only 20% of android users?! BULLCRAP!

only 20% of android users?! BULLCRAP! - Nexus One General

i stumbled across this story. dunno if its been posted in other threads in this site but since im primarily a nexus one owner, ill post it here. look:
http://www.businessinsider.com/77-o...other-versus-just-20-of-android-owners-2010-7 only 20% of android users would buy another while 77% percent would buy another iphone? thats crap. i love android and this is coming from an ex iphone 1st gen, iphone 3g and iphone 3gs. android blows the iphone out the water with android 2.2. how can so many of us android users be unsatisfied with android? how many of you guys would buy another android device? i myself got my eye on the droid x but idk. its pretty hard to leave my nexus one
okay as someone asked i copied and pasted the article so no need to go to the actual site:
"Customer loyalty is definitely one of Apple's advantages versus most of its rivals in the smartphone market.
The latest evidence: A Yankee Group survey summarized on CNNMoney (via Daring Fireball) saying that 77% of iPhone owners say they'll buy another iPhone, versus just 20% of Google Android customers who say they'll buy another Android phone.
That's a huge difference!
For now, it could be attributed to the early, half-baked state of many Android devices out there -- we assume the customer satisfaction for newer devices like the HTC Droid Incredible and Nexus One is much stronger than that of, say, the original HTC G1.
And, of course, it's quite possible that those people who don't plan to buy another Android phone will buy one anyway, just because it's the best-available smartphone at their carrier, price, or other factors.
But still -- this is a platform war we're at the beginning of, and Google needs to work with its handset partners to make sure Android is a good (and as "sticky") as possible.
(We assume BlackBerry maker RIM has also had very strong loyalty over the years, but it's not mentioned in the article.)"

Lol thas complete bs. I was the former owner of the iPhone 3g and 3gs and since i switched to android i've had eris, droid 1, N1, incedible, and now droid x, having said that, the only one i would choose the iphone over is the eris. I read a similar article on droid life one time but the loyalty to android was actually in the 80s that must be a apple fanboy blog.
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Yep, Pure BS! Some iphonie fan wrote it...

All I see is the numbers, nothing about how they surveyed the people, how many people, and so on. I find that very hard to believe that 80% wouldn't buy another android phone. The iphone % I believe, since pretty much if you own an iphone you buy one every year, or you realise the mistake you made and move to another platform. Oh well, all the press is good news, Android is a viable enemy to iOS and the media and everyone else knows this now. You wouldn't have a survey even done if it wasn't.

Well I had the g1 for 2 years, and towards the end it really started to suck. It didn't have enough memory to run basic framework plus minimal applications. I always had Maps turning off the traffic due to low memory, and traffic checks are maybe the thing I use most often. ( I had ZERO anything on my homescreen as well, no apps, widgets, clocks, nada)
I went to iphone... HUGE mistake obviously (I could have figured it would be since I left iphone for android, but I thought I would give the 3GS a shot)
Then I came to the Nexus One and its uncomparable to either of these phones. If you are using a G1 on android 1.6 you really won't learn what Android is capable of, and you won't learn unless you get on a different device. Once I got to use the N1 and learn all the features of android, the G1 became more capable because I learned what it was trying to imitate. Widgets are one of the main features that make Android the winner. G1 Donut and hero/n1 Eclair are a Night and Day difference for me, and FroYo is amazing with the Dalvik cache and wifi-tether.
So, basically the majority of the people that say they would leave are on the g1 (or a similar, entry type) and don't really know what it is that they are missing.
Oh yea, and the article is BS...

adambenjamin said:
Well I had the g1 for 2 years, and towards the end it really started to suck. It didn't have enough memory to run basic framework plus minimal applications. I always had Maps turning off the traffic due to low memory, and traffic checks are maybe the thing I use most often. ( I had ZERO anything on my homescreen as well, no apps, widgets, clocks, nada)
I went to iphone... HUGE mistake obviously (I could have figured it would be since I left iphone for android, but I thought I would give the 3GS a shot)
Then I came to the Nexus One and its uncomparable to either of these phones. If you are using a G1 on android 1.6 you really won't learn what Android is capable of, and you won't learn unless you get on a different device. Once I got to use the N1 and learn all the features of android, the G1 became more capable because I learned what it was trying to imitate. Widgets are one of the main features that make Android the winner. G1 Donut and hero/n1 Eclair are a Night and Day difference for me, and FroYo is amazing with the Dalvik cache and wifi-tether.
So, basically the majority of the people that say they would leave are on the g1 (or a similar, entry type) and don't really know what it is that they are missing.
Oh yea, and the article is BS...
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i agree. if youre under 2.0, you wont experience the full android experience. to get the best feeling, 2.2 would be the one. this is where fragmentation is the issue

What really urks me is that there is not explination of the numbers, in either article they only say the numbers, not how the numbers were gathered or who was surveyed, as far as I am concerned the statement
"Android is the greatest mobile OS ever, iPhone cant even compare"
is just as plausible given the lack of evidence to support either my statement or their numbers.

Wow. As a show of how intelligent the sites readers are the whole comments section or an argument between fanboys in who will have more market share (the android guys side) and more profit ( the ios guys side).

This its probably true, if they took a sampling from att base. Att has ****ty android examples.

This is nosense.
As good old WM (6.x.x) is fading and WP7 won't compatible with older applications, I finally made a move and migrated to Android.
The first Android phone is nexus one, then you can imagine how high expectation I have with Android, and generally I think I made a right move.
Other than N8 (S60 cubic), the future smartphones will be Android 2.2+ based.

I love my n1 and would definitely get another android phone, once my nexus one dies or something worthwhile comes along to put my n1 into retirement.
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What really pisses me off about this, is that there isn't A SINGLE BIT OF PROOF, no statistics, no evidence, no survey reports, nothing. And this thing is spreading, its the Android 3.0 rumors all over again, unsubstantiated rumors running freely on the internet, and no one is asking the necessary questions.

One question: why are we driving traffic to their site? Copy/paste the content and post it in your OP, then I might read it.

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What really pisses me off about this, is that there isn't A SINGLE BIT OF PROOF, no statistics, no evidence, no survey reports, nothing. And this thing is spreading, its the Android 3.0 rumors all over again, unsubstantiated rumors running freely on the internet, and no one is asking the necessary questions.
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73% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Sounds like MS or Apple funded FUD to me. Or a clueless fanboi.

I just converted 3 people to android fanatics in the past month. And with the aria and captivate out for att I'm getting more people on the boat for it. My sister is far from technologically inclined and she still thinks her aria is easier and better than the iphone she almost bought.

I'm willing to guess that 100% of people at this forum would buy Android again We are hardly what I would consider an unbias source as we are browsing Android forums, clearly we love our devices.

I had a G1 for a year and LOVED it. Have had my Nexus One for around 2 months and I LOVE IT as well. If there was a Nexus 2, Id pick it up FOR SURE.
Too bad Google wont be doing another one. But that new 2ghz Motorola Android phone coming this winter sure sounds nice.
And yes, that article is PURE BS.

Dai323 said:
I had a G1 for a year and LOVED it. Have had my Nexus One for around 2 months and I LOVE IT as well. If there was a Nexus 2, Id pick it up FOR SURE.
Too bad Google wont be doing another one. But that new 2ghz Motorola Android phone coming this winter sure sounds nice.
And yes, that article is PURE BS.
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Eh, the article isn't pure BS. Obviously if you bring this article to Android forums you are going to find that a vast majority of the people will call the article BS and say they love their Android phone. The same thing applies if someone were to post this very article on Apple forums, people would agree and say they love their iPhone. Fan-sites for devices are the most bias corners of the internet.
Just because many people here love their Android phones doesn't just mean the article is BS. Thats one thing everyone needs to remember: anyone posting on a fan-oriented forum/site is going to have a bias toward their hardware. They are also the vocal MINORITY. 99% of customers never ever post on a website or forum about how much they love their phone. Thus, people on sites like these represent a tiny fraction of the real market opinion.
Also, CNN Money ran the same story: http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/23/technology/iphone_4_att/index.htm?section=money_latest

I was using windows mobile for a long time until finally making the move to android with the nexus one. I have no regrets, either. When Windows Phone 7 releases, though, I will probably move to them. And if they can't keep up pace with apps/updates/ect, I'll be back on Android. I wont be buying any Apple products ever. I do not like the way they do business.

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Eh, the article isn't pure BS. Obviously if you bring this article to Android forums you are going to find that a vast majority of the people will call the article BS and say they love their Android phone. The same thing applies if someone were to post this very article on Apple forums, people would agree and say they love their iPhone. Fan-sites for devices are the most bias corners of the internet.
Just because many people here love their Android phones doesn't just mean the article is BS. Thats one thing everyone needs to remember: anyone posting on a fan-oriented forum/site is going to have a bias toward their hardware. They are also the vocal MINORITY. 99% of customers never ever post on a website or forum about how much they love their phone. Thus, people on sites like these represent a tiny fraction of the real market opinion.
Also, CNN Money ran the same story: http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/23/technology/iphone_4_att/index.htm?section=money_latest
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Fair enough, but XDA isnt ONLY Android developement. As Android got off to a slow start, I would think its very fair to say that people who purchased Android phones in the past year (Droid, Nexus, Evo, Desire, ect) would be VERY likely to purchase another Android phone.
And Id be willing to bet it would be alot more than 20%.

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Nexus One. We're being phased out, and quickly.

NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore. Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis. I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that, and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users. Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special. I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
Simply, I absolutely LOVE my Nexus One, but i feel like it is not getting the support it deserves, and i DO NOT want this beautiful piece of technology to be obsolete by september. i hope you guys are with me on this, because i think we all know that this phone could easily be something BETTER than what it is now. and it SHOULD be able to compete with any phone within a year from now because it's Google's baby. GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money. Because, even though i feel like this is the best phone i've ever had, 1) i feel like it'll be obsolete in a few months and 2) im starting to feel like i wasted my money.
long live nexus

+1 .......

The Nexus one will be the standard by which all android phones are measured for at-least another year.
Keeping everything pure AOSP is a huge plus IMO.
Official updates are slow, but code is being committed to the repository regularly and makes it on to the custom ROMS very quickly.
There is no phone out there with better features and community support than the one you have
There is no other phone on google.com/phone... so we are still the only child.

Google is trying to catch up the rest of the android world to 2.1
VZ cut them off it seems from the N1 and instead VZ gets another great Android handset.
Froyo has some much needed upgrades and will help (in theory) android solidify itself by stabilizing the platform for devs.
JIT/Flash/Market /Open GL / market upgrades are on there way if you believe the rumors.
What is it you feel is being phased out ?
Only about 500k users have an N1. Thats a miniscule amount.
Even with that we have two great devs putting out some very stable ROMS. Unlike the past N1 came with so many damn features out of box that we didnt need ROMs and Apps to add the 101 missing features.
Listen I am still up in Googles rectum about alot of features that need to be fixed/enhanced on Android. We all knew N1 was the first of the snapdragons. The others are storming in blasting taking attention away from us...but theyre all on the same team....they all bleed green =-)
Sure Id love to be slapping on Sense widgets , Moto Blur social network apps , etc...but thats up to us as a community to do it (if ever technically possible).
Anyways feel good about your purchase. You still have the best available phone on the market and will until the EVO/Iphone4G drop. And even then..youd still be top 3 at worst.

There isn't much development because there isn't much to do. The Nexus has the latest firmware and top specs. Of announced phones only the Evo and Galaxy S have significantly better specs everything else is just a SLIGHTLY upgraded Nexus. No porting apps or firmwares are needed. The only thing to really do is optimize what we have (cyanogen is doing that) and port sense UI (Paul is doing that). I'm happy with my Nexus .....for now hehe

zach I can understand the complaints about some of the nagging issues the phone has had (3G, purple tint etc.) but two things we have to realize: A majority of the users don't experience these problems, and in no way is our phone going to be obsolete anytime soon.
Here is a post I made regarding the Incredible screen, I think it's relevant here:
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Here's my take:
Would I like to have this screen in my Nexus? Yea it would have been a nice feature. Do I need this screen? No, not in the slightest.. Not yet anyways. The only apps that would require a screen like that are games, and I don't play the type of games on my phone that would require axis-crossing multitouch. I know some people do, and I can respect that but I don't, hence why I don't care about this right now.
Frankly, if you're playing those kinds of games anyways, just get an iPhone (and I'm not saying that in a bad way). iPhone is unmatched when it comes to gameplay and plus you can get them all for free if you jailbreak. Yea The Incredible has a capable screen, but do you know long it's going to take Android to catch up to Apple when it comes to game quality?? Android just got games like Racing Thunder 2 and Homerun Battle 3D while you can play Street Fighter 4 and freaking Grand Theft Auto on the iPhone! It's no competition.. if you want to game, you don't have the right phone.
By the time Android actually starts developing games and apps that can take advantage of the axis crossing MT, The Incredible will be "obsolete" (as some of you like to put it) so no need for everyone to get their panties in a bunch
With most things I normally have a realist perspective and am usually the first to 'hate' on something when its deserved, but alot of you guys are just a bunch of downers. The Incredible is a great phone as is the Nexus, everyone should just appreciate what they have! If you keep chasing the newest technology (no matter how impractical it is) you will never be satisfied!
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
Regarding the selection of ROMS.. Guys, right now we have the top of the line OS on our phones.. 2.1 is the standard, most of the G1/Magic ROMS are trying to replicate what we already have stock. Believe me, once Froyo and Android 3.0 come out the devs will be right on it and we'll get awesome ports. We have great developers who will make sure our phones have the newest software on our devices.
And if worst comes to worst and some of you decide to sell your Nexus this summer, it will have excellent resale value.

Don't worry, This is the phone Google are actively giving to developers. We'll be here for a while to come yet.

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I most definetely do not believe the nexus one will be phased out anytime soon, actually i will be ordering one tonight as a matter of fact. yes we may not have the best touch screens or the greatest rom develipment, but that is because we are still number one There are no other builds to even create until phones of this caliber runnng other os are on the scene. And for the touch screen issue, whe the time comes to where we truely need multitouch for games on the market out nexus's WILL be outdated, or there WILL be a fix for this, i mean geez Cyanogen has nearly finished a fully working Eclair for the g1 already, all i see is hope and excitment for the future of this device, the market also needs some serious time to catch up to apples games (please dont get upset with this, its true) The only thing i can see actually outdating our phones are dual processors capable of OVER 1.5 otherwise i dont believe they will be extinct, not even the 1.3 samsung will hurt the nexus i think considering we can be oc'ed to 1.3 anyways i do believe, or at least close

I don't think that we're being phased out, not until another year. Each phone that comes in the market gets compared to Nexus One.
As far as the development is concerned, its very satisfactory. Comparing the development scene between N1 an iPhone, iPhone sold nearly 50x the units of N1 sold. So most app developers have their focus on iPhone as it stands them a better chance of making more money..... But still development on N1 is much better.....

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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
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+1
I’m beginning to think some people have never bought a phone before, or a computer for that matter.
Did people expect the N1 to the absolute top spec phone forever? Seriously its still amazing compared to most, and measures up nicely in all significant ways to these new phones it keeps getting compared to. Stop trying to bury it before its even close to dead.
There is always something newer coming. No exceptions. There are phones in development now that will top the Evo and Incredible. At some point you have to buy something or you’ll wait forever.
The N1 is Google’s flag ship phone. I bought it for that reason. If Google is developing something cool (like FroYo!) its pretty much guaranteed to come to us first. Its not being phased out. I think there are exciting things to come…

You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
zachthemaster said:
NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory
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How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
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in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore.
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THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
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Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis.
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As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
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I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that
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Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
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and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
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Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special.
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If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
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I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
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Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.

I don't buy it. I don't like the multitouch sensor they used for the phone, and I think the scrolling could be smoother, but what do you really expect from Google? Short of them sending out free hardware upgrades, what are you really looking for to not feel phased out?
The Nexus One is a great phone, at least for me. Even with the multitouch issues, I'm able to pull off running jumps when I play Super Mario World and the like. And that issue is allegedly being worked on with 2.2. If they flat out said the Nexus One wasn't getting 2.2 then you could make the claim of the Nexus One being phased out.
As far as network issues go, I have zero problems with my AT&T Nexus One and 3G. I live in the DC Metro area, for what it's worth. Most problems I've heard from people are all on T-Mobile. Who's to say the problem isn't on T-Mobile's side instead of Google's? Everyone blames AT&T's network for the iPhone's network issues, but it's pretty clear that the radio in the iPhone is garbage.
We live in a time where there are 1ghz processors in handheld devices. Technology is advancing so fast. It's always going to hurt when your $500+ dollar device isn't the best around anymore, but do you really want forward progress to slow down so you feel like you have the best phone longer?
I think you're being overly paranoid, if you ask me. So long as you love the phone, what do you care?

danguyf said:
You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
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I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!

You can't compare the modding/dev community of the N1 to the iPhone anyways.
The iphone has FAR more units out there, and the Apple cult is still buying. The iPhone also has more that is needed as far as mods to make it a nice OS.
The iPhone also runs native binaries, so there seem to be a lot more standard systems written for it, or so I was told in my Q&A thread. The iPhone has full apt packaging system, full set of GNU tools, full OpenSSH suite, etc.
The iPhone also has a lot more core teams of dedicated modders, while Android seems to have 1-2, at least for the N1. This is, again, I think due to the fact that the iPhone needs more mods to make it a good OS.

Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.

Not even boobs can rescue the OP's post.

martin0285 said:
I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!
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Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.
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I agree wholeheartedly with both of you.

zachthemaster said:
NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete.
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Can you link these posts?
How is the N1 becoming obsolete? What are your reasons? I have yet to see any indication of this.
updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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What kind of crap is this? Yes, the N1 has received 1 update. Which is 1 more than MANY other Android phones in YEARS.
Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly.
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Here's the Android source code:
http://android.git.kernel.org/
Get to work!
GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money
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Give more WHAT?

Enjoy the wave for as long as it lasts... which will be a long time
Tech wise phones go obsolete much faster than a PC ever would for the simple fact that you are in a closed environment. You can't upgrade the RAM, graphics or CPU on one of these things so shelf life is in terms of months not years. But that's not to say that support will go away for the N1 any time soon. OP is just acknowledging/exhibiting the mid-life crisis that the N1 is in currently. It's still the flagship product and a benchmark for every phone slated to be released this year. Next year may be different--hell I'm sure it will be--but for now, we're good and there's enough power that it'll still be viable 2 years from now. If you need a current tangible example, just look at how many G1's there are out there and how long that phone has been out.
I came from the dismally dysfunctional land of the Epix from Samsung where between them and AT&T, they couldn't figure out who was suppose to be doing the obligatory reach-around. With the N1 there are no more worries about the carrier holding up the updates for a fix to a major problem introduced by another fix almost a year prior for an infantile notification issue., there are no more issues with contractual obilgations to corporate partnerships (Yahoo) with draconian imposed restrictions to enforce it(backflip) and mostly there's no more waiting for the mfg to finally update their license to a newer version OS if they even bother going that route to begin with. Open architecture, open software and an infinite amount of potential for old and new phones is why I'm here and I'm sure a bunch of others are too.
So to anyone else reading this and especially to Sprint customers that are waiting for the N1, catch the wave however you want(N1, Evo, etc) but enjoy it for what it is--a long great ride and loads of fun--cowabunga!

Did somebody say boobs? Er, was I supposed to get something else out of this?

If I were Google I would release Android 2.2 06/14/2010

My resoning is simple Iphone 4 is set up for pre purchase 06/15/2010. I think that would throw a wrench in Apples plan. I would run a few commercials on Tv like a bad politics campain Android does this and Iphone OS doesent do that. Maybe more people would jump on the Android bandwagon. Also wih AT&T's bad data plans why would anyone want an Iphone 4, with all the data I use I sure dont want to loose my unlimited data plan. I'm not Google so who knows whats going on.

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My reasoning is simple Iphone 4 is set up for pre purchase 06/15/2010. I think that would throw a wrench in Apples plan. I would run a few commercials on Tv like a bad politics campain Android does this and Iphone OS doesent do that. Maybe more people would jump on the Android bandwagon. Also wih AT&T's bad data plans why would anyone want an Iphone 4, with all the data I use I sure dont want to loose my unlimited data plan. I'm not Google so who knows whats going on.
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I dont think It will throw a wrench in Apples plans. I say this because theres average people out there that just care for the name "Iphone". So if google releases there update prior to that it wouldnt matter because theres alot of people out there that dont even know what froyo is. Nothing against android or anything of that nature because im android all the way. Its just that I dont see the effect of releasing it the day before since there arent too many "average" people out there that are aware of the update. thats just my opinion though.

If I were Google, I'd release it when it's ready and rid of bugs. I don't really think Google is concerned about the timing of iPhone 4 preorders. They just need to keep making quality products and people will see the light.

I see your point but maybe it would get the average user thinking. I did I had all the previous Iphones and thought apple was the greatest until I got tired of the same old stuff. I did some browsing about the nexus one and said maybe I'll jump ship. I jumped and never turned back I currently own 2 Nexus Ones for me and the wife who loves the phone.

Is true that HTC and Apple are competitors. But in my opinion each of them make 2 different cellphones that targets 2 different kinds of consumers. Allthough they share alot of the same functionallity i think they are WAY apart from eachother. I have had both side by side but i fall on HTC because of my personal opinion and the vast things you can do with the N1. BUT i do think Apple make a fine product and sports a phone with a funtionality that does work VERY well. The big difference is of course the open source vs not open source. I think HTC is way more forward on new functionalities while Apple does follow behind because honestly they haven't really done anything more innovative with their phone since they launched the iPhone. But the phone has what most people need. It contain a very stable OS that rarely fail on you, while we are never ending experimenting on combining kernels, radios and ROM's to get the best out of the N1. It's two different phones alltogether, just choose your side. I don't piss on anyone who ditches their HTC for a iPhone. To me Apple and HTC aren't really competitors. I think both does a good job with their products. It has always been the hassle about the End-User agreement all together.
So recently i have come to terms with these two companies that, whatever happens, what they do i don't give a friggin damn really. they both make fine products.
Because we really are geeks aren't we? that is why we love the N1/HTC and not iPhone

Predict the next set of Lotto numbers while you're here, please.

I agree, specially coz I cant wait for Froyo to come out. But IMO, timing the FroYo release prior to the iPhones pre purchase day will do very little or no effect. IPhone will always be most popular, Apple's marketing strategy is par to none. They attract a broad market of people from all walks of life. And since only a few percentage of the population are techies, most of us could care less about how great an open source device is, android's unlimited potential and the things it can do that the iPhone might not.
Although i would love to see Google/Android dominate the technology and phone industry, competition is always healthy for us consumers, and for as long as competition exist, we can all be assured our Nexus and our future android devices will always get better.

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2-14-32-12 LOL Remember to box it

more and more this seems like a "nice guys finish last" story where Google is playing nice and apple is the confident Chad...
Google needs to step its game up

Who will win?

I don't know about your but it seems to me a looooot of blackberry people like my friends want the new iPhone.

Im currently eligable for new upgrades. Would like to get 2 but I dont want to dump the nexus one.

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Im currently eligable for new upgrades. Would like to get 2 but I dont want to dump the nexus one.
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If I'm not mistaken, AT&T bumped everyones eligibility to NOW (if you were set to be eligible in sometime 2010). My entire family is eligible now, but I don't want an iPhone, nor do I want to lose the unlimited plan I am on as of now.

Hmm I thought you can keep your plan? And that unlimited plan wouldn't be available to new customers only?
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If I'm not mistaken, AT&T bumped everyones eligibility to NOW (if you were set to be eligible in sometime 2010). My entire family is eligible now, but I don't want an iPhone, nor do I want to lose the unlimited plan I am on as of now.
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If I were Google I would have released Froyo on June 30, 2007 and then I would have kicked Steve Jobs in the balls just for the fun of it. This year, I would have released Android 3.5, Horchata, about 10 minutes ago because that's when I would have wanted to be playing with it.
If only Google was as awesome as me. Alas.

If I were Google I'd post on this forum and tell people to stop posting stupid threads like this. How many "My froyo release date prediction" threads do you really need on a single forum? Make a megathread or stfu already, no one cares when you think Google should do something.

If you were Google you should ignore threads like these. And concentrate on fixing whatever issues you currently have on FroYo and release it to the public ASAP. You should expect impatient people ranting here, after all this thread isn't violating any forum rules, and if it is, the MODs would've closed this already.
Mr. Google you shouldnt let little things frustrate you. Just saying
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If I were Google I'd post on this forum and tell people to stop posting stupid threads like this. How many "My froyo release date prediction" threads do you really need on a single forum? Make a megathread or stfu already, no one cares when you think Google should do something.
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I don't know about your but it seems to me a looooot of blackberry people like my friends want the new iPhone.
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You are right, i don't know why but blackberry users want the iphone. maybe there is a explenation for? why don't join the freedom

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I agree, specially coz I cant wait for Froyo to come out. But IMO, timing the FroYo release prior to the iPhones pre purchase day will do very little or no effect. IPhone will always be most popular, Apple's marketing strategy is par to none. They attract a broad market of people from all walks of life. And since only a few percentage of the population are techies, most of us could care less about how great an open source device is, android's unlimited potential and the things it can do that the iPhone might not.
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You're right about apples advertising, hands down the best in their field. Of course, google refuses to advertise on television so who knows whether they could compete. Personally I'd like to see what google could do on TV . Imagine what they could've done with the nexus if they tried. Its a really curious decision, I'm interested in Google's strategy of avoiding proven successful advertising techniques...that's why nexus sales don't phase me, because google didn't try to sell it so I'm convinced they didn't even really want to sell it. Maybe they wanted to get it out, then really push it when better features/updates came about. Oh well who knows, i could speculate all day. Anyway I still trust google knows what they're doing, for now at least...

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You're right about apples advertising, hands down the best in their field. Of course, google refuses to advertise on television so who knows whether they could compete. Personally I'd like to see what google could do on TV . Imagine what they could've done with the nexus if they tried. Its a really curious decision, I'm interested in Google's strategy of avoiding proven successful advertising techniques...that's why nexus sales don't phase me, because google didn't try to sell it so I'm convinced they didn't even really want to sell it. Maybe they wanted to get it out, then really push it when better features/updates came about. Oh well who knows, i could speculate all day. Anyway I still trust google knows what they're doing, for now at least...
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Didn't they release an iPhone-esque video online? Remember seeing 2 versions of it on here. Wasn't all that impressive to me... I think Google knows they're not ready to compete with iPhone just yet . Here's hoping the Nexus Two is a different story.

Steve Jobs' comments about Android

Just saw this on 9to5mac...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hUQVIqjkzD4
And while I don't agree with everything he has to say, I agree with some of his points - it's close to the same argument of windows vs. os x. I love my Evo, Android and Sense, but $58 bucks a month for tons more services with Sprint is a big factor in that love.

He had valid points, lol, yeah android still needs to get all thee phones pushing the same software, but its still ever changing , but when it happens, they will trump iphone
Sent from my netarchy_toast, froyo beast of a machine evo!

I could care less what Steve B-jobs has to say.

So what he's saying is people are sheep. Everybody wants to have the exact same tool and nobody wants something different or the ability to create something different. It's not a good business move to let users have a brain.
Got it.

I'm very happy with my fragmented OS, besides i use roms from DEV's on this site, mainly due to they actually listen to what's going on with the rom's they develop and they figure out a fix for it asap, try seeing how long it takes for a Corp. DEV such as HTC or Google to listen to you and fix your issue. I'd much rather have my custom rom that Just Works versus having the exact same OS as "x" numbers who all have the same OS and still can't change their own battery without mailing their device in or without having to go to a corporate store.
Steve your still a Joke.

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So what he's saying is people are sheep.
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People sheeps..look at trends. Wait, trends are sheep people.
Everybody wants to have the exact same tool and nobody wants something different or the ability to create something different. It's not a good business move to let users have a brain.
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This is what business is about. You want users to be able to repeat your advertisements, or chants. Why do you think they create slogans? Off the top of your head i bet you can say the McDonalds slogan. Now Walmart. What the point is, is that you want the people to be able to follow your products. It is about business.

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I'm very happy with my fragmented OS, besides i use roms from DEV's on this site, mainly due to they actually listen to what's going on with the rom's they develop and they figure out a fix for it asap, try seeing how long it takes for a Corp. DEV such as HTC or Google to listen to you and fix your issue. I'd much rather have my custom rom that Just Works versus having the exact same OS as "x" numbers who all have the same OS and still can't change their own battery without mailing their device in or without having to go to a corporate store.
Steve your still a Joke.
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It's funny because I love Macs. I have an iMac, iPad, iPod nano and my wife has an iPod Touch. I've had every iPhone except for the iPhone 4. I love most Apple products. But switched to android when the Nexus One came back and haven't considered switching back to the iPhone since.
Android is a much more robust OS. You can do pretty much anything you want to do. And the average consumer doesn't know or care about fragmentation. They see it as, 'hey, I want a smaller phone (Incredible) or I want a larger screen (EVO, X).' And even then, all those devices have 2.2 on it so there is no fragmentation. Steve Jobs needs to get more informed. He's likely never even used Android and is just spewing irrelevant and incorrect statements.

TwitterDeck.
http://goo.gl/ze3O

Id rather not have all Android Devices pushing the same exact thing (ex: interface). I like how it is, because dev wise, it brings a lot more excitement. Every time I go from cyanogenmod to Sense, it feels as if I just got a new phone, I like having that feeling.

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He's likely never even used Android and is just spewing irrelevant and incorrect statements.
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He probably uses one every day.

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So what he's saying is people are sheep.
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Kind of like the people who buy Android tee shirts pissing on a Apple logo? Brand loyalty (sheep as you call them) exists everywhere and it's not limited to Apple. We/I can point out a bunch of in denial Android/EVO fanboys on just this forum to prove it.
Fragmentation is a problem. It's not about having a wide variety of phones (because that's a good thing); it's about the variety causing troubles for developers, even Google them selves. If I get a new current iPhone, it's pretty much guaranteed that it'll run iOS smoothly and as intended for about two years. It's the same deal with third party apps. On Android though, you can buy a new current phone that 1) doesn't run the latest version of Android and may never will, 2) doesn't run Android smoothly because it can't possibly be optimized for all hardware, 3) third party developers have a hard to make their apps compatible with the vast variety of hardware and versions of Android that are still in use.
You can go on the Android Market right now, click on almost any app, look at it's reviews and see hundreds of comments screaming about the app not working on their phone. The everyday consumer is stupid, they have one bad experience with Android and it'll be less likely that their next phone will be Android. And that's bad for business and the point Steve Jobs was trying to make.

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Id rather not have all Android Devices pushing the same exact thing (ex: interface). I like how it is, because dev wise, it brings a lot more excitement. Every time I go from cyanogenmod to Sense, it feels as if I just got a new phone, I like having that feeling.
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THIS!
stupid10char

I used to own iphone 3G, and 4. iPhone 4 is indeed a very solid phone with very solid build quality. The downside of owning it was you have to deal with ATT. Apps like orb, and slingmobile got even worst because of retina display and the crap data limitation.
I think both Evo and iPhone 4 have great ups and owns.
I love iphone 4 for it's solid build, and does what's it's supposed to do with no need for tweaking. Down side of it is ATT, and no wifi tether (I didn't jailbreak it yet since there was no need for it for my wife), and data cap on certain apps. Oh and I have not experience the death grip issue, and let's not forget loads of free games that are actually good.
My monthly fee for 450 min, unlimited data, no text(google voice=profit!), no mms = about 70/month after all fees and taxes (EDIT** This is ATER 15% corp discount-I think I used to pay close to 90 w/o the discount).
Upside of Evo is great screen size, Sprint with Asurion insurance, easy to root and enable wifi tethering, great slingmobile quality, and the monthly price. The downside of Evo is crappy build quality (on my second Evo due to glass coming off, and even brand new one's glass can be pushed down)
Monthly fee for SERO prem = I'm assuming it's going to be around 65-70 bucks after insurance/taxes which includes unlimited texts/MMS.

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I used to own iphone 3G, and 4. iPhone 4 is indeed a very solid phone with very solid build quality. The downside of owning it was you have to deal with ATT. Apps like orb, and slingmobile got even worst because of retina display and the crap data limitation.
I think both Evo and iPhone 4 have great ups and owns.
I love iphone 4 for it's solid build, and does what's it's supposed to do with no need for tweaking. Down side of it is ATT, and no wifi tether (I didn't jailbreak it yet since there was no need for it for my wife), and data cap on certain apps. Oh and I have not experience the death grip issue, and let's not forget loads of free games that are actually good.
My monthly fee for 450 min, unlimited data, no text(google voice=profit!), no mms = about 70/month after all fees and taxes.
Upside of Evo is great screen size, Sprint with Asurion insurance, easy to root and enable wifi tethering, great slingmobile quality, and the monthly price. The downside of Evo is crappy build quality (on my second Evo due to glass coming off, and even brand new one's glass can be pushed down)
Monthly fee for SERO prem = I'm assuming it's going to be around 65-70 bucks after insurance/taxes which includes unlimited texts/MMS.
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It will be interesting to see what happens when the iPhone finally launches on Verizon. And who knows, with the iPhone on Verizon, we might see it on Sprint sooner or later.

Oh I forgot to mention pretty important experience.
I sold iphone 3G (I'd say 8/10 condition) for 200 bucks on craigslist with in 2 hours of posting it.
Had tough time selling HTC Touch Pro 2 (about same condition) for 150 on craigslist. Finally got rid of it for 180 with bunch of extra stuff (extra bat, charger, bodyglove etc).

DirtyShroomz said:
So what he's saying is people are sheep. Everybody wants to have the exact same tool and nobody wants something different or the ability to create something different. It's not a good business move to let users have a brain.
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Problem is, it's correct.
The majority of phone, mp3, toaster buyers are sheep.
Folks like us who read forums such as this one; Those who understand the inner workings of their device and would like to have the ability to change it if desired; Those who enjoy digging into and learning about what they have....
We're the minority. The very, very small minority.
Apple got it right with devices that just work when you turn them on and they do exactly what people expect. Your average 16 year old girl could care less about rooting or jailbreaking. Can she send text messages, listen to music and read Facebook? Bam, the iPhone is good enough. Oh, there was an update to the iPhone software? A few minutes of data transfer and a reboot later and she can get back to what she wants to do with it.
For Android users, it's a question of which phone? Which UI does it come with? Which OS version does it have? You start throwing information like that to a general, everyday, I-just-want-it-to-work user and their eyes glaze over.
I still believe that Android will eventually overtake the iPhone, just by sheer number of devices and carriers, but Google really needs to rein back a bit and let the device manufacturers catch up. We just barely got Froyo rolled out and there's already talk of IceCream.
Fragmentation is a real problem. Not just to users, but developers. The Market is full of comments that say things like "not working on X device".
You don't see that in the iPhone app store.
It's issues like that that will continue to turn sheep users away.

All that proves is Steve Jobs is not above trolling, google is not fragmenting the market. Manufacturers are, google by no means in forced Samsung to use touchwiz, or HTC to use Sense.
I really have never run into a problem where apps wont run my phone due the "fragmentation"

Jobs summed up the point of Android vs Apple in his own words and didn't even realize it.
"We see tremendous value in having Apple rather than our users be the systems integrator."

I agree with jobs. People do want products that "just work" - period. Unless you're a developer, why would you want something that you have to put labor into to actually have it running correctly? However, besides having my products just work I like variety and apple does not provide that - but then again, like someone else said, that's only a few of us.

i partially agree with jobs and just saying that makes me about throw up not because i hate apple products etc. I just really dont like steve jobs.
I think a lot of people give the general public to much credit. honestly even if android had no fragmentation and was better in every aspect then iOS ... almost everyone knows about the iphone. It is already instilled into the average persons minds that the iphone is the best phone. It will take years and years for that to change under optimal conditions.
Most people dont know what fragmentation of an os is or why it can cause problems. Even though the Evo Vs Iphone video was a joke it was pretty accurate, though exaggerated slightly, the average consumer (i am sure some of you will take offense as did many who saw the video but its true). they dont care what else is out what anything else can do they just want an iphone because they have been fed that it is the best phone for a while now.
the iphone is not a bad piece of hard ware. just dont agree with job's practices or "vision" of what the users and developers should be allowed to do. If they allowed widgets and added a bit more customization options to iOS i think they could pull a good amount of the "casual" android users back to there side.

Nexus S = iPhone

Yep, for me personally the Nexus S is like the iPhone. I am just so happy with it
Let me explain. My first smartphone was a big, sturdy Kyocera 7135, running Palm OS, and it was sort of OK, crashing at times, but generally useful.
Then I went through several HTC-made WM5 and WM6 phones, which promised much, but ate my nights and weekends flashing and reflashing ROMs to make them useful. It was a time of obsessive flashing, fixing bugs, only to introduce new ones.
Then came the iPhone. And it was bliss. It worked. It looked good. It was updated regularly. Of course I jailbroke it, but it was more for sport, than anything else. As I said, it just worked, and it worked well.
Then Steve Jobs opened his big mouth and told me that Flash is not coming to the iPhone. Which pissed me off.
I had been keeping an eye on Android (with vague interest, but also disdain at first). The EVO came out, I almost got it, but it seemed a bit too tacky and clunky. When the Galaxy S came out with its gorgeous screen, I thought the time had come to give the maturing Android a try.
After the initial excitement (mostly with the SAMOLED screen), I found myself spending my nights and weekends flashing and reflashing again. To fix the GPS, to fix the Market, to fix FCs.... It felt like being back on WM6 again.
Worse, I discovered that while Android is an open platform, in practice it is locked just as tight as iOS by the manufacturers and the carriers. Really, there is very little difference: there are tons of developers working on modifying the iPhone in many ways, including UI. I just never thought most modifications were worth the effort. I feel the same regarding Android.
And with Android, if the manufacturer decides not to update the drivers for a phone, there is generally little the developer community can do to make that phone run the latest Android updates well.
So, I was getting disillusioned. When the Nexus S came out, I decided to give Android one last chance.
I've had the Nexus S for close to a month now. It just works. It's smooth. I don't have to think about it. I haven't even bothered to root it yet.
I feel like I have a phone again. Just like I did with the iPhone. Except that it does Flash
I wish it had WiFi Calling and 720p, but overall I am happy. Hopefully these will come, in due time.
I will almost certainly never buy another locked, modified by the manufacturer Android phone. In most cases, the specs are for suckers, to sell them something which they don't need and most likely will never use, to get them to upgrade every year. That's part of why Android manufacturers do not support "old" hardware, but instead push the specs and the marketing hype up.
But you know, my two year old iPhone 3Gs ran smoother than my Galaxy S and my Vibrant, with half the horsepower. In most cases, it's the software, stupid!
That's why, for me, the Nexus S is my new iPhone.

Often one has to live through tyranny to really appreciate freedom. With the iPhone and every non-Nexus Android phone, the "government" (i.e. manufacturer/carrier) is oppressive, and the "rebels" (i.e. XDA, Cyanogen, ...) have to fight tooth & nail to gain freedom. With the Nexus line, the government (Google) is supportive and the no-longer-rebels can modify to their hearts' content without fear of retaliation. This is the world of Nexus, and it is Good.
Just so you know, voip calling is explicitly supported on Gingerbread. It's not the official T-Mobile Wifi Calling app, but it also doesn't use up your plan minutes. Just search for it here or in the T-Mobile user forums for the Nexus S.
And 720p recording will certainly be added in the future (probably as a custom ROM tho).

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Often one has to live through tyranny to really appreciate freedom. With the iPhone and every non-Nexus Android phone, the "government" (i.e. manufacturer/carrier) is oppressive, and the "rebels" (i.e. XDA, Cyanogen, ...) have to fight tooth & nail to gain freedom. With the Nexus line, the government (Google) is supportive and the no-longer-rebels can modify to their hearts' content without fear of retaliation. This is the world of Nexus, and it is Good.
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Couldn't have said it better myself isn't being a rebel fun!
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I will almost certainly never buy another locked, modified by the manufacturer Android phone. In most cases, the specs are for suckers, to sell them something which they don't need and most likely will never use, to get them to upgrade every year. That's part of why Android manufacturers do not support "old" hardware, but instead push the specs and the marketing hype up.
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Great idea, I think this practise is wasteful and is only designed to make already rich companies even richer You're right; specs are just purely marketing gimicks.
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But you know, my two year old iPhone 3Gs ran smoother than my Galaxy S and my Vibrant, with half the horsepower. In most cases, it's the software, stupid!
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Software is the next big battle ground that's always been my view. Because we will reach this point where sure hardware can get slightly better, but most of the innovation will come down to the software space. That's why the Nexus fits this idea so perfectly!
Good choice on your Nexus S! I'm not disappointed with mine at all, and I came from iOS (iPt 2g MC - pos) and Symbian (E63... alright for the price when I got it I guess).

Had the Nexus S 2 days only but I like it. I have kept my iphone 4 for a week or two to make sure I don't change my mind.
My only problem with it so far is it eats the battery so much quicker than iphone.

Dear Sir or Madam,
Your optimism, well-wishes, or otherwise pleasant feelings regarding the Nexus S are neither warranted nor welcomed on these forums.
In case you did not notice, the sky is currently falling and the end is upon us. Clearly, you are incapable of making a choice of your own volition and must succumb to the masses, which confirm that the end is indeed falling on the Nexus S. Why you should so foolishly choose the device you thought best suited for you without consulting the unnamed and innumerable masses who possess other devices, post praise for those devices on their respective forums, and yet still come here to spout their opinions after handling this device for five minutes is a gross negligence on your part and you should be ashamed.
You must cease and desist all pleasant feelings and likable opinions regarding this device immediately or be subject to mob scrutiny of which the consequences will never be the same.
Sincerely,
The Unnamed and Innumerable Masses.
(P.S. I'm so completely sarcastic it's not even funny. If you spend a day or so on these forums, you'd understand this post more.)

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I will almost certainly never buy another locked, modified by the manufacturer Android phone. In most cases, the specs are for suckers, to sell them something which they don't need and most likely will never use, to get them to upgrade every year. That's part of why Android manufacturers do not support "old" hardware, but instead push the specs and the marketing hype up.
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+1
In the US, the carriers don't sell phones. They sell contracts. If you're a good little consumer and buy a 2-year contract, you will get a shiny toy to play with. And then, looong beore that contract is up, they will dangle even shinier toys before you to trick you into extending the contract.
Even the Devil makes you sign a contract only once.

Yupe, agreed
I was ruled by HTC on my Desire, not anymore (still waiting my Nexus S sent from UK).
And from now on, I will only buy Nexus phone !
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Often one has to live through tyranny to really appreciate freedom. With the iPhone and every non-Nexus Android phone, the "government" (i.e. manufacturer/carrier) is oppressive, and the "rebels" (i.e. XDA, Cyanogen, ...) have to fight tooth & nail to gain freedom. With the Nexus line, the government (Google) is supportive and the no-longer-rebels can modify to their hearts' content without fear of retaliation. This is the world of Nexus, and it is Good.
Just so you know, voip calling is explicitly supported on Gingerbread. It's not the official T-Mobile Wifi Calling app, but it also doesn't use up your plan minutes. Just search for it here or in the T-Mobile user forums for the Nexus S.
And 720p recording will certainly be added in the future (probably as a custom ROM tho).
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Jobs can suck it
Hey I totally agree the iPhone 4 was my last device and this Nexus S is pure bliss, still some poor quality, and poorly coded apps on the Market and the games are still nowhere close to the iPhone yet but they are coming, the Nexus S and Gingerbread has steered me away from iOS and anyone who knows me will tell you that is something. Thank you Google. Looking forward to many threads here with you all.

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Often one has to live through tyranny to really appreciate freedom. With the iPhone and every non-Nexus Android phone, the "government" (i.e. manufacturer/carrier) is oppressive, and the "rebels" (i.e. XDA, Cyanogen, ...) have to fight tooth & nail to gain freedom.
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OK had major geek flashback here Star Wars.....
I know I am sad I get my coat and my NS......

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(P.S. I'm so completely sarcastic it's not even funny. If you spend a day or so on these forums, you'd understand this post more.)
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I've been around for 5 years now and I didn't understand.

I don't know if the NS = Iphone but some owners that owns the nexus line sure acts like them, they can't take criticism of their phone and thinks everything that google touches is golden.

yeah too bad some people are stuck on iPhone 4 thanks to google doing the same band act as it did with N1

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I don't know if the NS = Iphone but some owners that owns the nexus line sure acts like them, they can't take criticism of their phone and thinks everything that google touches is golden.
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Ways to get some angry response in a thread lol

I think one area which the Nexus S (and Android in general) is not comparable to the iPhone is the keyboard. It pales in comparison. Typing on Android remains one of the few sore spots of the Android experience; one that is inferior to typing on an iPhone, or even an iPod Touch. I've always been very critical of Android's keyboards, and while there are [better] alternatives, like Smart Keyboard Pro or Better Keyboard 8, it's something about the Android OS, or the Nexus S screen (too sensitive?) that causes me to be unable to type as smoothly and confidently as I can on an iPhone/Touch.
I'm no Apple fan boy, nor do I care for Apple's dated OS or philosophy (which is more or less, "the average user is a complete idiot" - not entirely untrue, and needless to say, is a model that works wonders for them), but I can still respect the iPhone and what Apple gets right. And if there's one thing that succeeds, it's the typing experience (and generally, the touchscreen experience). And in that respect, the Nexus S =/= iPhone.

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I'm not trying to pick a flame war, but i did get some heat for saying the NS wasn't the revolutionary phone that the original N1 was. Still is a good phone but the vibrant or the mt4 isn't that far in terms of a performance and in some cases they surpass the NS.
That behavior was already taken place on the N1, there was some heated battles when the vibrant was released. I don't know what is the big deal in all that, nothing will change the fact if you are happy with your phone but sometimes i see unnecessary name calling and flames in a discussion.
It has become very childish almost the same stuff you find at engadget, there is always a heated battle in an android or apple post.

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I think one area which the Nexus S (and Android in general) is not comparable to the iPhone is the keyboard. It pales in comparison. Typing on Android remains one of the few sore spots of the Android experience; one that is inferior to typing on an iPhone, or even an iPod Touch. I've always been very critical of Android's keyboards, and while there are [better] alternatives, like Smart Keyboard Pro or Better Keyboard 8, it's something about the Android OS, or the Nexus S screen (too sensitive?) that causes me to be unable to type as smoothly and confidently as I can on an iPhone/Touch.
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Sorry have to disagree here.
What determines how good any soft keyboard is how quickly and accurately you can enter text. The worlds record for texting is with a swype keyboard. The best platform for text entry belongs to android.

tommyz2kool said:
Sorry have to disagree here.
What determines how good any soft keyboard is how quickly and accurately you can enter text. The worlds record for texting is with a swype keyboard. The best platform for text entry belongs to android.
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You make a good point. I was more comparing the thumb-typing experience on the Android versus the iPhone. I don't account for Swype because I'm not sure if Swype-ing the fastest in a contest translates exactly to everyday use or ease of user interface. Regardless, the thumb-typing method of Android pales in comparison to the thumb-typing experience on an iPhone. Yes, it is widely determined by how quickly and accurately you can enter text, and that's precisely where the iPhone's keyboard succeeds. It's great that Android can provide an alternative to this method (it speaks to one of the greatest strengths about Android: diversity), but the fact that it requires such a novel alternative to compare speaks volumes of which is better in terms of actually typing/thumbing. What I'm saying is, comparing Swype to thumbing on an iPhone is like comparing oranges to apples (no pun intended). Anyone who has typed extensively on both platforms should understand the difference.
A tangent: my issue spills over to the touchscreen interface in general. I'd argue it's better (more responsive, more reliable, more fluid) on an iPhone than on any Android device I've ever used, including the Nexus S. Again, I'm no Apple fan boy nor am I interested in starting immature flame wars. I'm simply not going to deny where Apple's technology and software can and does beat other developers and Android. I have been, and continue to be, critical of Android, but I do so out of the desire to see it improve. There are times when the typing and touchscreen experience on Android can feel second rate.

SooSpecial said:
I've been around for 5 years now and I didn't understand.
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Maybe I was a bit too subtle.
I was poking fun at the folks who come from other forums to inform us that we're all imbeciles for buying the Nexus S when their device/something coming out six months from now is so much better and we're incapable of making our own choices without their input/consent/approval.

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You make a good point. I was more comparing the thumb-typing experience on the Android versus the iPhone. I don't account for Swype because I'm not sure if Swype-ing the fastest in a contest translates exactly to everyday use or ease of user interface.
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Why? Have you actually used swype on a day to day basis? I've used both platforms extensively and I can say that after a some training swype is clearly the superior typing solution.
Maybe your preference is for thumb typing, but that doesnt change the fact that its faster to swype.

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You make a good point. I was more comparing the thumb-typing experience on the Android versus the iPhone. I don't account for Swype because I'm not sure if Swype-ing the fastest in a contest translates exactly to everyday use or ease of user interface. Regardless, the thumb-typing method of Android pales in comparison to the thumb-typing experience on an iPhone. Yes, it is widely determined by how quickly and accurately you can enter text, and that's precisely where the iPhone's keyboard succeeds. It's great that Android can provide an alternative to this method (it speaks to one of the greatest strengths about Android: diversity), but the fact that it requires such a novel alternative to compare speaks volumes of which is better in terms of actually typing/thumbing. What I'm saying is, comparing Swype to thumbing on an iPhone is like comparing oranges to apples (no pun intended). Anyone who has typed extensively on both platforms should understand the difference.
A tangent: my issue spills over to the touchscreen interface in general. I'd argue it's better (more responsive, more reliable, more fluid) on an iPhone than on any Android device I've ever used, including the Nexus S. Again, I'm no Apple fan boy nor am I interested in starting immature flame wars. I'm simply not going to deny where Apple's technology and software can and does beat other developers and Android. I have been, and continue to be, critical of Android, but I do so out of the desire to see it improve. There are times when the typing and touchscreen experience on Android can feel second rate.
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I can type much faster on Android stock keyboard (Froyo/Gingerbread) than iphone..it is a matter of getting used to it.. I dont like iphone keyboard with no pop up suggestion..Since you are just talking about stock to stock.

Thinking about an iphone over Android

EDIT: SEE POST #14.. I'VE ALREADY SWITCHED TO A THUNDERBOLT
So I've been an avid follower of android over the past year.. rooting, trying different roms.. doing some adb programming.. coming up with some simple mods etc.. No question that Android is a tinkerer's paradise!
there are a few things that irk me about android in general.. which is not necessarily android's fault.
first and foremost there seems to be an alienation between the device manufacturers and android.. in the sense Android (with it's flavors) is probably the fastest OS to get obsolete by another flavor of itself. We have Sense 3.0 that is coming up in Summer.. Droid Incredible still hasn't seen any gingerbread or sense 2.5 development OFFICIALLY!..
True there are custom roms of the same available.. but it is patchy at best in terms of the whole android experience coming from the manufacturer. We all know the limitations of the Z-roms.. a lot of us are no fans of vanilla android and so on..
Lets face it.. the camera/ 720p recording on iphone 4 is unparalleled (try it first hand to believe it).. not to mention the display is gorgeous albeit smaller.
The OS integration with the hardware is very appealing with the iphone4.
I'm getting a little tired with the constantly changing android environment. I am equally miffed at the fact that many android devices including my Droid Inc are left alone to the user to be developed and enhanced. After a year of trying roms, keeping up with mods, working out bugs, testing etc.. I think my experience as a USER of the device.. is somewhat shadowed.
I'm thinking of making a jump to the Iphone where development is more organized compared to android.
I'm not an apple fan boy.. so please don't bash me if you don't like my post

The iPhone 4 is definitely an awesome piece of hardware. I say go for it and if you get tired of that come back to android.

You will miss Android keyboards. I'm sure of that!

I've actually been thinking about the same thing. My buddy just got the iPhone 4and it's a nice phone.
Now the Incredible is my 1st smart phone and I've had it since pre-order. I rooted as soon as it became available and have been flashing ever since. I really love Android, but agree with some of the things you've discussed in the OP.
I still have till Christmas before I am eligible for an upgrade, so I have plenty of time to contemplate my decision.

Iphone 5 is not due until Fall 2012 or early 2012 at the earliest.

The only point I would disagree with is the camera/camcorder. My girlfriend has an iPhone 4, and her pictures and video do not turn out nearly as well as those from my Droid Incredible. Removing any subjective analysis, the iPhone only has a 5MP sensor compared to the Incredible's 8MP.
That said, Nokia has put out phones with much better cameras than either.
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I say you go ahead and give it a go. I've played with a few iPhone 4's and they are quality pieces and very smooth. As long as you stay with Verizon, you can always return it within that 30-day period if you are unhappy with it (of course you have topay a restocking fee though).
I just can't get over the fact that everwhere you go you see someone with the same phone. I personally tend to go against the norm. I not very well acquainted with the customization of the iPhones but I have heard it's on par with what we have going with Android.

kriskmk said:
Iphone 5 is not due until Fall 2012 or early 2012 at the earliest.
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A leaked Verizon document stated differently. Also that doesn't seem to fit Apple's release patterns? Just saying.

I switched to Android from iOS and I do agree about the screen, camera and hardware but for me Android doesn't compare to iOS. If I wanted a phone that did as advertised and only that I would choose the iPhone but if I want more control and customizable options I would go with Android. But that's just me, for you the iPhone seems to satisfy.

Jacksonroh said:
more control and customizable options I would go with Android.
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That is a nice feature; being able to download ROMS and change them as you like I will agree. How much control do you need though? What options do you not have available on the iPhone that you will not live without?

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That is a nice feature; being able to download ROMS and change them as you like I will agree. How much control do you need though? What options do you not have available on the iPhone that you will not live without?
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Yea, I am all for customizations and like I said..I tweaked the heck out of it.. but the downside of constantly customizing is you gotta keep up with revisions, market updates, bugs etc... and pretty soon ...though the pleasure of tweaking is always there.. there is a setback to the user experience.
The one thing that I think (at this point) that I absolutely need is Widgets. Don't have that on an iphone.. and don't know if that is something I can live without.

I also came from IOS (albiet an iPod Touch). The only thing I say it beats android in is text selection. I can do everything in 1/5th the time it took me on iOS. I was VERY skeptical of Android and preferred an iPhone a year ago on Vzw. I was actually WAITING on it. I'm so glad it came this year instead of last. Now, I have absolutely ZERO desire to be sucked back into the problem that is Apple and their godlike stance over their customers.
Take that for what its worth I guess. I also have a Mac and used to love it. But after multiple times of it burning several hours of my weekend for simple things a PC did better and for free, I've become an avid "hater" of Apple (and I don't say that about many companies). They overprice everything, but they know their uses will blindly go and shell out money. Take music downloads -- iTunes may be easier to use than Amazon MP3 (before CloudDrive), but I've saved so much money over the years switching to Amazon. Lets not even go into their overrated hardware or the times where they can provide a feature but don't so they can add it in a year to make just one more money. Our Dinc's may not be top dog anymore, but at least the hardware is good enough to push us into next year and beyond.
Speaking of beyond... I'm thinking about making a security came out of Dinc when I get another phone. hehe
Jacksonroh said:
I switched to Android from iOS and I do agree about the screen, camera and hardware but for me Android doesn't compare to iOS. If I wanted a phone that did as advertised and only that I would choose the iPhone but if I want more control and customizable options I would go with Android. But that's just me, for you the iPhone seems to satisfy.
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I couldn't imagine a life without Android inspite all of my complaints...it'd been a love affair for the past 1 year..I do have an Ipad..which is a giant iphone without the phone...
So I bought a thunderbolt today with my employee discount.
.after swapping contracts with my wife.... for about 150 bucks.. and boy do I love it!.. I thought the display would not be as good as the droid incredible... but trust me it's a lot better...and a 1550 quadrant score out the box! I guess it's time to switch communities.... thanks for everything guys.
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Congrats on the TB! Lucky bastard

kriskmk said:
So I've been an avid follower of android over the past year.. rooting, trying different roms.. doing some adb programming.. coming up with some simple mods etc.. No question that Android is a tinkerer's paradise!
there are a few things that irk me about android in general.. which is not necessarily android's fault.
first and foremost there seems to be an alienation between the device manufacturers and android.. in the sense Android (with it's flavors) is probably the fastest OS to get obsolete by another flavor of itself. We have Sense 3.0 that is coming up in Summer.. Droid Incredible still hasn't seen any gingerbread or sense 2.5 development OFFICIALLY!..
True there are custom roms of the same available.. but it is patchy at best in terms of the whole android experience coming from the manufacturer. We all know the limitations of the Z-roms.. a lot of us are no fans of vanilla android and so on..
Lets face it.. the camera/ 720p recording on iphone 4 is unparalleled (try it first hand to believe it).. not to mention the display is gorgeous albeit smaller.
The OS integration with the hardware is very appealing with the iphone4.
I'm getting a little tired with the constantly changing android environment. I am equally miffed at the fact that many android devices including my Droid Inc are left alone to the user to be developed and enhanced. After a year of trying roms, keeping up with mods, working out bugs, testing etc.. I think my experience as a USER of the device.. is somewhat shadowed.
I'm thinking of making a jump to the Iphone where development is more organized compared to android.
I'm not an apple fan boy.. so please don't bash me if you don't like my post
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When I was still a T-Mobile customer, I had the 1st Android powered smartphone, the HTC Dream/G1. Boy did I love that phone. Once I rooted and started flashing I couldn't stop... After the HTC Magic/MyTouch 1.2 came out, I moved to that. The story was no different there. Roms, roms, and more roms. I moved to a BlackBerry for a time after that before finally giving up and leaving Magenta in favor of Big Red. Once there I had the LG Ally, and returned that after it overheated. In exchange I walked away with the OG Droid and loved it! Eventually, I moved to the Inc after acquiring the device through a 3rd party. Once the touch display stopped functioning I got the iPhone 4 out of necessity because the Thunderbolt was delayed, delayed, delayed. I loved my iPhone, the picture/video quality was superb. Facetime was nice, and the games... Geeze I miss Infinity Blade. Anyway, I soon became tired of the OS itself. The lack of customization was rather boring. I found myself spending more money in the Cydia store than Itunes. I was constantly buying themes and whatnot. After a time I could no longer cope without Android. I found the Thunderbolt on Craigslist and traded my used iPhone for the NEW Thunderbolt! I know this was a long post, and I expect to see the classic, "Cool story bro." comments. Long story short, do what makes you happy, make a decision and stick with it. Me? I'm an Android guy through and through.

ethan.r.besbris said:
When I was still a T-Mobile customer, I had the 1st Android powered smartphone, the HTC Dream/G1. Boy did I love that phone. Once I rooted and started flashing I couldn't stop... After the HTC Magic/MyTouch 1.2 came out, I moved to that. The story was no different there. Roms, roms, and more roms. I moved to a BlackBerry for a time after that before finally giving up and leaving Magenta in favor of Big Red. Once there I had the LG Ally, and returned that after it overheated. In exchange I walked away with the OG Droid and loved it! Eventually, I moved to the Inc after acquiring the device through a 3rd party. Once the touch display stopped functioning I got the iPhone 4 out of necessity because the Thunderbolt was delayed, delayed, delayed. I loved my iPhone, the picture/video quality was superb. Facetime was nice, and the games... Geeze I miss Infinity Blade. Anyway, I soon became tired of the OS itself. The lack of customization was rather boring. I found myself spending more money in the Cydia store than Itunes. I was constantly buying themes and whatnot. After a time I could no longer cope without Android. I found the Thunderbolt on Craigslist and traded my used iPhone for the NEW Thunderbolt! I know this was a long post, and I expect to see the classic, "Cool story bro." comments. Long story short, do what makes you happy, make a decision and stick with it. Me? I'm an Android guy through and through.
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Cool story broman.
I like a good Android plot-line.

POQbum said:
Cool story broman.
I like a good Android plot-line.
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I figured I'd get at least one. Ha!

In my opinion, stick with the Android. I just had an upgrade from Verizon and I figured what the heck, let me see what all this iPhone hype is all about. Well, after my first full day with the iPhone, the only thing I can find that the iPhone has over my Incredible, is the battery life. Gmail wouldn't push unless I used a workaround, you can't hide the keyboard, no separate volume controls for the ringer, email, and text, there is no back button to go back to an app you may have left, no trackball, no weather widget with clock, I sent a ringtone that I made through MMS and there is no option to save as ringtone,you can't share youtube videos through sms-only through email, and you are tied to stupid iTunes when adding pictures and media. Like I said, the ONLY reason I am keeping this iPhone, is for the battery life. When the Droid commercial says "Droid Does", they are telling the truth. I NEVER came across anything I tried on that phone that didn't do what I needed from it. Again, these are my opinions and I'm sure an iPhone fanboy will argue my points.

As many others, I too have extensive experience using both OSs daily.
Android makes a more usable phone. iOS makes a better tablet.

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