YOU STAY ON wap.cingular. isp.cingular gives you a public IP, which is a commodity they make you pay extra for, that's why they would charge per KB on the MEdia packages.
Note that I used the word "should" - I don't know for a fact that you won't be charged, but you *should* not be.
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why would i get charged per kb when its unlimited medianet threw wap.cingular with the unlimited medianet?
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medianet through wap.cingular doesn't charge you per kb.
honestabe said:
is what you are saying is that if i switch to the unlimited medianet then i can only use wap.cingular and i should disable isp.cingular or i will get charged per kb when using isp.cingular?
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Yes, thats it.
I may finally have found a distinction between using isp.cingular and wap.cingular. When I use Yahoo mobile mail (beta version) with isp.cingular I get greater functionality (check boxes to easily manage multiple email messages) than when I access the same site using wap.cingular.
Finally, I seem to have proven (at least to myself) that there really is a distinction between using the two settings ... and that isp.cingular can, in fact, provide some beneficial results.
I was having some issues with streaming videos and radios on my HTC Hermes on cingulat network. I was getting proxy errors and server unreachable so I disabled the proxy in my medianet settings.
I was wondering if cingular is going to charge me per kb now since I'm not going through their proxy.... I have the MediaMax unlimited plan.
sorry I didn't do a search but I'm in class and this proffessor is boring the hell out of me!
I believe there is no affect on your billing if you unset the internet proxy server. The thing that can affect your billing (supposedly) is if you change the GPRS acceess point name from wap.cingular to isp.cingular. The latter is for PDA data plan subscribers only and you will be charged if you try to use it otherwise.
that is correct, i use the my isp connection on my phone which does not utilize the cingular proxy but uses the wap.cingular apn and it does still count as normal on your plan.. however if you were to change your apn to isp.cingular then you would get charged out the a$$
I used isp.cingular on my e61 and mediamax 200 and wasnt charged anything extra
Like the title says, I've got a SIM/CID-unlocked MDA running on the AT&T network. I've noticed a few problems with the internet/data ...system:
1.) No 3G. It sucks, nothing can be done about it. I'll buy a tilt when I get some cake. </whine>
2.) Whenever I take a phone call or the phone just feels like it, my data connection will be either suspended, closed, or just screwed up. My options for my data connection:
Code:
modem: Cellular Line (GPRS)
Access Point Name: wap.cingular
Username/password/domain (left blank)
Advanced: Server-assigned IP - YES, s/w compression -NO, IP header compression -NO, Use server-assigned addresses- YES
Under GPRS settings, only option is PAP versus CHAP authentication, I believe CHAP was chosen by default. I remember with my 3G i607 that I could browse the internet during a call. It drives me insane that my IM client gets kicked every time I take a call. Is this fixable?
3.) I get MMS headers, but cannot download the messages. Is there a fix for this?
4.) completely unrelated, I feel it's a bit slow and that it eats battery. Brand new battery, charges 23:00-07:00, on with AIM/texting/web/etc until I get off work at 6. by 7 my phone is complaining that the battery is low. Is this normal?
thanks!