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What is wrong with people (RANT)

hold on to your horses, this is a long one:
Why is it that whenever someone picks up my phone they say, "its just like an iPhone" or "its an iPhone wannabe" or something along those lines. About the only thing the Evo has in common with the iPhone is a touchscreen and camera. One of my friends said it LOOKS like an iPhone. HOW?? It has red accents, a kickstand and something I think the iPhone lacks, character. Apple has a lock on the smartphone market for the average consumer, and it infuriates me. The Evo is, IMO light years ahead of the iPhone, as is Android as an operating system. iOS4 is just now starting to catch up to Android in terms of necessary features, and is still lacking in other departments.
With the announcement of iPhone 4, the ONLY thing that the iPhone does better is the display (I would still prefer the mammouth Evo screen), the battery (will have to wait for reviews to confirm) and camera. Also, I have to admit that the video editing on the fly capabilities are very slick. The thing that has pissed me off the most is the "revolutionary" video chat feature in the new iPhone. BULL! With the Evo, I can video chat ANYWHERE I want on a dependable network, not only when I'm tied down to a WiFi network.
I just wish people weren't so "OOOH iPhone" like. Don't get me wrong, Apple makes phenomenal products. I'm writing this on a Macbook Pro with my 2 iPods charging next to me. But I think people really limit themselves when it comes to the mobile market. The only thing I applaud about the iPhone is what it has done for products today, the Evo most likely would not be here today if not for the iPhone. I used my dads iPhone to download and play some random game, in the middle of the game he got a text message. I was absolutely amazed that there was no way to see what the message was without exiting out of my game on this "magical" device. It could've been an urgent SOS from my brother saying he was being held at gunpoint at a bank, or it could've been my mom asking if we had any milk left. How do people function like that???
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iPhone 4 is another letdown just like iPhone 3GS. I had the iPhone 3G and didn't upgrade to the 3GS because it was not enough to move me. Anyone who says Evo 4G is a iPhone lookalike is a fanboy.
They put the iPhone 4 display against the plain ol' background on a 3GS. How are you going to compare a background that's in grey to a black plain one. A real comparison would be a JB'n iPhone 3GS background with a background of the iPhone 4.
I'm open to new things and I will admit I jumped the on iPhone due to the hype. I soon became really bored with it and the fact that my phone would constantly go into safe mode. JB's iPhones are so unstable as far as crashing.

Honestly, the iPhone got so much attention because apple can afford to market it like a mofo.

They are going to deceive people with this whole retinal display BS. I will hand it to them that the built in GYRO is cool. I'm pretty sure there will be cool apps but still not interested in it let alone the price of owning one.
I had ridiculous amounts of drop calls that I still have nightmares. I find myself looking on my Evo screen when I hear silence just to make sure it didn't drop it. Thankfully I haven't dropped a call yet.

gqstatus0685 said:
They are going to deceive people with this whole retinal display BS. I will hand it to them that the built in GYRO is cool. I'm pretty sure there will be cool apps but still not interested in it let alone the price of owning one.
I had ridiculous amounts of drop calls that I still have nightmares. I find myself looking on my Evo screen when I hear silence just to make sure it didn't drop it. Thankfully I haven't dropped a call yet.
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You should be safe, I've never dropped a call on Sprint. When my Dad is working in NYC, its not even worth making the call. Even at the Indy 500 a couple weeks ago he couldn't complete a call. Nothing about it makes sense, it baffles me.
The developer community is incredibly strong, but even that argument doesn't hold up too well. Most good apps for iPhone have a Android app, or at least something comparable.
It makes sense none of us get it though, it is an Android board. We've seen the light

The only thing I applaud about the iPhone is what it has done for products today, the Evo most likely would not be here today if not for the iPhone. I used my dads iPhone to download and play some random game, in the middle of the game he got a text message. I was absolutely amazed that there was no way to see what the message was without exiting out of my game on this "magical" device. It could've been an urgent SOS from my brother saying he was being held at gunpoint at a bank, or it could've been my mom asking if we had any milk left. How do people function like that???
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Not that i'm defending the iphone or anything, but you can't really do anything about a text message without killing what your doing on an android phone either. Unless you have sms popup app http://www.appbrain.com/app/net.everythingandroid.smspopup

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Not that i'm defending the iphone or anything, but you can't really do anything about a text message without killing what your doing on an android phone either. Unless you have sms popup app http://www.appbrain.com/app/net.everythingandroid.smspopup
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I was more referring to the notification system in Android. In [almost] any app you get a little preview of what the message is and who sent it in the notification bar. It's not perfect, but worlds better than nothing.

Thats the power of Apples advertising. Everyone knows the iPhone. Its so bad that even "tech" people compare every phone to the iPhone.

booyakasha said:
I was more referring to the notification system in Android. In [almost] any app you get a little preview of what the message is and who sent it in the notification bar. It's not perfect, but worlds better than nothing.
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agreed, though then there's apps that are full screen

op, you're wrong.
iphone vs any other phone (best android phone at the moment) is very relevant. Both phones have a lot in common with each other with some key differences.

Well I did notice that the new iPhone seems to have taken some design cues from HTC, I remember when I first saw the leaked images of the new iPhone the first thing I thought was "hey, that looks like the HD2"
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The evo is a lot like the iPhone and without the iPhone we probably wouldn't have Android at all. We would be here still making windows mobile 6.1 roms.
I'm a big fan of Android, but give credit where credit is due. Apple created this industry, google ,ade it great, and Microsoft still hasn't shipped a significant update to their flagship mobile operating system.

The average person is an idiot.
The iphone can be successful used by 5 year olds.
Their success is entirely because if two thing. What it does it does well. KISS.

We all should thank Motorola (although they butchered the Android name).
They got the Android OS out there. They have marketed the Android heavily and I am glad.
But because of them, however, is why people call the Android system "Droid."

I guess the Apple fans can agree to disagree and they have that right. When it come to little touches I would have to give the edge to apple on it. I would have given another thought had it had a larger screen to really take advantage of that resolution. But in the grand scheme of things and Apples marketing process they wanted to be the worlds thinnest phone and claim longer battery life and this might not have been achievable with a 4 inch display. The Samsung galaxy is close at 9.9 mm. They added some perks to their software update and now claim to have made the best multitasking method for the mobile phones. We will have to see about that.
What I don't like it the many unfair claims towards the Evo for battery drain. I have not seen those numbers yet on my phone. So to all the journalist tech bloggers who reviewed the Evo please re-review them or correct your article because I only read a few that said "in all fairness the Apple iPhone 3gs lasted just as long". The battery has been what has hurt the Evo more than the 4G network in the reviews.

gthing said:
The evo is a lot like the iPhone and without the iPhone we probably wouldn't have Android at all. We would be here still making windows mobile 6.1 roms.
I'm a big fan of Android, but give credit where credit is due. Apple created this industry, google ,ade it great, and Microsoft still hasn't shipped a significant update to their flagship mobile operating system.
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I wouldn't go that far, I am pretty sure we have WinMo and PalmOS to thank for Android, considering Google purchased Android Inc. in 2005, back when the iPhone was just rumor and speculation.

If I were Google I would release Android 2.2 06/14/2010

My resoning is simple Iphone 4 is set up for pre purchase 06/15/2010. I think that would throw a wrench in Apples plan. I would run a few commercials on Tv like a bad politics campain Android does this and Iphone OS doesent do that. Maybe more people would jump on the Android bandwagon. Also wih AT&T's bad data plans why would anyone want an Iphone 4, with all the data I use I sure dont want to loose my unlimited data plan. I'm not Google so who knows whats going on.

kmacks27 said:
My reasoning is simple Iphone 4 is set up for pre purchase 06/15/2010. I think that would throw a wrench in Apples plan. I would run a few commercials on Tv like a bad politics campain Android does this and Iphone OS doesent do that. Maybe more people would jump on the Android bandwagon. Also wih AT&T's bad data plans why would anyone want an Iphone 4, with all the data I use I sure dont want to loose my unlimited data plan. I'm not Google so who knows whats going on.
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I dont think It will throw a wrench in Apples plans. I say this because theres average people out there that just care for the name "Iphone". So if google releases there update prior to that it wouldnt matter because theres alot of people out there that dont even know what froyo is. Nothing against android or anything of that nature because im android all the way. Its just that I dont see the effect of releasing it the day before since there arent too many "average" people out there that are aware of the update. thats just my opinion though.

If I were Google, I'd release it when it's ready and rid of bugs. I don't really think Google is concerned about the timing of iPhone 4 preorders. They just need to keep making quality products and people will see the light.

I see your point but maybe it would get the average user thinking. I did I had all the previous Iphones and thought apple was the greatest until I got tired of the same old stuff. I did some browsing about the nexus one and said maybe I'll jump ship. I jumped and never turned back I currently own 2 Nexus Ones for me and the wife who loves the phone.

Is true that HTC and Apple are competitors. But in my opinion each of them make 2 different cellphones that targets 2 different kinds of consumers. Allthough they share alot of the same functionallity i think they are WAY apart from eachother. I have had both side by side but i fall on HTC because of my personal opinion and the vast things you can do with the N1. BUT i do think Apple make a fine product and sports a phone with a funtionality that does work VERY well. The big difference is of course the open source vs not open source. I think HTC is way more forward on new functionalities while Apple does follow behind because honestly they haven't really done anything more innovative with their phone since they launched the iPhone. But the phone has what most people need. It contain a very stable OS that rarely fail on you, while we are never ending experimenting on combining kernels, radios and ROM's to get the best out of the N1. It's two different phones alltogether, just choose your side. I don't piss on anyone who ditches their HTC for a iPhone. To me Apple and HTC aren't really competitors. I think both does a good job with their products. It has always been the hassle about the End-User agreement all together.
So recently i have come to terms with these two companies that, whatever happens, what they do i don't give a friggin damn really. they both make fine products.
Because we really are geeks aren't we? that is why we love the N1/HTC and not iPhone

Predict the next set of Lotto numbers while you're here, please.

I agree, specially coz I cant wait for Froyo to come out. But IMO, timing the FroYo release prior to the iPhones pre purchase day will do very little or no effect. IPhone will always be most popular, Apple's marketing strategy is par to none. They attract a broad market of people from all walks of life. And since only a few percentage of the population are techies, most of us could care less about how great an open source device is, android's unlimited potential and the things it can do that the iPhone might not.
Although i would love to see Google/Android dominate the technology and phone industry, competition is always healthy for us consumers, and for as long as competition exist, we can all be assured our Nexus and our future android devices will always get better.

Bitbrit said:
Predict the next set of Lotto numbers while you're here, please.
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2-14-32-12 LOL Remember to box it

more and more this seems like a "nice guys finish last" story where Google is playing nice and apple is the confident Chad...
Google needs to step its game up

Who will win?

I don't know about your but it seems to me a looooot of blackberry people like my friends want the new iPhone.

Im currently eligable for new upgrades. Would like to get 2 but I dont want to dump the nexus one.

kmacks27 said:
Im currently eligable for new upgrades. Would like to get 2 but I dont want to dump the nexus one.
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If I'm not mistaken, AT&T bumped everyones eligibility to NOW (if you were set to be eligible in sometime 2010). My entire family is eligible now, but I don't want an iPhone, nor do I want to lose the unlimited plan I am on as of now.

Hmm I thought you can keep your plan? And that unlimited plan wouldn't be available to new customers only?
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If I'm not mistaken, AT&T bumped everyones eligibility to NOW (if you were set to be eligible in sometime 2010). My entire family is eligible now, but I don't want an iPhone, nor do I want to lose the unlimited plan I am on as of now.
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If I were Google I would have released Froyo on June 30, 2007 and then I would have kicked Steve Jobs in the balls just for the fun of it. This year, I would have released Android 3.5, Horchata, about 10 minutes ago because that's when I would have wanted to be playing with it.
If only Google was as awesome as me. Alas.

If I were Google I'd post on this forum and tell people to stop posting stupid threads like this. How many "My froyo release date prediction" threads do you really need on a single forum? Make a megathread or stfu already, no one cares when you think Google should do something.

If you were Google you should ignore threads like these. And concentrate on fixing whatever issues you currently have on FroYo and release it to the public ASAP. You should expect impatient people ranting here, after all this thread isn't violating any forum rules, and if it is, the MODs would've closed this already.
Mr. Google you shouldnt let little things frustrate you. Just saying
mlinz said:
If I were Google I'd post on this forum and tell people to stop posting stupid threads like this. How many "My froyo release date prediction" threads do you really need on a single forum? Make a megathread or stfu already, no one cares when you think Google should do something.
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mykenyc said:
I don't know about your but it seems to me a looooot of blackberry people like my friends want the new iPhone.
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You are right, i don't know why but blackberry users want the iphone. maybe there is a explenation for? why don't join the freedom

rjhay22 said:
I agree, specially coz I cant wait for Froyo to come out. But IMO, timing the FroYo release prior to the iPhones pre purchase day will do very little or no effect. IPhone will always be most popular, Apple's marketing strategy is par to none. They attract a broad market of people from all walks of life. And since only a few percentage of the population are techies, most of us could care less about how great an open source device is, android's unlimited potential and the things it can do that the iPhone might not.
Although i would love to see Google/Android dominate the technology and phone industry, competition is always healthy for us consumers, and for as long as competition exist, we can all be assured our Nexus and our future android devices will always get better.
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You're right about apples advertising, hands down the best in their field. Of course, google refuses to advertise on television so who knows whether they could compete. Personally I'd like to see what google could do on TV . Imagine what they could've done with the nexus if they tried. Its a really curious decision, I'm interested in Google's strategy of avoiding proven successful advertising techniques...that's why nexus sales don't phase me, because google didn't try to sell it so I'm convinced they didn't even really want to sell it. Maybe they wanted to get it out, then really push it when better features/updates came about. Oh well who knows, i could speculate all day. Anyway I still trust google knows what they're doing, for now at least...

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You're right about apples advertising, hands down the best in their field. Of course, google refuses to advertise on television so who knows whether they could compete. Personally I'd like to see what google could do on TV . Imagine what they could've done with the nexus if they tried. Its a really curious decision, I'm interested in Google's strategy of avoiding proven successful advertising techniques...that's why nexus sales don't phase me, because google didn't try to sell it so I'm convinced they didn't even really want to sell it. Maybe they wanted to get it out, then really push it when better features/updates came about. Oh well who knows, i could speculate all day. Anyway I still trust google knows what they're doing, for now at least...
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Didn't they release an iPhone-esque video online? Remember seeing 2 versions of it on here. Wasn't all that impressive to me... I think Google knows they're not ready to compete with iPhone just yet . Here's hoping the Nexus Two is a different story.

only 20% of android users?! BULLCRAP!

i stumbled across this story. dunno if its been posted in other threads in this site but since im primarily a nexus one owner, ill post it here. look:
http://www.businessinsider.com/77-o...other-versus-just-20-of-android-owners-2010-7 only 20% of android users would buy another while 77% percent would buy another iphone? thats crap. i love android and this is coming from an ex iphone 1st gen, iphone 3g and iphone 3gs. android blows the iphone out the water with android 2.2. how can so many of us android users be unsatisfied with android? how many of you guys would buy another android device? i myself got my eye on the droid x but idk. its pretty hard to leave my nexus one
okay as someone asked i copied and pasted the article so no need to go to the actual site:
"Customer loyalty is definitely one of Apple's advantages versus most of its rivals in the smartphone market.
The latest evidence: A Yankee Group survey summarized on CNNMoney (via Daring Fireball) saying that 77% of iPhone owners say they'll buy another iPhone, versus just 20% of Google Android customers who say they'll buy another Android phone.
That's a huge difference!
For now, it could be attributed to the early, half-baked state of many Android devices out there -- we assume the customer satisfaction for newer devices like the HTC Droid Incredible and Nexus One is much stronger than that of, say, the original HTC G1.
And, of course, it's quite possible that those people who don't plan to buy another Android phone will buy one anyway, just because it's the best-available smartphone at their carrier, price, or other factors.
But still -- this is a platform war we're at the beginning of, and Google needs to work with its handset partners to make sure Android is a good (and as "sticky") as possible.
(We assume BlackBerry maker RIM has also had very strong loyalty over the years, but it's not mentioned in the article.)"

Lol thas complete bs. I was the former owner of the iPhone 3g and 3gs and since i switched to android i've had eris, droid 1, N1, incedible, and now droid x, having said that, the only one i would choose the iphone over is the eris. I read a similar article on droid life one time but the loyalty to android was actually in the 80s that must be a apple fanboy blog.
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Yep, Pure BS! Some iphonie fan wrote it...

All I see is the numbers, nothing about how they surveyed the people, how many people, and so on. I find that very hard to believe that 80% wouldn't buy another android phone. The iphone % I believe, since pretty much if you own an iphone you buy one every year, or you realise the mistake you made and move to another platform. Oh well, all the press is good news, Android is a viable enemy to iOS and the media and everyone else knows this now. You wouldn't have a survey even done if it wasn't.

Well I had the g1 for 2 years, and towards the end it really started to suck. It didn't have enough memory to run basic framework plus minimal applications. I always had Maps turning off the traffic due to low memory, and traffic checks are maybe the thing I use most often. ( I had ZERO anything on my homescreen as well, no apps, widgets, clocks, nada)
I went to iphone... HUGE mistake obviously (I could have figured it would be since I left iphone for android, but I thought I would give the 3GS a shot)
Then I came to the Nexus One and its uncomparable to either of these phones. If you are using a G1 on android 1.6 you really won't learn what Android is capable of, and you won't learn unless you get on a different device. Once I got to use the N1 and learn all the features of android, the G1 became more capable because I learned what it was trying to imitate. Widgets are one of the main features that make Android the winner. G1 Donut and hero/n1 Eclair are a Night and Day difference for me, and FroYo is amazing with the Dalvik cache and wifi-tether.
So, basically the majority of the people that say they would leave are on the g1 (or a similar, entry type) and don't really know what it is that they are missing.
Oh yea, and the article is BS...

adambenjamin said:
Well I had the g1 for 2 years, and towards the end it really started to suck. It didn't have enough memory to run basic framework plus minimal applications. I always had Maps turning off the traffic due to low memory, and traffic checks are maybe the thing I use most often. ( I had ZERO anything on my homescreen as well, no apps, widgets, clocks, nada)
I went to iphone... HUGE mistake obviously (I could have figured it would be since I left iphone for android, but I thought I would give the 3GS a shot)
Then I came to the Nexus One and its uncomparable to either of these phones. If you are using a G1 on android 1.6 you really won't learn what Android is capable of, and you won't learn unless you get on a different device. Once I got to use the N1 and learn all the features of android, the G1 became more capable because I learned what it was trying to imitate. Widgets are one of the main features that make Android the winner. G1 Donut and hero/n1 Eclair are a Night and Day difference for me, and FroYo is amazing with the Dalvik cache and wifi-tether.
So, basically the majority of the people that say they would leave are on the g1 (or a similar, entry type) and don't really know what it is that they are missing.
Oh yea, and the article is BS...
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i agree. if youre under 2.0, you wont experience the full android experience. to get the best feeling, 2.2 would be the one. this is where fragmentation is the issue

What really urks me is that there is not explination of the numbers, in either article they only say the numbers, not how the numbers were gathered or who was surveyed, as far as I am concerned the statement
"Android is the greatest mobile OS ever, iPhone cant even compare"
is just as plausible given the lack of evidence to support either my statement or their numbers.

Wow. As a show of how intelligent the sites readers are the whole comments section or an argument between fanboys in who will have more market share (the android guys side) and more profit ( the ios guys side).

This its probably true, if they took a sampling from att base. Att has ****ty android examples.

This is nosense.
As good old WM (6.x.x) is fading and WP7 won't compatible with older applications, I finally made a move and migrated to Android.
The first Android phone is nexus one, then you can imagine how high expectation I have with Android, and generally I think I made a right move.
Other than N8 (S60 cubic), the future smartphones will be Android 2.2+ based.

I love my n1 and would definitely get another android phone, once my nexus one dies or something worthwhile comes along to put my n1 into retirement.
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What really pisses me off about this, is that there isn't A SINGLE BIT OF PROOF, no statistics, no evidence, no survey reports, nothing. And this thing is spreading, its the Android 3.0 rumors all over again, unsubstantiated rumors running freely on the internet, and no one is asking the necessary questions.

One question: why are we driving traffic to their site? Copy/paste the content and post it in your OP, then I might read it.

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What really pisses me off about this, is that there isn't A SINGLE BIT OF PROOF, no statistics, no evidence, no survey reports, nothing. And this thing is spreading, its the Android 3.0 rumors all over again, unsubstantiated rumors running freely on the internet, and no one is asking the necessary questions.
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73% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Sounds like MS or Apple funded FUD to me. Or a clueless fanboi.

I just converted 3 people to android fanatics in the past month. And with the aria and captivate out for att I'm getting more people on the boat for it. My sister is far from technologically inclined and she still thinks her aria is easier and better than the iphone she almost bought.

I'm willing to guess that 100% of people at this forum would buy Android again We are hardly what I would consider an unbias source as we are browsing Android forums, clearly we love our devices.

I had a G1 for a year and LOVED it. Have had my Nexus One for around 2 months and I LOVE IT as well. If there was a Nexus 2, Id pick it up FOR SURE.
Too bad Google wont be doing another one. But that new 2ghz Motorola Android phone coming this winter sure sounds nice.
And yes, that article is PURE BS.

Dai323 said:
I had a G1 for a year and LOVED it. Have had my Nexus One for around 2 months and I LOVE IT as well. If there was a Nexus 2, Id pick it up FOR SURE.
Too bad Google wont be doing another one. But that new 2ghz Motorola Android phone coming this winter sure sounds nice.
And yes, that article is PURE BS.
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Eh, the article isn't pure BS. Obviously if you bring this article to Android forums you are going to find that a vast majority of the people will call the article BS and say they love their Android phone. The same thing applies if someone were to post this very article on Apple forums, people would agree and say they love their iPhone. Fan-sites for devices are the most bias corners of the internet.
Just because many people here love their Android phones doesn't just mean the article is BS. Thats one thing everyone needs to remember: anyone posting on a fan-oriented forum/site is going to have a bias toward their hardware. They are also the vocal MINORITY. 99% of customers never ever post on a website or forum about how much they love their phone. Thus, people on sites like these represent a tiny fraction of the real market opinion.
Also, CNN Money ran the same story: http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/23/technology/iphone_4_att/index.htm?section=money_latest

I was using windows mobile for a long time until finally making the move to android with the nexus one. I have no regrets, either. When Windows Phone 7 releases, though, I will probably move to them. And if they can't keep up pace with apps/updates/ect, I'll be back on Android. I wont be buying any Apple products ever. I do not like the way they do business.

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Eh, the article isn't pure BS. Obviously if you bring this article to Android forums you are going to find that a vast majority of the people will call the article BS and say they love their Android phone. The same thing applies if someone were to post this very article on Apple forums, people would agree and say they love their iPhone. Fan-sites for devices are the most bias corners of the internet.
Just because many people here love their Android phones doesn't just mean the article is BS. Thats one thing everyone needs to remember: anyone posting on a fan-oriented forum/site is going to have a bias toward their hardware. They are also the vocal MINORITY. 99% of customers never ever post on a website or forum about how much they love their phone. Thus, people on sites like these represent a tiny fraction of the real market opinion.
Also, CNN Money ran the same story: http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/23/technology/iphone_4_att/index.htm?section=money_latest
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Fair enough, but XDA isnt ONLY Android developement. As Android got off to a slow start, I would think its very fair to say that people who purchased Android phones in the past year (Droid, Nexus, Evo, Desire, ect) would be VERY likely to purchase another Android phone.
And Id be willing to bet it would be alot more than 20%.

So I showed my evo to a friend....

And I realized why most people find it hard to use smartphones other than the iPhone. It is not based around the concept of 'iPhone is naturally easier because it just WORKS' but more along the lines of people have this notion that smartphones SHOULD behave/look like the iPhone.
For instance, when I showed my friend my Evo he looked at the screen and said "Where are the apps?" I said I only keep a few on the main screen that I use frequently such as SMS/Phone/Voicemail/Dropbox etc but the rest are in the app drawer. He said "Yeah... but that's gay they should all be on the screens" after switching from screen to screen only to find a few apps here and there I realized that people are accustomed to the clutter and confusion of iOS rather than the simplicity and organization of Android. It really seems counter intuitive to me. While the iPhone is a ****ing AMAZING phone (whoever says otherwise is a fanboy) it definitely loses in some areas to Android but people base their standards off the iOS which is a clear bias. I never knew how much of a grasp Apple has on the smartphone industry until this event. Coming from a Blackberry and having owned an iPod I found the transitions to be seamless but I also worked at IT for a long duration.
The conclusion I reached was that the notion of Android is harder to use because you need to be a geek to understand it is also false. Android is not more difficult to use, it is just different in itself. Turning on wifi on an iPhone is the same process. Downloading an APP is the same as well. Making phone calls and sending texts are identical. Hopefully we can see a growth in smartphone technologies that embrace the BEST possible user experience which I believe goes to Android for their sheer volume of phones as well as operating system capabilities.

Sounds like your describing that evo vs. iphone video on youtube and your friend is the character repeating "I don't care".
Are you happy with your device? Does it do what you want the way you want?
You are all that matters....
good day.

Kinda... but its not utter stupidity - more ignorance. What I am trying to say is that the iPhone has been the epitome of what a touchscreen smartphone SHOULD look and behave like.
I enjoy Android but I honestly got the Evo because of Sprints plan coupled in with unlimited bandwidth was a great money saving choice for a smart phone. Also, the fact that I can roam on Verizon meant I could get signal where an iPhone could not.
Honestly though, if I could get an iPhone on Sprints network with unlimited data + tethering as I do now for under $80 I would jump on that offer. Really love that phone and the game development is skyrocketing. I do enjoy the Evo, however. Cant complain about its amazing screen size and custom roms I can put in. Also the free tethering is nice

I guess your conclusion also explains why in every smartphone review, the iPhone is mentioned several times also.

Yup. Now if only we could get that phone out of the ATT deathgrip.

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Yup. Now if only we could get that phone out of the ATT deathgrip.
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So you do want the iphone...
I'm not surprised that the iphone is the standard - there are a lot more of them than any other smartphone. And they're very nice phones.
That said, I much prefer my evo. Even if the iphone became available outside AT&T, I'm sticking with android. While the iphone has more games (and fart apps), android allows more customization. I'm also not limited to a single controlled app market. Finally, my aging eyes love the large screen.

My girlfriend has a mytouch slide and after having the phone for a week I was showing her how to use it and she didn't even realize there was a menu button. You miss out on an awful lot without using that button lol.
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People forget that the average Joe is a moron.

bigmoogle said:
So you do want the iphone...
I'm not surprised that the iphone is the standard - there are a lot more of them than any other smartphone. And they're very nice phones.
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Pretty sure the BB curve still holds the crown.
That said, I am moving my mom from her BB curve to an EVO in December. I'll do the same with the EVO that I did with the curve. I will set it up so everything she wants is on the home screens. I'll give it a nice, clean look and make sure the fonts are right, etc.
She wants it for the big screen, not because it is fast, customizable, or anything else.

TheBiles said:
People forget that the average Joe is a moron.
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Or completely uninterested in technology. I'm sure there are plenty of people with brains and advanced degrees that could not care much less about stuff that is possible with their phone.

TheBiles said:
People forget that the average Joe is a moron.
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I prefer: Common sense is not that common.
I agree with the OP 100%. People are creatures of habit and don't realize that in the same way a PC differs from a MAC, an Android phone will differ from iOS based phone. I think that people will buy anything that has a lower case "i" in front of it just because Apple found a niche in the way they advertise. I don't have a problem with their products. My beef with them is based on their communist approach to business and the fact that they don't care about their customers.
Personally, I have never nor will I ever buy anything Apple. It has nothing to do with being an Android fan-boy so much as it is about being an Apple hater. lol Although I will say that my first experience with Android has left me wanting to kick myself for not switching over sooner.

rugedraw said:
I prefer: Common sense is not that common.
I agree with the OP 100%. People are creatures of habit and don't realize that in the same way a PC differs from a MAC, an Android phone will differ from iOS based phone. I think that people will buy anything that has a lower case "i" in front of it just because Apple found a niche in the way they advertise. I don't have a problem with their products. My beef with them is based on their communist approach to business and the fact that they don't care about their customers.
Personally, I have never nor will I ever buy anything Apple. It has nothing to do with being an Android fan-boy so much as it is about being an Apple hater. lol Although I will say that my first experience with Android has left me wanting to kick myself for not switching over sooner.
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I'm nebenezer and I approve this message
I made the terrible mistake of buying my g/f an iPod nano about a year ago. I really should have known better but she really wanted it. I got her hooked on Android with her Hero last Dec and she is now enamored with her EVO. My current challenge is I'm trying to convince her to let me see if I can hit her iPod with a .50 cal round at about 400 yards.
I'd settle for using my AR at 200 yards but the .50 would be so much more gratifying

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I made the terrible mistake of buying my g/f an iPod nano about a year ago. I really should have known better but she really wanted it. I got her hooked on Android with her Hero last Dec and she is now enamored with her EVO. My current challenge is I'm trying to convince her to let me see if I can hit her iPod with a .50 cal round at about 400 yards.
I'd settle for using my AR at 200 yards but the .50 would be so much more gratifying
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Bwahaha! My girl wanted an iPod for her birthday a few years back, and when she opened the box, there was a Zune in it. She looked at me as if I had just said something about her momma. After a week, she was loving it. She was able to remove that resource-hungry iTunes software from her computer (she had it on there because of an iPod Shuffle she previously was using but broke), and it made her computer faster, too.
If you ever take the .50 cal to the iPod, make sure you use the Evo to capture the event.

rugedraw said:
Bwahaha! My girl wanted an iPod for her birthday a few years back, and when she opened the box, there was a Zune in it. She looked at me as if I had just said something about her momma. After a week, she was loving it. She was able to remove that resource-hungry iTunes software from her computer (she had it on there because of an iPod Shuffle she previously was using but broke), and it made her computer faster, too.
If you ever take the .50 cal to the iPod, make sure you use the Evo to capture the event.
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Yeah, I got it for her but with the caveat that it could only ever make a usb connection with HER COMPUTER.
I think I'll have to actually get her a raplacement before she'll give it up. I'm thinking either a Zune or a 16gb microsd card for her EVO.
Also, rest assured if I ever do get her iPod out to the range.. the event will be captured and shared

iPhone is a bit too easy and locked down for my tastes. I like being able to apply themes, change my Home app, etc. I think that alone makes Android look much better than iPhone. My iPhone friend who is an Apple fanboy agrees that the Android setup is much better and widgets are awesome.
Icons on icons is ugly to me. It's almost insulting.

nebenezer said:
Yeah, I got it for her but with the caveat that it could only ever make a usb connection with HER COMPUTER.
I think I'll have to actually get her a raplacement before she'll give it up. I'm thinking either a Zune or a 16gb microsd card for her EVO.
Also, rest assured if I ever do get her iPod out to the range.. the event will be captured and shared
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Zune HD ftw. I have had a 16 gig since launch day. Sexy screen, light and portable, and best of all the battery life is ****ing outstanding. Also, the best music browsing/playability out of any device to date.

Yea, the Zune is pretty. Although to be honest, I would invest in a 32GB SD card for my Evo and use that instead of using two separate devices. While the UI of the Zune is pretty, I wouldn't spend the money on it when I have a phone I already carry with me all the time that can do the same thing.

werxen said:
Zune HD ftw. I have had a 16 gig since launch day. Sexy screen, light and portable, and best of all the battery life is ****ing outstanding. Also, the best music browsing/playability out of any device to date.
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Look dude, I'm not trying to start more shiz in another one of your threads.. I'm appalled by your behavior in your WTF WIFI?!?! thread, but that's another story. I'm asking you politely to check your language. You could have just as, if not more effectively covered your point without dropping an f-bomb.. Again, not trying to start shiz.
I have no experience with zune but everyone I know that has one LOVES it, and several of them have models that are OOOLLLDDD, so that says something to me about build quality. On the other hand, a big sdcard full of music would conveniently negate the need for another device to purchase and keep charged, but would likely mean I'd have to hook her up with another battery or two or an extended battery. Oh what a dilemma, now I have to research and purchase more technology

nebenezer said:
Look dude, I'm not trying to start more shiz in another one of your threads.. I'm appalled by your behavior in your WTF WIFI?!?! thread, but that's another story. I'm asking you politely to check your language. You could have just as, if not more effectively covered your point without dropping an f-bomb.. Again, not trying to start shiz.
I have no experience with zune but everyone I know that has one LOVES it, and several of them have models that are OOOLLLDDD, so that says something to me about build quality. On the other hand, a big sdcard full of music would conveniently negate the need for another device to purchase and keep charged, but would likely mean I'd have to hook her up with another battery or two or an extended battery. Oh what a dilemma, now I have to research and purchase more technology
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Okay fine lets agree to be police to so others don't have to deal with it.
I was thinking about getting an SD card for my Evo but the only crappy thing is I want to carry my music around in places that I don't want to take my phone like the gym. Not only are phones prohibited in some gyms, I couldn't bear to accidentally drop a weight on my phone or get too sweaty and short it out etc etc. Although I love my Zune and it cost me as much as my Evo did, it is not nearly the same device as far as capabilities.
Plus, another thing with the Evo is you don't really need an extra sd card. Just setup Dropbox accounts and you're good to go. I have all my music on dropbox and I just stream it perfectly.

Not to hijack, but I also have a dropbox account. How are you streaming music to your evo?
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Apple insider rips android a new one, retains its childish fanboy charm.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...till_half_baked_next_to_iphone_app_store.html
Quite the entertaining read, I applaud the degree of smugness, I could never be so pretentious towards something. It is apple insider though so take it worth a grain of salt.
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hrmm android market is changing to 15 minute refunds instead of 24 hours huh?
That sucks

skydeaner said:
hrmm android market is changing to 15 minute refunds instead of 24 hours huh?
That sucks
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This is correct.

Currently the Android market is the only app store that has a refund policy. webOS, OVI store, BB store, and app store do not have one. So at least we have one at all, gives us an advantage. Reading that article from Appleinsider does not surprise me, they have been criticized for bad articles for a long time. Apple fanboys seem to be the worst of all the platform fanboys.

While the app store is a much better experience in my opinion, I don't understand why they boast that you can download apps up to 2GB in size on a device that has no expandable memory option?

nukedukem said:
While the app store is a much better experience in my opinion, I don't understand why they boast that you can download apps up to 2GB in size on a device that has no expandable memory option?
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It's really no big deal. You can buy a new one each year with more geebees.

I will never understand why people would want to read something so biased.
Doesn't matter what side it's biased to.

Blitzpwnage said:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...till_half_baked_next_to_iphone_app_store.html
Quite the entertaining read, I applaud the degree of smugness, I could never be so pretentious towards something. It is apple insider though so take it worth a grain of salt.
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haters gonna' hate but most of what they say is still mostly true.

nukedukem said:
While the app store is a much better experience in my opinion, I don't understand why they boast that you can download apps up to 2GB in size on a device that has no expandable memory option?
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The EVO has something like 300 MB of internal free space for apps. Froyo's move to SD feature doesn't move the entire app to the SD, just non essential, storage type of app data. So even if you have a 32 GB SD card, you'll still eventually be hosed by the limited internal memory. You could root and modify to completely move the apps to the SD card but it's not perfect and it only benefits the 1% of users who know about rooting.
The iPhone on the other hand has a 32GB version without that limitation.

True, it does contain facts. Unfortunately, they are buried deeply under all of the overly opinionated bs. I mean, they are pretty much saying that its a nice little facelift and all, but the app store will always be better because its made by Apple, and we all know that anything Apple makes must be the best thing ever, assuming you're holding it right of course.
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Yeah most articles contain facts, somewhere, that doesn't make the obvious bias acceptable by any means.

And they neglect to mention the fact that, without root, you are free to download to, and install apps straight from, your computer...thus bypassing many of the complaints in the article.

How anyone can criticize Android for being "fragmented" then ignore that apple has taken the easy way out convincing a nearly blind mass that one device is "the best" and that it's not bizarre for everyone to carry around the exact same phone.. is beyond me.
Who knows, maybe apple isn't the only company trying to take over the world, but at least Google is giving anyone a shot at helping shape the Android experience.

Dear God, I really don't know how these people even walk around. Doesn't it physically hurt to be that much of a pretentious ass?
Mini-rant -
Almost every Android user can admit that the iPhone is pretty cool and has some neat features, while enjoying their own flavor of Android phone. However, I have only met ONE iPhone owner who has ever strayed from the path that Steve Jobs laid down for them and admitted that Android has it's own merits and advantages over iOS.
It's frustrating trying to have an intelligent conversation with an indoctrinated brick wall about the differences and awesomeness of both phones.

Good comedy on a slow morning. More facts were omitted than mentioned. Apple's invisible acceptance criteria for their own apps was totally ignored. Your app needs to benefit the future pov to be accepted. Can't blame him, the gui battle was painful.
Back on topic, it seems that itunes is the future hinge pin for apples' added capability. It offers an umbrella for moving content. So e-books and data and executables are all mac cloud by itunes.
So in as much as I have the utmost respect for apple, small minded blogs are really quite funny and indicate where the blind spots are.

Many years ago I learned to never discuss your competition unless they were a real threat and you were trying to divert attention away from your shortcomings by pointing out theirs.
We should consider it a compliment that a self proclaimed high end @pple resource found the need to dedicate time and bandwidth to defend their product by attacking ours.

And since Tom Tom was mentioned, who needs to buy a nav program for their phones these days? Oh, that's right, iPhone users do! Falling behind there, aren't they? I'll use my free nav and if I need something with on board maps,? I'll buy a whole PNA for around the price of the app. Apple has fallen far behind Android in navigation. I don't know how they can possibly catch up.
See how that works?
The problem with big games on the Android side is that there's been no equivalent to the iPod Touch and for the last 7 months, the dPad . The limited battery life off a modern smartphone still make it a relatively poor high power gaming platform. I bet without the Touch (and to a small part dPad), John Carmack wouldn't be talking favorably about the iPhone either. With the avalanche of tablets about to overtake us, that whole landscape may change. Meanwhile, we always have the Apple marketing created FUD that spews from their fanboi network to enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q2vjMeEquoand how many rappers make videos about the iphone? Lets see... none.
lets see how about the EVO... tons such as/....
http://www.goodandevo.net/2010/09/hd-music-video-shot-with-htc-evo-4g.html[/URL]

I personally can say from expierence when I was looking for a new phone the two phones I had in mind was the HTC EVO and the Iphone4 . I looked over both providers (Sprint vs AT&T) and compared prices and such . At the start of it all both phones were neck and neck for me . Then the Apple antenna issue popped up , I stepped back and watched how Apple would handle the situation , still keeping the HTC EVO in the back of my mind . After watching Steve Jobs talk about how users were holding thier phones wrong and how it was actually AT&T's fault due to their network it became a total finger pointing fight . Mean while the HTC EVO was still sitting there in my mind with very few issues besides a issue with battery life . After doing more research I found the Iphone also suffered from battery life issues itself . Months prior to its release the iphone was said to be having a removable battery , that feature never came to be when it was released . Long story short , Apple changing the removable battery idea and the Steve Jobs blow out It pretty much pointed me straight to Sprint and the HTC EVO . Ever since then I have never been happier , but I still see videos of apple owners who litterally look like zombies when talking about apple products . Hell the woman who activated my phone at Bestbuy had a iphone 3G and her words were "The iphone4 is awesome I must have it , Im going to get one" . Granted the statement alone wasnt funny but the fact he eyes litterally buldged out and glazed over was the killer part .To add further insult to injury , there was a small crowd of Iphone4 owners there was well when I got mine . I over heard comments like this "Ohh you wont drop calls if you hold it like this." "No you are holding it wrong hold it like this" . I was littlerally besides myself laughing my ass off listening to the whole conversation . Apple owners might consider us Android owners lower than them , but I can say this much Id much rather be with the lower crowd then in that crowd ROFL

uniquenameevo said:
It's really no big deal. You can buy a new one each year with more geebees.
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Just like Apple intended!