The alarm that comes as standard with the HD2 doesn't appear to work period
So i downloaded Klaxon but for the life of me i cant figure out how the alarm will go off when the phone is switched off, it works fine when the phone is on but i always switch my phone off @ night so want to be just woken up, my other phone a Samsung from a few years ago, the alarm on that works fine, im having some difficulty believing that a super smart phone like the HD2 doesn't actually have an alarm that actually works.
PS- I know there's some other alarm around on XDA that is supposedly excellent but costs money but not a chance am i paying money for an alarm for mobile phone it's gotta be free,anyone any info?
jonny68 said:
The alarm that comes as standard with the HD2 doesn't appear to work period
So i downloaded Klaxon but for the life of me i cant figure out how the alarm will go off when the phone is switched off, it works fine when the phone is on but i always switch my phone off @ night so want to be just woken up, my other phone a Samsung from a few years ago, the alarm on that works fine, im having some difficulty believing that a super smart phone like the HD2 doesn't actually have an alarm that actually works.
PS- I know there's some other alarm around on XDA that is supposedly excellent but costs money but not a chance am i paying money for an alarm for mobile phone it's gotta be free,anyone any info?
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There isn't an alarm program I know of that is able to switch the device on from an off state, including the standard one (I'm guessing thats why you think it doesn't work?)
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There isn't an alarm program I know of that is able to switch the device on from an off state, including the standard one (I'm guessing thats why you think it doesn't work?)
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Negative - when i set the alarm on my Samsung Tocco for 7.15am Mon > Fri and turn my phone off @ nite the alarm always goes off without fail, in fact almost every phone ive had has done the same (are you sure your not getting confused with something else here?) so im amazed the HD2 wont work
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Negative - when i set the alarm on my Samsung Tocco for 7.15am Mon > Fri and turn my phone off @ nite the alarm always goes off without fail, in fact almost every phone ive had has done the same (are you sure your not getting confused with something else here?) so im amazed the HD2 wont work
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The Samsung Tocco isn't a Windows Mobile?
As I said, I don't know of a program which does this.
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The Samsung Tocco isn't a Windows Mobile?
As I said, I don't know of a program which does this.
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I'm fully aware of that mate ive got a HD2 and a Samsung Tocco, my question WAS why cant a phone like the HD2 which is supposely the best phone on the market do something as simple as have an alarm that actually works (whether or not the phone is switched on or not)it's truly bizzare.
I cant think of a single mobile phone ive had since probably the early `noughties` where an alarm didn't work, surely to f**k a phone like the HD2 has to have an alarm that works?
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I'm fully aware of that mate ive got a HD2 and a Samsung Tocco, my question WAS why cant a phone like the HD2 which is supposely the best phone on the market do something as simple as have an alarm that actually works (whether or not the phone is switched on or not)it's truly bizzare.
I cant think of a single mobile phone ive had since probably the early `noughties` where an alarm didn't work, surely to f**k a phone like the HD2 has to have an alarm that works?
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I was just confirming that I wasn't getting confused. There isn't even a program I can find since pocket pc 2003 that can actually switch the device on from cold.
The alarm works on mine. In what way does yours not work? Does it appear on screen and not make a noise?
I just always put the phone in flight mode at night. Use's hardly any power(3 or 4% for 7 hours) and the alarm always goe's off then. ( I use G alarm by the way, the 1 you have to pay for) Boot time is not great on the hd2 so would rather leave it on anyway saves time in the morning. As already mentioned i am also not aware of any alarm that will boot up the phone from powered off. Nobody can ring you or anything while your in flight mode or data connect, so it's like switching the phone off anyway. Hope thats of some help for you
to answer the OP's original question, i.e. why can't the HD2 sound an alarm when the device is COMPLETELY OFF?
(i believe the following applies to "great" phones like the iphone and android as well...)
the reason is simple...these devices are NOT phones that generally have specialized phone operating systems and BIOS. these devices are "pocket PCs" which have operating systems designed to be more general purpose while the BIOS is simply used to load the operating system. what that means is that they are more like tiny computers that happen to have phone functionality. think about this question...does your PC sound an alarm if your PC is OFF? (actually it CAN, but ONLY if you configure your PC's BIOS to start the computer at a specific time, and even then it will only start up and load windows but you won't hear an alarm unless you have an alarm application installed in windows...and even then, the time for alarm you configure in your application will NOT sync with the time you've configured in your BIOS)
still, the question is, why can some "dumb" phones still accomplish this? the reason is that these dumb phones have a RTC (real time clock) that is hardwired to the BIOS. this RTC has access to a small dedicated memory chip even when the phone is OFF. this memory contains your configured alarm times, so the RTC can access this memory as long as the battery is connected and has enough power, even when the rest of the device is OFF. finally, the RTC can access the BIOS when an alarm needs to be sounded, and it can essentially tell the BIOS to either boot up the entire phone or (in some devices) to ONLY sound the alarm because the alarm software/routines are part of the BIOS.
on the other hand, on pocket PC devices (and the like), the alarm functionality is accomplished purely by software that runs ON TOP of the operating system...so the operating system must be fully running (i.e. the device should be booted and up and running) before the software can accomplish its goal to wake you up in the morning.
i hope the above makes sense...and it should answer why advanced devices like the HD2 that are built to be more like PCs cannot accomplish the desired task.
best option is to use flight mode or set your ringer to silent/vibrate if you don't want to be disturbed by calls and/or messages while you sleep but still want the alarm to sound when its time to wake up.
ASCIIker said:
to answer the OP's original question, i.e. why can't the HD2 sound an alarm when the device is COMPLETELY OFF?
(i believe the following applies to "great" phones like the iphone and android as well...)
the reason is simple...these devices are NOT phones that generally have specialized phone operating systems and BIOS. these devices are "pocket PCs" which have operating systems designed to be more general purpose while the BIOS is simply used to load the operating system. what that means is that they are more like tiny computers that happen to have phone functionality. think about this question...does your PC sound an alarm if your PC is OFF? (actually it CAN, but ONLY if you configure your PC's BIOS to start the computer at a specific time, and even then it will only start up and load windows but you won't hear an alarm unless you have an alarm application installed in windows...and even then, the time for alarm you configure in your application will NOT sync with the time you've configured in your BIOS)
still, the question is, why can some "dumb" phones still accomplish this? the reason is that these dumb phones have a RTC (real time clock) that is hardwired to the BIOS. this RTC has access to a small dedicated memory chip even when the phone is OFF. this memory contains your configured alarm times, so the RTC can access this memory as long as the battery is connected and has enough power, even when the rest of the device is OFF. finally, the RTC can access the BIOS when an alarm needs to be sounded, and it can essentially tell the BIOS to either boot up the entire phone or (in some devices) to ONLY sound the alarm because the alarm software/routines are part of the BIOS.
on the other hand, on pocket PC devices (and the like), the alarm functionality is accomplished purely by software that runs ON TOP of the operating system...so the operating system must be fully running (i.e. the device should be booted and up and running) before the software can accomplish its goal to wake you up in the morning.
i hope the above makes sense...and it should answer why advanced devices like the HD2 that are built to be more like PCs cannot accomplish the desired task.
best option is to use flight mode or set your ringer to silent/vibrate if you don't want to be disturbed by calls and/or messages while you sleep but still want the alarm to sound when its time to wake up.
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thanks for your in-depth answer!
ASCIIker said:
to answer the OP's original question, i.e. why can't the HD2 sound an alarm when the device is COMPLETELY OFF?
(i believe the following applies to "great" phones like the iphone and android as well...)
the reason is simple...these devices are NOT phones that generally have specialized phone operating systems and BIOS. these devices are "pocket PCs" which have operating systems designed to be more general purpose while the BIOS is simply used to load the operating system. what that means is that they are more like tiny computers that happen to have phone functionality. think about this question...does your PC sound an alarm if your PC is OFF? (actually it CAN, but ONLY if you configure your PC's BIOS to start the computer at a specific time, and even then it will only start up and load windows but you won't hear an alarm unless you have an alarm application installed in windows...and even then, the time for alarm you configure in your application will NOT sync with the time you've configured in your BIOS)
still, the question is, why can some "dumb" phones still accomplish this? the reason is that these dumb phones have a RTC (real time clock) that is hardwired to the BIOS. this RTC has access to a small dedicated memory chip even when the phone is OFF. this memory contains your configured alarm times, so the RTC can access this memory as long as the battery is connected and has enough power, even when the rest of the device is OFF. finally, the RTC can access the BIOS when an alarm needs to be sounded, and it can essentially tell the BIOS to either boot up the entire phone or (in some devices) to ONLY sound the alarm because the alarm software/routines are part of the BIOS.
on the other hand, on pocket PC devices (and the like), the alarm functionality is accomplished purely by software that runs ON TOP of the operating system...so the operating system must be fully running (i.e. the device should be booted and up and running) before the software can accomplish its goal to wake you up in the morning.
i hope the above makes sense...and it should answer why advanced devices like the HD2 that are built to be more like PCs cannot accomplish the desired task.
best option is to use flight mode or set your ringer to silent/vibrate if you don't want to be disturbed by calls and/or messages while you sleep but still want the alarm to sound when its time to wake up.
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Thanks for your response you've explained it well, i may set it to flight mode and silent
Hi guys, I realised this "feature" the HD2 has also.. I'm not really disappointed, but just a little perplexed as I "thought" my HD2 would have woken me up just the other day when I turned it off with an alarm fixed (thinking that it would wake up at that stipulated timing). The thing is, I have an Omnia, and my dad has an Omnia 2, and I'm pretty sure they both WILL boot up and sound the alarm if the phone is turned off with an alarm set. I have checked through the Omnia 2, and under the "Alarm" tab, there is an option to choose whether the phone will/will not boot up if it's turned off...
Anyway, not trying to prove anything here but just to let you guys know that it's possible with a phone running on windows... Good day! =)
some of the older smart phones are able to wake the phone to sound alarms because they arent truly off. remember how phones used to essentially hard reset if the battery and the backup battery died? (xda IIi for example) because their flash memory was volatile, well this meant that even when off they were still slightly on, whereas the hd2 and the like go completely off. turn your phone off and in a week turn it back on, battery still charged. on the xda 2i even when its off it would drain the battery in 5 or 6 days, and perform a fresh install when you did power back on.
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I have started this thread so that we can begin development of a program or a solution which will make the alarm system on our Wizards totally reliable.
As we know, a number of us have a problem whereby our devices fail to wake up when an alarm is due to go off, causing us to sleep in, and be late for work. This is an unacceptable situation. It is my intent to develop a program which will replace or augment the alarm system in WM5 so that we never again have to worry that our PPCs won't wake us up in the morning.
So far, we know there are a number of problems which might be contributing to the failed alarms:
1. Duplicate alarm/calendar notifications being entered into the notification database (same alarm shows repeatedly in the database)
- This can be resolved with CheckNotifications (http://www.scarybearsoftware.com/ppc_cn_overview.html) which will remove duplicate entries. It does not prevent the duplicates from being entered in the first place.
2. Alarm settings not saved to registry. It seems there may be a problem whereby registry changes are not being copied from RAM to Flash immediately, so if you Standby the device shortly after setting/changing the alarm, the alarm is not saved.
- This can be resolved by leaving the PPC for a minute or so before putting it in Standby after changing an alarm.
3. The big one. An alarm notification not turning the device on from standby. Why this affects some people and not others, we don't know. Some users report than when an alarm is due to go off, the device doesn't wake up. When the device is turned on manually, the alarm then sounds. This seems to happen randomly (with some alarms working OK, and others not) but doesn't affect everyone.
As yet, there is no known solution to this problem. This thread is intended to develop that solution.
My idea so far is to develop an application to replace the standard alarm on WM5. Our main objective is to create an event which will, reliably, and without fail, wake the device from standby. Once we have developed this program, a new alarm system can be tacked on to it, or the source code can be made available for developers of current alarm systems to integrate into their programs.
My PPC programming knowledge is limited, so the intention is for this project to be a joint effort, and I would urge anyone who has any useful input to contribute it on this thread.
I have noticed a few people mention that a program called Pocket WakeUp is a reliable alarm system, and doesn't suffer from the known bugs in the WM5 one.
http://www.pocketpcfreewares.com/en/index.php?soft=1299 (French version - see below for translated English version)
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to have been an update of the program for quite a while, and also, the program is in French, so there aren't many people using it to see exactly how reliable it is.
I have done a quick-n-dirty translation of the program into English (I hope the author doesn't mind - no other changes were made), and attached it to this post. The interface isn't great, and it can be quite convoluted to use, but perhaps with an English version, more people can give it a try and see if it actually is reliable.
From what I can gather, Pocket WakeUp adds a notification when an alarm is due, which loads with WakeUpStart.exe program, which then loads the main program and sounds the alarm.
If this program is actually reliable, then I expect the author has found a way to make the device wake up from standby without fail, and the WakeUpStart.exe is the important part.
Please let me know if you use Pocket WakeUp and it works reliably, or randomly fails. Also, if the author of this program reads this board (or someone knows how to get in contact with him in English) I'd be interested to hear your views.
Good effort, I'll try the cab and report back over the next week.
Excellent endeavor! I have been using PPC devices for sevearl years and this has always been my biggest problem. Its hard to believe that MS has issued 3 new versions of their WM platform, all with this issue. This should be one on the first things you need to get right in these devices.
On the WM2002 and WM2003 platform I have good success with both PhoneAlam with AlarmToday for Pocketmax and also SuperAlert. But since moving on to the KJAM, the current versions of these programs just don't work.
I am not a developer, but will certainly help with testing etc. I'll try the FR prog now and will also post results.
Regards
Chris
The alarm not waking up on standby bug was fixed in the leaked 9100 test rom.. so whats the point in fixing a problem thats already been fixed
MilanoRex said:
The alarm not waking up on standby bug was fixed in the leaked 9100 test rom.. so whats the point in fixing a problem thats already been fixed
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Says who? I'm using the latest i-mate ROM and the problem still persists.
I've been using Pocket WakeUp to check - *zap* - and so far it seems to work fine. Problem is, that's what I thought of the standard alarms until they failed a couple of times on me. Unfortunately, it also seems that my battery is draining faster now - but I would have to confirm that absolutely with a full copy of pocketbatteryanalyzer. I'm using my old phone in the mean time to make sure I do wake up.
For me, just not switching the device to standby is still the best bet. This also negates any issues related to point 2. Point 1 remains, and is actually a cause for old alarms going off when they shouldn't - and the cleanup thing is something I still do.
One thing that I think I should point out, though, is that the problem isn't just with a wake-up alarm. Pocket WakeUp may very well be a perfectly fine solution to that (no way to be 100% certain, I guess). The problem is that on at least one occasion, the device failed to wake up for a meeting event. Thankfully I was keeping an eye on the clock and I was leaving only 5 minutes late - and with a little speeding got there in time just fine. Point is, a wake-up alarm won't fix -those- :\
ZeBoxx, as far as I can see, Pocket WakeUp does use the notification system. Set an alarm with it, and check the notification queue. Delete the item from the notification queue and the alarm never sounds.
If we can work out how Pocket WakeUp reliably brings the device out of standby, then there's the possibility of writing a program to tack a wake up event in front of every calendar entry.
gah.. WakeUpStart? totally missed that.. I'll stfu now
ZeBoxx said:
gah.. WakeUpStart? totally missed that.. I'll stfu now
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Yep! Thing is, if WakeUpStart can wake up the device without fail, then it will be simple enough to tack a similar wake up event a few secs before each alarm or appointment. Just need more people to test Pocket WakeUp to see if it's reliable - and hopefully we can get a hold of the author so he can tell us how he did it!
I upgrade to the new KJAM rom and now my alarm works.
texasez said:
I upgrade to the new KJAM rom and now my alarm works.
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Yep, the whole problem with this bug is that it affects people randomly. Some people have the bug, some don't. Some people just get it one day for no apparent reason. There is no one solution to everyone's problems. Upgrading worked for you - good for you - doesn't mean it will work for everyone, and there's always the possibility that you never had the bug, and then you upgrade to the latest ROM and you start getting the bug!
thanks alot elyl !!
the translation of this program is the best news in months! I have been using this prog for 3 months without any problems. It seems very reliable to me. I dont understand French thoug, so it has been a little bit hard to use.
Before I started using the program, I had alot of problems with the alarm...
I tried Pocket wake up yesterday with mixed results. My KJaM seemed to be waking up for each event, but I was expecting it to continue to repeat the alarm beyond the few repeats that you get with the built in reminder. That did not happen though... I have set Pocket alarm wake up call take is set go in a few minutes, so will see if that works (guess that I am already awake though, so it won't be a big deal if it doesn't go off )
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I tried Pocket wake up yesterday with mixed results. My KJaM seemed to be waking up for each event, but I was expecting it to continue to repeat the alarm beyond the few repeats that you get with the built in reminder. That did not happen though... I have set Pocket alarm wake up call take is set go in a few minutes, so will see if that works (guess that I am already awake though, so it won't be a big deal if it doesn't go off )
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Did you try setting a snooze time for about 5 mins? It will repeat then if you don't cancel it. Also, if you are using a short audio file for the alarm, make sure you increase the Minimum time of alarm to be X number of seconds - then it will repeat your alarm sound for however many seconds.
Hi Elyl
Yes, stumbled into that in the end. My French is very poor, so I had to guess at the options. Still, that seemed to work. I did notice that if you change the settings and then let the device go into standby, the alarm did not repeat...:-( I had to reset a new time, then it worked. I will now set a reoccuring alarm and not touch the settings and see how that goes... Will post back at end of day today..
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chris
to be thorough...
In an effort to be thorough, I'll add my experience so that maybe a developer can read a solution. I use my kjam as a daily alarm. It has almost always worked when I leave the device plugged in and though the backlight is off but the actual system never goes into standby (everyday except one in six months). I have also experimented with using the alarm from a battery power source, but again, making sure that the device never goes into standby (this is a real battery drain).
I have used SPB time, Ptravel Alarm, and the built in alarm. SPB time is completely unreliable and has never worked (not even when set immediately after a more reliable alarm). Ptravel alarm has worked over the past week when I have tried it in both power/active and non-powerd/active, but I haven't tried it when the system was in standby. The Ptravel Alarm developer (Burroak Software) is a very very active developer and seems to really care about making his products work. The only flaw I have is the interface (i.e. stop button) is somewhat small to press first thing in the morning.
The built-in alarm is the one I have used most and seems to work well from a power source. Again, it does not work from standby reliably.
I know this is re-hashing the obvious for all of you, but thought it might give some more background. There simply must be something that is develop-able, which wakes up the device from standby (a turned off state) in time for the system to register and activate an alarm program or a few seconds before.
Could there be a way to extrapolate the program which activates the device or part of it to remotely activesync on a time schedule?
I will use the WakeUp program and report back.
wakealarm
just to stress the point, i will also use wakealarm and report at the first failures. If 100 users would do the same, we can improve our evaluation time by 100X. If even to a single user it will not work, i cannot fully trust the program for professional reasons or travelling.
Today, I have the test rom, SPB pocketplus, and yes ONCE the standard wm5 alarm didn't work on this configuration (over about 20 alarms and 200 calendar reminders that worked successfully). i use once in a while checknotifications and sktools to keep the notify queue clean - should i do it or not? sometimes, i am afraid that the alarm i loose are those that these two programs remove by believing they are unnecessary duplications....
i noticed that - in the infamous occasion of a missed alarm in the morning - i forgot the wifi connection on while the system was recharging beside my bed, and in the morning i had a pop-up message it complaining about the absence of network (instead of waking me up...).
Did i understand it correctly that - at midnight - the wizard does some internal procedures and wakes up? do i guess that - after waking up - it had to deal with the wifi network search instead of some alarm critical procedure? if it would be so, i would be happy - for example - to do the alarm critical procedures every few hours, so to be sure not to miss any.
Few hours later, finally at work, i saw the wizard rebooting by itself (second time ever, the first one was with the 1.6 ROM!) and, at reboot, started sending a list of alarms that i could not easily dismiss (since the system was in an early phase of reboot, no today screen available yet). i had to softreset a couple of times, after dismissal of the pending alarms it started to work correctly again.
I am reporting this in order to increase empirical understanding of the reasons why the standard alarm fails.
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Hi Elyl
Yes, stumbled into that in the end. My French is very poor
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That's why I translated it! See the attachment.
Maybe its just me but I cannot see any link to a translation?
I can see the link to the cab file and I can see the link to the web site but no document?
Robin
Hello all!
I wonder if its possible to have an alarm on the phone when turned of. Ive searched everywhere for some answers.
I want to shut down the phone at nights and I want the phone to start up and wake me up hehe
I just tried it 2 times , and it doesn't seem to work with klaxon.
Sorry mate i think you should keep it on if you don't want to be late tomorow
Its hilarious that a phone this new doesnt support that kind of alarm. All of my other phones works that way....
It's not a phone, it's a smartphone, pretty much a small PC...
So if you poweroff your desktop, usually not much it can do
That's the same, workaround is to use PlaneMode (along WirelessTime freeware in example)
This way, it wont be off at all..
Like for PDA, you usually never power off this kind of system. You put it in standby mode instead (either automatically or manually)
And the alarm works well with the HD is in stanby mode. It will wake up and ring.
Note that the usual phone are in some kind of standby mode, not fully powered off otherwise the alarm wouldn't work either !
you can switch off the phone part in standby mode and it will give you busy signal though reminders and alarms will work.
Hi, has someone developed a way to sound the alarm when the phone is off?? I saw somehere that you need to program the alarm in the BIOS.
I really hate to call these 'smartphones' when a basic phone would do that!! Alarm clocks are a passe anyways!
Flight mode is the way.
It is useless to switch off the phone...in flight mode the battery has almost no drains (1% at most).
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Hi, has someone developed a way to sound the alarm when the phone is off?? I saw somehere that you need to program the alarm in the BIOS.
I really hate to call these 'smartphones' when a basic phone would do that!! Alarm clocks are a passe anyways!
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That's because when you switch the phone off IT IS OFF.
A Nokia, say, doesn't switch off - it goes into flight mode and switches the screen off.
If you notice a Nokia phone loses battery power even when swithed off because in fact it is still on. That's why the alarms go off
Therefor: Switch to flightmode and turn the screen off = same result - but smarter !!!!
Why then there is a 'Flight mode' option in Nokia as well? Cant seem to understand this??
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Why then there is a 'Flight mode' option in Nokia as well? Cant seem to understand this??
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It's a feature Nokia added so people could turn the phone signals off manually in situations where it was unwanted. On planes for example.
You could try this
Ageye G-Alarm, is isn't free but claims to
"Save battery power overnight
Using the integrated flight mode you can turn off the phone and therefore minimize the battery drain until the next alarm. Afterwards G-Alarm automatically turns your phone on again."
Same thing, but might do it automatically, but its too much for me, I don't need all the functions so haven't tried it.
Thanks! But would not want to use two third party apps just for the alarm! Looks like I might need to get back to my old & trusted alarm clock or use my other Nokia phone!
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Thanks! But would not want to use two third party apps just for the alarm! Looks like I might need to get back to my old & trusted alarm clock or use my other Nokia phone!
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Which two 3rd party apps are involved in using flight mode? (by my count none are used)
You can even configure a long hold of the hang-up button to enable it if you want in button config...
P.
monilhathi said:
Why then there is a 'Flight mode' option in Nokia as well? Cant seem to understand this??
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In Flight mode, you can still use your phone in "off-line" mode, you can even use WiFi... so saying that turned off Nokia is actually still ON - only in flight mode - can only say someone who doesn't have a clue what is going on inside the phones. Turning Symbian phones OFF/ON means soft reset, does turning Flight mode ON/Off means soft reset in any phone? Of course not.
Take your laptop - there is power save mode, sleep mode and hibernation. But OS (say Windows) is still running, even it is on the lowest possible level, so a few external inputs (keyboard, mouse, modem), most of them you can specify in Bios, can bring the system from stanby or even hybernation mode. When you turn off your Nokia, operating system (Symbian and Maemo too) is completely off. But the internal clock chip is still running, althoug only on cca 1/100th of clock rate. When you turn phone off, the info from the alarm clock is written to this chip, telling him after how many those slow cycles he suppose to wake up (if there is anough power from the battery left). Would be easy to implement this to any phone hardware, HTC, Sony ... they'll just have to run something else than Win OS. So blame the Microsoft - but go easy on them - it's relict from the old ages of PDA, when Windows and phones were two totaly different things. Whatever I wrote is not a 100% accurate, but I was trying to make it simple and uderstandable. BTW any phone (HTC also) is loosing battery capacity when is OFF. Actually, take the battery out and it will still loosing power, after some time in even more (in hot and humid conditions) than when you leave it in the deep level stage inside the Nokia.
Is the N1 suffering the same fate as iphone?
Can't we have an alarm when the N1 is off??
Even with an app from the market?
I heard this is a hardware thing, unfortunately
Why would you ever want to do this.? The alarms still ring while the phone is on silent if what you're worried about is texts and other notifications waking you up.
It's a phone, not an alarm clock. It can't just play sounds without the whole system up and running, just like you can't expect your computer to do the same. The phone would need an alarm function built into the real-time clock, with the ability to both boot the phone when triggered and write some kind of command to memory telling Android that it needs to play your alarm as soon as it finishes booting. That'd be one fancy and expensive RTC, which is why we don't have it. None of that is going to be provided by an app.
Shouldn't be expensive to do it. Many of my family's old phones (sony ericsson feature phones, and a few S40 and S60 Nokia phones) can wake up when the phone is powered off when the alarm goes off. Blackberries can do this also.
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Shouldn't be expensive to do it. Many of my family's old phones (sony ericsson feature phones, and a few S40 and S60 Nokia phones) can wake up when the phone is powered off when the alarm goes off. Blackberries can do this also.
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Protip: That is because they aren't actually powered off. They're in more of a deep sleep.
Android is far more advanced then any of those phones. It's basically a computer. It IS running Linux after all. When you shut it down, it's like flipped the power on your surge protector. The computer can't magically power itself on when out you turning the power back on.
I heard that Nokia S60 phones and the N900 have a separate battery for its internal clock. But I could be wrong. Let me look it up... when I have time...
I am using airplane mode + Desire sleep clock now, it's the closest thing to what I wanted...cut off gsm radiation near my head when sleeping and battery economy
Can you post a pic or screen capture of what the Desire sleep clock looks like?
I noticed that when I boot up my mini and I don't insert my code, I can still use my phone. As in browsing through my emails, sms, foto's, files, etc.
The code's only function seems to be making the connection with a network.
Is this a flaw on htc's side or is something not right with my phone?
PIN protects only your phone line.
You could enable the device lock, I believe setting a time out of 0 minutes forces you to input your chosen password when you turn the phone on. This means you'll then have two passwords/PINs to enter each time you soft reset (assuming you keep your SIM's PIN enabled), but if you're concerned about privacy, it is an idea. You may also want to consider encrypting your microSD card.
Excuse me butting in to a non-familiar sub-forum, I was attempting to find the wiki page for this device, attempting to help someone buy their first smartphone.
yeah i tried that, but then it asks you for a code everytime you unlock our device as well and that becomes a pain very quickly
It's not that this bothers me that much, I just think it's strange the phone's protection is this weak
If it didn't ask you to enter the PIN when you unlock your device or use ActiveSync/Windows Mobile Device Centre, then your data would be at risk if the phone was stolen whilst it was turned on. I see where you're coming from (I've stopped using device lock for this very reason), however all the HTC devices I've owned have behaved this way, possible it is a Windows Mobile behaviour?
SilentlyScreaming said:
If it didn't ask you to enter the PIN when you unlock your device or use ActiveSync/Windows Mobile Device Centre, then your data would be at risk if the phone was stolen whilst it was turned on. I see where you're coming from (I've stopped using device lock for this very reason), however all the HTC devices I've owned have behaved this way, possible it is a Windows Mobile behaviour?
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Not a WinMo problem. This is specifically an HTC problem.
The WinMo locking feature is supposed to be able to set time criteria. For example, set it to 4 hours. When you boot up your phone, it goes to ask the password once. Then it won't be asking it anymore until you reboot your phone again, or until you didn't move your phone for straight 4 hours. You can set different number of hours for this effect.
All my other WinMo phones from 5.0 to 6.x does this thing perfectly. Only my first HTC unit, this HD mini, won't allow this simple feature to work correctly as intended. HTC somehow tweaked this basic WinMo feature, and broke it. So now, if you enable the lock feature, it ask for password each time you come out of standby, no matter what situation, no matter how long or short your phone was on standby. Very annoying. Making it useless.
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Not a WinMo problem. This is specifically an HTC problem.
The WinMo locking feature is supposed to be able to set time criteria. For example, set it to 4 hours. When you boot up your phone, it goes to ask the password once. Then it won't be asking it anymore until you reboot your phone again, or until you didn't move your phone for straight 4 hours. You can set different number of hours for this effect.
All my other WinMo phones from 5.0 to 6.x does this thing perfectly. Only my first HTC unit, this HD mini, won't allow this simple feature to work correctly as intended. HTC somehow tweaked this basic WinMo feature, and broke it. So now, if you enable the lock feature, it ask for password each time you come out of standby, no matter what situation, no matter how long or short your phone was on standby. Very annoying. Making it useless.
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Yeah sometimes you wonder how did they screw it up so much ?
I really think its better to build a Rom from scratch, I also miss the normal functioning windows start menu. They crippled so much... its almost pathetic...
HTC screwed up many of those simple and beautiful stock WinMo apps, features, and configurations. Not just this one.
I don't really get why they did this. Maybe to discourage you from using stock WinMo apps? Or maybe they're just plain dumb dumb and dumber?
Ah, now I understand the problem. Have you tried other locked apps? CHT's version / S2U2 etc. ?
I don't know exactly what you mean by using other apps, but if your question is if I can use apps or shells without entering my PIN my answer is yes.
If you were aiming at the unlock code popping up everytime I put my phone on standby, it's a hardware button so apps don't affect it I guess
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Yeah sometimes you wonder how did they screw it up so much ?
I really think its better to build a Rom from scratch, I also miss the normal functioning windows start menu. They crippled so much... its almost pathetic...
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you can still use the normal windows start menu, just disable sense in the settings
it makes your phone a hell of a lot faster and although it's not that spectacular to look at, it's much more functional than sense
i've been using spb mobile shell since a few weeks after i bought my mini and it's made my phone a lot nicer to use.