I've read all post in this board.
but i can't quite understand if lag is really there, if it shows only in certain phone(say carrier,geographical area etcetc) or whatever...
reading random post here and here doesn't give precise informations about this aspect of the hero's user experience.
So i'll make a poll. 4 options of lag-tollerability.
if you vote for the poll, reply describing details of the phone, and a precise description of the lag(where, when, app open...)
ps
I'm italian so sorry for my dodgy english.
I'm going to refrain from voting until I have a better idea of what precisely people mean by lag.
The only slightly slow thing on my G2 has been the messages - sometimes there has been a bit of a delay opening the list of messages, threads etc.
Today, I waited for all of about..........four whole seconds.
I can live with that.
None of the phone's other functions have any appreciable delay or sluggishness.
It's worth noting, however, that I don't use the Farcebook or Twatter widgits, so I don't know if they cause any lag on other poster's phones.
Compare this to my Vario III/Kaiser which seized up on regular occasions.
And if you had the temerity to hit the 'back' button whilst using PIE, well, it was sometimes quicker to do a soft reset than wait for it to get its arse into gear.
That's the feedback i was looking for.
in my opinion you are in the second option of the pool.
Because it's normal that some application need loading time, and that's not lag nor abnormal..
I voted no lag, but that is because of some modifications I made.
Before I go into detail, here is my definition of "lag":
My device lags if an action that should be instant hangs for a fraction (or more) before taking place. An example of such an action is a screen swipe across the homescreen. It should happen as you perform the swipe, if it doesn't, something is lagging and preventing the screen from moving. Waiting for a calendar to load, an inbox to display, logging in to messenger, that sort of stuff is in my view not lagging. They are usualy an action that loads data for display or modification.
I voted for No lag at all, but I cheated because I have removed the entire Sense UI and its widgets from my device using the Rosie remover from Modaco.
The Sense UI is a great piece of work, but every time I used it I had the feeling the Hero just doesnt have the horsepower to drive such a UI. (Which fits my description of lagging)
So, lagging: No, but only after cheating and reverting to the default Homescreen.
I voted totally no, but it's not exactly true. The phone can sometimes lag abit while it's loading up from sleep mode, also the browser can lag depending on which sites you visit. But both of those examples are very minor and I have never had the phone freeze for more than a second.
Sure the phone could be faster, but when I got it, and after hearing about it's laggyness from reviews I was supprised of how fast it was.
I use the default ROM that came with the phone, and taskkiller isn't even installed.
I have a couple of complaints about this device but lag isn't one of them.
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I voted totally no, but it's not exactly true. The phone can sometimes lag abit while it's loading up from sleep mode, also the browser can lag depending on which sites you visit. But both of those examples are very minor and I have never had the phone freeze for more than a second.
Sure the phone could be faster, but when I got it, and after hearing about it's laggyness from reviews I was supprised of how fast it was.
I use the default ROM that came with the phone, and taskkiller isn't even installed.
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I experience the same thing, I've had doubts on buying the new diamond 2 or the hero, since i've had the diamond 1 for a while I decided to try the android thingy.
Compared to that the diamond lives in the stoneages and experiences lot's of lag, my hero sometimes hesitates when coming out of sleep and when I just refreshed the widget's (got new mail ore weather update) it lags a tiny bit, but I don't consider the hero to lag overall so I voted option 2
Typing quickly makes the keyboard lag quite alot which always winds me up.
Scrolling through contacts is very clunky (maybe due to all of them having pictures and facebook status'). But then again dont offer the feature if its crap.
Messages takes too long to load up.
BAM!
Biffert said:
I voted no lag, but that is because of some modifications I made.
Before I go into detail, here is my definition of "lag":
My device lags if an action that should be instant hangs for a fraction (or more) before taking place. An example of such an action is a screen swipe across the homescreen. It should happen as you perform the swipe, if it doesn't, something is lagging and preventing the screen from moving. Waiting for a calendar to load, an inbox to display, logging in to messenger, that sort of stuff is in my view not lagging. They are usualy an action that loads data for display or modification.
I voted for No lag at all, but I cheated because I have removed the entire Sense UI and its widgets from my device using the Rosie remover from Modaco.
The Sense UI is a great piece of work, but every time I used it I had the feeling the Hero just doesnt have the horsepower to drive such a UI. (Which fits my description of lagging)
So, lagging: No, but only after cheating and reverting to the default Homescreen.
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Did you keep any aspects of Sense UI intact? I don't know what is tied to it as far as the keyboard and music player?
Totally no for me. I thought about 'More of a slight delay' but that would be less accurate, as for the most part things happen very quickly. The keyboard has been known to miss a beat, and large pdf files take a minimum of time to load up the pages as you scroll, but apart from the expected delay in processing intensive tasks, generally I've been pretty amazed at the speed of the thing to be honest. If I was to say the Hero lagged, I'd have to say my PC lagged aswell. Some things do take time. You're not gonna load up a 5Mb pdf instantaneously on the iPhone either.
To completely remove delay or lag from a phone you'd need processing power far beyond that normally required by the software, which isn't practical.
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Did you keep any aspects of Sense UI intact? I don't know what is tied to it as far as the keyboard and music player?
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Only the visible parts have been removed such as HTC widgets and the homescreen itself. The apps still work great (calendar, people, keyboard, etc). The background services are still present.
Just a bit of delay between switching screens and once in a while I do encounter keystroke lag when typing on eBuddy and RoadSync email - rarely any keyboard lag when texting.
I've been trying out some bits and pieces over the past couple of days and have noticed some serious performance differences.
After my factory reset I didn't set an 'unlock code' with the connect the dots dealy, this has made a massive difference to the performance of my phone. Also, as I'm with Vodafone, I didn't bother setting up Peep, I opted for Twidroid instead. Without peep on a home 'scene' I've got a performance boost too. Twidroid is still running in the background, mind and I don't miss a tweet!
Just thought I'd chime in and see if anyone else had noticed the same.
No lag at all here with anything yet, tried a few different configurations. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones, but looks like the new update will sort out any lag in the next few days?
No lag for me, sometimes you have to wait a second but compare to my last phone (HTC Diamond) it's just black and white.
The diamond was buggy and slow. The hero is fast, I never had a freeze and Android is the best OS I never tried!
This is my first touch screen, and first android phone, so of course im constantly impressed with it. Blows my mind in fact.
That said, I do experience lag problems:
- that require me to use Taskiller to kill everything once in a while if ive been using to many difference apps.
- Keyboard lag when typing fast. More noticeable if apps are piled up in the background
- Sliding between home screens straight after unlocking the screen. Seems like once they screens are 'buffered' they slide smoothly and quickly. FYI i only use 3 home screens with only the clock, dialer, Taskiller and WIFI widget. Rest is plain app shortcut icons.
- Dialer widget. Sliding through favourite contacts is sloooow. Take a second or two to start moving, and as aboive, once I've slid all the way up and down and its 'buffered' its smooth as silk...
I voted for Sometimes is unusable.
First week I used TasKiller and Advanced Task Killer (great app btw!) to kill unnecessary apps running, and I was very pleased with the performance. Next week I uninstalled all third party task killer apps because I read here that Android should be very capable of handling these things. Well in my experience, I doesn't handle this all too well, I think now my device is lagging more than with me using task killers.
Lagging here means screen unresponsive when unlocking, not being able to drag notifications bar to properly view what's there, home screen switching is not so smooth etc. I'm only using Wi-Fi & other ON/OFF switches, medium weather app, couple of calendar widgets and bunch of shortcuts on my home screen. Only FB contacts are integrated, I'm not on Twitter or Flickr.
Just today I started using class 6 microSD card, and for now, everything seems pretty smooth. But I did remove the battery before doing this so it might not be so dramatic change compared to previous experience. Waiting eagerly for the new Hero update!
Only Sense is slow sometimes
Sometimes (once or twice a day) it definately lags. But it seems only a "Sense" issue. When it happens, for example the scrolling is not smooth anymore and the "SMS" Widget stops working properly (you can't flip trough the messages anymore).
But if I enter any Application, the App. itself works smooth and without any lags at all.
Strange thing is: after a couple of minutes (and it doesn't matter if the phone is turned on or not) the lag disappears totally. Maybe theres is some sort of "memory-rearrangement" or "Disk defragmentation" going on that slows the phone down while running.
it's worth noting as well that whether or not there are any "issues" it's always possible to make the phone lag - playing high-bit-rate-music while trying to browse a flash website will do it, for example - but that's only because the phone doesn't artificially limit what you can do
Does anyone know if widgets have any major impact on overall phone performance? I know they must take up some performance but does anyone notice any difference when they disable particular widgets or perhaps other objects? Just curious what everyone's take on this is. Any problem widgets for people would be greatly appreciated for future knowledge.
I can notice that several widgets on multiple homescreens can often hurt performance (obviously) but I think it really depends on what other programs you're running in the background. If you have a few widgets updating constantly, but not many other background processes, you'll be fine. If you have lots of background processes AND widgets, it may be noticeable.
If you get a lot of lag just moving homescreens, and have very low free RAM, then it might be a good idea to cut down on the widgets to help yourself out.
I personally only use one 4x2 twitter widget and a 4x1 music widget. I run a pretty tight ship and don't notice any slowdowns. I regularly have 100mb+ of free RAM though.
i usually have like 150 to 200 MB free lol guess I run a very tight ship, with maybe 2 or 3 exceptions I basically have it set so nothing runs without my telling it too. I have the news and weather widget, extended controls widget, doggcatcher widget, and the led flashlight widget, and like 2 or 3 more small 1 by1 widgets running on multiple home-screens. I was just wondering if it would make a difference lol. Not sure if it was me but when I re-ROM my phone it always seems snappier, but then I restore my apps and widgets, so not sure if it's the apps or the widgets weighing it down. Still pretty snappy overall though
I don't think they cause a major impact on performance, but definitely think they are taking up memory. I use GoLauncher's Task manager widget to keep an eye on what pops up, just about all the widgets I've got on the screens pops up on the task list. (CM7's Strobe/light, a2sd, fancy widget pro, etc)
However, more often I've noticed running processes from non-widgets I don't even use or haven't used in awhile, like yahoo messenger and one game. These take up anywhere from 3-15mb of memory.
I'd like to think that there is an association between consistent free memory and battery drain, but I don't really know of a way to log or test this.
hmm true, i noticed that I tend to have more problems with too little ram, rather than processor performance...
I've only got 2 widgets that actually take any battery to use. One is 3g Watdh Dog and another is Battery Monitor Widget. That's about it really, hardly uses any power at all. None at all actually haha.. Oh and a wifi on/off widget I find really useful too.
This has happened to me maybe two or three times now, but I want to just focus on this time it's happening right now:
I installed the Villain kernel on 3.2.1 stock rooted rom, overclocked to 1.504GHz. Initially, the scrolling in landscape was as smooth as butter, but over the past few days it's become slightly choppy, and it's really bothering me, because I know I might have done something to mess this up. My question is, how do I fix this and make it so it has unbelieveably smooth scrolling again (just like when you pull it out of the box)? I think it's one of any number of things, really. It could be that I'm using cachemate, system panel pro, that I've used autostarts to stop a ton of applications from running at start up.
I just removed all of my game icons from the 2nd page (I only have two pages) and the scrolling didn't speed up, so it's not that.
Is there a a system app that relates to the scrolling that I might have disabled because it had a name that maybe I thought I could disable in autostarts?
Thanks for any help!
Stopping apps from autostart does not guarantee a performance improvement. This is not Windows and unused RAM is lost RAM. You're using more CPU power to kill constantly autostarting apps and services thus you're draining your battery faster. If a program resides in memory it still doesn't mean it does something. As an example, there were ROMs for HD2 that were developed to load completely in its RAM for superfast performance and yet battery life was still excellent. There might be apps that behave intrusive but that's not the majority of the cases. Try to isolate them with a tool like SystemPannel but first read its description @ the Market. Additionally try freezing with Titanium backup some of the apps you're definitely not using. Hope this helps.
p. s. Try switching from interactive to ondemand governor.
Ok, thanks very much for the info! I was talking to someone else about this earlier today and the made the same point as you.
The performance of this device is almost perfect. I installed Nova and got everything running incredibly smooth, but the small gripe I have is with the phone and messaging app. When opening from new memory, there's a slight delay in loading the information. Has anyone found a way to speed this up? I'm wondering if rooting and flashing will help. It's by no means bad, just an area that if improved would make the experience 10/10.
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The performance of this device is almost perfect. I installed Nova and got everything running incredibly smooth, but the small gripe I have is with the phone and messaging app. When opening from new memory, there's a slight delay in loading the information. Has anyone found a way to speed this up? I'm wondering if rooting and flashing will help. It's by no means bad, just an area that if improved would make the experience 10/10.
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Out of curiosity, why would you want to open from "new memory"? I mean, don't close the apps in the drawer like a lot of people do and then complain about a slow phone.
Closing the apps use more battery and slows the phone down. Just let everything stay in the multitasking drawer.