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Sadly enough I have noticed that the xperia X1 does not like my premium volkswagen carkit. As used in passat or audi or skoda superb, bmw, Mercedes, etc.
I have an RNS-510, but have also tried it with a RNS-310. Both having the premium carkit in it. Also called carkit III.
It uses rSAP to enable transfer of contacts and phone settings control.
I have tested with a nokia N95 and it works perfectly fine with that after you enable the remote sim access profile. Also known as SAP.
Sadly enough, the X1 refuses to connect. The carkit just says the phone is not compatible.
Anybody have any clue what to do?
Maybe a custom ROM which does have this functionality? Or a tool that can be added?
u r talking about remote sim access right?
my rom (cmex absolute touch) got an option to enable it under bluetooth setting (connections)
Yes or You use this little cab! Works perfectly with VW Golf VI PRemium Handsfreekit. I used the smaller file, but if it dont works try the bigger one!
In the bluetoothsettings you should find the sap profile after the installation, and in the programs a small utility to activate it. the Xperia himself has no SAP Profile!
wow!
I definately came to the right place! I will try this out tommorow first thing and let you know if it works!
Thnx's again. Also considering your rom now achmed20, because I believe this is quite basic functionality which should have been there in the first place!
As I said, I'll let you know if this worked!
not working yet
Well, that helped, a bit.
I get to the connection screen, have to enter the 16 digit pincode and after that the car just says connecting, and stays doing this for a minute or two and then just says failed or not compatible.
So I'm a lot further, but it isn't working yet! I'm thinking because of all the things I have tried, I might have broken it somewhere, but unsure how or what.
Thinking of maybe flashing it with a different (custom) rom, to see if that might fix the problem.
Anyone have any other advice?
no experience with the kind of trouble your having but if you want to try off on a fresh start, i would do a hard reset, then install the cab fix that was recommended.
still not working
I just installed the cmEX absolute TOUCH rom and did a hard reset after that.
Enabled rsap on the last tab of bluetooth and the car says its connecting and just does that for a long time (after entering pin code). Sadly enough, it just times out.
Anybody have any clue what could be the problem? I have the feeling we are allmost there, but there is just a little thing causing it to time out.
rsap even says it's connected to my skoda and everything.
From what I can gather, the cmEX absolute TOUCH rom is based on a touch HD.
more testing!
Okay, from what I have been able to gather, the following is going on.
The carkit is trying to log on in a frequency that it cannot handle.
I have been able to connect the carkit, download the address book and make calls with my Xperia now. No problems what so ever....except one. I was using a SIM from a collega whom has a different network!
I use t-mobile and my collegea has kpn/telfort. Doing more research, I have learned that kpn/telfort and vodaphone use the 1800 band frequency. And that t-mobile uses the 900 frequency.
I am not entirely certain at this point that this truly is the real problem, but, my phone works, my carkit and car works, so all the software bits are in sync, but only using a different sim. Rebooting the phone, changing nothing but the sim, makes it completely broken again!!
I'm using a RNS-510 with the Skoda/VW premium carkit. If anyone is able to shed some light on this and what possible fixes could be, I'd really like to hear!
I have been looking (and mailed) if a fiscon unit could potentionaly fix this problem. They also have units which intergrate with the system.
But I'd rather find a software solution, obviously. Sadly enough, manny cases can be found where people have problems, often, with no solution. This problems is *NOT* specefic to the Xperia, I do realize that now, since the new ROM, rSAP is working just fine.
more complex then ever....
Okay, things just more complex then ever before.
My x1 using a HTC touch HD rom base and rSAP from HTC (default in rom).
KPN sim = works and can call
Vodaphone sim = logs in but carkit crashes on trying to connect to cell towers. But car connection functions.
T-mobile sim = connection to carkit never gets finished.
I'm totally lost. Using a friends N95, all the sims work flawlessly.... which makes me even more clueless, because the carkit reads the sim data and then connects using it's own radio to the cell network.
Please, advice? How can this be fixed? Is there a different version of the HTC rSAP software available maybe?
The plot thickens again.
Using my sim card in my X1, not working. Original ROM, Original ROM + rSAP extensions, cooked rom from touch HD with native rSAP. Just non-functional.
Using the exact same phone, without the t-mobile sim but with the KPN sim, works perfectly, no problems what so ever.
Using an older Nokia E50, both sims work flawlessly, also my t-mobile sim.
This leads me to one conclusion and that is that the HTC rSAP implementation is seriously bugged.
Anyone have any idea on how to proceed? Somewhere I have read that the HTC's wouldn't handle 3G or UMTS sims and only use older ones. But, using the KPN sim I connect to 3G and it works. Also the nokia E50 of N95 can use any network and it just plain works. There for that statement is wrong in my opinion and it is caused by buggy software of HTC.
Anyone have a good idea on how to proceed? Lots of people having this problem and buying nokia's, but for no real reason other then buggy software it seems.
I really like my X1, and payed a lot of money for it, so I really need this to start working.... Please assist and help, also people with a diamond or other HTC, using the same software.
sadly enough, no progress
Did some tests again today, but sadly enough, no progress yet.
I'm going to try and get a hold of a Touch Diamond and a Touch HD and see how those preform with my sim. If my suspiciouns are correct, they will also fail, making this a combination of bad software with bugs with certain sim's.
That is the conclusion I am faced with right now... sadly enough, no idea how this can be remedied.
Are there developers whom might be able to write a reliable rsap implementation or will HTC ever come with a working version?
What do you guys think?
Sonyericsson will not provide SAP for the Xperia. Thats the point....
Been in contact with support
I have been in contact with Sony-Ericsson support and they tell me they cannot make the X1 compatible, because it is not just software.
Off course, to me this sound like total bull****, seeying I have allready had an raap connection with the X1. But this was either using HTC software add-on's or using a rom that was based on the htc touch HD.
Sadly enough, I cannot work without this functionality... and thus will be forced to sell my phone and buy... a nokia.... not bad, since I have had nokia's all my life. But I really really do not eNjoy beying forced to do so.
But everybody has known that the xperia has no SAP Profile... in every test, in every Datasheet you can see it! Why you buyed an xperia?
Wrong order
I orderd the x1 around the same time I orderd my new car (Skoda Superb II 2.0 TDI Ambition Business line ).
The car came with a carkit that can only do rSAP, but it is very very nicely intergrated with a external antenna, full adress book acces, etc. etc.
To my amazement, there was no rSAP on the phone, while all current high end models do carry support for it. Thus thought that a simple program or rom fix would provide it.... sadly enough, while some stuff works, it is very very flaky.
So it's a combination issue, off course I realize that. But I'd rather replace my phone and sell the x1, then having to change the carkit piece in my car (it is far more expensive). And still, I just cannot believe that such a basic function, is not in there.
Especially because it is made by HTC, which do carry this functionality!
So the problem was created by having both products in the same time frame. And my reluctance to believe such a high end phone would not carry this protocol.
From closer reading though. It seems that the x1 (with a custom rom) is not at fault here. If my speculations are right, any htc device with rsap from factory even has a big change that it is not going to function. Also reflected by my tests.
Using a HTC touch HD based rom on the X1, rsap is added and functions brilliantly using a KPN sim. Vodaphone works sometimes and crashes the carkit now and then and using a t-mobile sim, it does not work, at all. Since I have a t-mobile business account... it doesn't work at all for me.
I have not been able to get a hold of a Touch HD or Touch Pro to test if these problems also form on that phone, but will do so when I get the change.
So for now, even the HTC software seems to be bugged and thus I have formed my conclusion that my best option is to go back to nokia (which I have used for about 10 years now). The x1 is great, but not beying able to call in the car.... that just isn't going to work for me.
The new N97 looks pretty decent....
I have a jetta 06 tdi with mfd2(dvd version rev c) and skoda (kufatec) bluetooth modul installed by myself. I can do a Synchronisation of the Phonebook with Names and Numbers , dialed and missed calls , incomming calls with Names and i have a option to accept or decline a Call from the fis display , using my Multifunction Steering Wheel. Everything working perfect with my Xperia x1i.
Hmm
Most likely that module is a fiscon module or an older part of skoda. Am I correct?
The fiscon does not use rsap and older premium carkits from VW also did not. But their newest carkits included in the passat CC and skoda superb II are rsap only.
Quindor said:
Most likely that module is a fiscon module or an older part of skoda. Am I correct?
The fiscon does not use rsap and older premium carkits from VW also did not. But their newest carkits included in the passat CC and skoda superb II are rsap only.
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Im not sure we can post a direct link here to another website , but there is what im using in my Jetta : http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_....html/XTCsid/9f268df051bdc7806c7825cc426d606c
Old Version
Ah, yes. That is an orginal skoda part, but it is the older version from the Superb I and not the Superb II. That uses the other profiles and not rSAP.
touch HD behaves just the same
Hi everybody.
I had the chance to test both X1 (rSAP from cabs in post #3, thanks by the way) and HD (native rSAP implementation) on a VW touareg premium car kit and I must say they suffer from the same problems: most of the time the connection is established, but immediately drops and enters an endless loop of connection/disconnection, where everything can happen: car kit crashes, phone crashes, vodafone goes bankrupt, etc.
What hurts the most, though, is that very rarely and randomly, the connection with X1 is firmly established and everything, for unknown reasons, starts to work fine. This drives me crazy, for it would be a lot easier to cope if the feature wasn't available full stop.
Nonetheless, this makes me think a solution must exist somewhere, but I'm too much of a noob to find it...
Hope this helps, byebye.
Hi everybody,
is there any news using the Mercedes Bluetooth SAP cradle with the HTC Touch HD?
Comand will detect the Phone, but then won't trigger the authentication dialog on the phone but instead gives up immediately.
Thanks
Frank
The version using remote SIM access will not work, you have to replace it with the Hands Free Profile adaptor Mercedes Part No:B6787 5877, which works fine but doesn't use the antenna and amp built into the car, it uses the phone's own antenna so connection is not as reliable. Has been working OK for me though.
SAP compatibility
Yeh, I would of thought a high profile phone like the HD would support this.
I have had to settle for the far inferior HFP with poor connectivity and reception.
I don't think it is rocket science, but perhaps less of a priority for our wizards at XDA.
Would welcome any suggestions besides changing my phone or my car.
I'm using the MB Bluetooth cradle adaptor in an '07 ML. Pairs up and works great for answering and dialing out but there is no access to the HD phonebook or previously dialed numbers. Sad as the wifes iPhone is 100% compatible.
mmdirk
I have exactly the same problem,just added a new post on this!
I find that once you flash a rom you can have full functionality but when you add any extra programs you cannot view the address book or the recent calls.Very frustrating.
It would be awesome if someone stumbled upon a tweak that would correct the problem. I'll try some bluetooth setting changes in montecristoff's HD tweak and report back if I have any success.
I am using the VW Passats Sim Access Profile and this works perfectly. Make sure that the SAP is activated under the bluetooth settings on the phone..
I also cannot sync the adress book, but had the same problem with my old Touch. Guess this is a WinMob problem. A workaround is to use the SIM Manager and copy your contacts on your SIM card as well, they won't show up in the contact list anyhow. Then have the car sync with the SIM card and all is ok...
remko
Thanks,I've tried that,unfortunately it still does not work.Considering this state of the art equipment,its very sad that there is still no solution after many years(given that I am sure this is possible with a little effort by the people in the know how).Mercedes have screwed this up big-style..again
Actually, I'm not sure its MB's fault. Like I said the wifes iPhone is 100% compatible and so was her Motorola razr before that. To me this points the finger at WM.
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Actually, I'm not sure its MB's fault. Like I said the wifes iPhone is 100% compatible and so was her Motorola razr before that. To me this points the finger at WM.
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Actually it's Mercedez's fault. MB is known by the lack of support for BT connection on their cars...
My father has a CLS, and by default only supports a handful of mobile phones. He has a SE k800i and the CLS wont go with that phone. And there's a official list, from MB, with only a few phones that work with the builtin BT on the CLS.
On the other hand his phone works like a charm, like my HD, on my BMW S1. This also includes full support on BT SAP.
Shame to MB
Note: I don't know if these issues have changed lately, ie more support to more BT phones from MB on their cars. Maybe now MB has more support on this.
I've got a jvc headunit which is pairing nicely and auto connecting with my hd, one main issue though it it doesn't seem to be sending through the id3 tags, anyone managed to get these sent through from htc touchflo 3d?
i`m having the same problem! using the HTC Touch Pro with Mercedes Bluetooth HFP Cradle on E Class. Everything works perfect, except the thing, that i can`t see my contacts on the Command!
Any suggestions, please
N95 and SAP
I have a Nokia N95 8gb and I'm thinking of buying the Mercedes bluetooth SAP-profile for my CLK. I was a bit surprised though when I read on www.viseeo.se (in Sweden) that the SAP-profile does not import the contacts from the phone memory, only the SIM-memory.
Anybody using N95 with the MB SAP that can confirm this?
I prefer original MB products of course.
Thanks!
I can confirm that the N95 8GB works with the SAP module but you do have to copy your contacts onto the SIM.
Rapidly starting to regret getting a new Sony X1...
Are there any news about this problem?
I cannot connect the htc touch hd with the BT craddle from my mercedes glk (partnbr: A2048200535).
I had no problems with accessing the phonebook (POL and SIM) with the HFP Module on my 2005 C-Class (Comand) and my Orbit. The 2009 C-Class uses a different system so I cant say anything about the HD. BUT, I had good success (in the former car) with this little software when it came to the sync of bigger contact lists: JetWare Mobile http://www.jetwaremobile.com/
Lets you choose what contacts you want to sync. Perhaps it helps you with your problem, too.
Tobbi
I have a problem where my HD2 does not work properly with my Land Rover Freelander 2 in-built bluetooth car kit.
The HD2 pairs with the car and I can search my phone book, see my last dialled number, I can even dial a number, BUT, the phone does not connect properly - the car radio should cut out and phone audio come through the car speakers, but instead the radio just continues to play. And shortly after the call is connected to the other party the line is terminated.
My Nokia phone works perfectly with my car, but this phone does not. Even my Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 did not for properly with the Freelander 2.
I did manage to make one successful call, but after I stopped and restarted the car, the problem returned!! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
So, does any one know of a fix? Surely hands free/car kit is a standard?
Help!
same problem here. i have a bluetooth car stereo. Always worked fine with my previous HTC's. But now with the HD2 i get the exact same problems as you... I think it's software bug. i have rom version 1.43.404.1 NLD
i hope this gets sorted out cause i use bluetooth audio streaming a lot in the car....same for handsfree calling
Paired it with my Pioneer FH-P80BT on my way to sell my 3GS and recieved a call. Got the same issue as described above - just a bug i presume.
I'm experiancing similar problems. All works fine (incoming call's or outgoing call's) but they get disconnected randomly it seems. I'm using a JVX NX7000 by the way. No problem with my iPhone. Hope they fix it soon!
I tested it with my BMW Idrive last night which is notoriously difficult and it worked fine, I was really surprised tbh! But was able to recieve and make calls, the stereo cut out and could see the phone book too. With my N82 i was only ever able to make/receive calls.
Same problem - Jaguar XF - it docks ok but I have to initiate calls from car (vs phone). Just some weirdness going on...
glenner05 said:
same problem here. i have a bluetooth car stereo. Always worked fine with my previous HTC's. But now with the HD2 i get the exact same problems as you... I think it's software bug. i have rom version 1.43.404.1 NLD
i hope this gets sorted out cause i use bluetooth audio streaming a lot in the car....same for handsfree calling
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Mercedes brutality
I have a new Mercedes C, and when the HD2 is connected over bluetooth I get an extremely loud, strange ringtone when receiving a call. It is so loud it could really make your shoes go off.
Also it is none of the ringtones available to choose from, inside the phone - it sounds more like a BIOS beep from a PC and hits me while the normal ringtone is playing as well.
It definitely comes from the phone, not from the car stereo. I have not figured out how to resolve this, I think it is outright dangerous for unprepared drivers.
I have a Nissan Pathfinder; it paired ok, and dials from the Pathy without probs. Ringtone is ok too. Sound quality seems better than my old Tytn so all in all v happy.
Doesn't stream music, but that's Nissan's fault, not HTC.
Works fine with the Ford BT system in the Ford Focus (2009).
HTC HD2 Pairing with a Freelander 2 - SUCESS!!!
Success!!!
So far so good, I applied a known change to the HD2 registry and I am now making and answering calls without fuss!
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone.
Hope this helps everyone.
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Success!!!
So far so good, I applied a known change to the HD2 registry and I am now making and answering calls without fuss!
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone.
Hope this helps everyone.
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Hello i have same problem with my BMW X5. Can you explain better your steps ?
graemenwallace said:
Success!!!
So far so good, I applied a known change to the HD2 registry and I am now making and answering calls without fuss!
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone.
Hope this helps everyone.
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Interesting, I have a similar problem with my 2009 BMW 3 I explain here (sorry I posted before discovering this thread) and I'll try your registry tweak.
But you say that it is "a known change" to the HD2, could you tell us where you saw it ? Is there another discussion about the BT stack somewhere or more generaly about the Widcomm implementation in the HD2 ?
The HD2 being so recent and in short supply, I'm a bit surprised something like that is "well known"
Thanks for your help.
It works !
graemenwallace, I just tried after applying your tweak and... OMG, this is AWSOME man, it just WORKS !
I still just have one gripe though, it seems that the car doesn't always receive the RF level correctly at the first connection. Sometimes it sees the phone as having no carrier at all (no bars in the RX level display), preventing the car to make any calls, but as soon as I receive a call, the level resets to full bars and I can pick the call and make calls myself after that.
When the first call comes in, I can see the display with no bars and a "?" appearing on top of it for a short time before it becomes full bars.
So there is still some compatibility problems, but at least now I can pick-up incoming calls without risking my life.
So I suppose you are a potential life saver then
Thanks mate,
Yves.
Bluetooth is working YES with JVC KD-AVX44 ADV49
After the registry tweak from graemenwallace the bluetooth connection is working properly with my car radio (JVC KD-AVX44/KD-ADV49).
The phone functions ok now (incoming & outgoing calls) Also the AD2P connection is super (very good sound)
Also the ID3 tags are functioning (didn't function with the X1 Xperia)
I see the track title now into the JVC display
Skipping etc. all is functioning. I will tell HTC about it because I have a ticket running for this issue. I think they have to solve this issue
Big thanks for this trick
By doing a little search on the net, it seems like graemenwallace suggested that this problem is not new with smartphones that identify themselves as such.
The tweak above forces the BT stack of the phone to identify itself as a standard phone instead of a smartphone.
What's puzzling is that my BMW handsfree worked with other smartphones so far, including the iphone.
Anyway, it's ok now, but I wonder what bad press this will cause to HTC.
The majority of the users are unaware of this kind of wizardry and this justs adds up to the long list of bugs of the HD2.
When I first got the phone a few days ago I was rapidly convinced to return it immediatly as it's fancy interface wasn't enough to overcome all the shortcomings. It was plain unusable as a business phone.
Now after applying most of the tweaks, it begins to show potential, but HTC really has to work on the problems we can't fix by tweaking the registry.
I tried this also, but for me it didn't work.
But my situation is a bit different, as I am not able to connect the HD2 through the Sim Access Profile with my car, which is an Audi A6 mit Bluetooth preparation and I have also the Audi rSAP Adaptor installed in the centre arm rest.
My problem is, that I get a connection to the car, but SAP does not activate and I can't get access to my phonebook - so I only have kind of a handsfree profile...
Am I right that you all use the handsfree profile in your cars and no SAP?
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Works fine with the Ford BT system in the Ford Focus (2009).
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Does your Ford system have the Bluetooth audio choice?
I get my Ford Focus changed every six months coz i'm a driving instructor and it comes as part of the deal.
On my last Ford Focus my htc tytn 2 connected ok and I could make and receive calls ok.
However, when the new car was delivered the Ford system had bluetooth audio choice and ipod integration which the other one didn't.
Now my htc tytn 2 didn't connect very well at all.
Now with my HD2 it does connect only if I have the bluetooth audio profile selected.
But now the music player keeps appearing and wants to play music all the time. If I pause the music on the phone it just starts replaying.
Anyway I will try the registry tweak in this thread and hopefully that will solve the problem.
Paul.
Jolig said:
I tried this also, but for me it didn't work.
But my situation is a bit different, as I am not able to connect the HD2 through the Sim Access Profile with my car, which is an Audi A6 mit Bluetooth preparation and I have also the Audi rSAP Adaptor installed in the centre arm rest.
My problem is, that I get a connection to the car, but SAP does not activate and I can't get access to my phonebook - so I only have kind of a handsfree profile...
Am I right that you all use the handsfree profile in your cars and no SAP?
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I have the same problem. I`ll try to pair my HD2 with MB C-klass using SAP but i can`t get them connected it seems like a SAP adaptor can`t activate a PIN input window on HD2 (i guess). With other phones it works perfect (tryed with Nokia 5800, 6500).
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I have a new Mercedes C, and when the HD2 is connected over bluetooth I get an extremely loud, strange ringtone when receiving a call. It is so loud it could really make your shoes go off.
Also it is none of the ringtones available to choose from, inside the phone - it sounds more like a BIOS beep from a PC and hits me while the normal ringtone is playing as well.
It definitely comes from the phone, not from the car stereo. I have not figured out how to resolve this, I think it is outright dangerous for unprepared drivers.
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could you pls describe, how did get them paired? when i try to pair them, i see the device`s id, try to "call" it, see pin code and after that i hear the descending tone. and it nothing occurs. SAP is enabled, device is discoverable, what else? Any idea?
Jolig said:
I tried this also, but for me it didn't work.
But my situation is a bit different, as I am not able to connect the HD2 through the Sim Access Profile with my car, which is an Audi A6 mit Bluetooth preparation and I have also the Audi rSAP Adaptor installed in the centre arm rest.
My problem is, that I get a connection to the car, but SAP does not activate and I can't get access to my phonebook - so I only have kind of a handsfree profile...
Am I right that you all use the handsfree profile in your cars and no SAP?
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I feel your pain, my wife has a GolfPlus and the rSAP instalation is crap.
It's overly expensive and useless if you don't have one of the few phones compatible with it.
Unfortunately, many customers are falling in this trap, thinking it is a standard handsfree, but it is not, it is a full GSM build-in which only access your phone SIM card to log into the network and download your contacts.
In the case of my wife, the dealer was honest and clearly stated that it was a mistake to order this option.
The only problem is that he had no other alternative than proposing an Parrot retrofit which wasn't really an option for me as it wasn't integrated in the car and certainly not in the navigation system.
But internet is your friend and the solution is quite simple, the Kufatec kit.
This is brilliant, it is a small box that connects to the CAN bus of many german cars and integrates perfectly into existing navigators, it uses the steering wheels command buttons and so on.
It is much better (more functions) than original BT options, is tailored to each brand so that the displays are in the same style as the original ones etc.
More interesting, it is field upgradable (just a laptop with BT) so that it is potentialy compatible with anything existing or not yet.
And it only costs a fraction of this crappy rSAP option.
In your case, the good news is that it can simply replace your actual rSAP kit for a minimal installation fee. (the CAN bus has to be reprogramed however, so professional instalation needed)
There is another solution: to replace the unit you have (it is situated under the driver's seat) by a skoda unit. This unit has the same connector but is simple handsfree instead of rSAP.
Hope this helps.
Hi @ all,
just got my HD2 with german ROM and one of the first things I tried out was to get a connection to my car (Audi A6) through the remote sim access profile (SAP, rSAP) - but it didn't work...
Does someone use the HD2 in his car using the sim access profile, as available in Audi or VW cars?
I have
- Audi A6 Avant (model 03/2008)
- using the "Audi rSAP Adaptor" in the car cradle, located in the arm rest
- everything in the HD2 is activated for Sim Access
Result:
HD2 and car are connecting, I have to put the 16 digit security code in my phone, but after that the SAP mode does not start, and so I have no access to my phonebook. It seems that I only have a "normal" bluetooth handsfree connection, because the HD2 still shows that he is booked into the mobile network - and when rSAP is active, the phone itself disconnects from the network and "falls asleep".
I restarted my HD2 several times, also the rSAP-Adapter by turning ignition of the car off and on until the adaptor switches off, deleting the connections, creating new connections, but nothing helps...
Any comments or experiences from other users are highliy appreciated
Finally, I have to remark that my HTC Snap, which I just upgraded to WM 6.5, works very good im my car with the rSAP - no problems at all, I get all my contacts in the MMI.
Thanks in advance,
Jolig
Just got my HD2 and am having the same problem.
I'm trying to connect with a 2009MY Skoda Superb with the rSAP bluetooth kit.
This works fine with my E71 and my HTC Touch Cruise.
I've been told that there used to be an issue with OBEX authentication on previous versions of Windows Mobile. Apparently, it was important to disable this authentication. However, I can't see the checkbox in the version of WM that the HD2 is running.
Does anyone know what registry entry this checkbox might have been changing?
Thanks,
Bagpuss.
Thanks Bagpuss,
who gave you this information?
I hope someone can solve this problem....but I fear we have to wait until we have more HD2 - owners
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EDIT:
I just have read something about the "Schaps Advanced Configuration Tool" where someone with similar problems activated OBEX (but it was an older Win Mobile device, and some months ago) - perhaps this could help?
But I just installed version 3.3 of this tool, but it doesn't work on my HD2...
Hi Jolig,
Check out this thread:
http://briskoda.net/superb-ii/howto...us-rns510-using-non-compatible-mobile/131709/
on Briskoda.net.
One of the guys there had lots of problems getting his WM phone to work, and posted the fruits of his labours.
From what I can tell, we can't use the CAB file he mentions, as rSAP is built into the OS version that the HD2 uses.
I've actually logged this issue with HTC, and am awaiting their response. My company is considering the HD2 as our next standard handset, and we won't go for it unless the rSAP functionality works with all VW/Audi group cars.
I'll let you know if they get back to me.
Bagpuss.
Thx Bagpuss,
and yes, in my opinion it's a mess that the rSAP is apparently VERY unimportant for most people or manufacturers...otherwise we wouldn't have this trouble....
I will come back too if I should find some news.
Had the same problem, tried lots of stuff but none of my WM devices is able to work with the rSap protocol. Gave up on it and then my Skoda Columbus system was stolen.
Replaced it with a JVC 7000 with detachable front. Disabled the rSap carkit and am now using the JVC BT carkit wich is working great. The problem is in the MS BT stack. It is not supporting the rSap the way it should. Only phones that work flawlessly are Nokia's I'm afraid...
The lack of rSAP support is what made me ignore the iPhone this time around.
I was hoping that the HD2 would be a viable alternative, but sadly, it doesn't look like this is going to be the case.
As I bought it over the phone, then I've got 7 days in which to return it. If I can't get it to work, then I guess I'll be getting an N97 or N97 Mini (which will definitely work). :-(
Bagpuss.
@ Bagpuss,
otherwise, as I wrote, I can recommend trying the small HTC Snap (or also called Maple?).
Ok, this one has no touch screen and also a very small screen - but I can confirm he works with rSAP and is not too expensive. I will keep this one, although I now have the HD2
As to Bagpuss' information concerning the OBEX, I tried the following:
- installed the newest .NET framework version
(that was necessary to get Advanced Config Tool v 3.3 running)
- install Schap's Advanced Config Tool
- in the menu "Bluetooth", I enabled OBEX
- after that the config tool does a soft reset
...still no success....no SAP and no phone book
I also wrote an email to HTC - it's really annoying, having SAP in the phone etc. and nothing works.
I've a Golf VI (RNS510) and it's working very well. Just had to change Bluetooth security settings that by default does not make HD2 visible to other devices. And after partnership was established, I've reverted the settings to "Allow only devices from MyDevices to connect"
Hi Binks821,
Binks821 said:
I've a Golf VI (RNS510) and it's working very well. Just had to change Bluetooth security settings that by default does not make HD2 visible to other devices. And after partnership was established, I've reverted the settings to "Allow only devices from MyDevices to connect"
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Can you confirm if your Golf has the premium bluetooth preparation?
There are two different versions of factory bluetooth kit for the RNS510, one which simply acts as a handsfree device, and the other (premium) which is a complete GSM phone.
It's the premium kit which uses rSAP, and which seems to be incompatible with the HD2.
You can tell if your Golf is using rSAP by checking to see if the signal strength meter on the HD2 shows any bars when connected to the car. If it does, then it's not using rSAP. If you see the signal meter with a little x in the corner, then it is using rSAP.
If you do have rSAP working, then I'd really like to know which firmware version your RNS510 is running, and also which firmware version you have in your HD2.
Thanks,
Bagpuss.
yes I've the premium version with RSAP access, not just handset.
Once partnership is established, it says SIM Access profile in Bluetooth settings, not Handset. And it disables my SIM on the phone, so no strength meter.
I had a Tytn before, and it was working the same way. Just when received my HD2 Monday, it was not working but default settings on the phone make HD2 not visible, So I received a message on the car saying "No compatible phone found". After playing with Bluetooth security settings, it was OK.
And of course I can import SIM contacts.
Be sure to check these settings (Settings tab in Sense, then Menu-> All Settings -> Bluetooth)
- Discoverable: always visible
- Advanced -> Connectivity: Allow all devices to connect, just during setup. After that change to "Allow only devices listed in My Devices to connect"
- Advanced -> SIM Access: be sure that rSAP is enabled
HD2 version info:
- OS: 5.2.21864 (21864.5.0.81)
- Manila: 2.5.19202525.0
For the car I have to check once I'll be in.
Hi Binks281,
Thanks for the confirmation.
I've now done some further testing in my car, and managed to have some success.
This is what I did.
In the car:
1) Remove all device pairings from the bluetooth system in the car.
On the HD2:
1) Perform a hard reset.
2) Turn on bluetooth. Make HD2 permanently discoverable.
3) Make sure rSAP is enabled (it is by default).
4) Turn off SIM pin (turns out this isn't necessary, but I wanted to make things simple).
So, at this point, I have the car system with no paired phones, and the HD2 with factory settings and no personal data (contacts etc.). I also made sure there were no contacts on the SIM card.
Back in the car, I perform a device search, and it detects the HD2.
I select the HD2, and the car displays the pairing password (1111 2222 3333 4444).
On the HD2, I enter the password.
I then get a prompt saying that Skoda_rSAP is trying to connect to the remote sim access service. I say allow, and also tick the box to allow all future connections.
After about 10 seconds, the maxidot in the car says 'New SIM card recognised', and prompts me to create a new user profile. I called it 'HTC_HD2'.
After about another 15-20 seconds, the car should extract the SIM details from the phone and the phone name, network and signal bars should appear in the car display.
You can now make calls, but there is no phonebook.
Given what others have said about the phonebook access, I'm pretty sure that this is what was stopping the pairing from working the first time I tried it. I've heard various stories, some which say that the phonebook access only works with SIM card contacts, some which say it only works with OBEX authentication switched off and so on.
If you look at the paired devices screen in the phone, then you can see connections coming into phone. First, you see a connection to the SIM Access profile, followed by a brief connection to the Phone Book Access profile. It was at this point, when accessing the phone book, that my previous attempts to pair failed.
I'm still trying to work out what is causing the problem with the phone, but I have done the following things:
1) Told the car to only sync phone memory contacts. By default, it's set to sync both SIM and phone memory. You can configure this on the car by going to Settings -> Phonebook -> Select Memory, and choosing 'Mobile Phone'.
2) Created four contacts in phone memory, one with only 1 mobile number, one with 2 numbers (mobile and home) and another two with three numbers (mobile, home and work). I've then gone into Settings -> Phonebook -> Upload and sync these across to the car.
So far, this has worked fine and disconnecting and reconnecting to the car works without a hitch.
I'm now going to try syncing a small subset of my contacts with ActiveSync to see if this also works.
If it does, then I'll gradually increase the number until it either works, or fails.
I'll report my progress here.
Bagpuss.
Thanks Bagpuss,
sounds interesting!
I think tomorrow I will try this also:
- remove all paired phones in the car-system
- delete all contacts
- disable SIM Pin
Temporarily I am not sure if I will do a hart reset in the first step because I've already installed so much... When the work fails, I thing I must do it
I will report what happened.
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Ah, come on...TV this evening nothing interesting, wife in bed...I tried it, including hardreset
No success.
Bagpuss, what I detected:
First, you see a connection to the SIM Access profile, followed by a brief connection to the Phone Book Access profile. It was at this point, when accessing the phone book, that my previous attempts to pair failed.
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This connection to the Sim Access Profile I see also, but only for one second, then it dissappears and then the connection "Handsfree" comes up - and this one remains....
I do not know else what to do.
I now reconnected my beloved HTC Snap/Maple, and now I will start installing my apps on the HD2....
Hi Jolig,
Sorry to hear that it didn't work.
By the sounds of it, the Audi system is somewhat different to the VW/Skoda one. From what I can tell, your system also appears to support using phones in handsfree mode (I'm guessing that the iPhone works in your car).
In the VW/Skoda cars, you can either have a car kit that acts as a handsfree device or one that uses rSAP, but not both.
It could just be that the HD2 isn't responding to the rSAP request quickly enough to satisfy the MMI. In that event, it falls back to using handsfree mode.
When it shows 'handsfree' on the HD2, can you use the MMI to make calls?
This whole area seems to be a bit flaky on the HD2, as I still can't work out why mine didn't work when I first tried.
Bagpuss.
Binks821 said:
yes I've the premium version with RSAP access, not just handset.
Once partnership is established, it says SIM Access profile in Bluetooth settings, not Handset. And it disables my SIM on the phone, so no strength meter.
I had a Tytn before, and it was working the same way. Just when received my HD2 Monday, it was not working but default settings on the phone make HD2 not visible, So I received a message on the car saying "No compatible phone found". After playing with Bluetooth security settings, it was OK.
And of course I can import SIM contacts.
Be sure to check these settings (Settings tab in Sense, then Menu-> All Settings -> Bluetooth)
- Discoverable: always visible
- Advanced -> Connectivity: Allow all devices to connect, just during setup. After that change to "Allow only devices listed in My Devices to connect"
- Advanced -> SIM Access: be sure that rSAP is enabled
HD2 version info:
- OS: 5.2.21864 (21864.5.0.81)
- Manila: 2.5.19202525.0
For the car I have to check once I'll be in.
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Hello Binks821,
I believe that I have the same hardware situation like you but I can't get my HD2 started on my VW Passat with the Premium FSE. The problem is, that I can go through the whole "finding and connecting process" and can save the PIN but then the Connection gets lost between the HD2 and the PFSE. If seems that the PFSE can't connect to the Network (E-Plus) but why the BT-Connect gets lost in this case.
Maybe you can help me to get it work. Thanks a lot!
Negropo
Hello everybody,
maybe I found a solution that work for every sap-handsfree-set. I tried the hint was given on the german car forum "motor-talk" for the connection problem between a vw pfse and the htc touch diamond with wm 6.1 or 6.5.
The trick is that you have to disconnect the HD2 from the pfse by manual when the car first want's to connect automatically. You have to go to the BT-Setup to the tab where are the connected devices listed. If you click on the "+" right of the name of the device you should be seen the tab "Remote Sim Access" or in german "Sim-Zugriff". When the car connect's to the HD2you have to stop this by pressing disconnect in the right below corner of the HD2 screen. Then the connection is terminated. Now you have to start the connection manual over the menu in your car. In a VW you have to press only "connect" in the MFA. And then the HD2 should connect without problems. I don't know why it works but it does. Maybe there is someone here who can explain it and find another "automatic" solution for this problem.
Regards Norman
Well, I don't have a VW but an Audi with an rSAP-Adaptor in the middle arm rest. I fear this also doesn't work for me.
The problem is that this Tab "Sim Access" only appears for just one second, so I have no chance to make anything whithin this single second....and after disppearing of the tab "sim access" another tab "handsfree" appears - and stays. So it seems my Audi only recognizes a handsfree profile. I don't know why,
Temporarily I am happy that I still have my HTC Snap, which is working very fine with rSAP
@ Negropo, can you tell me in which thread at motor-talk you found that?
Thanks,
Jolig
Hi guys,
rSAP works fine with my Audi A4 BTA. I made the HD2 discoverable for any device and I activated the SIM access in the HD2 BT settings. Then I start searching for Bt device on my Audi BT and initiated the connection with the HD2.After inserting the 16 character pin everything works fine.
By the way ... the connections seems to be very stable. With the Touch Diamond I had from time to time connection interrupts where it was necessary to reset/restart the Touch Diamond again.
Best regards,
Matthias
@ Matthias,
"BTA" means that you have the built-in phone with rSAP, right? Is it a brandnew A4?
Hi,
has anyone had any experiences with trying to pair an SII (mine's running 2.3.4 stock) with an up to date Bluetooth phone module in a VW group vehicle. These support RSAP (GSMIII prep) as well as GSMII (lUHV/AD2P). I've sucessfully got the phone and BT module to pair but not always cleanly. When the handset is pairing via BT the signal bar display is replaced by the NO NETWORK (circle with diagonal slash) on the phone. If the pairing completes before this changes back to the normal signal bars then the BT module shows the phone as paired but with no network (even though the phone subsequently connects back to the service provider). Just wondered if anyone had experience pairing SII phones with VW group bluetooth modules... (I've actually replaced the module on my car with the latest D series one (5N0035730D).
Any feedback/experiences appreciated.
I have a Passat and it works like a charm with all used firmware version of GT-I9100 up to several 2.3.4 stock roms. I use currently I9100XXKG3-I9100XXKG3-I9100OXAKG3.
Just make you SG2 visible in Settings-Networks-Bluetooth and search with car's multimedia unit for a phone. Car display will show you a code like 1111222233334444 which you need to enter in SG2 when asked for it. Be quick otherwise it is canceled. If you have success you will be asked 2 (!) times to confirm permissions. Look in notification bar. One for connect and one for address book (Sorry if keyword are not fit 100%. I do this from my memory).
Works like a charm!
I also use my SII with great success in my Passat CC with the rSAP solution. The radio on the SII is supposed to turn off as the car has its own cellphone integrated and only "borrows" the SIM card over BT. My phone show two BT icons when it is working, and the phone in the car uses a few seconds to register on the network after it gained control over the SIM card.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA App
thanks for the feeback.. Sounds like the sort of thing I'm seeing... I see two BT symbols too... sometimes with two little arrows pointing inward during pairing.. Still though, i get NO NETWORK on the BT unit unless my phone comes back online before the pairing completes. It would appear the BT unit i have has two RSAP modes but I've no idea what the difference between them is (you can flip modes from the car menus). Just wish I could get this working reliably.I can't figure out why its being so problematic when everyone else's seems to work fine. I've uplifted the RNS 510 f/w to 2764 and have the latest BT D series unit available. I guess I can try an alternative simcard and handset to see if its any different... if anyone else has any advice it's always welcome...
thanks anyways.
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