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HTC HD2 - A Love story.

So, I've allways been a half way geek. Never to patient with learning to much of anything - and most of the time pretent to know more than i do.
Maybe more a Gadget Fan than a geek.. d;
So about 8 days ago i resived my HTC HD2, long awaited. And since i never had any other experience other than regular cells or Symbian OS, I figured it would a challenge using WM...
Cause I promised myself never to turn to apple.. NEVER!
SO about me thinkin it was going to be hard - God was I right. But never than less I had my play around with it, and looking at it now, im learning to love it more as the days go by..
Soo..
Thing's I like (+):
Huge screen (Bright and Beautyfull)
Sleek Design and great build quality. (Exept for the cam sticking out like that)
The posibiliy's for play with almost anything, and customize it as you like.
Thing's I'm not to crazy about (-):
Lags and failurs happent few times (daily)
The matter of time I have to use to find new apps. (I Blame MS)
And me beeing a noob still cant figur it all out yet.
To round up all this I just want to say that this is goin to be a phone Im going to hold on to, and love to start exploring to posibilitys in WM.
Im allready making some icons since I'm a great PS nerd. Going to share them at some point.
A few unsolved issues (I looked around to answer with no luck) to mention.
1. In the reviews the slidebar include Twitter AND facebook. But i can only add or remove Twitter for some reason. How do you add other programs to the slide bar?
2. How do I take a screenshot on the phone? (would love to share my scrren of the day )

Hehe, nice story
anymore?

Hi,
Glad that you're happy, in general. I don't think that you can add Facebook to the "Slider" AKA Home Screen Tabs (although I wouldn't be surprised if there is a Registry hack somewhere on this site. I'm guessing that you know you can add it to your Quick Links?
I'm sure I read somewhere on here about a tool to do screenshots too. Seach and discover (hopefully).
Regards.

BsB tweeks for screen shots

Kjohnsen said:
Cause I promised myself never to turn to apple.. NEVER!
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LOL. Ya, you will lose your soul if you do that.

antilagman said:
BsB tweeks for screen shots
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Thx, I just found out. Even tho after taking some i cant find them anywhere? : /
Also - isnt there some sort of cab file that can change the language to english?
Im fed up with this Danish one..

mine save straight to my storage card

Coming soon!! *must see*

title says it all, super buggy when it gets cleaned up will post kernel yes i said kernel its not a cab., yippie ki yay

FAKE 10cha

great work, looking forward to it

First post and you're coming in showing a picture of android running on the HD2???
Hope this is for real as I kind of miss android from my G1, but I can almost hear all the flaming coming your way now!

all i gotta say is nothing is impossible and i will never give up i wiped the phone of windows and htc sense for windows then refreshed the boot loader with the android evo kernel as well htc sense for android and now trying to configure the os and sense to the hardware, i found this much easier with the t-mobile version since it has more rom to fit more coding, *big smile*

nothing is impossible said:
all i gotta say is nothing is impossible and i will never give up i wiped the phone of windows and htc sense for windows then refreshed the boot loader with the android evo kernel as well htc sense for android and now trying to configure the os and sense to the hardware, i found this much easier with the t-mobile version since it has more rom to fit more coding, *big smile*
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If this is true and you can port android, expect a nice donation for your work! Get it to us Soon!

Fake 10cha

if you are for real and actually have gotten this to actually boot and run, could you give us an idea, or at least post what you need help with... I wouldnt call myself an android expert but i do know my way around the OS and most of the other items.
good luck and keep us posted!

well i hope that this is for real, and I'd definitely join the donation bandwagon if we get a working android port for the HD2.
I just must say I'd be surprised if you were able to get it running so easily based off the evo 4G. There are a lot of brilliant minds on here that have been working on getting android to the hd2 that haven't been able to do it yet. Maybe a video would help show us what you've got so far?

That looks fake as hell. You can't tell me there isn't too much wasted space below the bottom button bar on the screen??

paging dcordes, paging dcordes.

biscuits1978 said:
That looks fake as hell. You can't tell me there isn't too much wasted space below the bottom button bar on the screen??
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..There isint.
When it all comes down to it the development of this thread can be out onto two words, wait and hope.

nothing is impossible said:
title says it all, super buggy when it gets cleaned up will post kernel yes i said kernel its not a cab., yippie ki yay
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well it would be nice if you actually used a picture that wasnt a stock picture of the evo 4g for your photoshopping LOL..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/edlimagno/4460748456/
the background dates weather time temperature and even bluetooth logo match at the top...fakkee..
good try though

k20a1 said:
well it would be nice if you actually used a picture that wasnt a stock picture of the evo 4g for your photoshopping LOL..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/edlimagno/4460748456/
the background dates weather time temperature and even bluetooth logo match at the top...fakkee..
good try though
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BUSTED!!!!!

k20a1 said:
well it would be nice if you actually used a picture that wasnt a stock picture of the evo 4g for your photoshopping LOL..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/edlimagno/4460748456/
the background dates weather time temperature and even bluetooth logo match at the top...fakkee..
good try though
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LOL
Thx k20a1

Haha ! Fake !!!
Same hour, same place? ROFL.
You suck, I hoped it a little bit !!!

yeah just like on my hd2 box
10:08 and Location^^
haha if its not a fake its great surprisingly
DN41

i will believe this when someone else (someone with more than 2 posts, no offense) confirms this. but as of now, this means nothing to me

loser...... pff

nothing is impossible said:
title says it all, super buggy when it gets cleaned up will post kernel yes i said kernel its not a cab., yippie ki yay
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Sh*t bag.... or bag full of sh*t...

Android 2.1 running on x10, (VIDEO)

I dont know if this has been covered yet but i thought you guys would be interested in this information
www youtube com /watch?v=2z-9XgbehQ4
the video shows an X10 running android 2.1, its not clear as to wether its rooted or not but its definately running it
(cant post links, so u have to edit the link before pasting it into your browser )

Pretty nifty! Took forever to boot, hey? Besides the boot logo the fw didnt look SE whored out. Perhaps it is root? Or maybe an early se build?

This video was posted today in youtube.lets hope the guy tell us how he did it

that's a crappy video, hard to see. must have been taken with a crappy phone lol

I must get in touch with that guy to ask him about multitouch capabilities. If this is the official clean 2.1 we can get the final response (the only limit, in this case, could be the bootloader but I don't think so).

the first logo looks like an Arrow sign , may be downloading something to the phone or something else that is why it took that long

Alleniv said:
I must get in touch with that guy to ask him about multitouch capabilities. If this is the official clean 2.1 we can get the final response (the only limit, in this case, could be the bootloader but I don't think so).
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SE as stated several times that the screen is not hardwarewise capable of MT.

yeah great no multitouch we get it, does anyone have ANY idea how this was done?

LRI said:
SE as stated several times that the screen is not hardwarewise capable of MT.
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And Synaptics has stated several times to me <<just wait and see>>. I believe in multitouch, IMHO it's only a patent problem

For the record Synaptics managed to soft enable multi touch gestures on there standard trackpad panels, its more than possible to enable it with a little bit of fancy work (eg registering each touch seperatly at high speed and then relaying it as a single multi touch gesture to the OS). Multitouch is what everyone is obsessing over today then eh? weather its possible or not is no one else at all at interested in who even did this let alone how?! Peace and love.

Greenarcher707™ said:
that's a crappy video, hard to see. must have been taken with a crappy phone lol
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ya .. except the boot logo .. cant seem to see anythng else ..

it can also be some emulator+remote desktop video, as it was with htc hd2 running wp7. i am staying calm in this case, no additional info, nothing written there.. even the video quality. from my point of view it is not real.

proyaz said:
ya .. except the boot logo .. cant seem to see anythng else ..
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except the fact that its a stock android build and theres no SE UXP stuff?

charlie42 said:
it can also be some emulator+remote desktop video, as it was with htc hd2 running wp7. i am staying calm in this case, no additional info, nothing written there.. even the video quality. from my point of view it is not real.
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+1
10chars.

If its fake i say we get a hold of his email and email him in bulk stating how much of a **** he is, i however dont think its fake, if it was you would expect much more input/response latency than we are seeing, it looks native, and if he where to fake it he would have used 2.2......

Yes, but if you run it in emulator and access it via wifi in local network, the responses also can be quite good.. And as far as I know, hacking the bootloader is really not easy, and honestly - if I'd done it, at first I would write some informations about what I've done.. And not just some "nothing saying" video on youtube..

yeah i think its a little bit conspicuous but.. im not looking for reasons that its fake, lets just take it at face value for the moment. i still am of the view that remote connection isn't as fast as navigation in that video, im going to test this out tonight.

do vanilla 2.1 have a blue status bar like in our 1.6 X10 ? if not it maybe an early SE 2.1 build that they promised because i clearly see a blue status bar and as you guys mentioned the boot-loader is hard to crack

not sure about that ive heard the phone can have multitouch
LRI said:
SE as stated several times that the screen is not hardwarewise capable of MT.
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its blocked

skylinegtrvspec said:
its blocked
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Can you please give your delusions a rest? I mean... I respect that you wanna give yourself false hope, but please don't give disappointments to the community around you.
It's a fact that it's been officially announced that the hardware doesn't have the capapilities.
I can introduce you a good search engine called 'Google', and to can visit the official Sony Ericsson blogs for the facts.
Sigh...

2 years and still waiting for blackstone android !!!!!!!!

people started running Android on the iphone ,, and still there is no Fully functional android for blackstone ,,!!!!!! so disappointing

its almost their.....give praise for what they have done so far.

you know what I do when I realy on other people and it dont work out???
I do it myself. Its sucks we dont have a complete version but it wouldhave sucked more if we had nothing.

hwoarang626 said:
people started running Android on the iphone ,, and still there is no Fully functional android for blackstone ,,!!!!!! so disappointing
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They have it on the iPhone but it's in the condition that Android was 2 years ago on our devices and it's definitely not 2.2.
Anyway have a little more patience, the guys are working on it and they're doing great.

dont get me wrong ,, i fully appreciate what they have done ,, but you understand im from the people who are trying from the 1st build so its have been a long time ,, and my friend showed me on his iphone that he can do phone ,sms,wifi,market,import contacts ,and fast enough for daily use ,, but we still dont have for blackstone an android has all the things ,, thank you and i still say i appreciate what they have done so far ,,and i know it not easy ,,

hwoarang626 said:
dont get me wrong ,, i fully appreciate what they have done ,, but you understand im from the people who are trying from the 1st build so its have been a long time ,, and my friend showed me on his iphone that he can do phone ,sms,wifi,market,import contacts ,and fast enough for daily use ,, but we still dont have for blackstone an android has all the things ,, thank you and i still say i appreciate what they have done so far ,,and i know it not easy ,,
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As XDandroid on Blackstone!
hwoarang626 said:
people started running Android on the iphone ,, and still there is no Fully functional android for blackstone ,,!!!!!! so disappointing
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Take your fingers out of your ass and start compiling, that could help a bit instead of complaining.

if i knew how to do it ,, why would i ask ,, and if you dont know how to talk politely then please dont ...

hwoarang626 said:
dont get me wrong ,, i fully appreciate what they have done ,, but you understand im from the people who are trying from the 1st build so its have been a long time ,, and my friend showed me on his iphone that he can do phone ,sms,wifi,market,import contacts ,and fast enough for daily use ,, but we still dont have for blackstone an android has all the things ,, thank you and i still say i appreciate what they have done so far ,,and i know it not easy ,,
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The "Android 2.1 (Eclair) On HTC [27 Jun 2010]" has sms, wifi, market, contact importing and is more then fast enough for daily use. I use it all the time now. The only thing missing is the camera working, which is not an issue for me personally.

lokie538 said:
The "Android 2.1 (Eclair) On HTC [27 Jun 2010]" has sms, wifi, market, contact importing and is more then fast enough for daily use. I use it all the time now. The only thing missing is the camera working, which is not an issue for me personally.
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Quick question for you, which memory brand & size is working for you?

hwoarang626 said:
if i knew how to do it ,, why would i ask ,, and if you dont know how to talk politely then please dont ...
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If you at least asked for something, but you don't, you just complaint about a frustration: having Android on your old Blackstone
And the way you complaint is even worst than my reply.
people started running Android on the iphone ,, and still there is no Fully functional android for blackstone ,,!!!!!! so disappointing
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In other words: "wtf are those stupid masters doing? 2 years is far more than needed... blah blah..."
If you want Android right now, buy an Androidphone!

iphone has android blackstone not ????
Before posting mess like this you should be sure of what you telling,
yes in one way it is disapointing to see that it takes that long to get
a working version for blackstone but on the other side those build you
get for the handicap-phone are still worse than those for blackstone,
the only thing working for the moment is the boot of andro and maybe
launching sense.
So for the moment no need to raise that much iphone as a good phone.

jeanfrederic said:
If you at least asked for something, but you don't, you just complaint about a frustration: having Android on your old Blackstone
And the way you complaint is even worst than my reply.
In other words: "wtf are those stupid masters doing? 2 years is far more than needed... blah blah..."
If you want Android right now, buy an Androidphone!
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im sorry if my way of asking was wrong ,, and i didnt mean it that way ,,, and i have an android phone ,, but i need winmo sometimes ,, so if i can get both in one device it will be better ,,, ill wait till they come with a nice build ,,,

lokie538 said:
The "Android 2.1 (Eclair) On HTC [27 Jun 2010]" has sms, wifi, market, contact importing and is more then fast enough for daily use. I use it all the time now. The only thing missing is the camera working, which is not an issue for me personally.
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i tried this ,, but it freezes after 5 min ,, so cant use it ,,

Try again a clean install. I have it (2.5 non-a) and it does not freez but just works perfectly (mean it works as it should).
If it still freez, try installing Android when your phone is charging, that works better (on my Blackstone).

2.5a freezes when i click on market or use internet for browsing ,, i tried with charging but still same

jeanfrederic said:
Try again a clean install. I have it (2.5 non-a) and it does not freez but just works perfectly (mean it works as it should).
If it still freez, try installing Android when your phone is charging, that works better (on my Blackstone).
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How long of a battery life do you get out of that build? I use my camera on a regular basis so for me it stinks that it doesn't function. I don't think that I will be using Android as my daily OS without a good battery life or camera function.

i can see where the OP is coming from.. 2years development and we're maybe around the 60% development stage??!
i'm not a developer; mearly a user - but i'd expect things to get harder as time goes on (fix the easy things first/along the way) as the devs are fine tuning and ironing out all the bugs.
as much as im behind this project, how impressed i am with the developers skills with this, i think the truth is that i'll have my HD long replaced by another handset before android is considered a true ROM option on the HD. hopefully some sort of HTC Android phone since i need exchange support and still be active on these boards.
i've been using 2.5a on and off. the biggest deal breaker for me is the battery life. ~7days on WM. around 20hours without use in android - have to practically keep it on permanent charge.
all said and done, it's still in the alpha/early beta era so that is all to be expected. i know the deal with XDandroid before i downloaded it.

veehexx said:
i've been using 2.5a on and off. the biggest deal breaker for me is the battery life. ~7days on WM. around 20hours without use in android - have to practically keep it on permanent charge.
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What battery are you running on? 4500mAh??? 7 days? Normal use?
Lal, my original battery barely lasted for 2 days on WM with little use.

whatever HTC/Orange supplied with the phone. using the lastest kwbr wm6.5, with titanium, but i had similar battery life on Orange wm6.1 official release.
to be fair, it was 90% in standby, and also i have very weak signal where i live so battery drain is higher than it could be.
everything off apart from phone and data connection (using GPRS for data, not 3G).

jeanfrederic said:
Take your fingers out of your ass and start compiling, that could help a bit instead of complaining.
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aye. well said that fella.

How's the NAND (really)

I know it has been made possible(thank you fine XDA Devs
But, how solid is it?
Battery - Seems good
Freezing?
Glitches
Hang Ups
Resets
Crashing apps
Not working random features?
Speed
I looked through pretty much the whole topic and I just find random issues all over the place. Some major, some not as much.
I am still running my Nexus One SD Build. It's pretty solid. Does have some random hang ups, crashes and no starts. But, rare maybe just a tiny bit more then my Custom Rommed Vibrant.
I kinda wanna know, since this is the way to go. A NAND build is more of a "true" OS then a SD build.
If you believe your NAND ROM setup is near a 100% I would love to see what combo you are using.

I think your question should be here

how are you ?

evolutionqy7 said:
I think your question should be here
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I was thinking of posting there, but. . .
I want NAND only experience replies. And this would be the place.
If you wanna move the post you can.

I'm currently using MDJ Froyo Revolution at the moment and it's totally stable. I've had no issues whatsoever

samson_420 said:
I was thinking of posting there, but. . .
I want NAND only experience replies. And this would be the place.
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errrr NO it wouldn't be dude.
This is for posting DEV topic ONLY, ie for devs to post their work or projects etc, Not for n00b questions (no offence).
If you want to ask a question then you do it in the correct place ie the Q&A forum. You will get "NAND only experience replies" because that what's your topic is about.
Please dont spam the dev section, this isnt place for conversation topics.

I have noted that the following common issues plague most of the NAND builds I have installed (have tried and used 4 so far):
1. Low in-call volume : there is a fix for this so no longer an issue but was almost a deal breaker.
2. Robotic voice when you make your first call or sometimes randomly.
3. Decreased battery life: this is what is annoying me the most as the battery runs out far more quickly than on WinMo... i dont believe all other claims coz I have tried all the builds personally and i can definitely tell a difference.
4. No TOMTOM for Android. This is very annoying. Copilot and Google Nav just does not cut it for me (agreed this has nothing to do with NAND ROMs but just mentioning it as an issue for me)
Overall I would keep this for my phone if it wasnt for the BATTERY issue which is a deal breaker for me !! I may well go back to WinMo due to this. I definitely need longer battery life than NAND can provide right now.

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TheATHEiST said:
errrr NO it wouldn't be dude.
This is for posting DEV topic ONLY, ie for devs to post their work or projects etc, Not for n00b questions (no offence).
If you want to ask a question then you do it in the correct place ie the Q&A forum. You will get "NAND only experience replies" because that what's your topic is about.
Please dont spam the dev section, this isnt place for conversation topics.
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Don't clutter this area with questions when there's a specific area for it. The mods work hard to keep it clean and people like you don't seem to be able to understand simple instructions. Why?

I love wortless replies, thank you so much.
If it matters that much STFU and move the damn post.
****, my bad tards.

samson_420 said:
I love wortless replies, thank you so much.
If it matters that much STFU and move the damn post.
****, my bad tards.
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god forbid you make a thread! OH NOES teh internetz is running low on threads
i would like to know if switching to NAND is the way to go, and its nice to have one thread to help. jeez likes

samson_420 said:
I love wortless replies, thank you so much.
If it matters that much STFU and move the damn post.
****, my bad tards.
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Nice. Yeah, we're the tards that can't read simple instructions. Do yourself a favor and never take an IQ test.

samson_420 said:
I love wortless replies, thank you so much.
If it matters that much STFU and move the damn post.
****, my bad tards.
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stfu?
Dude you are the person who deliberately posted a question in development forum when you know there is a questions forum!!!
Its you who needs to stfu or ctfo!
If you want worthwhile answers you should post your question in the correct place.

samson_420 said:
I love wortless replies, thank you so much.
If it matters that much STFU and move the damn post.
****, my bad tards.
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It's alright bro, ignore them.
I thought NAND would be made a reality if and only when all the bugs were straightened out and the ROM was deemed NANDworthy? I thought that super RAM or SD builds were fine until such a time a jump to NAND seemed logical going forward.
I think NAND is serving the sole purpose right now for those that absolutely hated WM and get rid of WM completely although I don't see how WM would have come in the way of a super ram or SD build anyway.

asim2002 said:
I have noted that the following common issues plague most of the NAND builds I have installed (have tried and used 4 so far):
1. Low in-call volume : there is a fix for this so no longer an issue but was almost a deal breaker.
2. Robotic voice when you make your first call or sometimes randomly.
3. Decreased battery life: this is what is annoying me the most as the battery runs out far more quickly than on WinMo... i dont believe all other claims coz I have tried all the builds personally and i can definitely tell a difference.
4. No TOMTOM for Android. This is very annoying. Copilot and Google Nav just does not cut it for me (agreed this has nothing to do with NAND ROMs but just mentioning it as an issue for me)
Overall I would keep this for my phone if it wasnt for the BATTERY issue which is a deal breaker for me !! I may well go back to WinMo due to this. I definitely need longer battery life than NAND can provide right now.
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1. only the first sd-builds got the issue, never had with "out-of-beta-state" nand builds.
2. true, have this on every build exact ONE time after flash, then never again.
3. this point is shocking me... i was using stock and custom roms (atermis / HD2O) for 6 months and i have to say that windows have the most ****ed up battery management i've ever seen. randomly 15-85mA in standby with data connections and syncs turned off. that's very ugly and you have to charge the phone nearly every day... on android nand builds i usually have 2-5mA without data connections turned on. with data turned on ~8mA.
4. well... imo tomtom is the worsest and most ugly nav system ever spread. i prefer igo or navigon. i don't need a crappy bruce willis voice on my navigator, i'm a fan of 3d navigation with nice animated functions and nice instructions
at least you can use google navigation with sattelite view turned on.
BTT:
you should use a build made for daily usage... no ginger-stuck-crap or som bloated releases with crapware installed.
just my 2 cents...
my setup:
miui-rom 1.1.7
kernel: 2.6.32.15-prjv3
radio: 2.15.50.14
(clockworkmod)

NAND is awesome
i got this phone because i know NAND would be avaliable.
I played around with winmo for a few days and that was nightmare
Now I stand proudly against those with EVO / DesireHD in their hands/

LoL. . . . Yeah. I love the internet bad asses.
Some how I strongly doubt that any of these posting trolls would say any of this BS to my face.
The biggest issue I am seeing in my SD build is file corruption after a semi extended period of time(at least a week or two).
But, NAND does not seem 100% so far - THE REASON FOR THIS THREAD. . . . Geez
It should be a sticky so people know what to expect and not just flash the living crap out of their phones.

Nowhere near as fast as SUPERAM (Darkstones build) but tomorrow i believe Darkstone will be releasing a NAND/RAM combo so this is yet another excellent advancement in Android development.

samson_420 said:
LoL. . . . Yeah. I love the internet bad asses.
Some how I strongly doubt that any of these posting trolls would say any of this BS to my face.
The biggest issue I am seeing in my SD build is file corruption after a semi extended period of time(at least a week or two).
But, NAND does not seem 100% so far - THE REASON FOR THIS THREAD. . . . Geez
It should be a sticky so people know what to expect and not just flash the living crap out of their phones.
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You're really a tough guy aren't you? Seems to me you're the only internet bad ass around here telling people to STFU. I'd love to say this to your face, but I'm sure you're some 12 year old troll who thinks he's the ****.
Not surprised in the least that you're in AZ, that **** hole is full of fake ass wanna be hard core **** heads like you. Why don't you have your mommy drive you out of that desert **** hole to LA, I'll be happy to say many things to your face.
How's that for internet bad ass?

samson_420 said:
I love wortless replies, thank you so much.
If it matters that much STFU and move the damn post.
****, my bad tards.
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Post reported for posting in the wrong section and insulting other forum members.