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Ok everyone,
There's been alot of movement both forward and laterally on the vogue-android project lately, and while it's all been great I'm having some concerns.
There has been alot of forking lately of the project. Different builds are great and I can't encourage that enough, but with all of the changes, and great developments being made to the rootfs and kernel we are losing alot of what made this project going great.
There's such a jumble of builds, out there right now it's getting confusing for everyone. So please guys can we move the project back to centralization?
By that I mean build threads are for system images only.
Changes to the rootfs's and kernel's are fantastic, but please can we make a new thread just for those?
As well to all the kaiser guys. Don't get me wrong I think it's great that so many of these files are working so good for you guys but can you keep development of your port to your forum, so there's less confusion for the new people? I've said it lots, if any of the kaiser guys wanna port over the builds I've ported to kaiser's go ahead, but please post them in the kaiser forum.
I'll happily keep the google code page updated with new bundles, that have been tested and confirmed stable, that page is not for specific people's work only, but for vogue/kaiser files that can be considered the standard files to use.
I support this.
well put. i feel the exact same way. i've given up till a bundle comes out cause im confused what is the newest or if it will work(not a fan of the kaiser now that they took over). I'm really hoping for more development on the android rom but im a script kiddie and no developer.. unfortunately
thanks for bringing this up
I could not agree more!
I've actually returned to running WinMo on my phone because I've become so lost in the Android project. There's so many different forks out there, and all sorts of random files being uploaded to Google Code, I have absolutely no idea what is what anymore.
It was going really well when vilord and dzo were working on it, now suddenly it seems both of them are out of it and the "vanilla" Android 1.5 builds are no longer being worked on. There hasn't been a basic "system" update in nearly a month now.
And to make matters worse, there's no clear explanation of what's what anywhere and nobody is posting proper change logs. So all these new files keep popping up with no word on what they're for and what's changed.
I just want to run Android on my phone, with no stupid skins, UI replacements or massive customizations of any kind... and I don't know how to do that anymore.
I'm not really sure why all this work seems to be focused on customizations right now anyways, when there are much more important things to work on like Bluetooth, aGPS, and a flashable ROM.
Yes, this is most definitively needed, not to stifle anyone's creativity, but to allow the maximum number of people to enjoy the project. Otherwise it's far too possible that all the various ports will just turn people off to Android, and it's far too important to allow that to happen. I've already asked mssmison to post whole, relatively stable packages so people don't get overwhelmed with all the various components and builds. Maybe a re-fresh of the packages every 2 or 3 weeks, along with the testing packages for all you brave souls to make it more user friendly.
I'm going to re-organize the google code page for vogue tonight so it should be more clear for everyone. vilord isn't out of the project, he just is moving
I've cleaned up the google code page a bit, I've depreciated some older downloads and the older bundle.
I keep all my builds separate and off the vogue-android page too keep it clean and focused on the main bundle there which is android-1.5-x. The test rootfs.imgs that I put out are only for testing purposes and are my personal experiments related to hero and they stay on vogue-hero. They do not apply to non hero builds and I try to state that in the threads I started for my other two non hero builds. I'm not supporting squashfs right now and I'm not going to be posting builds in squashfs right now. If people think that squashfs is the way to go then all images need to be in squashfs including android-1.5x builds. That would avoid the main squashfs rootfs/kernel/initrd fork thats going on with people downloading the squashfs base files. I don't support kaiser wifi builds of my hero images because they don't work for the vogue. I'll be taking down all kaiser/squashfs related files on vogue-hero until further notice and create vogue bundles of the files that work with each build.
i agree about too many different builds and files mixed together, it's really confusing to an average user like me who's sorta new to android. you devs should package up a zip with all the most stable, needed files for you specific builds so we can't mess up and download something that might not work right. myself i use my phone daily and for work, so i need stability.
mssmison said:
Ok everyone,
There's been alot of movement both forward and laterally on the vogue-android project lately, and while it's all been great I'm having some concerns.
There has been alot of forking lately of the project. Different builds are great and I can't encourage that enough, but with all of the changes, and great developments being made to the rootfs and kernel we are losing alot of what made this project going great.
There's such a jumble of builds, out there right now it's getting confusing for everyone. So please guys can we move the project back to centralization?
By that I mean build threads are for system images only.
Changes to the rootfs's and kernel's are fantastic, but please can we make a new thread just for those?
As well to all the kaiser guys. Don't get me wrong I think it's great that so many of these files are working so good for you guys but can you keep development of your port to your forum, so there's less confusion for the new people? I've said it lots, if any of the kaiser guys wanna port over the builds I've ported to kaiser's go ahead, but please post them in the kaiser forum.
I'll happily keep the google code page updated with new bundles, that have been tested and confirmed stable, that page is not for specific people's work only, but for vogue/kaiser files that can be considered the standard files to use.
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+1 to this! It's getting cluttered and confusing... BUT AWESOME!
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+1 to this! It's getting cluttered and confusing... BUT AWESOME!
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is it looking better now on the google code page?
whatever is in that new base files package really sped up my build from zen, ill tell you that much, now my phone recieves calls too. the only thing i notice is im back to the old style button map settings for adjusting volume and waking up the phone and such?
things look a lot cleaner on the google code page now... just DL-ing the new bundle you posted and we'll see how things go from there. Glad to hear that that old button layout is back, not really a fan of the newer one.
all i know is there is no lag to my build at all now, WOW...nice work guys!
fixxxer2008 said:
whatever is in that new base files package really sped up my build from zen, ill tell you that much, now my phone recieves calls too. the only thing i notice is im back to the old style button map settings for adjusting volume and waking up the phone and such?
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All thanks to the bundle of files go to pmos, him and no one else. I just put together the system.
The button thing was accidental, however I have had alot of problems with my camera button not working intermittantly, we are working on a way of it being user selectable at boot.
I would also agree that some sort of organization is definitely needed. I think that system image threads should be condensed or organized in some way also. Having 15 threads, each with not too much information on what the build actually is, and info on the new update on page 15... just makes it hard for everyone. New comers and people who are experienced and trying to help others.
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I would also agree that some sort of organization is definitely needed. I think that system image threads should be condensed or organized in some way also. Having 15 threads, each with not too much information on what the build actually is, and info on the new update on page 15... just makes it hard for everyone. New comers and people who are experienced and trying to help others.
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There are 5 threads for builds. One for the kernel.
welll my phone is still running good today with that new bundle that was posted last night.
im still getting used to the old style button mapping but to be honest i like it better this way.
I think this post goes in the wrong direction.
The best thing of Android is that devs from different mobiles are working toguether to improve our phones.
I´m a polaris user and in the development of android for polaris developers with different phones help a lot
What we need is an Android section as it´s being petitioned in order to develop all toguether. Of course with organization.
Let´s think as Android and not only as vogue
iseeka said:
I think this post goes in the wrong direction.
The best thing of Android is that devs from different mobiles are working toguether to improve our phones.
I´m a polaris user and in the development of android for polaris developers with different phones help a lot
What we need is an Android section as it´s being petitioned in order to develop all toguether. Of course with organization.
Let´s think as Android and not only as vogue
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I agree but remember this is a vogue forum, so for the average user that comes here, they have a vogue. If you guys have a polaris dev get him to contact me and we'll look into making the bundles work right with your phones as well.
Again this is why I posted the poll to move the dev to another forum where we can have proper organization
With the release of htc evo , is there a chance that a successful porting of android come to htc hd 2 ?
i woulkd like ti know that aswell??????????
then go through a few pages and read the countless threads asking, at the min there working on it, in the future maybe
Of course there 'will be a chance', however, it certainly won't officially support Android and such development will take many hours, days, weeks, months of work from the skilled people here. It's one thing getting an OS booting, it's quite another making it interact with the HD2's hardware, ironing out the millions of issues that'll arise in early development.
The evo may well speed things up once someone dumps its rom and takes a look, but it'll all be speculation until stuff starts getting released.
1000th thread on the subject!
Closing this as other threads exists on the topic.
WB
I can't belive the Dell Streak has been out nearly six months and we still only have one Chef!
The most awesome.... Stephen Hyde!
If it wasn't for this gent we would still be stuck with Dells own....which as we all know SUCKS!
I came from the HD2 where, after six months, there were about 20 Chefs and many many different ROMs!
Is this indicative of the Android cooking scene? On WinMo 6.5 devices there are always lots of Chefs and ROMs. On Android devices do you only usually get a couple of Chefs and ROMs? Is it harder to be a Chef on an Android device?
Anyway, I think we all owe Stephen a big round of applause and perhaps a donation for making our devices 500% better than when we got them!
(ooooo 666th post )
Absolutely!! Stephen is the man!!! I've owned the Streak for just a few days now, and I've already ditched Dell's own for Stephen's ROMs!
do we need anymore?
the hd2 may have many "chefs", but most of them were doing nothing more than repacking files with a different theme.. YAWN
android tends to need a bit more nouse, ok its not hard to be a repackager, but to do something useful needs more skill than that.
I could also release roms, but tbh I'd rather help steve with his and have one good one.
Whilst I agree with what your saying, I have to say that there were quite a few 'core' Chefs, and the ROMs they were cooking were significantly different from each others. Buut yes you did get the blokes that had just downloaded a Kitchen and cooked their own programs/themes into it.
Being able to pick and choose between many diffrent ROMs pleased me somewhat
Not Android Development Please Post in the Correct Forum Thanks
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I've wondered about the dearth of chefs as well. Love DJ_Steve, no doubt. I guess this speaks somewhat to the low adoption of the Streak. Stupid Dell, you go and create an awesome phone but then you continually screw up the launch and everything after.
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Hopefuly it's will be release in da 00:00 Jan.01.2011..... Calm down Everyone... it's coming ...........commmmmmmmmmmiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiingggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
I have no idea what he was saying but I'm assuming they were good things.
I think it's still take more more time before it has been release.So don't expect it to come soon or very soon,but it's still good to know it's development status.
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I have no idea what he was saying but I'm assuming they were good things.
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lolz... you will get ur update in time... then there will be a new thread division named HD2 WP7 OS development or might be more ... like Q&A...
Don't get excited with it, WP7 on HD2 needs magldr which is not yet released and it was "coming soon" last 6 month and no one knows how much time WP7 would take to release after magldr release. It might be released by christmas, but only if we're talking about next christmas.
I don't blame anyone here, devs are doing it for free, so no deadlines or estimates, but please, stop posting a new thread with "wow, it's so cool, it would be ready soon, can't wait" each time you see "nand" or "wp7" word on IRC.
Seems like cotulla was just commenting on what he thought of wp7 as an os. And without live services it is pretty pointless anyway. The best news in there id that he is trying to finish up android stuff
maybe next xmas, I am waiting for some money and I'll change hd2 with dhd hopefully this year.
Well,that's good news
Patience
Before this thread goes on much longer, I ask you guys to read my post here
It is Cotulla and the Dark Forces Team (DFT) that are working on the ROM. One of the DFT members asked me to write that post.
I think it is the proper that we give Cotulla and DFT the time and space to do their work unimpeded.
As I stated in that post, any updates will be made upon their request, so there is no use for us here to speculate or re-post their comments. xda.cn comments, and hacking of a server, have already caused problems, and we should endeavor here on XDA-Developers not to also upset DFT.
Please note that what was copied and pasted in the first post of this thread is information from several days ago, before the events that are mentioned in my post in the above link. Any updates from DFT will be posted on that thread.
merry christmas everyone
dcordes Cotulla: if I want to flash android image to leo with megaloader, how to go about it ? where can I download megaloader and does it have instructions ?
20:37 Cotulla it's not released yet bcz still some things to do.
20:37 Cotulla but already near the end of story
MN_ cotulla did you get rmnet working well in the end on magldr
00:33 Cotulla yeah it's working nice
Magldr is almost out which means wp7 and android
wow，it is cool ，i am so happy
Wow WP7 is Coming soon!!
Can I asked a question??
Can I flash Android rom?? (Not use micro sd card)??
Is there any chance that this can be run the same as the android update thread... Kept clean and tidy with only updates in it?
Cheers
chris10230 said:
Is there any chance that this can be run the same as the android update thread... Kept clean and tidy with only updates in it?
Cheers
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I think Android and WP7 will be released alongside with MAGLDR anyways..
So don't really see why this would be neccesary.
Make this thread for updates only, no discussion
chris10230 said:
Is there any chance that this can be run the same as the android update thread... Kept clean and tidy with only updates in it?
Cheers
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+1 .. I agree .
Please delete all posts except those regarding updates
Better to change title too for like "Windows Phone 7 on HD2 Updates [No Discussion]" or something .
Shouldn't be stickied as well ?
Yeah, It's probably going to be released as soon as Magldr is but why not keep this thread tidy & clean since we don't want it to be like the other threads regarding WP7.
Because if we left it up open for discussion it might end up like this or this or this and probably it's going to get closed
Respect
With all due respect to you guys, I should like to remind you that the Dark Forces Team and Cotulla are the people who have worked hard on this project, thus it is they and they alone who should make any announcements concerning either updates or the release of ROMs.
As you may know, I was running interference for DFT's mwang to stop the nonsense going on in the other thread, but I gave up as it was mission impossible.
What I want to say is that I do not believe that in this thread, or the other thread, there will by any more authorized announcements about updates. Anyone else now claiming to have updates, or is copying and pasting, is definitely not authorized by the Dark Forces Team, or Cotulla.
I suggest that you just keep an eye on XDA-Developers and wait for an imminent official announcement.
We owe this respect to the Dark Forces Team and Cotulla, yes?
Update: there's a video of the final version of magldr loading up this was released yesterday. It's almost time for nand.
All respect goes to DFT, and Cotulla!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJugZtIZVwc
I think 98% of people are waiting patiently an official announcement, but it will always be some who creates new thread with "cotulla update" as title.
At all events it's a good thing, that shows the interest which the person carries on the project even if there are sometimes overflows.
All respect to the DFT for their work, and thanks to rlydiard.
I've been a member of this forum for about 4 months now, and I just wanted to post a big thank you to all the developers out there in a thread that I think should highlight their work and for us to show our gratitude to them.
I bought my HD2 (T-mobile) used, through ebay (to the caribbean) and have been loving it ever since, primarily due to the development published in this xda-forums. It's good to know that google shows the xda site as the first sight when looking for apps and roms, tweaks, etc. for my HD2.
I'm technically capable, but haven't done programming in about 8 years, but I remember the struggles, and these guys here keep putting out new developments, one after the other to keep us up-to-date. I moved from stock ROM to EnergyROM- Dinik, then to Energy Titanium. Before the end of last year I was using dual boot with Android Froyo by Darkstone. For the new years, the developers again moved progress with us now being able to run NAND versions of Android on the HD2. I've so far installed and tried 3, finally sticking with the Prj Clean Desire ROM - Froyo version (I like room to add my own apps without clutter).
I try to support as much as possible, but sometimes I do miss.
I decided to start this thread for a single, simple reason. To give the respect, gratitude and thanks to all the developers on the xda-forums who continue to ensure that our HTC phones are well optimised and continually on the cutting edge of new mobile software, applications and platforms (I'm sure we have yet to see a Windows Phone 7 adaptation yet).
For me there are a few whose names/aliases constantly appear:
Cotulla (the god who gave us HSPL and magldr)
Dark Forces Team (DFT)
Darkstone
EnergyROM creators
Core ROM creators
Hastarin
Miri ROM creators
Cyanogen creators
Once again, mad props to you guys and the many other developers out there.
If I were HTC, Microsoft or Android, I'd be hiring you guys without question.
Keep up the good work.
Nice speech there mate! Without doubt we all show our graditute and we thank the developers for their hard work, imagination and dedication!
We also want to say THANK YOU to xda forum that made all of these possible!
Let's not forget dcordes, netripper, letama and markinus for getting Android for the hd2 where it is today. Without them starting the project and getting the Linux kernel ported, we probably wouldn't even have a working Android yet.
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Yeah everything y'all do on this website is amazing, thank y'all so much!
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