I have tried to get the answer to this question on another forum, to no avail, so I am trying here as well.
Anyone have an answer as to why using an isp connection should/would be better than using a wap connection. I have a Cingular 8525 with the unlimited PDA connect plan, so I can use either, without fear of cost differential. They both seem to work fine, but I can't really determine a difference between the two. They both access the same websites, I can view streaming video with both, and the speed of each seems comporable (if anything, the WAP connection seems a bit faster).
The WAP connection with cingular does use proxy servers, so I need to be sure to not use this when going over wifi, but for using the 3G network does it really make a difference?
Well, interesting question. Wap in most cases of PDA/Phone use, is an ISP connection, but via an alternative route. In a sense then one is not better than the other. Of course to anyone that does not have a nice unlimited ISP data plan then WAP is much preferrable/cheaper. With a good quality WAP connection the data transfer speed is, as you've found may be very good.
Test out each route using the following site:
http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1
Mike
You should refer to Sleuth's TyTN notes. There is a long discussion about this particular topic.
In short, with Cingular, if you use wap.cingular you'll constantly have your ip address updated, which can cause session timeout errors on Exchange ActiveSync DirectPush (in effect, this causes a behavior very similar to "polling every x minutes" for mail -- or "pulling").
This is not the case with isp.cingular, which will give you a public ip address for the session. isp.cingular does not need the proxy server, which also makes it much more friendly with WiFi.
Alas, isp.cingular is only available with the more expensive PDAConnect plan, which does not include any SMS nor access to Cingular Video.
Whether or not it's worth it is up to you...
From what I read, wap.cingular does not give you a public IP address - it goes through NAT/PAT. And, as goestoeleven mentioned, Cingular Video can only be accessed through wap - rather, through the proxy. Same goes for other Cingular MEdia Net websites.
Each connection has its place as each will allow access to certain things. Differences as far as I know them:
1. Can not access MEdiaNet sites without WAP connection with Proxy. This includes Cingular Video, however I used to be able to access CV without the Proxy. Not sure what changed on Cingular's end.
2. Some sites will detect that you are on a WAP connection and present the site differently. Some sites will use just the browser ID string. Some sites will use both. So sometimes it's hit or miss regarding which content of a site you'll get. Therefore, it's nice to have the different connections defined so that you can switch between them.
3. ISP gives you a public (albeit dynamic) IP address. WAP is translated. See next item...
4. VPN. My company's VPN will not work properly without a router allowing VPN pass-through or a public IP address. So when I have to get to our VPN, I have to use the ISP connection.
That's about it as far as I know. All of my knowledge comes from real practical use. I try not to repeat hearsay.
so if you have the unlim. pda plan from cingular to get the rebate.. then after you get the rebate you switch to the unlimited medinet for 20 bucks will cingular pick up on the fact that you are not using isp.cingular and using there wap.cingular instead and charge you for some sorta of data...
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so if you have the unlim. pda plan from cingular to get the rebate.. then after you get the rebate you switch to the unlimited medinet for 20 bucks will cingular pick up on the fact that you are not using isp.cingular and using there wap.cingular instead and charge you for some sorta of data...
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if your on medianet, then you should be using wap.cingular, if your on the PDA connect, then you should be using isp.cingular
If you have the medianet package and you use isp.cingular then you will be charged per kb.
now for my question which is the third time i'm asking it because i'm not getting an answer anywher... I have the mediamax unlimitted bundle and i was having trouble streaming videos, so i disabled the proxy and am still going through wap.cingular my question is am i going to be billed per kb because i don't have the proxy enabled?
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if your on medianet, then you should be using wap.cingular, if your on the PDA connect, then you should be using isp.cingular
If you have the medianet package and you use isp.cingular then you will be charged per kb.
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I still don't get *why* I should use isp.cingular if I am on PDA Connect ... I know I can (and I have tried it out, and it seems to work fine), but wap.cingular seems to work fine too, and maybe load sites a bit faster, too. Billingwise (given that I am already on PDA Connect), it is not going to make a difference to me, so why switch from wap.cingular (which is how the phone came when I bought it) to isp.cingular? Will I see any benefits or difference?
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if your on medianet, then you should be using wap.cingular, if your on the PDA connect, then you should be using isp.cingular
If you have the medianet package and you use isp.cingular then you will be charged per kb.
now for my question which is the third time i'm asking it because i'm not getting an answer anywher... I have the mediamax unlimitted bundle and i was having trouble streaming videos, so i disabled the proxy and am still going through wap.cingular my question is am i going to be billed per kb because i don't have the proxy enabled?
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why would i get charged per kb when its unlimited medianet threw wap.cingular with the unlimited medianet?
is what you are saying is that if i switch to the unlimited medianet then i can only use wap.cingular and i should disable isp.cingular or i will get charged per kb when using isp.cingular?
You should not get charged per KB if you bypass the proxy AS LONG AS YOU STAY ON wap.cingular. isp.cingular gives you a public IP, which is a commodity they make you pay extra for, that's why they would charge per KB on the MEdia packages.
Note that I used the word "should" - I don't know for a fact that you won't be charged, but you *should* not be.
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why would i get charged per kb when its unlimited medianet threw wap.cingular with the unlimited medianet?
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medianet through wap.cingular doesn't charge you per kb.
honestabe said:
is what you are saying is that if i switch to the unlimited medianet then i can only use wap.cingular and i should disable isp.cingular or i will get charged per kb when using isp.cingular?
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Yes, thats it.
I may finally have found a distinction between using isp.cingular and wap.cingular. When I use Yahoo mobile mail (beta version) with isp.cingular I get greater functionality (check boxes to easily manage multiple email messages) than when I access the same site using wap.cingular.
Finally, I seem to have proven (at least to myself) that there really is a distinction between using the two settings ... and that isp.cingular can, in fact, provide some beneficial results.
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Hi,
Im new to the site and the phone, just got an upgrade on it.
Im on the old Genie contracts so O2 wont allow me to use GPRS, does anyone know if theres a way round this? Also they told me I cant use wap on this phone, is this true?
Thank you
back in the day many cellphone operators offered wap over gsm
but i think that the operator have to support it just like with wap over grps
do people really use wap with their xda's btw ?
i never use it it's ugly and a horrible std. and when ones device can do normal html then why bother with wap ?
Obviously Id rather use GPRS but the phone just doesnt give me access to it (O2 have told me they have de-activated from there side, only way to get it is to change my contract which i dont want to do), so I have no alternative but to use WAP unless there is a way round the problem.
today wap use grps if they deactivated grps then i doubt you can find any way around that
however as i said then wap can also be made to use pure gsm and not use grps
but if the network operator dont support wap over gsm then there is no way around that
so you can look for wap settings for o2 without grps that is if they support that and try those settings
I was on the old Genie contract and you can't use GPRS or MMS (Which uses GPRS) without changing your contract.
You still however have the GSM connection using the telephone number : 915000 and the user and password being o2wap, this is a "Cellular Line" and will only be 9600bps but that is free on the old genie contract and will work for web and wap and email and msn.. its basically a slow net connection that routes through their servers (which seem to sometims compress images horrifically).
I've changed my contract as i wanted MMS and GPRS. If on the o2 Active screen you choose myxda and then connections you can choose GSM, but this sets up two connections one which is a wap number and one that is very slightly different that is a web number, neither of which are 915000 (probably due to when you're roaming) and the web number maybe chargable if they're picky.
If you setup what the XDA calls an ISP connectiong with the wap 915000 it works fine. However the ISP connection seems to be for Web connections and if you try to goto wsp:// in IE it says there's no connection present as i think its set to dial the work connection for wap usage. I've only had my phone for about a month and haven't really had a chance to get any furthur with this.
Good luck.
Hope that all helped.
Tristan
I have an O2 payg sim, I can connect to wap over gprs but I dont like wap, I use the gsm line to get full internet access for my 300 minutes free. It is very easy to setup and although it runs at only 9600 I am able to retrieve/send pop3 email and access all web sites. I delete all the autoconfig settings from connections before entering the gsm details.
I also have the old genie setup, and can both access wap and www etc using the original 915000 dial up free wap no. I am presuming you have the free message and free wap tarrif! If so I can give you the details if you pm me.
However you cant send or recieve mms messages still, you need to do this via the o2 site, when it bloomin works
Mitch
Thank you everyone for your help, this seems like a great community here
mitchellgunn, thats the same one I got, unlimited free wap and txting, Ive sent you a PM
ccc
What are you guys using to connect to the internet? I can do everything I want with T-zones unlimited, using the proxy... however, if I use the proxy, I can't connect to wi-fi because it wants to try to connect thru the proxy. What services are you using and what are your settings?
Thanks,
Danny
i will use
I wont get my MDA till monday according to UPS, but when i get it i plan on getting the Total Internet plan for 29.99. it includes GPRS, EDGE and Hot Spots. That is the plan the tmobile is advertizing with this phone.
I have the T-Mobile total internet package. I am not using the proxy server, and it connects to Hotspot just great.
However, I have not tried to access T-Zones. Well, I tried once, and got a network solutions 'page coming soon' thing. I doubt I have it correct. lol
hot spot
how does the hot spot autentication work?
im assuming they made it so i wouldnt be able to just put in my username and password on my laptop and log it into a hotspot.
I have unlimited internet 19$ plan.
I don't use any proxy server.
I don't think you can use the regular t-zone on this phone ($9 plan).
Otherwise all good, just use: internet2.voicestream.com in the gprs setup and the rest emty.
my 5.99 tmobileweb with proxy works very well with any website using internet explorer mobile. it doesn't work, however, with outlook or any other mail client or application that doesn't know how to use proxy. i'm glad that virtual earth 1.5 works well even with my tmobileweb plan.
as for the problem that the original poster described, in the connection settings, i created a connection especially for wifi. and to switch between wifi and tmobileweb, i go to 'select networks' and choose which ever connection i want in the two drop-down lists that i have.
Proxy Setup
msafi,
What are the settings for setting up the proxy? I used the proxy with my Nokia 6600 just fine, but, cannot get it to work on the MDA Wizard.
Thanks, SK
Hi, i finally got the unlock code from Tmobile and i am now able to use my phone.
I am trying to setup the GPRS with Tmobile USA. I went onle and found some information, put it in and setup GPRS, but it does not seem to work. When i try to open a wap site with the GPRS, like wap.yahoo.com, it does not come up.
I do not pay for the GPRS, but from what i heard, with out devices, we can use it free, but not full web functionality. We can use pop, imap and stuff, and also get mms, and access wap site. Please if any one knows any configurations that work it will be greatly appreciated.
Try setting up your Proxy settings.
They changed their network requirement recently for Port 80 (HTTP). Be nice if they told everyone though!
Proxy setting should be:
216.155.165.50 on port 8080
According to the Tmobile sites I've frequented, there is no such thing as "free web" anymore and it disappeared months ago. Last time I checked personally, the cheapest you could get away with is the T-Zones data plan....whatever they call it now. I think it's 6 or 7 dollars a month and lets you use wap.voicestream.com as an access point. If you do that and use the proxy server 216.155.165.50, port 8080, you can get to most of the web. Recently, however, I've been reading that even that loophole is slowly being closed by area so while it mght work for me, it may not for you and it might not work for me tomorrow. You can certainly try it using the above access point and proxy setting, but don't be surprised if it does nothing without your paying for a data package.
Yeah, it seems they are slowly shutting down that "function" as mine works sporadically now. Damn. It was a bargain at $4.99/month for the last yr or so
yep - welcome to my world of 10 USD for 2MB a month ! :-(
A bargain indeed. I'm waiting to see if you can do the proxy workaround with your own proxy server. I've had the $20/mo package for ages and it's well worth it but my wife and son have the $5/mo package and use Tmo's http for web access and my own socks proxy for MSN Messenger. A fixed IP address is a big help but you might be able to get away with using dyndns.org for that, too. I guess we'll find out soon as more and more people find out they're starting to get what they paid for.
Well i'm sort of bummed out right now.
My t-mobile Tzones unlimited internet is working again, if I use the proxy. That's dandy. If I turn on my WI-FI and connect to my home wifi, however, I have to go into connections and turn off the proxy for my tmobile gprs in order for me to connect to the internet.
Perhaps I'm doing something horribly wrong, or is this the only way to do it? Please let me know.........
questionable
I have tried all i know, the proxy is blocking my wifi from connecting to the net, so i had to take it out. It says i am connected but i cannot seem to pull up any site, so i paid for the $5.99 t-zone deal, it says it might take a while to provision.
Now i am trying to test the connection by sending MMS, it has been a while i usually don't send MMS. How do i send MMS to a friend in london, i'm in the states, i know it is their mobile [email protected], just don't know what the something is. I know the US version is [email protected]. Thanks.
Also, my MDA PRo gives me an option of WAP1.2 or WAP 2.0, what is the diffrence?
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Hi, i finally got the unlock code from Tmobile and i am now able to use my phone.
I am trying to setup the GPRS with Tmobile USA. I went onle and found some information, put it in and setup GPRS, but it does not seem to work. When i try to open a wap site with the GPRS, like wap.yahoo.com, it does not come up.
I do not pay for the GPRS, but from what i heard, with out devices, we can use it free, but not full web functionality. We can use pop, imap and stuff, and also get mms, and access wap site. Please if any one knows any configurations that work it will be greatly appreciated.
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Walk into a tmobile store and tell them that you want to pay for a sidekick plan for a compatible euro piece of hardware.
It will cost you $30 usd but its unlimited gprs
Create a new connection and use wap.voicestream.com as the access point. You might still have to call tech support if you don't bring the universal with you because the way I understand it, they ping the simchip and grab the IMEI over the air...may be better to just bring it.
Works great for me. I pop my verizon dsl mail all day with this baby
Now SOMEONE GET ME MY PUSH MAIL!!!
Try this settings...I hope this helps.
Primary IP address: 216.155.165.050
Secondary IP address: Blank
APN name: wap.voicestream.com
Data bearer: GPRS
Profile name: GPRS
Username: Blank
Bearer: Data
Home page: http://wap.myvoicestream.com
I was having some issues with streaming videos and radios on my HTC Hermes on cingulat network. I was getting proxy errors and server unreachable so I disabled the proxy in my medianet settings.
I was wondering if cingular is going to charge me per kb now since I'm not going through their proxy.... I have the MediaMax unlimited plan.
sorry I didn't do a search but I'm in class and this proffessor is boring the hell out of me!
I believe there is no affect on your billing if you unset the internet proxy server. The thing that can affect your billing (supposedly) is if you change the GPRS acceess point name from wap.cingular to isp.cingular. The latter is for PDA data plan subscribers only and you will be charged if you try to use it otherwise.
that is correct, i use the my isp connection on my phone which does not utilize the cingular proxy but uses the wap.cingular apn and it does still count as normal on your plan.. however if you were to change your apn to isp.cingular then you would get charged out the a$$
I used isp.cingular on my e61 and mediamax 200 and wasnt charged anything extra
Hey guys,
My wifi router for my home office crapped out today, so for the first time I tried to do internet sharing on my 8525.
I could not get it to connect using the My ISP GPRS setting, but it does connect with Media Net.
However, per the AT&T site, and a post I read while trying to search this here, I think I'll get hit with add'l charges setting it up this way. Is that true?
And if so, how the heck can I connect via the recommended My ISP GPRS setting??
(By the way, I don't have a Media Net plan, I have the PDA data plan/Goodlink plan).
Please help!!! Thanks!
AT&T 8525 Internet Sharing
Here are the instructions for AT&T 8525 WM6 w/USB.
LouMessina said:
Here are the instructions for AT&T 8525 WM6 w/USB.
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That's the page I was referring to in my original note since it states: "IMPORTANT: All tethering must be done over the My ISP GPRS profile or isp.cingular APN. Tethering using the default MEdia Net profile or wap.cingular APN could result in additional data charges"
I am only able to connect internet sharing when set to Media Net, which is the way it says not to do it (but no other way works).
I just want to make sure i don't get socked with some crazy extra fees for doing this this way. (I do have the pda unlimited plan/goodlink plan, so i hope I don't get any data fees)
the PDA data plan only allows you access to the media net connection, and you are not suppose to tether using the pda data plan.......which is why that warning in there. there are countless threads out there covering this........you *might* be able to find them.
AT&T 8525 Internet Sharing
Check #6 in the instructions. These instructions assume you have set up a second My ISP connection using isp.cingular instead of wap.cingular. Try searching the AT&T site, possibly for "Laptop Connect."
I have the PDA plan and have been able to use My ISP (wap.cingular) for email and My ISP (isp.cingular) for tethering with no problem.