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Hi guys,
Im from Melbourne, Australia. I had a P800, which I lost last week. I was going to get the P900 (due out here in 2-3 weeks), but have decided to go for an XDAII. The problem is, insurance can get that model (in about 2 weeks they said), but they told me that the XDA doesn't work on their network.
Im with Optus by the way.
Does anybody know why the XDA wouldn't work on the Optus network, or IF this would be the same case with the XDAII? I absolutely love the XDAII, and am eagerly awaiting its release here so I can get it, but not if it doesnt work on the Optus network. Does anybody here know? Thanks in advance.....
Hey there....I'm an Aussie also (Brisbane) and whoever told you that Optus don't support the XDA is full of #$&!. I have been using an XDA on the Optus network now for over 6 months. Here's proof : http://www.optus.com.au/shop/ow_pda
Funnily enough - i recently damaged mine (accidentally) beyond repair and have also been given the option of getting any new phone of my choosing (guess which one I am going to choose!) :roll:
XDAII of course!!!
So - do you (or anyone else) have info on the expexted release date in Australia (other than the "end of November" posted on the myxda.com site)???
Can't wait!!!!!!!!
Thanks for your quick reply.
Thats what I thought, why the hell would they sell a device that wasn't compatible on their network? Insurance on the 1800 number are extremely useless about details, they werent even aware what a PDA was, they said "they only sell mibile phones"!. HAHA.
I called a guy at Optus at Highpoint shopping centre where I signed up, he said the XDA had a retail price of $1290, and that the XDAII would be available around 2-3 weeks. He said expect to pay about $1,500.
A more reliably source at Calculator King in South Melbourne said it would be between $1,400-$1450. He also said 2 and a half-3 weeks, and that was on Saturday! Cant wait for this beast of a device to bless my paws. P800 is a good phone, P900 even better, but they are like comparing a Audi to a Lamborghini when throwing an XDAII into the equation.
it should be compatible with every gsm network as far as i understand what the gsm std defines
what you are saying is right
the reason they might think its not compatiable is the fact that some HTC phone's work on the 900/1900 GSM band and some on the 900/1800GSM Band
in Aus we are on the 900/1800
the XDA II is triband 900/1800/1900 so it has to work
i will now soon im getting my very soon!! :shock:
CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MikeXDA2:
With the insurance (mine is gonna take another 10 days to process), If you want to upgrade your handset, do they go by retail price for the phone that you did the insurance claim on, and then you add money on top?
What I mean is, say with my P800 and I want to get the XDA2, Do they tell me that I will have $1,490 credit for my P800, and then pay the difference (if any) for the XDA2? Or, as its through insurance, do they go by a different price other than retail?
Hi All,
I currently have an O2 online contract which I have had for about 16months now. After seeing that the XDAIIs are £150 cheaper in O2 stores than online I decided to change my contract to an O2 store type and cancel the online contract and port my existing number accross from online to the new one.
After calling round lots of O2 stores to be told that they have none left in stock, I found a shop with 1 left so hurried along to buy. The girl in the shop though told me that they can port number across from other networks, but not between the online and shop flavours of O2 because they are the same company. Funny that when I go into a shop with a problem on my online contract they tell me that they are different companies and can't do anything !! grr. Needless to say, I didn't buy the XDAII.
Does anyone know if this is truely the case because I do need to keep my existing number and also don't really fancy paying £349 from the online store when they are selling £150 cheaper just down the road. !
Thanks for any info.
Rgds,
Rob.
Hi
That's absolutely pants that is. That is exactly what I did. I had an online contract and bought an XDA2 from the retail side & kept my online number! They can do it, you just need to push them. Once you do they are actually quite helpful.
Have fun! Be assertive!
Thanks for the reply Pete. I didn't think that it was impossible to do.
I'll be back there tomorrow wearing my angry face
I'll let you know how I get on.
Thanks,
Rob.
I had a similar problem, they said that I couldn't port an O2 number to O2 (this is in effect an upgrade) only from other networks. I pushed them and they said it could be done - I signed a new contract, got a temporary number (which was no use to me as I didn't want to give my many contacts a temporary number) so I put my old SIM in the XDAII until they ported the number - it took them over a month to finally port the number, but they did give me 4 months free line rental as compensation.
Well done m8. Just show what can be done when you push! I also ended up with several months free line rental. They ended up moving the new contract to my old sim card. A 'Migration' they call it!
Don't give up just keep pushin.
Good luck!
You need to get your PAC code from online o2 and then take it to the shop.
The XDA2 is going to be £299 in shops from the 1st of March
Has it gone up! Was £199 in o2 stores. Hope not as I haven't been able to get one anywhere, have emailed o2 ceo as i'm so pissed off.
Unless thats £299 offline..... I wish
They were only 199 for febuary back to 299 now onwards.
Sorry people.
Staff got theres for 150 sim free.
8)
Can a new user, onto his second post, dare correct you all (but do so on the basis that he had exactly this, and it lead to a full investigation from the then OFTEL)?
Sorry to say it folks, but whilst SOME Service Providers, or even individual staff themselves, will let you 'port' from one Service Provider on the same network to another SP on the same network, there is ABSOLUTELY NO LEGAL OBLIGATION FOR THEM TO DO THIS.
I know this from huge problems I had with Singlepoint as SP for O2, Porting into them a number from O2 (then BT Mobile SP).
So I took my case to OFTEL.
And guess waht - the reason for this is clear.
Legislation provides for Porting numbers, and places a legal obligation on Networks and SP's to do exactly this.
BUT...
Going from one service provider to a different one, but within the same network, is not covered. Becuase it ISN'T a PORT - it is a MIGRATION.
Only if the networks are different, does a PORT ensue.
And ONLY a Port is bound by Oftel (at the time - now OFCOM) regulations.
So many of you MIGHT manage this (in the end Singlepoint did for me, after all the hoo-ha).
But there is absolutely no compulsion for them to do this, and nothing you can do in law to force them, if they refuse.
Please don't think I am making this up - a simple call to OFCOM will answer your query.
BUT, bear in mind this was a while back, and the case investigator from OFTEL told me at that time that plans were afoot to change this in future to cover migrations too. So it might be worth that call to OFCOM...
Hope this helps folks.
Are you saying you had a problem with singlepoint giving you the PAC code?
They should give it to you no matter where you say the number is going?
Richard
u05rdh said:
Are you saying you had a problem with singlepoint giving you the PAC code?
They should give it to you no matter where you say the number is going?
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I'm gonna sound rude here, but no thats completely what i am not saying, as my post should indicate.
I was going FROM O2 (with O2/BT Cellnet/Mobile as the Service Provider) TO Singlepoint (O2).
And what Singlepoint would not do, is ACCEPT my PAC code.
Hence why I went to OFTEL.
Only to find that Singlepoint were well within their rights not to accept the PAC code, and transfer IN my number, as it wasn't a PORT at all (PAC = Port Authorisation Code - hint!)
Becuase only if there is a change of networks, does it amount to a PORT. If it is inter network, but different services providers, it is a MIGRATION, which has no legal obligation (or at least didn't at that time).
So what my post was clearly warning, is that UNLESS THERE IS A CHANGE OF NETWORK, it is not a PORT< but instead, a migration.
And for migrations, Service Providers have no compulsion or legal obligation to let you bring your number over - it is entirely at their own discretion.
Only a PORT (which as I said, needs a change of network), has legal obligation to it on the part of a Servie Provider.
I hope that clarifies. :wink:
I spoke to a guy from O2 (the customer care line I think) and when I queried him about being about to migrate numbers from O2 Online to O2 Shop, he was saying I couldn't, but also sounding uncertain. As if he wanted to tell me something but couldn't. In the end he said that O2 are not obliged to migrate the number across because of the administration charge that they incur. As he was sounding strange, I said 'Are you trying to tell me that I should be able to get my number migrated across if I keep on at them, but you are not allowed to tell me that' To which he replied 'Yes'
Rgds,
Rob.
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I spoke to a guy from O2 (the customer care line I think) and when I queried him about being about to migrate numbers from O2 Online to O2 Shop, he was saying I couldn't, but also sounding uncertain. As if he wanted to tell me something but couldn't. In the end he said that O2 are not obliged to migrate the number across because of the administration charge that they incur. As he was sounding strange, I said 'Are you trying to tell me that I should be able to get my number migrated across if I keep on at them, but you are not allowed to tell me that' To which he replied 'Yes'
Rgds,
Rob.
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In my experience (after the case I had with OFTEL), the ONLY people willing to allow a number transfer on a migration rather than a port, is O2 Online and O2 (O2 Proper, with themselves as the serive provider - not a third party like Singlepoint).
Which fits with what you have said. BUT like you mention - its at their discretion - so sound nce, and keep plugging if they first say no.
Singlepoint will NOT allow you to bring in your existing number, from another provider, if the network remains the same - i.e they will not allow number transfers with a migration - but instead ONLY with a PORT, which they are legally obliged to anyhow.
And maybe I should clarify the Network's logic for this...
If you go from one network, TO another, then the network you have left LOSES a customer/number/statistic/figure, when it comes to reporting year end customer numbers.
On the other hand, the network you are going to, gains a new customer/number/statistic, to include in their year end report of number base/connects.
Thus the new network is happy to do this, and subsidise handsets etc etc.
On the other hand, if all you are changing is Service Providers, then the NETWORK gains absolutely nothing - as they lose one customer to in effect gain another.
Thus absolutely no incentive or financial reason for them to promote this.
And I took the liberty to check, and alas, there has still been no change with OFCOM in terms of the law - ONLY a number PORT (which means a complete change of NETWORK), is legally enforceable in terms of them accepting a number port.
A MIGRATION (chenge of Service Provider, but remaining on the same Network), still has no legal obligation.
Hope this helps.
Like said before in this thread, the louder you shout, the more you get heard, and the more you push, the more succesfull you will be. Nice people don't get anything, just high bills
lummac said:
Like said before in this thread, the louder you shout, the more you get heard, and the more you push, the more succesfull you will be. Nice people don't get anything, just high bills
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IF YOU SAY SO! :wink:
Was that loud enough for you :lol:
hello everyone
this is my first post, and i will admit straight away that i work for one of the big "independent retailers" so have no problem/loyalty with any network..........
i know from previous posts that i may be teaching some of you to suck eggs....that is not my intention!
in the 80's under the then uk government the first 2 networks where ordered to split there "networks" into service providers{billing companies)
that was O2 and VODA by the monopolies commision....several years later the next networks where allowed to sell there own airtime(orange and tmob) .....hence if you are with o2 or voda you could have a contract with up to anyone of 100+ service providers any of which will charge a different amount to upgrade to an xdaII..... you will always have the oppurtunity to upgrade(stay with your service provider,,,if you are a large monthly spend ....negotiate!) but you will also (and use this!) have the oppurtunity to switch within your network (MIGRATION- ie you stay with O2 but are billed by a new company..but are recognised as a new consumer....ie better deal) or switch to a new network....ie voda,orange ..(who are shortly to offer the xda........) who will bend over backwards to get you!!!!!!
either way your best tool is to ask for a PAC code (porting authorisation code) wether migrating or porting.......as this lets the network/service provider you are with know you are not only serious about leaving them....but serious about joining another network/service provider and they will negotaite...if not switch network!!!! normally same handset but better offer!
probably no use and wrong forum
but hey i am new to this!
@ onedaz...
Er, thanks for the heads up, but ain't you read this post at all mate?
The bit about history was both true and helpful.
But "...get a PAC code and do a migrate" ?
Haven't you read my posts at all? You CAN'T do a number port on a MIGRATION inter-network. You can only do a PORT if it is cross network.
(And by 'CAN'T' what I mean, as explained in my post, is compel, by law, a Service Provider, to accept your number - some DO so this by choice, but most do not. Those that do not CANNOT be compelled to accept a PAC code, for a MIGRATION, as this has no legal power behind it through OFCOM. Only a true PORT carries legal weight.).
But thanks for the rest of the info though.
Just to quickly throw flames on the fire and run.....
I am currently with Orange and will be moving over to O2 when my contract expires and I get the new XDA II on a business contract.
Point I want to raise is that ORANGE told me that to get best deal and offer on an upgrade (take out the fact that I want the XDA II) is to MOVE TO ANOTHER OPERATOR - so the above is totally true that migration is at discretion of company, porting (i.e. leaving network) is legal right.
When are Orange going to wake up.. M5000 is
a) late
b) data charges are more expensive than O2
c) device will actually cost more that the *already out* XDA Exec.
I have loyalty to orange.. but the price difference and delays are too much.
Besides which I have 900 business user im wanting to put on and to be honest.. which one I use for my personal use will prolly be the same I as Instruct my company to buy.
Get off your ar$e orange.. Your the slowest and most expensive in the pack. Why in hells name would a business want to go with you even with existing loyalty when its like this.
And the orange price promise seemed to go out of the window years ago. It should now read "We'll copy any tariff that's pretty expensive and come up with 1001 excuses not to match any that you may want."
the m5000 is available in france, and not very expensive :
700 € without any subscription....
Aye bud..
Its so bloody annoying.. I actually prefer working and developing with Orange but the Account manager is useless and never returns calls or emails(previous one on maternity leave was better).
Promises have been broken time and again on released date (anyone remember when they said it would be ready the 2nd of Sept 2005 lol).
If Imate, 02 and t mobile can get it right.. WTF are Orange playing at.
The current tariff structure is near archaic – 3G on orange is really expense.. This idea of downloading a music video or a powerpoint slide on 3G just makes me want laugh… yeah if you want to spend 16 pounds on one song..
it begin to be interesting with orange, for example, TV is without limit every week end ...
another potential problem with the Orange M5000.... IT MIGHT HAVE WI-FI DISABLED :!:
I was reading about the different models during the past few weeks before I finnally gave up and bought my xda Exec last week.
What I gathered from specialised sites was that Orange was considering disabeling the Wi-Fi capabilities of the M5000. a very stupid move i might add.....
In any case I went into an Orange shop early last week and enquired about the matter (and soon gave up due to the 'highly' knowledgable staff :roll: ) - the guy claimed that he was SURE that its not disabled - the person there showed me the info on Orange's intranet - and it actually has a remark there regrding the Wi-Fi capability of the device - that it "is up to the discretion" of the mobile operator....
I have no vested interst here - all I'm saying is - take care and make sure it has Wi-Fi b4 u buy it!
Shhh that is serious.. can anyone confirm that the Orange M5000 does or doesnt have WiFi?
It has WIfi
Regards
Stu
Stu,
What was in the box? Did it get the spare battery as promised? What s/w is installed in the ROM and did you get an more on CD? What version is the ROM?
I have received the HD2 from t-mobile on the 16th of November.
T-mobile supply you with the following:
HD2
Battery
Power adapter
USB to Micro USB (plugs into power adapter)
Headphones
2GB Micro SD card with and SD adapter
They dont supply you with:
A pouch (case) which i have seen in unboxing videos.
A few members asked me to do a review on the device so i will do so as best i can. ive been playing around with it long enough i think to do so.
VIDEOS:
I have uploaded an unboxing video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ic-O9xkHUk
Boot time is around 50 seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11-Lo6i_zVg
If i have time i will dump the rom!
List of apps in rom:
HTC Messages
Email
Phone
People
Messenger
Internet Explorer
People
HTC Calendar
Music
Footprints
Camara
Albums
Audio Booster
MP3 Trimmer
FM Radio
Pictures & Videos
Streaming Media
Windows Media
Camcorder
Teeter
Marketplace
Microsoft My Phone
Outlook
Getting Started
Excel Mobile
PowerPoint Mobile
OneNote Mobile
Word Mobile
Calculator
Active Sync
Comm Manager
Internet Sharing
Search Phone
QuickGPS
Voice Recorder
RSS Hub
WorldCard Mobile
JBlend
Adobe Reader LE
Remote Desktop Mobile
Format SD Card
Digital Compass
Search Widget
Facebook
Wi-Fi Router
Help
Windows Live (without Messenger, you would have to download that from Marketplace)
Google Maps
Instant Messaging (useless doesnt work)
Mail Setup
SIM Manager
web'n'walk (T-mobile skinned Opera)
Managed to get Twitter to work on TF3D (HTC SENSE)
Congrats mate, did t mobile disabled the wireless router option? and is it locked?
lzhug1227 said:
Congrats mate, did t mobile disabled the wireless router option? and is it locked?
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NOPE wifi router is there!
i'll put up a list of apps included in rom..
is this only in UK or is it coming out also in USA
Any T-mobile logo on the phone itself?
maniatico said:
is this only in UK or is it coming out also in USA
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Ive got the UK version, im not sure if there will be a US version but im pretty sure there would be
MrEdwardK said:
Any T-mobile logo on the phone itself?
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boot splash is T-mobile, i will do a start up video of the phone and a mini review for you to see! =)
The T-mobile release was not meant for another week or two, (well done on getting a phone)
I was give an early December release date when I spoke to them onthe phone and opted to leave in favour of Voda.
If these companies gave their frontline staff better info then maybe they would keep more customers.
Any chance of some more vids. (especially any showing any differences in the T-Mobile Rom)
thanks in advance..
zoro25 said:
The T-mobile release was not meant for another week or two, (well done on getting a phone)
I was give an early December release date when I spoke to them onthe phone and opted to leave in favour of Voda.
If these companies gave their frontline staff better info then maybe they would keep more customers.
Any chance of some more vids. (especially any showing any differences in the T-Mobile Rom)
thanks in advance..
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lol i was literally nagging t-mobile every single day! and they told me it would be released on the 9th.. they then said on the 13th so i rang up and sorted out my contract around 12:30pm and they told me they had 1000 in stock and there was 30 left, so if there was no weekend i would of had it last week...
i just uploaded a boot splash video
and will upload some various other for you to see
Did you say you got it on upgrade? If so how much and on what priced contract?
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boot splash is T-mobile, i will do a start up video of the phone and a mini review for you to see! =)
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Hello mate, I have just got my tmob hd2 did you get the you tube, Twitter apps? doesn't look like we got the co pilot trial either...
You should have gone through a 3rd party, i got mine on T-mobile today and it came with a pouch, wifi router is there, so is the co-pilot trial and the other apps that seem to be missing on t-mobile branded handsets. Mine is also unlocked and has no branding at all
Got mine yesterday, initially very impressed.
Unfortunatly got it direct from T-mobile on an upgrade (18months)
...so No pouch!! and No YOUTUBE! you can add twitter from one of the settings pages but i have no interest in that at the moment.
Phoned T-mobile after seeing that on page 4 of the quick start guide it listed 'POUCH' as being included----I thought HTC may have forgot about them for this rushed batch for T-mobile
I was very disapointed in T-mobiles responce ....they expected me to phone HTC!!
They then sent me a txt saying 'their warehouse said it was not included..see page 4 of the quick start guide!'
...Either someone at T-mobile warehouse has just nicked a load of them after deleting all the youtube software...or T-mobile dont want to bother contacting HTC on their customers behalf to highlight their error!
On a positive note the Wifi Router app works faster and better than the '3' 3G dongle I had been using for internet for the past 2 months
i would be interested to know how much t-mobile are charging for this handset as through mobilephonesdirect I got a completely unbranded and unlocked handset for free on tmobile combi 30 for 34 pounds a month. that's for 700 minutes, unlimited texts and unlimited internet on an 18 month contract. I usually prefer to go through high street retailers but I really can't imagine them being able to match that deal.
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Got mine yesterday, initially very impressed.
Unfortunatly got it direct from T-mobile on an upgrade (18months)
...so No pouch!! and No YOUTUBE! you can add twitter from one of the settings pages but i have no interest in that at the moment.
Phoned T-mobile after seeing that on page 4 of the quick start guide it listed 'POUCH' as being included----I thought HTC may have forgot about them for this rushed batch for T-mobile
I was very disapointed in T-mobiles responce ....they expected me to phone HTC!!
They then sent me a txt saying 'their warehouse said it was not included..see page 4 of the quick start guide!'
...Either someone at T-mobile warehouse has just nicked a load of them after deleting all the youtube software...or T-mobile dont want to bother contacting HTC on their customers behalf to highlight their error!
On a positive note the Wifi Router app works faster and better than the '3' 3G dongle I had been using for internet for the past 2 months
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Its strange because my pouch was actually in the box and the box is sealed so if the T-mobile boxes are sealed it must have actually been HTC that have removed these from the T-mobile packages???
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i would be interested to know how much t-mobile are charging for this handset as through mobilephonesdirect I got a completely unbranded and unlocked handset for free on tmobile combi 30 for 34 pounds a month. that's for 700 minutes, unlimited texts and unlimited internet on an 18 month contract. I usually prefer to go through high street retailers but I really can't imagine them being able to match that deal.
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Well I am awaiting stock from Tmobile as I just missed the first wave. I got a 24mth upgrade for £20 a month with 300 minute calls, unlimited text and mobile. Phone cost £31. I'm happy with that cos I don't need more phone minutes but they said I could upgrade to £30 a month to get the 700 minute calls. If I needed that number of minutes I would have gone for your deal on MPD so I could have an unbranded handset.
When you guys refer to 'T-mobile' branding, I assuming this is just the software (boot splash, etc) and not any logos physically on the phone itself?
well t-mobile and htc are blaming each other for the lack of 'pouch' and i dont really want to spend anymore of my life hoping that the dimwits i spoke to over the phone grow a brain cell or 2.
Does anyone know how to put the youtube software back on a T-mobile phone???
Does anyone have the software? or a partial rom or cab---dont know how to add the original rom!!!
Ps. got mine for £60 inc delivery on an upgrade (wanted it free) on flex35 for 18months offered same deal for flex 25 but wanted the 3gb internet that was included---then added another £10 a month to get web and walk max with 10gb allowance that allows skype usage......so £45 per month +£60 =£870total contract
....so really upset at not being able to have the bonus of using youtube on the go after paying all that extra to use the internet
Good news----cancelled my already broken home broadband today so gets me more of the monthly cost back--ie.the phone replaces my home broadband and my dongle top up charges when travelling
Wireless router for o2 builds
Good to see that T-Mob aren't playing about with things too much!
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When you guys refer to 'T-mobile' branding, I assuming this is just the software (boot splash, etc) and not any logos physically on the phone itself?
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Fortunately there aren't any exterior logos branded on the device itself, it's just as you assumed, splash screens both start up & shut down plus a couple of apps.
Hello,
Why I can't find HD2 at http://shop.o2.co.uk/mobile_phones/Pay_Monthly or anywhere else on the site?
because O2 are absolutely useless at updating their website with new phones unless it's a new iphone or palm pre. At the moment you'll only find info on it if you go into store or ring up
I`ve been in 3 o2 stores and the HD2 isn`t even on display.....They`ve sold there soul to Apple!!!!!
HD2 is only being displayed in some of the bigger O2 stores, if you went to a smaller store then i don't think they would have it on display but may have it in stock.
If you want a HD2 you've got more chance calling to 202 number even their flagship stores have sold out.
They are basically only letting existing customers get it via upgrades currently. I guess because they are struggling to meet demand even from there upgrades customers.
Call 202 2 2 2 should get you to retentions and ask them for it, if you are an existing customer that is.