Sadly enough I have noticed that the xperia X1 does not like my premium volkswagen carkit. As used in passat or audi or skoda superb, bmw, Mercedes, etc.
I have an RNS-510, but have also tried it with a RNS-310. Both having the premium carkit in it. Also called carkit III.
It uses rSAP to enable transfer of contacts and phone settings control.
I have tested with a nokia N95 and it works perfectly fine with that after you enable the remote sim access profile. Also known as SAP.
Sadly enough, the X1 refuses to connect. The carkit just says the phone is not compatible.
Anybody have any clue what to do?
Maybe a custom ROM which does have this functionality? Or a tool that can be added?
u r talking about remote sim access right?
my rom (cmex absolute touch) got an option to enable it under bluetooth setting (connections)
Yes or You use this little cab! Works perfectly with VW Golf VI PRemium Handsfreekit. I used the smaller file, but if it dont works try the bigger one!
In the bluetoothsettings you should find the sap profile after the installation, and in the programs a small utility to activate it. the Xperia himself has no SAP Profile!
wow!
I definately came to the right place! I will try this out tommorow first thing and let you know if it works!
Thnx's again. Also considering your rom now achmed20, because I believe this is quite basic functionality which should have been there in the first place!
As I said, I'll let you know if this worked!
not working yet
Well, that helped, a bit.
I get to the connection screen, have to enter the 16 digit pincode and after that the car just says connecting, and stays doing this for a minute or two and then just says failed or not compatible.
So I'm a lot further, but it isn't working yet! I'm thinking because of all the things I have tried, I might have broken it somewhere, but unsure how or what.
Thinking of maybe flashing it with a different (custom) rom, to see if that might fix the problem.
Anyone have any other advice?
no experience with the kind of trouble your having but if you want to try off on a fresh start, i would do a hard reset, then install the cab fix that was recommended.
still not working
I just installed the cmEX absolute TOUCH rom and did a hard reset after that.
Enabled rsap on the last tab of bluetooth and the car says its connecting and just does that for a long time (after entering pin code). Sadly enough, it just times out.
Anybody have any clue what could be the problem? I have the feeling we are allmost there, but there is just a little thing causing it to time out.
rsap even says it's connected to my skoda and everything.
From what I can gather, the cmEX absolute TOUCH rom is based on a touch HD.
more testing!
Okay, from what I have been able to gather, the following is going on.
The carkit is trying to log on in a frequency that it cannot handle.
I have been able to connect the carkit, download the address book and make calls with my Xperia now. No problems what so ever....except one. I was using a SIM from a collega whom has a different network!
I use t-mobile and my collegea has kpn/telfort. Doing more research, I have learned that kpn/telfort and vodaphone use the 1800 band frequency. And that t-mobile uses the 900 frequency.
I am not entirely certain at this point that this truly is the real problem, but, my phone works, my carkit and car works, so all the software bits are in sync, but only using a different sim. Rebooting the phone, changing nothing but the sim, makes it completely broken again!!
I'm using a RNS-510 with the Skoda/VW premium carkit. If anyone is able to shed some light on this and what possible fixes could be, I'd really like to hear!
I have been looking (and mailed) if a fiscon unit could potentionaly fix this problem. They also have units which intergrate with the system.
But I'd rather find a software solution, obviously. Sadly enough, manny cases can be found where people have problems, often, with no solution. This problems is *NOT* specefic to the Xperia, I do realize that now, since the new ROM, rSAP is working just fine.
more complex then ever....
Okay, things just more complex then ever before.
My x1 using a HTC touch HD rom base and rSAP from HTC (default in rom).
KPN sim = works and can call
Vodaphone sim = logs in but carkit crashes on trying to connect to cell towers. But car connection functions.
T-mobile sim = connection to carkit never gets finished.
I'm totally lost. Using a friends N95, all the sims work flawlessly.... which makes me even more clueless, because the carkit reads the sim data and then connects using it's own radio to the cell network.
Please, advice? How can this be fixed? Is there a different version of the HTC rSAP software available maybe?
The plot thickens again.
Using my sim card in my X1, not working. Original ROM, Original ROM + rSAP extensions, cooked rom from touch HD with native rSAP. Just non-functional.
Using the exact same phone, without the t-mobile sim but with the KPN sim, works perfectly, no problems what so ever.
Using an older Nokia E50, both sims work flawlessly, also my t-mobile sim.
This leads me to one conclusion and that is that the HTC rSAP implementation is seriously bugged.
Anyone have any idea on how to proceed? Somewhere I have read that the HTC's wouldn't handle 3G or UMTS sims and only use older ones. But, using the KPN sim I connect to 3G and it works. Also the nokia E50 of N95 can use any network and it just plain works. There for that statement is wrong in my opinion and it is caused by buggy software of HTC.
Anyone have a good idea on how to proceed? Lots of people having this problem and buying nokia's, but for no real reason other then buggy software it seems.
I really like my X1, and payed a lot of money for it, so I really need this to start working.... Please assist and help, also people with a diamond or other HTC, using the same software.
sadly enough, no progress
Did some tests again today, but sadly enough, no progress yet.
I'm going to try and get a hold of a Touch Diamond and a Touch HD and see how those preform with my sim. If my suspiciouns are correct, they will also fail, making this a combination of bad software with bugs with certain sim's.
That is the conclusion I am faced with right now... sadly enough, no idea how this can be remedied.
Are there developers whom might be able to write a reliable rsap implementation or will HTC ever come with a working version?
What do you guys think?
Sonyericsson will not provide SAP for the Xperia. Thats the point....
Been in contact with support
I have been in contact with Sony-Ericsson support and they tell me they cannot make the X1 compatible, because it is not just software.
Off course, to me this sound like total bull****, seeying I have allready had an raap connection with the X1. But this was either using HTC software add-on's or using a rom that was based on the htc touch HD.
Sadly enough, I cannot work without this functionality... and thus will be forced to sell my phone and buy... a nokia.... not bad, since I have had nokia's all my life. But I really really do not eNjoy beying forced to do so.
But everybody has known that the xperia has no SAP Profile... in every test, in every Datasheet you can see it! Why you buyed an xperia?
Wrong order
I orderd the x1 around the same time I orderd my new car (Skoda Superb II 2.0 TDI Ambition Business line ).
The car came with a carkit that can only do rSAP, but it is very very nicely intergrated with a external antenna, full adress book acces, etc. etc.
To my amazement, there was no rSAP on the phone, while all current high end models do carry support for it. Thus thought that a simple program or rom fix would provide it.... sadly enough, while some stuff works, it is very very flaky.
So it's a combination issue, off course I realize that. But I'd rather replace my phone and sell the x1, then having to change the carkit piece in my car (it is far more expensive). And still, I just cannot believe that such a basic function, is not in there.
Especially because it is made by HTC, which do carry this functionality!
So the problem was created by having both products in the same time frame. And my reluctance to believe such a high end phone would not carry this protocol.
From closer reading though. It seems that the x1 (with a custom rom) is not at fault here. If my speculations are right, any htc device with rsap from factory even has a big change that it is not going to function. Also reflected by my tests.
Using a HTC touch HD based rom on the X1, rsap is added and functions brilliantly using a KPN sim. Vodaphone works sometimes and crashes the carkit now and then and using a t-mobile sim, it does not work, at all. Since I have a t-mobile business account... it doesn't work at all for me.
I have not been able to get a hold of a Touch HD or Touch Pro to test if these problems also form on that phone, but will do so when I get the change.
So for now, even the HTC software seems to be bugged and thus I have formed my conclusion that my best option is to go back to nokia (which I have used for about 10 years now). The x1 is great, but not beying able to call in the car.... that just isn't going to work for me.
The new N97 looks pretty decent....
I have a jetta 06 tdi with mfd2(dvd version rev c) and skoda (kufatec) bluetooth modul installed by myself. I can do a Synchronisation of the Phonebook with Names and Numbers , dialed and missed calls , incomming calls with Names and i have a option to accept or decline a Call from the fis display , using my Multifunction Steering Wheel. Everything working perfect with my Xperia x1i.
Hmm
Most likely that module is a fiscon module or an older part of skoda. Am I correct?
The fiscon does not use rsap and older premium carkits from VW also did not. But their newest carkits included in the passat CC and skoda superb II are rsap only.
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Most likely that module is a fiscon module or an older part of skoda. Am I correct?
The fiscon does not use rsap and older premium carkits from VW also did not. But their newest carkits included in the passat CC and skoda superb II are rsap only.
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Im not sure we can post a direct link here to another website , but there is what im using in my Jetta : http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_....html/XTCsid/9f268df051bdc7806c7825cc426d606c
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Ah, yes. That is an orginal skoda part, but it is the older version from the Superb I and not the Superb II. That uses the other profiles and not rSAP.
touch HD behaves just the same
Hi everybody.
I had the chance to test both X1 (rSAP from cabs in post #3, thanks by the way) and HD (native rSAP implementation) on a VW touareg premium car kit and I must say they suffer from the same problems: most of the time the connection is established, but immediately drops and enters an endless loop of connection/disconnection, where everything can happen: car kit crashes, phone crashes, vodafone goes bankrupt, etc.
What hurts the most, though, is that very rarely and randomly, the connection with X1 is firmly established and everything, for unknown reasons, starts to work fine. This drives me crazy, for it would be a lot easier to cope if the feature wasn't available full stop.
Nonetheless, this makes me think a solution must exist somewhere, but I'm too much of a noob to find it...
Hope this helps, byebye.
Related
Hi
I wondered if anyone had successfully used the Sim Access Profile capabilkity of the of TyTn to connect with a Bluetooth car kit. I'm trying to get the connection going with a Merc. car kit, but I can't get them to pair.
Thx
Hi petes, I have an slk 55 amg with command and bluetooth. The bluetooth in the command system does not work for pairing with a phone. Even though it says it has bluetooth. To use bluetooth you need an extra module.
Hope this helps...
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r17...y-arrived-but.html?highlight=bluetooth+module
http://www.wireless4mb.com/phones.html
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r17...pic-seems-kit.html?highlight=bluetooth+module
Hi Dale
Thanks. I actually already have the module - the european version of the module is different to the US one in that it uses Sim Access Profile, rather than just acting as a headset. The TyTn says is supports SAP, but I just can't make it work - wondering if anyone's actually got SAP working.
pete S
Hi Petes,
I also have an Mercedes-Benz with the european bluetooth module. But I have a Qtek 9100 updated to AKU2 (Which is supposed to support SAP), but no luck at all. Actually the module can not even identify my phone and display it at the search screen of the comand screen. I tried also with a NOKIA 6230i (SAP Compatible phone) which actually I was able to see at the search list of the comand screen which means that the module is working with SAP compatible phones. What I will do next, is to try again with the new firmware I installed to my 9100 (T-Mobiles 2.21 Version) which has a SAP application for bluetooth (Something like SAP Server).
I can not do it yet because I am abroad and I will be back again 1st of September. I will let you know the results ASAP.
If you have any news from your site with TyTn please let me know because I was intending to change my 9100 to TyTn just for the SAP functionality.
Hi Barsam
The reason you can't find the 9100 when you search with the BT module is that it only looks for devices which identify themselves as Phones. The TyTn (and no doubt the 9100) identify themselves as Pocket PCs and so the (stupid!) Mercedes kit ignores them. The good news is that you can hack the registry to tell the Bluetooth stack that it's a phone. The bad news is that you can't pair with it. Getting it into the search screen doesn't mean it supports SAP - I could see my old T68 just when I was testing. Could you actually pair with the 6230i - i.e. when you see it in the list select Call?
When you're back, PM me and I'll send you the hack.
To tell you the truth I didn't try to pair the 6230i, but it's one of the phones that mercedes have tested on the bluetooth module. If I don't manage to do it with the 9100 I may get a 6230i. At least I can use the one that my brother has to test it and even copy my contacts to comand. Have you tried the hack with the TyTn? Can you tell me what is the the registry set to do that?
Where did you find out that the bluetooth module ignores enything elese than phones?
Make the following registry change
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\SYS]
"COD"=dword:52020C
On your own head etc.. Keep a copy of the current value of course. Then do a soft reset. You'll then see it as a phone. I've tried this, and can now see the phone, but can't pair. I've had a mail back from HTC that they're aware of some problem with the SAP and are working on it.
I wish a nice car kit would be released in the USA that supports SAP/850 & 1900/ external aerial...
hello,
i'm trying to get my TyTN working with my Meceder Command too... does anyone tried the English ROM-Update? Someone wrote that he can use it's TyTN with his Audi after updating the ROM. And tha Audi-MMI-System works also with SAP... perhpas after the ROM-Update it works with Mecedes Command System too...
I haven't tried it yet - I've been waiting for the TyTn update to come along, but nothing from HTC yet. If I don't get anything soon, I'll switch over to the iMate ROM and report back.
I have used a nokia 6233 6280 onmy E55 2005 with B/t Module
The mercedes module in conjuntion with the command system is problimatic, hoever I think I have another peice of the puzzle. With both the above phones they only worked using Vodaphone 3g cards Three 3g cards paired using SAP however could not get recieption....Mercedes say (there guessing) its the way the sim card is configured.....
Mercedes BT
I have a TYTN on order and Im desperate to find a solution to the issue before it arrives.....
As a follow on to my last post ...basically what I THINK found out was if the sim card was configured to work only on a 3G phone..(some networks do this so that they cannot be put in a 2.5g phone and constantly roam on).....then it would pair with the Bluetooth module in Mercedes however never get recieption.
I tried this on several phones including 6233 6280 N80 E61.....just to name a few....ALL PAIRED....however If I put a Vodaofone 3g Card in then IT worked .....IF i put a Three 3G card in it didnt.....BUMMER CAUSE I'm with THREE.....
I hope this helps in some way and Im more than happy to be corrected however these are my first hand expeirnces....I WANT TO USED THE TYTN in my MErc so Im keen to help in amy way....I have unlimited access to phones...so if anyone has any other suggestions Im happy to give it a go....
Mark
At the moment, you'll find that by default the merc kit won't even see the Tytn (it's a pocket pc, not a phone as far as Bluetooth is concerned). You can hack the registry to change this, but then the phone will be seen, but pairing will fail. Hopefully, the forthcoming firmware update will fix this - I've had mail back from HTC support to suggest they know there are problems with the SAP support.
Mercedes BT
Is there anyone who had paired Nokia phones with Mercedes BT(euro spec) successfully? I had tried for several Nokia phones (6230i/6270/6280) to pair with BT ,all failed. I can just find the 16-digit PIN on Comand, no phone appears on Comand. Phone & Comand can't find each other. Do I have to set other setting except the "bluetooth setting" for mobile phone? Even I try to "search for audio enhancements" and 'find no devices' at all .
Thanks Petes,
Did they give any idea on time frames?...Did you have any thoughts about my experience with the different sim cards....
Mark
I am considering buying the HTC TyTN and the Merc Bluetooth module so I am very keen to know if anyone can get this working.
Thanks,
Ady
Nope - no news on timescales I'm afraid - just waiting for the firmware update from HTC. I'm reluctant to try the iMate firmware at the moment - until there's an HTC to go back to in case something goes awry. Has anyone had a chance to try SAP with either of the newer firmwares (iMate or Dopod) - might give us a good clue if the HTC one's going to work.
I've connected my 6230i easily enough, just remember to allow "auto connect without confirmation" on the phone after entering the 16 digit code
I have tried my HW6915 pocket pc but like the other PPC's it is not recognised
A reply I got from HTC support on 21/09/2006 asking about the Merc SAP problem was:
At present the TyTN is only compatable with a limited number of kits. A ROM update will be released shortly to update this.
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So fingers crossed that it will be soon and solve the problem.
I asked them the same thing a while ago and just checked back in on availability. Just got ...
"At present the HTC ROM for the TyTN is being written and tested and we expect it to be released in the very near future."
So, patience is a virtue I hear....
We just bought an '08 Altima with the bluetooth option. I can pair the XV6800 with no problem, but quality sucks. It is super choppy on my end and the person on the other end can't hear me at all. I tried my wifes XV6800, same thing. I can pair my old E815 and it works perfectly, so it's not the car. I tried a hard reset, no difference.
I tried loading dcd's clean rom 1.6.7, no difference. Is the BT stack upgraded in this rom?
Is there a newer BT stack out there that I could try?
Its worth downloading and trying the Jetware BT Extensions and see if that helps....but usually it does not change quality so much as enable functionality.
http://www.jetwaremobile.com/
Brad
Thanks for the suggestion, but it didn't help.
Developer help with Infiniti/Nissan Bluetooth?
I've got the exact same issue with an '07 Infiniti G35 w/navigation. I've been doing lots of reading on the xv6800's bluetooth, have tried DCD's and Custel's roms, and was just about to start my own thread, but I'll bet our cars are the same bluetooth/rom wise.
Jetware didn't help me either.
Here's the best fix I've found and it works for me consistently.
-Whence the option's available depending on whether you're dialing out or receiving, click the "use handset" button (transfers call to the xv6800).
-Shortly after press the "phone" button (transfers call back through car).
-Should work as expected after that.
Anyway, at this point I'm hoping one of the kind devs on this forum (DCD or Custel to name just two of many) might find a sec to help us out, although I'm aware and appreciate the fact that many other users are keeping them very busy on their own projects.
I'm assuming the xv6800's hardware would be most similar to other HTC pda phones (not sure what happens between GSM and CDMA devices), so here's a list of their phones who's bluetooth does work with my car (from here). It supports the bluetooth in 144 phones total.
Kaiser (wasn't working with stock rom, but works after this patch from HTC)
Hermes
Atlas
Wizard
Apache
Magician
Harrier
HTC pda phones that don't work with my car (at least not 100%).
Vogue
Elf
Titan
The Titan DOES work with an '07-'08 Infiniti G35 WITHOUT navigation (buy more, get less ).
In addition to the stock Verizon rom I've tried DCD's 1.6.1, 1.6.7, and Custel's 1.1 with no change in the symptoms.
It's my understanding the dev community thinks modding the Vogue's bluetooth for the Titan shows the most promise. I found this thread mentioning an alternative, but it seems to have gone stale on another forum. I'd prefer not to use that forum.
I understand the Vogue's bluetooth might show the most promise for general bluetooth applications (which would satisfy the most users), but becuase I plan to use bluetooth solely through this car, does anyone know if I might be able to go an easier route given the information I've provided?
I'm using radio 1.40.00, could 1.47.01 make a difference?
Can anything be learned through HTC's Kaiser update patch?
Are there any bluetooth alternatives being tested that I haven't found?
Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
OK. I tried what you said and confirm the same results on the '08 Altima. If I switch to handset and back to Bluetooth, the sound is clear (weird). The only problem is, I can't switch until a call is in progress. This is a work around, but not a good one. We need a BT stack that fixes this. Or maybe firmware upgrade from the auto manufacturer.
I know this is going to sounds like a cheap shot, but it sounds to me like something needs to be fixed on Nissan's side. I've tried mine in an Accura without any problem, however both of your stereos are manufactured by Nissan.
A word of advice: I always found that auto makers should stick to what they do- namely, make cars. If Nissan were so great at BT stereos, you'd see nissan headsets.
I never bother with factory Bluetooth anymore- I swapped my stereo right away for a decent Sony Xplod system that supports A2DP (wireless stereo) as well as phone calls. The aftermarket stereo not only sounds great, but I play all my music from my phone without taking it out of my pocket. Last I checked, no stock car stereos supported this. Sony is good at stereo and bluetooth (been around the block a few times).
Complain to Nissan. Or swap your stereo for something decent.
My Sprint 6700 with BigJ Rom works great with the 08 Altima. In the fact the audio quality is better than the Sanyo Katana that I also have paired. I am dispointed that I cannt answer calls from both phones on the car headset without first selecting the phone that has an incoming call. Even my At&T home phone with bluetooth can do that although it does require you to select a cellphone for outgoing calls.
I was able to upload a contact entry from my 6700 to the car Download phonebook. However, I can not get that into the more usable phonebook directory. Anyone succeed in doing that?
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My Sprint 6700 with BigJ Rom works great with the 08 Altima.
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You might be in the wrong forum. The Titan is a 6800, not a 6700.
yes, but this thread is discussing the Altima BT stereo. Truthfully, this whole thread should go in a more general BT forum, since I don't think it pertains to the 6800 exactly.
08 altima bluetooth
Just wanted to say thanks to Park City for posting the name of the web site with the bluetooth extentions (jetwaremobile.com). I have just recently purchased an 08 Altima with the Nav system and bluetooth. I have an Tmobile MDA with a cooked ROM running WM6 and I could not get the entire outlook phone book to download to the car. Once I installed the jetware mobile extentions everything worked just fine. I even got some additional functionality I was not expecting like signal strengh and battery status on the nav srceen. As for voice quality, it's never been an issue for me. So far anyway
As I can see, they are currently testing the Mogul with both of your cars. I don't know what they mean by 'testing', but that's what is going on right now.
http://www.nissanusa.com/bluetooth/...gation+System&mfg=All+Manufacturers&x=51&y=16
http://www.infiniti.com/bluetooth/t...igation+System&mfg=All+Manufacturers&x=42&y=9
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As I can see, they are currently testing the Mogul with both of your cars.
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I saw that too, but I don't have a lot of confidence they'll be releasing a bluetooth update any time soon. That's why I was hoping the Titan's bluetooth hardware might be similar enough to the hardware in one of the devices that DO work with our cars (Kaiser, etc., list in my earlier post) that their bluetooth software could be ported "easily" to the Titan. I'm sure the devs here are trying to get the Titan's bluetooth to work as well as possible for everyone's devices, which makes sense. However, with California's new "handsfree driving" law starting July '08, I'm only concerned with getting the Titan to work with my car.
Apparently no one's too sure if that's possible.
1. have any of you verified first hand that the kaiser does in fact work?
2. could someone research and identify the bt hardware in the kaiser, and the titan?
3. has anyone run the kaiser bt fix on their titan and tried it?
i suppose i never thought to look at the kaiser's bt. mine still functions after applying that kaiser patch..
the kaiser patch is a replacement TIInit_4_2_38.bts file
this file did not exist in any titan roms prior to 2.16
2.16 introduced this file (i compared md5 and its not the same data)
2.17, htcs supposed 'fix', does NOT contain this file
all vogue roms i have seen DO contain this file, but again its different data
maybe you guys are on to something
i will throw something together tomorrow probably...drinking time.
dcd, thanks for the help, enjoy those drinks!
1. Not first hand, I'm going off this post. That thread's also why I believe the Kaiser wasn't working with the car before the patch.
2. I've spent a lot of time trying, but have come up empty on any detailed hardware specs.
3. I just ran the Kaiser patch and the bluetooth functions the same as it does without the patch.
I'm using a rom from your 1.6.7 kitchen with nothing else added (rom's working great, btw). I had the same issue with the stock Verizon rom.
Crazy thought, but if the cooked rom I'm using is based on a stock rom that didn't originally include the .bts file (2.17), could it be being ignored?
FZ1 said:
this post
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good enough for me
Crazy thought, but if the cooked rom I'm using is based on a stock rom that didn't originally include the .bts file (2.17), could it be being ignored?
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maybe...i dont know how the file functions and ties into the others yet
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The Titan DOES work with an '07-'08 Infiniti G35 WITHOUT navigation (buy more, get less ).
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i take it they are completely different head units?
I have a 07 G35 WITH Navi and yes, the quality is choppy when I connect my phone to it. I have been just using my Platronics Discover 640 for the BT these days... It'd be nice if someone can come up with a solution for this...
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i take it they are completely different head units?
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They're pretty different. With nav you get a 10 gig hd it'll rip cd's to, the nav runs off that hd, the gui which controls much of the car is different, voice prompts are different, the available buttons are different (see attached pics), and you lose a cd changer. I do know first hand that w/o nav the bt works great with an XV6800 (got a loaner once). Again, I've been unable to find out what's specifically different hardware wise (even with the full service manual).
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I have a 07 G35 WITH Navi and yes, the quality is choppy when I connect my phone to it.
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Is choppy quality your only problem? Are your symptoms different from ours in my earlier post?
FZ1 said:
They're pretty different. With nav you get a 10 gig hd it'll rip cd's to, the nav runs off that hd, the gui which controls much of the car is different, voice prompts are different, the available buttons are different (see attached pics), and you lose a cd changer. I do know first hand that w/o nav the bt works great with an XV6800 (got a loaner once). Again, I've been unable to find out what's specifically different hardware wise (even with the full service manual).
Is choppy quality your only problem? Are your symptoms different from ours in my earlier post?
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Once connected, I get a really static noise from my end while in the conversation. Of course, it'a really not usable at all....
I'm going to try the reconnecting method that was mentioned above today. I'll come back and report the outcome. And thanks for the help BTW.
EDIT: BTW, my Wizard (Cingy 8125), Hermes (Cingy 8525), Samsung i760, and few of the Moto handsets are all fine paired to my car. MAYBE, someone can get the BT stack from Hermes to work with the Titan?
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They're pretty different. With nav you get a 10 gig hd it'll rip cd's to
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whoa, someone hook me up with a G35 to uh, test
Wizard (Cingy 8125), Hermes (Cingy 8525), Samsung i760, and few of the Moto handsets are all fine paired to my car. MAYBE, someone can get the BT stack from Hermes to work with the Titan?
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well, peices of it maybe. i would blindly guess that the kaiser is closer to titan than hermes, but we need to exactly identify the bt chip in each. plus its still shady then, ie the kaiser has tnetw1251 for wlan same as the titan and I cannot get their newer wlan driver to work on my device.
what we really need to look at is previous bt stack modifications for other devices. i need a better understanding of tiinit_blah. I've also noticed that the devices that work have a more extensive, or a 2nd audiopara file that sets values for some bt devices. to be completely honest right now i dont know what im looking at and i need to figure out how it all fits together before i know where to start.
Well, I tried reconnect method from both phone and the car, but neither did anything at all. The quality is still crappy as heck. Man... I reallly wish this works.
EDIT: Actually my side of the speaker was complete static, and the other side could not hear what I was saying AT ALL. This efing blows.
Hi everybody,
is there any news using the Mercedes Bluetooth SAP cradle with the HTC Touch HD?
Comand will detect the Phone, but then won't trigger the authentication dialog on the phone but instead gives up immediately.
Thanks
Frank
The version using remote SIM access will not work, you have to replace it with the Hands Free Profile adaptor Mercedes Part No:B6787 5877, which works fine but doesn't use the antenna and amp built into the car, it uses the phone's own antenna so connection is not as reliable. Has been working OK for me though.
SAP compatibility
Yeh, I would of thought a high profile phone like the HD would support this.
I have had to settle for the far inferior HFP with poor connectivity and reception.
I don't think it is rocket science, but perhaps less of a priority for our wizards at XDA.
Would welcome any suggestions besides changing my phone or my car.
I'm using the MB Bluetooth cradle adaptor in an '07 ML. Pairs up and works great for answering and dialing out but there is no access to the HD phonebook or previously dialed numbers. Sad as the wifes iPhone is 100% compatible.
mmdirk
I have exactly the same problem,just added a new post on this!
I find that once you flash a rom you can have full functionality but when you add any extra programs you cannot view the address book or the recent calls.Very frustrating.
It would be awesome if someone stumbled upon a tweak that would correct the problem. I'll try some bluetooth setting changes in montecristoff's HD tweak and report back if I have any success.
I am using the VW Passats Sim Access Profile and this works perfectly. Make sure that the SAP is activated under the bluetooth settings on the phone..
I also cannot sync the adress book, but had the same problem with my old Touch. Guess this is a WinMob problem. A workaround is to use the SIM Manager and copy your contacts on your SIM card as well, they won't show up in the contact list anyhow. Then have the car sync with the SIM card and all is ok...
remko
Thanks,I've tried that,unfortunately it still does not work.Considering this state of the art equipment,its very sad that there is still no solution after many years(given that I am sure this is possible with a little effort by the people in the know how).Mercedes have screwed this up big-style..again
Actually, I'm not sure its MB's fault. Like I said the wifes iPhone is 100% compatible and so was her Motorola razr before that. To me this points the finger at WM.
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Actually, I'm not sure its MB's fault. Like I said the wifes iPhone is 100% compatible and so was her Motorola razr before that. To me this points the finger at WM.
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Actually it's Mercedez's fault. MB is known by the lack of support for BT connection on their cars...
My father has a CLS, and by default only supports a handful of mobile phones. He has a SE k800i and the CLS wont go with that phone. And there's a official list, from MB, with only a few phones that work with the builtin BT on the CLS.
On the other hand his phone works like a charm, like my HD, on my BMW S1. This also includes full support on BT SAP.
Shame to MB
Note: I don't know if these issues have changed lately, ie more support to more BT phones from MB on their cars. Maybe now MB has more support on this.
I've got a jvc headunit which is pairing nicely and auto connecting with my hd, one main issue though it it doesn't seem to be sending through the id3 tags, anyone managed to get these sent through from htc touchflo 3d?
i`m having the same problem! using the HTC Touch Pro with Mercedes Bluetooth HFP Cradle on E Class. Everything works perfect, except the thing, that i can`t see my contacts on the Command!
Any suggestions, please
N95 and SAP
I have a Nokia N95 8gb and I'm thinking of buying the Mercedes bluetooth SAP-profile for my CLK. I was a bit surprised though when I read on www.viseeo.se (in Sweden) that the SAP-profile does not import the contacts from the phone memory, only the SIM-memory.
Anybody using N95 with the MB SAP that can confirm this?
I prefer original MB products of course.
Thanks!
I can confirm that the N95 8GB works with the SAP module but you do have to copy your contacts onto the SIM.
Rapidly starting to regret getting a new Sony X1...
Are there any news about this problem?
I cannot connect the htc touch hd with the BT craddle from my mercedes glk (partnbr: A2048200535).
I had no problems with accessing the phonebook (POL and SIM) with the HFP Module on my 2005 C-Class (Comand) and my Orbit. The 2009 C-Class uses a different system so I cant say anything about the HD. BUT, I had good success (in the former car) with this little software when it came to the sync of bigger contact lists: JetWare Mobile http://www.jetwaremobile.com/
Lets you choose what contacts you want to sync. Perhaps it helps you with your problem, too.
Tobbi
I picked up my Audi A4 last week, and the MMI + telephone connection high works to a limited degree with the Touch HD.
It correctly identifies the Orange network, 3G, varying signal strengths, and can dial out and receive calls, but I don't have access to other functions such as the phone's last dialled calls, missed calls, phonebook/contacts list (biggest problem!), etc.
I'm using the original 1.14.405.3 (22273) WWE rom which came with the HD, but has anyone had any success with the MMI by using other roms?
Guess this does not help, but I had the same problem with a brand new mercedes C200 and Dutty's 2.8 firmware...
Cheers
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maybe this thread helps a little: http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-456900.html
some say it worked after upgrading to 1.19...
personally I think bluetooth has always been ****ty
Pretty interesting that a version of Duttys made it stop working, at least it shows bluetooth compatibility is affected by different roms. Thanks for the link, it seems the JetWare program might work too, but updating the rom is a last resort for me since I've never done it before. I'll try JetWare first, and if it stops working after a few days, I'll go for the rom update. Thanks again!
You'r welcome! I am on Duttys 3.0 right now but never had a car again with bluetooth so couldn't test
If you never flushed your HD - try! You will be massively excited I swear
Compared to the original firmware the phone was unusable slow and had a ugly user interface... I can really suggest Duttys 3.0! Once you are through the process of flashing it's quiet easy...
Cheers
Heh, maybe I'll go for the regular handset option for my next car, seems like it'd be less of a headache. Anyway I upgraded my HD to 1.19 and there was no change in displaying phonebook contacts, so I decided to flash Dutty's v3.3 and it still doesn't work properly...but I'm liking Dutty's a lot, definitely glad I upgraded to it. Thanks for suggesting it!
I'm back to square one again though, so if anyone else has some advice/experience with getting it to work, I'm all ears
Anyone at all?
Is the Audi new or used? If it is used you might have an older version of the MMI software. Good luck getting Audi to do the upgrade for you. Check out the forums at Audiworld.com.
I have an A6 and have the same problems.
Have you tried Jetware? I used that for awhile but I found I would rather use a headset now.
I use a Touch Pro with my 09 A4 and I have the same problem. Everything works great except when it comes to syncing the phone book. After pairing the phone with the car, a message pops up asking if I'd allow the car to access my contact. I'd answer yes, but then nothing happens.
For some unknown reason, I was able to upload the phonebook once. I don't know what I did differently that time but the phonebook mysteriously showed up in the car memory. However, the next time I started the car the phonebook was gone.
Hi everyone. My HD works fine on my 2006 Audi A8L. After initial pairing with the MMI (default pairing code is "1234") you have to wait a little while and the phone book and recent calls pop up. In the Phone > Setup of the MMI I selected only to use phone memory.
One issue I have is that the 150 contacts I have are somehow displayed in 2 iterations of the alphabet, each showing only a half the contact list.
Also good to know. Pairing with Audi's MMI is only possible the first 5 minutes after you turned the power to the car on, ie. turning the key one notch, or starting the engine, so be sure to have your Touch HDs bluetooth on already.
Audi's Bluetooth phone features are on a phone by phone basis, Audi have a list of all the handsets that they have tested and the features that are available using that phone and the firmware for the phone that it needs to produce those results.
I work for Audi so if there's any questions I'll do my best to answer. (I work in parts)
I have a problem where my HD2 does not work properly with my Land Rover Freelander 2 in-built bluetooth car kit.
The HD2 pairs with the car and I can search my phone book, see my last dialled number, I can even dial a number, BUT, the phone does not connect properly - the car radio should cut out and phone audio come through the car speakers, but instead the radio just continues to play. And shortly after the call is connected to the other party the line is terminated.
My Nokia phone works perfectly with my car, but this phone does not. Even my Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 did not for properly with the Freelander 2.
I did manage to make one successful call, but after I stopped and restarted the car, the problem returned!! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
So, does any one know of a fix? Surely hands free/car kit is a standard?
Help!
same problem here. i have a bluetooth car stereo. Always worked fine with my previous HTC's. But now with the HD2 i get the exact same problems as you... I think it's software bug. i have rom version 1.43.404.1 NLD
i hope this gets sorted out cause i use bluetooth audio streaming a lot in the car....same for handsfree calling
Paired it with my Pioneer FH-P80BT on my way to sell my 3GS and recieved a call. Got the same issue as described above - just a bug i presume.
I'm experiancing similar problems. All works fine (incoming call's or outgoing call's) but they get disconnected randomly it seems. I'm using a JVX NX7000 by the way. No problem with my iPhone. Hope they fix it soon!
I tested it with my BMW Idrive last night which is notoriously difficult and it worked fine, I was really surprised tbh! But was able to recieve and make calls, the stereo cut out and could see the phone book too. With my N82 i was only ever able to make/receive calls.
Same problem - Jaguar XF - it docks ok but I have to initiate calls from car (vs phone). Just some weirdness going on...
glenner05 said:
same problem here. i have a bluetooth car stereo. Always worked fine with my previous HTC's. But now with the HD2 i get the exact same problems as you... I think it's software bug. i have rom version 1.43.404.1 NLD
i hope this gets sorted out cause i use bluetooth audio streaming a lot in the car....same for handsfree calling
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Mercedes brutality
I have a new Mercedes C, and when the HD2 is connected over bluetooth I get an extremely loud, strange ringtone when receiving a call. It is so loud it could really make your shoes go off.
Also it is none of the ringtones available to choose from, inside the phone - it sounds more like a BIOS beep from a PC and hits me while the normal ringtone is playing as well.
It definitely comes from the phone, not from the car stereo. I have not figured out how to resolve this, I think it is outright dangerous for unprepared drivers.
I have a Nissan Pathfinder; it paired ok, and dials from the Pathy without probs. Ringtone is ok too. Sound quality seems better than my old Tytn so all in all v happy.
Doesn't stream music, but that's Nissan's fault, not HTC.
Works fine with the Ford BT system in the Ford Focus (2009).
HTC HD2 Pairing with a Freelander 2 - SUCESS!!!
Success!!!
So far so good, I applied a known change to the HD2 registry and I am now making and answering calls without fuss!
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone.
Hope this helps everyone.
graemenwallace said:
Success!!!
So far so good, I applied a known change to the HD2 registry and I am now making and answering calls without fuss!
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone.
Hope this helps everyone.
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Hello i have same problem with my BMW X5. Can you explain better your steps ?
graemenwallace said:
Success!!!
So far so good, I applied a known change to the HD2 registry and I am now making and answering calls without fuss!
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone.
Hope this helps everyone.
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Interesting, I have a similar problem with my 2009 BMW 3 I explain here (sorry I posted before discovering this thread) and I'll try your registry tweak.
But you say that it is "a known change" to the HD2, could you tell us where you saw it ? Is there another discussion about the BT stack somewhere or more generaly about the Widcomm implementation in the HD2 ?
The HD2 being so recent and in short supply, I'm a bit surprised something like that is "well known"
Thanks for your help.
It works !
graemenwallace, I just tried after applying your tweak and... OMG, this is AWSOME man, it just WORKS !
I still just have one gripe though, it seems that the car doesn't always receive the RF level correctly at the first connection. Sometimes it sees the phone as having no carrier at all (no bars in the RX level display), preventing the car to make any calls, but as soon as I receive a call, the level resets to full bars and I can pick the call and make calls myself after that.
When the first call comes in, I can see the display with no bars and a "?" appearing on top of it for a short time before it becomes full bars.
So there is still some compatibility problems, but at least now I can pick-up incoming calls without risking my life.
So I suppose you are a potential life saver then
Thanks mate,
Yves.
Bluetooth is working YES with JVC KD-AVX44 ADV49
After the registry tweak from graemenwallace the bluetooth connection is working properly with my car radio (JVC KD-AVX44/KD-ADV49).
The phone functions ok now (incoming & outgoing calls) Also the AD2P connection is super (very good sound)
Also the ID3 tags are functioning (didn't function with the X1 Xperia)
I see the track title now into the JVC display
Skipping etc. all is functioning. I will tell HTC about it because I have a ticket running for this issue. I think they have to solve this issue
Big thanks for this trick
By doing a little search on the net, it seems like graemenwallace suggested that this problem is not new with smartphones that identify themselves as such.
The tweak above forces the BT stack of the phone to identify itself as a standard phone instead of a smartphone.
What's puzzling is that my BMW handsfree worked with other smartphones so far, including the iphone.
Anyway, it's ok now, but I wonder what bad press this will cause to HTC.
The majority of the users are unaware of this kind of wizardry and this justs adds up to the long list of bugs of the HD2.
When I first got the phone a few days ago I was rapidly convinced to return it immediatly as it's fancy interface wasn't enough to overcome all the shortcomings. It was plain unusable as a business phone.
Now after applying most of the tweaks, it begins to show potential, but HTC really has to work on the problems we can't fix by tweaking the registry.
I tried this also, but for me it didn't work.
But my situation is a bit different, as I am not able to connect the HD2 through the Sim Access Profile with my car, which is an Audi A6 mit Bluetooth preparation and I have also the Audi rSAP Adaptor installed in the centre arm rest.
My problem is, that I get a connection to the car, but SAP does not activate and I can't get access to my phonebook - so I only have kind of a handsfree profile...
Am I right that you all use the handsfree profile in your cars and no SAP?
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Works fine with the Ford BT system in the Ford Focus (2009).
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Does your Ford system have the Bluetooth audio choice?
I get my Ford Focus changed every six months coz i'm a driving instructor and it comes as part of the deal.
On my last Ford Focus my htc tytn 2 connected ok and I could make and receive calls ok.
However, when the new car was delivered the Ford system had bluetooth audio choice and ipod integration which the other one didn't.
Now my htc tytn 2 didn't connect very well at all.
Now with my HD2 it does connect only if I have the bluetooth audio profile selected.
But now the music player keeps appearing and wants to play music all the time. If I pause the music on the phone it just starts replaying.
Anyway I will try the registry tweak in this thread and hopefully that will solve the problem.
Paul.
Jolig said:
I tried this also, but for me it didn't work.
But my situation is a bit different, as I am not able to connect the HD2 through the Sim Access Profile with my car, which is an Audi A6 mit Bluetooth preparation and I have also the Audi rSAP Adaptor installed in the centre arm rest.
My problem is, that I get a connection to the car, but SAP does not activate and I can't get access to my phonebook - so I only have kind of a handsfree profile...
Am I right that you all use the handsfree profile in your cars and no SAP?
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I have the same problem. I`ll try to pair my HD2 with MB C-klass using SAP but i can`t get them connected it seems like a SAP adaptor can`t activate a PIN input window on HD2 (i guess). With other phones it works perfect (tryed with Nokia 5800, 6500).
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I have a new Mercedes C, and when the HD2 is connected over bluetooth I get an extremely loud, strange ringtone when receiving a call. It is so loud it could really make your shoes go off.
Also it is none of the ringtones available to choose from, inside the phone - it sounds more like a BIOS beep from a PC and hits me while the normal ringtone is playing as well.
It definitely comes from the phone, not from the car stereo. I have not figured out how to resolve this, I think it is outright dangerous for unprepared drivers.
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could you pls describe, how did get them paired? when i try to pair them, i see the device`s id, try to "call" it, see pin code and after that i hear the descending tone. and it nothing occurs. SAP is enabled, device is discoverable, what else? Any idea?
Jolig said:
I tried this also, but for me it didn't work.
But my situation is a bit different, as I am not able to connect the HD2 through the Sim Access Profile with my car, which is an Audi A6 mit Bluetooth preparation and I have also the Audi rSAP Adaptor installed in the centre arm rest.
My problem is, that I get a connection to the car, but SAP does not activate and I can't get access to my phonebook - so I only have kind of a handsfree profile...
Am I right that you all use the handsfree profile in your cars and no SAP?
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I feel your pain, my wife has a GolfPlus and the rSAP instalation is crap.
It's overly expensive and useless if you don't have one of the few phones compatible with it.
Unfortunately, many customers are falling in this trap, thinking it is a standard handsfree, but it is not, it is a full GSM build-in which only access your phone SIM card to log into the network and download your contacts.
In the case of my wife, the dealer was honest and clearly stated that it was a mistake to order this option.
The only problem is that he had no other alternative than proposing an Parrot retrofit which wasn't really an option for me as it wasn't integrated in the car and certainly not in the navigation system.
But internet is your friend and the solution is quite simple, the Kufatec kit.
This is brilliant, it is a small box that connects to the CAN bus of many german cars and integrates perfectly into existing navigators, it uses the steering wheels command buttons and so on.
It is much better (more functions) than original BT options, is tailored to each brand so that the displays are in the same style as the original ones etc.
More interesting, it is field upgradable (just a laptop with BT) so that it is potentialy compatible with anything existing or not yet.
And it only costs a fraction of this crappy rSAP option.
In your case, the good news is that it can simply replace your actual rSAP kit for a minimal installation fee. (the CAN bus has to be reprogramed however, so professional instalation needed)
There is another solution: to replace the unit you have (it is situated under the driver's seat) by a skoda unit. This unit has the same connector but is simple handsfree instead of rSAP.
Hope this helps.